"Blame the people who are actually responsible for the insecurity. Not the ones who are taking advantage of it."
Skip the false dichotomy and embrace the power of 'and'. Just because somebody sold me a crappy lock doesn't absolve a person who breaks into my house of responsibility for his or her choice to do so. We don't have to pick just one to hold accountable.
I would recommend that anyone, before reaching conclusions about what occurred, read Haught's open letter to Coyne (which really should have been linked from TFA) and, of course, watch the video.
So how do I get a trial version of their software to learn on and update my skills?
Take any Red Hat training course. Comes with a full copy of RHEL ES and a reg code that gives you 30 days of free access to the Red Hat Network. You can get eval copies under other circumstances as well, but I don't know what they all are. I suggest asking a Red Hat rep about it.
I really hope there's more to it than that. I mean, I realize that google isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but having any single search engine be the mandatory primary interface for the web, to the exclusion of even being able to type in urls directly seems insane to me.
It's not as pretty as the java-based app that another respondant linked to, but it works non-interactively from the command line. I just download all my.emp files to directory and then run a shell script that executes:
for i in *.emp ; do decrypt-emp.pl $i ; done
and then executes some scripts I wrote (note: I did not write decrypt-emp.pl and take no credit for it) that sync the music up with my player and rebuild my playlists.
While it's true that Fedora is a proving ground for new technologies, it's a mistake to say that it is in "perpetual beta". Rawhide, the development branch of Fedora, is in perpetual beta. Fedora Core is the stable branch of Rawhide. If it's not stable then something is wrong. So while on the one hand Fedora is not intended to be enterprise-grade and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the GP, on the other it does have its own test process and its own devel/stable release cycle.
Also, Fedora doesn't have point releases because point releases are old-fashioned. There's no need to wait for bug fixes to accumulate before making them available anymore because tools like Yum can be used to make them available immediately. New features are added every six months or so in a new major version, but it serves the same purpose as what used to be called a point release. The only difference is in the numbers.
No. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, Linux is not. Microsoft cannot bundle everything because it has a monopoly, Linux can because it doesn't.
I wouldn't even put it that way. I think that if Microsoft made deals with external developers to bundle OpenOffice, FireFox or even commercial, closed-source software there'd be no problem.
It wasn't "including lots of software" that got them into trouble, it was using their OS to give a competitive advantage to their other software ventures, along with a number of other monopolistic tactics that they used to strongarm the market (like threatening to not allow a hardware vendor to ship with Windows if they offered customers the option of another OS), that got them into trouble.
The attitude toward bundling software with Windows vs Linux is not a double-standard because we're talking about two completely different strategies with completely different motives behind them.
Here are some of my thoughts that I wrote in another venue after seeing EpIII opening night. I'm all ears if anyone wants to talk me out of my opinion, though....
I was really very, very surprised to see how many people liked RoTS. Personally, it goes at the bottom of the Star Wars list for me (though, admittedly I've never seen the Christmas Special). Here's a bit on why I feel that way:
With the same major events and the same cast I think it could have been a great movie, but the writing... the writing sucked. And the writing (and editing... again) killed it. I've heard a lot of people complain about the acting, but really I don't think it was the cast's fault at all. I don't think anyone could have done better with the what they were given.
I agree with ferrett that the way Sidious lures Anakin over has good elements, but even so there just wasn't enough there to explain Anakin's transition internally. There has to be more than "I really really love you and I don't want you to die" to make the transition to "I would kill children (err, sorry, 'younglings'.. wtf?) for you" believable and I just didn't see it. And no, one fit of rage in exacting vengance for your mother's rape/murder does not qualify you for the wholesale massacre business.
And then there was the dialogue. Not only was a vital element of character development missing, but the rest of the movie was just klunkily executed. I felt like RoTS alternated between grand, elaborate battle sequences that were so grand and so elaborate that after the 40th minute they just got dull and "exposition" scenes that beat the audience over the head with dialogue a middle schooler could have written. The acting looked bad because they weren't allowed to act. There was _no_ subtext in the whole thing, just lots and lots of TEXT.
And this complaint is not limited to the worse-than-AoTC "romance" scenes:
Yoda talking like an action hero? If dialogue like "Not if anything to say about it I have"??? had shown up in a Star Wars parody I would have laughed at how amusingly out of place it was, but here he is in the climax of the film! He might as well have said "kick your ass, I will" like in all the icons.
