speaking of which - has anyone got a torrent of that? Zdob si Zdub are a great band anyway, but the sight of granny beating the drum must have been incredibly funny. anyone? torrent?
I hope you're joking about minidiscs? They hold a puny amount of data, on a normal MD you can only fit one album which means that, sound-wise, you will end up with the equivalent of a 128 KBps MP3 rip on one disc. Not very good. I bought one of those things in Japan some 7 years ago, when they were becoming popular, only used it for about a year or so then forgot about it. Sound quality does matter. P.S. Yes, I know they now have 1 GB minidiscs. They still suck.
Mate. The fact that it took me approximately ten seconds to find it - does that make me super-intelligent? Try this No registration, no 'hidden' stuff. Just pick the rip you want, they all come from the same source, the leaked workprint. Considering how much it sucks though (saw the 5 minute preview someone posted, had a good laugh at 'not even the younglings survived', decided not to bother), are you sure you want it?
Please do not mention Lotus Notes ever again. It has been, still is, and looks like it will be, the absolute bane of my existence as a corporate drone. It sucks the life out of everyone who uses it, it destroys and maims everything it touches. It is the worst program/platform/whatever the bloody hell they think it is, EVER. It was designed to incur maximum confusion in the user, with productivity and ease of use kept to an absolute minimum. It is a vile, pestilent disease on the otherwise healthy body of my computer. I could (and am actually rather enjoying) go on about this monumental piece of excrement, but I have to go archive a few megs of mail now, and Notes is SURE to crash on me, AGAIN, then require me to reboot so I can access a puny email from six months ago. As the wise man said, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
It's Kevin Bacon, goddamnit. The poor bastard never gets any respect. Come on now, try to remember his name. Oh, and don't mention that other guy. He sucks.
From TFA: "We see objects because light bounces off them; if this scattering of light could be prevented (and if the objects didn't absorb any light) they would become invisible.". What about light absorption then?
Ah, I see, a contradiction freak. You may now bugger off in the general direction of the novelisation of Hitch, the latest Will Smith blockbuster, which is sure to tickle your fancy and make you a very happy man indeed. Never has the phrase sounded truer: nothing for YOU to see here, please move along.
I don't believe it's an actual relic and wouldn't care if it was.
Finally, some sense. THANK YOU.
So called 'relic's have no power and are unnecessary for faith in Christ.
I couldn't agree more. (Wait - did I just say that?)
All the evidence I need is in the Bible.
To each his own, I say. Seeing how there is no way we can convince each other (surely a sign of either knowledge of the absolute truth, or pig-headedness, which applies to both equally) I say we stop here, since/. is more of a geeky board than a forum for debates on gnosis, doxa and catharsis. It was nice chatting with you though. Even though I think you're absolutely bonkers:)
Dude. You have not presented reasons, you've only thrown dogma around. Which is fine, but hardly scientific. Then again, I don't think science will interest you very much, as long as you claim that the inability of anyone to prove their preaching wrong by producing a body seems to make it quite clear that the resurrection happened. You want me to engage in a discussion of that caliber? You can't be serious. What kind of ridiculous thing is that to say? A body disappears; some people claim it rose to the heavens; no one can produce the body; therefore it must be true that he rose to the skies in a blaze of glory. Could we please get real here for a second? If this is logic then Aristotle is spinning in his grave, and Hegel feels like a stiff drink. Come ON now. Say I have a cabbage. I just know that it is the son of god. Only it doesn't speak. But that is a sign of wisdom, therefore I must worship it. Then I put the cabbage in a cupboard. The next day, it is gone. Anyone with half a brain can think of about fifteen different ways that cabbage disappeared, but to the devout followers of the cabbage, it is clear it changed into a flying horse and rose to heaven to meet the lord creator. We must therefore each and all of us worship the cabbage. You would NOT like this story if someone claimed it to be true. You would call them a fraud and a charlatan, and lock them up - even though they had written proof that some people saw them speak to the cabbage, which seemed to understand what was being said, and even filmed (FILMED, mind you) the cabbage somehow sliding across a table, apparently of its own will - surely a miracle if there ever was one. You would lock them all up in an asylum before they could say three hail Brussel sprouts - because their story is preposterous, defies logic, and is a sham. It takes very little talent and ingenuity to manufacture a miracle, because there are too many gullible people out there. Surely you must disapprove of psychics and new-age quackery and healing energy and all that clap-trap - quite why you would choose to believe something equally laughable is a mystery. Engaging in a civilised argument is a fine mental exercise and a grand way to spend time, but dogma is another matter - the very fact that yours is a belief that requires a leap of faith is enough to make me reach for my mental remote control and switch to the 'Hey, look, Darwin was right! Ain't evolution grand? Let's have a look at the Galapagos islands now shall we?' channel.
