I agree. I'm not so sure that having the GRE become yet another service, slowing down the typical boot time even more, but I do agree that it should be separated.
The fact that you can't run Galeon or Epiphany without having a complete web browser installed is... sad to say the least.
And it will also keep package sizes to a minimum. While Windows users are used to having everything statically linked except for the libraries already included with Windows, it only makes sense on Linux to have them separate.
All you'd have to do is install the package for GRE, on which the Suite, Firefox, Galeon, etc. would all depend.
I'd like to see Gecko start rendering native widgets on platforms other than Windows (on which it has for a while).
I mean, XUL can already do it, so why not Gecko? Sure, it will be a big thing and lots of code will have to be rewritten, but a 2.0 version of such an important product needs to have some major changes done.
I'm very disappointed in Yahoo! Up till a couple of years ago, I always saw them as sort-of a platform neutral company. Even though they did it in an arguably "evil" way, I always appreciated that the vast majority of their games ran as Java applets, and were cross-platform. Recently though, I've noticed that they've begun to loosen that, which worries me.
And now they've confirmed my worries by releasing this: a mere copycat of Google's search tool. They seem to have copied it right to the very last detail; notably, no support for any OSes other than Windows. I know it would be more difficult, but it would not be impossible to write a Java-based tool that accomplishes the same thing on many OSes.
At this point, Yahoo! can't afford to be a copycat: they have to reach a market that its competitors are not.
...Real-live, talking, thinking computers! I for one do _not_ welcome our new MIT overlords... "I'm afraid I can't let you do that, MIT..." They must be stopped!
"Let's face it kids today are not going to write a video game to be proud of today like they could back in the Apple/64/Atari day."
I don't know about that -- with (unfortunately commercial) products such as The Games Factory, Multimedia Fusion, DarkBasic and Jamagic, some pretty impressive games can be made with relative ease.
"And remember, none of that time would be lived in frailty and debility and dependence - you would be youthful, both physically and mentally, right up to the day you mis-time the speed of that oncoming lorry."
All right! Does that mean I won't have to watch my life partner's breasts sag? Great sex could change the minds of the many non-believers out there.
Don't get me wrong, I love Konqueror dearly, but you're right. Its rendering doesn't seem to be as fast as Gecko's. But if and when Gecko rendering will be available in Konqi, I'll be sold. Yes, I know it _can_ be done, but I want to see it in a simple menu entry or something in Konqi.
...In a magical fairyland where people co-exist with dinosaurs and we live in gingerbread houses on lollipop lane!
Seriously though... this is a good question -- can the tortoise beat the hare? The answer is no. And I think we all know who the tortoise (read: slow) one is;-)
Well, when looking at the above list, I can't help but be frustrated. The majority of those things are already available. Let's go down the list item by item:
Windows Network Neighborhood visibility and UNIX/Linux visibility in the same panel.
Huh? What are these people using, FVWM? With Samba it's easy to set up a Windows network on a Linux box that can be viewed on both GNOME and KDE. In the same place as Windows shares. GNOME (and probably KDE, not sure) can even display different manual networks, such as FTP servers in its network place.
Active Directory password management which includes single sign-on and password expiration policies.
Can't comment on this, I'm not familiar with Active Directory.
Interoperability with Exchange 5.5 and Exchange 2000.
Am I completely crazy, or can't Ximian Connector & Evolution already do this?
Font compatibility with Microsoft Office and Openoffice.org and/or StarOffice.
Again, I ask the same question -- "huh?" -- if you want to use the Microsoft core fonts, install them! It's not that hard. It's not a fault of OpenOffice.org or StarOffice, it's just a case of the fonts that come on a Linux distro by default -- there's not Arial, Times New Roman, etc. because those are Microsoft fonts and Linux distributors can't distribute them. Might I ask a daring question: why don't Windows users install the Bitstream Vera fonts? I find it annoying that "Microsoft Office" doesn't have compatibility with "OpenOffice.org" (even though the office suites are not the problem in the first place).
Windows Terminal Server clients using RDP out of the box for home grown applications and special Windows applications.
Again, excuse my ignorance, but... what's wrong with VNC? Why not switch to an open solution?
Ability to click on a file in a Windows or Samba share and initiate the associated application.