Oh and another example of TEXT, did anybody catch that extremely subtle nod to Frankenstein in Vader's "rebirth" scene? It was easy to miss... if you were a blind monkey with multiple advanced degrees in not getting things. But as if that wasn't bad enough, here we have the crux of the entire series, arguably the most important moment in all six movies, where the last of Anakin dies and Darth Vader is truly born and how is it expressed? "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!". The ultimate cliche'. Bloody hell, I have no words.
And then there's things like Padme being diagnosed by a medical droid with having lost the will to live. Like we weren't expected to get even THAT all by ourselves? The reason this movie goes to the bottom of the barrel for me is that while Phantom Menace was bad, at least I didn't feel constantly insulted while watching it.
So yeah, those're my $0.02. As far as I'm concerned, IV-VI are Star Wars. The rest are just Fanfics that Lucas wrote....oh, and did General Grievous sound *exactly* like Dark Helmet to anyone else?
Excuse me, this is nothing personal against the parent poster but I really have to vent here:
I am so sick of people getting all up-in-arms about this "support lifespan" stuff.
Red Hat offers official support for two versions of the core OS. So when FC3 comes out Red Hat will stop providing updates for FC1.
This is NOT the same as it becoming usupported! It just means that there is no longer a for-proffit company donating its time to provide the updates. Instead, the provision of updates is handed back to the community *just like 90% of the other distros out there*.
Seriously, if I hear one more idiot saying "Red Hat doesn't support Fedora long enough. I'm moving to Gentoo/Debian/whatever" I'm going to explode. The only difference between Fedora and those distros in terms of support is that Fedora enjoys a good year or so under Red Hat's umbrella before becoming community-supported just like them.
See http://www.fedoralegacy.org for more info. As long as there is a community to support it, Fedora is as supported as 90% of the other distros out there.
One thing to note before rushing out to grab this thing: Picasa requires a mailing address and CC number to create an account (haven't looked into what the CC number is for, but I'm guessing the software is free but the service isn't). Since the address is no doubt meant to be a billing addr for the CC then you may not be able to just enter bogus values and according to their privacy policy they explicitly reserve the right to spam you (paper and electronic) and to sell your data to others. You can unsubscribe (link is in the priv policy) but it's strictly opt-out.
I'm a little disapointed in this as, despite all the hoopla about gmail and such, Google is usually good about at least not spamming and/or sharing the data they collect.
On that note, one more point: there've already been a couple of threads about Google/Gmail and the privacy armeggedon that some still seem to think they represent. I'd be interested in getting feedback on this piece that I wrote on the subject. Thanks.
Umm.. Compiling an app from source will NOT break an RH system unless you do something dumb, like write over a library or something that other installed apps are using. Other than that it has absolutely no affect other than wasting your time and making it more difficult to uninstall, handle dependancies, etc.
Still working on a couple of issues at the moment. Most notably speed. I haven't made a big deal about it yet because I'm not convinced it will be able to handle the masses banging on it yet.
But thanks for noticing. Please send any bugs/feedback you find to the brads@fedoratracker.org and hopefully it will be ready for the big announcement soon.=:)
Basically (and this is all explained in the follow-ups to the referenced post and elsewhere in that thread) there are people at RH who are working on setting up community CVS access but getting the machine, the space, the access and devising policies to prevent stuff that could get RH in trouble from being committed, etc is taking a frustratingly long time.
By way of disclaimer, I am an "RH person", but I don't have anything to do with the Fedora and am no more or less informed on the matter than any other reader of Fedora-devel, but here's the short version as I understand it:
The IRC log is funny and probably accurate, but it doesn't give credit to the people at Red Hat who really are trying to make community involvement feasable and doesn't take into account all of the extra red tape (much of it nescessary) involved in doing this within a corporate structure.
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. The only argument I can think of against this would be that the benefits to security are outweighed by the difficulty of deployment. Every client for every supported platform now has to be tweaked to support this "knocking". There's also user education, figuring out a secure way to inform clients of new knock sequences, etc.
Then again, the same thing could be said for kerberos.
There is actual, real, measurable expense involved in having to change ISPs, move colos, etc as well!