You have to admit though, we have strayed WAY far from the original post. Although I'm sure you believe the shroud of Turin is an actual relic bearing the image of your saviour, I really have to ask - do you? Because if you do, I'm sure we can make a deal and I'll find you some wood from the cross, and if we try hard enough maybe even the holy grail.
Serves me right, starting a conversation on the internet with someone who knows the whole truth. Sigh. Look, it is impossible to have a rational conversation if you insist on bringing up dogma. It's not a conversation, it's a sermon - or worse, a Monty Python sketch. Where do I start? The moment I tell you that the Old Testament is a series of stories meant to help keep the Jewish tribes together in the face of oppression from all sides (which is why they all contain nothing more than teachings designed to build a sense of nation) - is the moment you call me a blasphemer, and the moment I tell you that the New Testament is full of inconsistencies you choose to ignore because dogma blinds you - is the moment the conversation ends because dogma prevents you from having any sort of conversation that doesn't involve some mystical mumbo-jumbo. One doesn't need to call the Bible a lie - one only needs to look at it and realise it is but a BOOK. The fact that you choose to believe in its truth doesn't make it any truer than any other book of ancient myths - why, pray tell, would you believe that someone was born from the womb of a virgin then raised the dead, but not believe that a woman was born by parthenogenesis from her father's forehead? They are equally preposterous propositions, and nothing but myths - even though there are books written on them, and at one point quite a few people believed the latter over the former. The fact that you believe one over the other is not a sign of wisdom, it is at best a matter of personal choice, or more accurately a matter of environment, education and peers. I hate to do this quote business again, because whenever someone starts quoting it means they have run out of intelligent things to say, but I am too tired today so here's one from Mark Twain: "Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbour as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven". No emphasis on any of the words, just a simple series of sentences you might actually want to consider. Besides - man (and I do mean that, MAN, as in homo sapiens, the only animal capable of rational thought), if you want to believe that you need to pray and ask for forgiveness for imagined transgressions or actual misdeeds, and then have some sort of wise Creator actually care, then by all means go ahead, knock yourself out. As long as it makes you happy and you don't hurt anyone in doing so, it's all good. But do allow us poor sceptics to treat the Bible, all the prophets and the signs, and all religions for that matter, with bemused indifference and not a little sarcasm. We have our own truths, which we hold very dear, just as you do yours - the difference being, we are really fond of reason and logic, which means we can be persuaded we were wrong if the proper arguments are proposed and demonstrated. Otherwise it all looks like voodoo trickery for the weak-willed, and a pitiful waste of grey matter. P.S. The 'no free man needs a god' bit is from Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov. And it needs no proof whatsoever, since it is merely an opinion. That of a free man who found theolatry degrading and decided he didn't need a god. A choice like any other, except perhaps based on, dare we say it, reason?
Here we go then, wielding that book as if it were a metaphorical weapon to slay all ideas that contradict it. Why run away from it? Because it's masochistic self-delusion and it prevents me from doing better things with my time - such as spending time with wife and my child and my friends, or reading a good book. Preferably fiction - not fiction disguised as holy writ.
it's revelation from God, not man-made philosophy
Is it now. You are absolutely, positively sure it is the revealed word of your god (who, incidentally, favours only those who worship him and damns all the others - a more fiendish idea of a deity, I have never heard), and not the translation of another translation of yet another translation of some scrolls on which a race surrounded by enemies tried to record its identity and traditions? Then again, of course you are sure, because you have decided to surrender your reasoning abilities (judging by the way you write you are fully capable of rational thought) and pray instead of think. To each his own, but still - I call that a waste.
Do you love God with all of your being? Do you worship him above all else? Is your entire live summarised by glorifying him and enjoying him? If not, then you're not giving God what he deserves and therefore sinning, by the Bible definition of it.
Er...no, no, and no. If that makes me a sinner, then tough tit for me. Any god who demands worship and respect, rather than earn them, is a fallacy I would never choose to indulge in, if only because it offends my intellectual abilities and makes a mockery of my IQ.
I've never seen a belief go round killing people. I also recall that Jesus told people to love their neighbours. People's sinfulness and ineptitude in following this doesn't change the fact that this was his teaching.
OK, I'll bite. By that reasoning, fascism, national-socialism, and communism were not inherently evil, they were but simple ideologies people abused and twisted, right? Think about it for a second: any ideology that claims its superiority over all the others contains the seeds for violence. As long as your - or anybody else's - religion lays claim to the absolute, revealed truth, it takes the first step on the road to violence. Two examples for you: the Crusaders sacking both Constantinople and Jerusalem (their horses waded through blood up to their chests, it is said), and the Spanish baptising South American babies before slitting their throats. THINK about the things religion DOES. Simply blaming people for its effects is not a solution, it is but refusing to admit the reality of what it does.