I don't agree that that's the problem: KDE (and GNOME maybe, I'm not sure though) can open the desired application just like normal but it does it in an undesirable way, IMHO -- it doesn't open the file from where it is, it copies it to your home directory and opens it from there. I think that that should be improved.
Device management for hardware compatibility.
That's very vague. Do they mean a GUI? If so, what's wrong with distro-specific hardware GUIs such as YaST (which is very good IMHO). A universal distro-independent solution is not a good idea, as is exemplified by LinuxConf. If you want a GUI for hardware management, pick a distro that has one.
"India and China aren't currently producing the same amount of greenhouse gasses that USA and EU are currently producing."
Well if that's true, then I would argue that that's all the more reason for them to be included in the protocol. If we want this thing to get signed, the US has to be on its side, period.
If they're not producing the same amount of greenhouse gases than the USA or the EU, then adopting the Protocol should not be too big a deal for them, and they should be able to handle it.
Well, I would definitely recommend compiling support for CPU Frequency Scaling in the 2.6.x kernel then. After that, you can install a daemon such as powernowd (don't be fooled by the name, it works for any cpufreq-enabled computer).
That way, you can have the cpu speed quite low when doing idle tasks such as light web browsing or listening to music. When you're compiling something, the cpu speed will be kicked into gear (and your battery will be drained like mad). On my laptop, I find that I can get 2 to 3x more battery life on Linux w/ cpufreq/powernowd than on Windows.
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I pronounce it "Zoo-Zuh"
I think it would be a very wise idea for Novell to either create their own standard theme that makes GTK and Qt look the same by default, or standardize on theme that already has GTK and Qt versions, such as Keramik/Geramik, Thin-Keramik/Thin-Geramik, or Qinx/QNX.
But Novell, I'm begging you, don't create Bluecurve ][. Making them look the same is fine, but making them feel and work the same totally defeats the purpose of supporting two environments.
Rather, what I would fully support, would be a single standard desktop with elements of both KDE and GNOME, as they have talked about in the past. As people have stated already, don't place too much burden on the user, especially considering the target audience here. We've got PHBs making the decisions here, and they're just going to want a desktop that works, and won't give a damn about KDE vs. GNOME, KHTML vs. Gecko, GNOME Office vs. KOffice vs. OpenOffice.org, etc.
I think the problem with Macs isn't the machines themselves, or even the OS and how it functions. The problem is perceived lack of applications, as well as cost. People seem to think that they won't be able to continue using the programs they use every day by switching to a Mac.
And cost is a big factor too... a top-of-the-line Mac costs more than a comparable PC (or even one with more overall power).
It may be true that Windows XP is much more stable and in some cases, secure, than its 9X predecessors. However, I have found that 99% of the problems that occur with Windows machines are due to spyware and viruses that have plagued the machine.
Merely switching to XP is not enough. As a relatively proficient user, if I were to set up a Windows machine for a friend or family member, for instance, I would make sure a virus scanner was available, along with a spyware scanner and tell them to run the spyware scanner once a week. I would also replace Internet Explorer with Firefox, or maybe Mozilla Application Suite.
The point is, Windows may be more stable out of the box than it used to be, but it is still susceptible to the exact same problems that its predecessors were, mainly due to flaws in IE and other MS programs such as Outlook.
.. whether or not Mozilla (most likely pressured by AOL) starts to bundle this extension with their browser distro.
Um... how does that work? The Mozilla Foundation has been around for quite some time, and has long since been freed completely from the shackles of AOL.
And you know what? If they did start to bundle the extension, I'd just remember that Mozilla is Free Software, and I'd fork an earlier version of Mozilla that wouldn't contain the ads, and start my own project -- and I'm sure I'd have lots of developers on my side. I mean, take a look at what happened with XFree86.
Trust me, you needn't worry about stuff like this when the open source community is involved.
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I agree. I'm not so sure that having the GRE become yet another service, slowing down the typical boot time even more, but I do agree that it should be separated.
The fact that you can't run Galeon or Epiphany without having a complete web browser installed is... sad to say the least.
And it will also keep package sizes to a minimum. While Windows users are used to having everything statically linked except for the libraries already included with Windows, it only makes sense on Linux to have them separate.