Using SPEWS is like controlling immigration by blowing up every boat that might be carrying an illegal before it gets to the harbor. It's just stupid.
WHY NOT leave it to the ISPs to filter the spam that gets onto their network. Don't tell me filtering doesn't work, I use Yahoo's friggin web-based email and while I get 60 or so spams a day it ALL ends up automatically filtered into my bulk mail folder, which I then get to glance through before clicking the 'empty' button. Iif Yahoo can do it, any other ISP ought to be able to as well. And if it increases their costs, DUH. That's what you do as an Internet Service Provider. You provide internet services like autofiltering spam when it becomes a nescessity. If I don't like how well my ISP does that, THEN I leave. I should NEVER have to leave my ISP because some asshat admin at my upstream decides they don't like the way a friend's ISP does business. Period.
On a related note, while sure it's not a "god-given right" for me to send and recieve email. It sure as hell oughtn't be YOUR right, god-given or otherwise to decide from whom I may recieve it!
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I was just checking to see if anyone else had commented on that. Yeah. Freaked the hell out of me at first because I just saw it out of the corner of my eye.
Wait.. sponsored by HP? Wasn't HP just saying that they would offer indemnity to its Linux users? Weren't they on our side?
I seem to remember some people wondering whether or not HP was able to indemnify against SCO because they were the mystery company who'd bought the runtime licence.
GNU parted will do something similar to Ghost. Read the section of `info parted` called "disk imaging".
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SSH isn't turned on, the RHN agent isn't there with me wondering how it got there when I wanted a streamlined system. Those bloated distros are there only to confuse the n00b.
Umm.. you just listed the *only* two services that are on by default. That's too much?
service sshd stop; chkconfig sshd off service rhnsd stop; chkconfig rhnsd off
emerge xfree emerge mozilla
1) up2date XFree86; up2date mozilla (or, as another pointed out, use apt-get or yum if you're squeemish about registering for rhn) 2)..Oh, wait, they're already installed if (and only if) you choose them during the install. 3)..And if I do install things manually after the fact (did you notice the 'minimal' install option, by the way?)... "only" three hours???? Get real. 4) And how on earth is manually installing (not even installing, *compiling*) everything beyond the base system supposed to make things easier on the n00b??
Don't get me wrong, I think gentoo has some really cool ideas, but saying that emerging a system from a base install is better for new users or that Red Hat mandates a 'bloated' install is ridiculous.
I second that, mostly. I've been thinking about doing a review of it here, actually.
Basically, my only gripe about it is the case studies, which were one of the reasons that I bought it. They're all what he and his buddies did during the 70s to academic systems that they already had physical access to. Duh. Oh, that and him using a 'case study' to bitch about MCI.
He's also the first person I've ever read advocating the use of active blocking software, though he makes a good case for his (pretty kludgey) own system.
Anyway, yeah. It's a pretty good book. Worth reading through for any tips one might have missed, but probably not a replacement for something more thorough like the ORA guide (not that I'm assuming you suggested that).
It's probably too late for this to get read by anyone, but that is absolutely false.
The RH Community editions' version numbers will stop at.0 because from there on you use up2date (free or paid for) to install updates and bugfixes without having to wait for the next release or for bug fixes to be updated automatically. Heck, you can even automate the installation of updates or push them out via a web interface.
It's an excellent idea, much akin to what people are so happy with in Debian, but it's being grossly misunderstood.
The latest version will be more bleeding-edge (exactly what people are always clamoring for in distributions), but outside of an enterprise context, that hardly equates to 'unstable'. It's not like RH doesn't have a QA department (or bugzilla or public beta testing or bugzilla.redhat.com or the affore mentioned easy-access updates...)
Someone please explain how a VOIP service is supposed to work /without/ a table associating numbers with UUIDs, software versions, etc? *eyeroll*
"Blame the people who are actually responsible for the insecurity. Not the ones who are taking advantage of it."
Skip the false dichotomy and embrace the power of 'and'. Just because somebody sold me a crappy lock doesn't absolve a person who breaks into my house of responsibility for his or her choice to do so. We don't have to pick just one to hold accountable.
I would recommend that anyone, before reaching conclusions about what occurred, read Haught's open letter to Coyne (which really should have been linked from TFA) and, of course, watch the video.
I love that I'm not the only one who knew exactly which office was being referred to. :)
So how do I get a trial version of their software to learn on and update my skills?
Take any Red Hat training course. Comes with a full copy of RHEL ES and a reg code that gives you 30 days of free access to the Red Hat Network. You can get eval copies under other circumstances as well, but I don't know what they all are. I suggest asking a Red Hat rep about it.
--Brad
From TFV:
"Note that there is no url bar" (in the browser)
I really hope there's more to it than that. I mean, I realize that google isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but having any single search engine be the mandatory primary interface for the web, to the exclusion of even being able to type in urls directly seems insane to me.
<marge>Hrmmm....</marge>
I use this perl script.
.emp files to directory and then run a shell script that executes:
It's not as pretty as the java-based app that another respondant linked to, but it works non-interactively from the command line. I just download all my
for i in *.emp ; do decrypt-emp.pl $i ; done
and then executes some scripts I wrote (note: I did not write decrypt-emp.pl and take no credit for it) that sync the music up with my player and rebuild my playlists.
While it's true that Fedora is a proving ground for new technologies, it's a mistake to say that it is in "perpetual beta". Rawhide, the development branch of Fedora, is in perpetual beta. Fedora Core is the stable branch of Rawhide. If it's not stable then something is wrong. So while on the one hand Fedora is not intended to be enterprise-grade and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the GP, on the other it does have its own test process and its own devel/stable release cycle.
Also, Fedora doesn't have point releases because point releases are old-fashioned. There's no need to wait for bug fixes to accumulate before making them available anymore because tools like Yum can be used to make them available immediately. New features are added every six months or so in a new major version, but it serves the same purpose as what used to be called a point release. The only difference is in the numbers.
No. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, Linux is not. Microsoft cannot bundle everything because it has a monopoly, Linux can because it doesn't.
I wouldn't even put it that way. I think that if Microsoft made deals with external developers to bundle OpenOffice, FireFox or even commercial, closed-source software there'd be no problem.
It wasn't "including lots of software" that got them into trouble, it was using their OS to give a competitive advantage to their other software ventures, along with a number of other monopolistic tactics that they used to strongarm the market (like threatening to not allow a hardware vendor to ship with Windows if they offered customers the option of another OS), that got them into trouble.
The attitude toward bundling software with Windows vs Linux is not a double-standard because we're talking about two completely different strategies with completely different motives behind them.
Here are some of my thoughts that I wrote in another venue after seeing EpIII opening night. I'm all ears if anyone wants to talk me out of my opinion, though....
...oh, and did General Grievous sound *exactly* like Dark Helmet to anyone else?
I was really very, very surprised to see how many people liked RoTS. Personally, it goes at the bottom of the Star Wars list for me (though, admittedly I've never seen the Christmas Special). Here's a bit on why I feel that way:
With the same major events and the same cast I think it could have been a great movie, but the writing... the writing sucked. And the writing (and editing... again) killed it. I've heard a lot of people complain about the acting, but really I don't think it was the cast's fault at all. I don't think anyone could have done better with the what they were given.
I agree with ferrett that the way Sidious lures Anakin over has good elements, but even so there just wasn't enough there to explain Anakin's transition internally. There has to be more than "I really really love you and I don't want you to die" to make the transition to "I would kill children (err, sorry, 'younglings'.. wtf?) for you" believable and I just didn't see it. And no, one fit of rage in exacting vengance for your mother's rape/murder does not qualify you for the wholesale massacre business.
And then there was the dialogue. Not only was a vital element of character development missing, but the rest of the movie was just klunkily executed. I felt like RoTS alternated between grand, elaborate battle sequences that were so grand and so elaborate that after the 40th minute they just got dull and "exposition" scenes that beat the audience over the head with dialogue a middle schooler could have written. The acting looked bad because they weren't allowed to act. There was _no_ subtext in the whole thing, just lots and lots of TEXT.
And this complaint is not limited to the worse-than-AoTC "romance" scenes:
Yoda talking like an action hero? If dialogue like "Not if anything to say about it I have"??? had shown up in a Star Wars parody I would have laughed at how amusingly out of place it was, but here he is in the climax of the film! He might as well have said "kick your ass, I will" like in all the icons.