All you'd have to do is install the package for GRE, on which the Suite, Firefox, Galeon, etc. would all depend.
I'd like to see Gecko start rendering native widgets on platforms other than Windows (on which it has for a while).
I mean, XUL can already do it, so why not Gecko? Sure, it will be a big thing and lots of code will have to be rewritten, but a 2.0 version of such an important product needs to have some major changes done.
I'm very disappointed in Yahoo! Up till a couple of years ago, I always saw them as sort-of a platform neutral company. Even though they did it in an arguably "evil" way, I always appreciated that the vast majority of their games ran as Java applets, and were cross-platform. Recently though, I've noticed that they've begun to loosen that, which worries me.
And now they've confirmed my worries by releasing this: a mere copycat of Google's search tool. They seem to have copied it right to the very last detail; notably, no support for any OSes other than Windows. I know it would be more difficult, but it would not be impossible to write a Java-based tool that accomplishes the same thing on many OSes.
At this point, Yahoo! can't afford to be a copycat: they have to reach a market that its competitors are not.
...Real-live, talking, thinking computers! I for one do _not_ welcome our new MIT overlords... "I'm afraid I can't let you do that, MIT..." They must be stopped!
"Let's face it kids today are not going to write a video game to be proud of today like they could back in the Apple/64/Atari day."
I don't know about that -- with (unfortunately commercial) products such as The Games Factory, Multimedia Fusion, DarkBasic and Jamagic, some pretty impressive games can be made with relative ease.
It doesn't crash my Konqueror either. I'm not using CVS though, I'm using 3.3.2, the current stable!
"And remember, none of that time would be lived in frailty and debility and dependence - you would be youthful, both physically and mentally, right up to the day you mis-time the speed of that oncoming lorry."
All right! Does that mean I won't have to watch my life partner's breasts sag? Great sex could change the minds of the many non-believers out there.
Don't get me wrong, I love Konqueror dearly, but you're right. Its rendering doesn't seem to be as fast as Gecko's. But if and when Gecko rendering will be available in Konqi, I'll be sold. Yes, I know it _can_ be done, but I want to see it in a simple menu entry or something in Konqi.
"Have not yet found a lightweight, fast VT that can copy & paste into other apps"
Huh? Just hilight the text and middle-click into the app you want to paste the text in.
I think we all know what OS _that_ server runs!
...In a magical fairyland where people co-exist with dinosaurs and we live in gingerbread houses on lollipop lane!
;-)
Seriously though... this is a good question -- can the tortoise beat the hare? The answer is no. And I think we all know who the tortoise (read: slow) one is
Well, when looking at the above list, I can't help but be frustrated. The majority of those things are already available. Let's go down the list item by item:
Windows Network Neighborhood visibility and UNIX/Linux visibility in the same panel.
Huh? What are these people using, FVWM? With Samba it's easy to set up a Windows network on a Linux box that can be viewed on both GNOME and KDE. In the same place as Windows shares. GNOME (and probably KDE, not sure) can even display different manual networks, such as FTP servers in its network place.
Active Directory password management which includes single sign-on and password expiration policies.
Can't comment on this, I'm not familiar with Active Directory.
Interoperability with Exchange 5.5 and Exchange 2000.
Am I completely crazy, or can't Ximian Connector & Evolution already do this?
Font compatibility with Microsoft Office and Openoffice.org and/or StarOffice.
Again, I ask the same question -- "huh?" -- if you want to use the Microsoft core fonts, install them! It's not that hard. It's not a fault of OpenOffice.org or StarOffice, it's just a case of the fonts that come on a Linux distro by default -- there's not Arial, Times New Roman, etc. because those are Microsoft fonts and Linux distributors can't distribute them. Might I ask a daring question: why don't Windows users install the Bitstream Vera fonts? I find it annoying that "Microsoft Office" doesn't have compatibility with "OpenOffice.org" (even though the office suites are not the problem in the first place).
Windows Terminal Server clients using RDP out of the box for home grown applications and special Windows applications.
Again, excuse my ignorance, but ... what's wrong with VNC? Why not switch to an open solution?
Ability to click on a file in a Windows or Samba share and initiate the associated application.
I don't agree that that's the problem: KDE (and GNOME maybe, I'm not sure though) can open the desired application just like normal but it does it in an undesirable way, IMHO -- it doesn't open the file from where it is, it copies it to your home directory and opens it from there. I think that that should be improved.
Device management for hardware compatibility.
That's very vague. Do they mean a GUI? If so, what's wrong with distro-specific hardware GUIs such as YaST (which is very good IMHO). A universal distro-independent solution is not a good idea, as is exemplified by LinuxConf. If you want a GUI for hardware management, pick a distro that has one.
Compatible Windows Media player Codecs.
That's the dumbest one yet, and the answer's right here: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
So GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2.2 are "proper"... Interesting.
"India and China aren't currently producing the same amount of greenhouse gasses that USA and EU are currently producing."
Well if that's true, then I would argue that that's all the more reason for them to be included in the protocol. If we want this thing to get signed, the US has to be on its side, period.
If they're not producing the same amount of greenhouse gases than the USA or the EU, then adopting the Protocol should not be too big a deal for them, and they should be able to handle it.
Well, I would definitely recommend compiling support for CPU Frequency Scaling in the 2.6.x kernel then. After that, you can install a daemon such as powernowd (don't be fooled by the name, it works for any cpufreq-enabled computer).
That way, you can have the cpu speed quite low when doing idle tasks such as light web browsing or listening to music. When you're compiling something, the cpu speed will be kicked into gear (and your battery will be drained like mad). On my laptop, I find that I can get 2 to 3x more battery life on Linux w/ cpufreq/powernowd than on Windows.
Firebird 0.8? No such thing.
In other news, Microsoft announced today that all of their intellectual property will, from now on, be fully licensed under the GPL.
I pronounce it "Zoo-Zuh" I think it would be a very wise idea for Novell to either create their own standard theme that makes GTK and Qt look the same by default, or standardize on theme that already has GTK and Qt versions, such as Keramik/Geramik, Thin-Keramik/Thin-Geramik, or Qinx/QNX. But Novell, I'm begging you, don't create Bluecurve ][. Making them look the same is fine, but making them feel and work the same totally defeats the purpose of supporting two environments. Rather, what I would fully support, would be a single standard desktop with elements of both KDE and GNOME, as they have talked about in the past. As people have stated already, don't place too much burden on the user, especially considering the target audience here. We've got PHBs making the decisions here, and they're just going to want a desktop that works, and won't give a damn about KDE vs. GNOME, KHTML vs. Gecko, GNOME Office vs. KOffice vs. OpenOffice.org, etc.
Sorry, but Yahoo! Avatars is a MSIE-only service, something I will _not_ support in any way.
Pfft, yeah... and you know what else? He said he was writing his article using Word. He calls himself an average nerd?
I think the problem with Macs isn't the machines themselves, or even the OS and how it functions. The problem is perceived lack of applications, as well as cost. People seem to think that they won't be able to continue using the programs they use every day by switching to a Mac. And cost is a big factor too... a top-of-the-line Mac costs more than a comparable PC (or even one with more overall power).
It may be true that Windows XP is much more stable and in some cases, secure, than its 9X predecessors. However, I have found that 99% of the problems that occur with Windows machines are due to spyware and viruses that have plagued the machine.
Merely switching to XP is not enough. As a relatively proficient user, if I were to set up a Windows machine for a friend or family member, for instance, I would make sure a virus scanner was available, along with a spyware scanner and tell them to run the spyware scanner once a week. I would also replace Internet Explorer with Firefox, or maybe Mozilla Application Suite.
The point is, Windows may be more stable out of the box than it used to be, but it is still susceptible to the exact same problems that its predecessors were, mainly due to flaws in IE and other MS programs such as Outlook.
Um... how does that work? The Mozilla Foundation has been around for quite some time, and has long since been freed completely from the shackles of AOL.
And you know what? If they did start to bundle the extension, I'd just remember that Mozilla is Free Software, and I'd fork an earlier version of Mozilla that wouldn't contain the ads, and start my own project -- and I'm sure I'd have lots of developers on my side. I mean, take a look at what happened with XFree86.
Trust me, you needn't worry about stuff like this when the open source community is involved.
*swipes one of the cards from the middle of the stack and puts it at the beginning* heh heh...
Yeah but it's being displayed on IE... so it kinda balances out. I find this computer neutrally cool.