Oh and another example of TEXT, did anybody catch that extremely subtle nod to Frankenstein in Vader's "rebirth" scene? It was easy to miss... if you were a blind monkey with multiple advanced degrees in not getting things. But as if that wasn't bad enough, here we have the crux of the entire series, arguably the most important moment in all six movies, where the last of Anakin dies and Darth Vader is truly born and how is it expressed? "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!". The ultimate cliche'. Bloody hell, I have no words.
And then there's things like Padme being diagnosed by a medical droid with having lost the will to live. Like we weren't expected to get even THAT all by ourselves? The reason this movie goes to the bottom of the barrel for me is that while Phantom Menace was bad, at least I didn't feel constantly insulted while watching it.
So yeah, those're my $0.02. As far as I'm concerned, IV-VI are Star Wars. The rest are just Fanfics that Lucas wrote.
Excuse me, this is nothing personal against the parent poster but I really have to vent here:
I am so sick of people getting all up-in-arms about this "support lifespan" stuff.
Red Hat offers official support for two versions of the core OS. So when FC3 comes out Red Hat will stop providing updates for FC1.
This is NOT the same as it becoming usupported! It just means that there is no longer a for-proffit company donating its time to provide the updates. Instead, the provision of updates is handed back to the community *just like 90% of the other distros out there*.
Seriously, if I hear one more idiot saying "Red Hat doesn't support Fedora long enough. I'm moving to Gentoo/Debian/whatever" I'm going to explode. The only difference between Fedora and those distros in terms of support is that Fedora enjoys a good year or so under Red Hat's umbrella before becoming community-supported just like them.
See http://www.fedoralegacy.org for more info. As long as there is a community to support it, Fedora is as supported as 90% of the other distros out there.
One thing to note before rushing out to grab this thing: Picasa requires a mailing address and CC number to create an account (haven't looked into what the CC number is for, but I'm guessing the software is free but the service isn't). Since the address is no doubt meant to be a billing addr for the CC then you may not be able to just enter bogus values and according to their privacy policy they explicitly reserve the right to spam you (paper and electronic) and to sell your data to others. You can unsubscribe (link is in the priv policy) but it's strictly opt-out.
I'm a little disapointed in this as, despite all the hoopla about gmail and such, Google is usually good about at least not spamming and/or sharing the data they collect.
On that note, one more point: there've already been a couple of threads about Google/Gmail and the privacy armeggedon that some still seem to think they represent. I'd be interested in getting feedback on this piece that I wrote on the subject. Thanks.
Umm.. Compiling an app from source will NOT break an RH system unless you do something dumb, like write over a library or something that other installed apps are using. Other than that it has absolutely no affect other than wasting your time and making it more difficult to uninstall, handle dependancies, etc.
Still working on a couple of issues at the moment. Most notably speed. I haven't made a big deal about it yet because I'm not convinced it will be able to handle the masses banging on it yet.
But thanks for noticing. Please send any bugs/feedback you find to the brads@fedoratracker.org and hopefully it will be ready for the big announcement soon.=:)
Basically (and this is all explained in the follow-ups to the referenced post and elsewhere in that thread) there are people at RH who are working on setting up community CVS access but getting the machine, the space, the access and devising policies to prevent stuff that could get RH in trouble from being committed, etc is taking a frustratingly long time.
By way of disclaimer, I am an "RH person", but I don't have anything to do with the Fedora and am no more or less informed on the matter than any other reader of Fedora-devel, but here's the short version as I understand it:
The IRC log is funny and probably accurate, but it doesn't give credit to the people at Red Hat who really are trying to make community involvement feasable and doesn't take into account all of the extra red tape (much of it nescessary) involved in doing this within a corporate structure.
The price listed for the "extension pack" is $3500/yr for 50 machines:
3500 / 50 = $70 per machine per year
70 / 12 = $5.80 per machine per month
So that's about $6/mo ($70/year) for a year of software updates plus 30 days phone support and a year of web support with escalation.
Compare that to the old RH9 plan where $60/year got you a year of software updates and no (iirc) support.
In other words, the support stuff is built in to the $5/mo figure quoted. But there are other
levels of support that can also be purchased.
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. The only argument I can think of against this would be that the benefits to security are outweighed by the difficulty of deployment. Every client for every supported platform now has to be tweaked to support this "knocking". There's also user education, figuring out a secure way to inform clients of new knock sequences, etc.
Then again, the same thing could be said for kerberos.
There is actual, real, measurable expense involved in having to change ISPs, move colos, etc as well!
Using SPEWS is like controlling immigration by blowing up every boat that might be carrying an illegal before it gets to the harbor. It's just stupid.
WHY NOT leave it to the ISPs to filter the spam that gets onto their network. Don't tell me filtering doesn't work, I use Yahoo's friggin web-based email and while I get 60 or so spams a day it ALL ends up automatically filtered into my bulk mail folder, which I then get to glance through before clicking the 'empty' button. Iif Yahoo can do it, any other ISP ought to be able to as well. And if it increases their costs, DUH. That's what you do as an Internet Service Provider. You provide internet services like autofiltering spam when it becomes a nescessity. If I don't like how well my ISP does that, THEN I leave. I should NEVER have to leave my ISP because some asshat admin at my upstream decides they don't like the way a friend's ISP does business. Period.
On a related note, while sure it's not a "god-given right" for me to send and recieve email. It sure as hell oughtn't be YOUR right, god-given or otherwise to decide from whom I may recieve it!
I was just checking to see if anyone else had commented on that. Yeah. Freaked the hell out of me at first because I just saw it out of the corner of my eye.
Wait.. sponsored by HP? Wasn't HP just saying that they would offer
indemnity to its Linux users? Weren't they on our side?
I seem to remember some people wondering whether or not HP was able to indemnify against SCO because they were the mystery company who'd bought the runtime licence.
Suspicion... rising...
Anyone have more information??
GNU parted will do something similar to Ghost. Read the section of `info parted` called "disk imaging".
Ok, I'll bite:
..Oh, wait, they're already installed if (and only if) you choose them during the install. ..And if I do install things manually after the fact (did you notice the 'minimal' install option, by the way?)... "only" three hours???? Get real.
SSH isn't turned on, the RHN agent isn't there with me wondering how it got there when I wanted a streamlined system. Those bloated distros are there only to confuse the n00b.
Umm.. you just listed the *only* two services that are on by default. That's too much?
service sshd stop; chkconfig sshd off
service rhnsd stop; chkconfig rhnsd off
emerge xfree
emerge mozilla
1) up2date XFree86; up2date mozilla (or, as another pointed out, use apt-get or yum if you're squeemish about registering for rhn)
2)
3)
4) And how on earth is manually installing (not even installing, *compiling*) everything beyond the base system supposed to make things easier on the n00b??
Don't get me wrong, I think gentoo has some really cool ideas, but saying that emerging a system from a base install is better for new users or that Red Hat mandates a 'bloated' install is ridiculous.
I second that, mostly. I've been thinking about doing a review of it here, actually.
Basically, my only gripe about it is the case studies, which were one of the reasons that I bought it. They're all what he and his buddies did during the 70s to academic systems that they already had physical access to. Duh. Oh, that and him using a 'case study' to bitch about MCI.
He's also the first person I've ever read advocating the use of active blocking software, though he makes a good case for his (pretty kludgey) own system.
Anyway, yeah. It's a pretty good book. Worth reading through for any tips one might have missed, but probably not a replacement for something more thorough like the ORA guide (not that I'm assuming you suggested that).
Err...
s/or for bug fixes to be updated automatically//
in other words, ignore that phrase. Forgot to delete it when I edited. =:\
Oh, and I mentioned bugzilla twice... whatever. Remind me never to post first thing in the morning...
It's probably too late for this to get read by anyone, but that is absolutely false.
.0 because from there on you use up2date (free or paid for) to install updates and bugfixes without having to wait for the next release or for bug fixes to be updated automatically. Heck, you can even automate the installation of updates or push them out via a web interface.
The RH Community editions' version numbers will stop at
It's an excellent idea, much akin to what people are so happy with in Debian, but it's being grossly misunderstood.
The latest version will be more bleeding-edge (exactly what people are always clamoring for in distributions), but outside of an enterprise context, that hardly equates to 'unstable'. It's not like RH doesn't have a QA department (or bugzilla or public beta testing or bugzilla.redhat.com or the affore mentioned easy-access updates...)