Nice sound bite, but what makes it in any way true?
Not a sound bite, silly, a fragment of a quote from one of the most beautiful books in the English language. It goes "My God died young. Theolatry I found Degrading, and its premises, unsound. No free man needs a God [...]" You should give it a try, great read.
Besides, there are non free men.
You lost me there.
Can you do anything you want?
As long as it's not illegal, yes. What is your point again?
Can you forgive your own sins?
Ah, an easy one at last. Yes I can. Mostly because I haven't sinned, really, but if I did, I'm sure I could find it in my heart to forgive me. Isn't forgiveness the big thing?
Why, if that source is an omniscient, infinite God? Surely he would be the very best source, rendering others unnecessary?
You are committing the sin of pride. You should never assume that that which you believe in is the absolute and only truth, it's just bad style and horrendously bad logic. Besides, omniscience and omnipotence might be very nifty ideas to toy around with, but they do tend to contradict each other. Really, they do. Think about it.
Any rational being should run away from this sort of masochistic pseudo-philosophy. The idea that I commited a so called sin by simply being born is beyond preposterous, and a complete waste of my time and intelligence. Christianity can go on and on about love and forgiveness and all the other nice things it likes to talk about while happily killing those who oppose it - as long as it postulate an a priori 'sin', it is nothing but another type of voodoo masquerading as 'truth'. Quoth Nabokov in Pale Fire: "No free man needs a god".
Emphasis on 'free'.
P.S. Besides, over-reliance on a single source of information, supposedly containing all the truth and wisdom one needs, is not only silly but also bad management of resources. An informational mono-culture is A Very Bad Thing (tm).
Christians aren't supposed to hate anyone, but rather hate the sin.
Funny, I thought you Christians aren't supposed to hate anything, since yours claims to be a religion of love and everything. Besides, come on - Christianity means nothing without the sin, it is its very foundation. You gotta love it.
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it does??? weird. try this then:d vd_rippers/dvd_decrypter.cfm
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/
Try this:r ror=0&software_id=298
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/dawnload.cfm?mi
Worked fine for me.
*shrugs/
Wish I had points to mod you back up. (Even though it is offtopic)
1, 2, 3, 14 ?! What the hell is going through your head Bono?
he was drunk. no really he was, look it up, he said so in an interview.
Yeah, like that needs to be any more intense than it already is.
so far, not a single comment has been moderated "Insightful"?
Well, except for yours. Now that's ironic, innit?
a Moldovan granny banging a drum
speaking of which - has anyone got a torrent of that? Zdob si Zdub are a great band anyway, but the sight of granny beating the drum must have been incredibly funny. anyone? torrent?
I hope you're joking about minidiscs?
They hold a puny amount of data, on a normal MD you can only fit one album which means that, sound-wise, you will end up with the equivalent of a 128 KBps MP3 rip on one disc. Not very good. I bought one of those things in Japan some 7 years ago, when they were becoming popular, only used it for about a year or so then forgot about it. Sound quality does matter.
P.S. Yes, I know they now have 1 GB minidiscs. They still suck.
Mate.
The fact that it took me approximately ten seconds to find it - does that make me super-intelligent?
Try this
No registration, no 'hidden' stuff. Just pick the rip you want, they all come from the same source, the leaked workprint.
Considering how much it sucks though (saw the 5 minute preview someone posted, had a good laugh at 'not even the younglings survived', decided not to bother), are you sure you want it?
Leave it to someone on Slashdot to mention Fark and the Bible in the same breath - if there's one thing geeks are good at, it must be blasphemy.
Please do not mention Lotus Notes ever again. It has been, still is, and looks like it will be, the absolute bane of my existence as a corporate drone. It sucks the life out of everyone who uses it, it destroys and maims everything it touches. It is the worst program/platform/whatever the bloody hell they think it is, EVER. It was designed to incur maximum confusion in the user, with productivity and ease of use kept to an absolute minimum. It is a vile, pestilent disease on the otherwise healthy body of my computer. I could (and am actually rather enjoying) go on about this monumental piece of excrement, but I have to go archive a few megs of mail now, and Notes is SURE to crash on me, AGAIN, then require me to reboot so I can access a puny email from six months ago. As the wise man said, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
Ed Harris, and Tom Hanks, and ...
It's Kevin Bacon, goddamnit. The poor bastard never gets any respect. Come on now, try to remember his name.
Oh, and don't mention that other guy. He sucks.
Man, I thought France was about freedom and justice.
No, it only looks that way when compared to the US.
From TFA: "We see objects because light bounces off them; if this scattering of light could be prevented (and if the objects didn't absorb any light) they would become invisible.".
What about light absorption then?
Ah, I see, a contradiction freak. You may now bugger off in the general direction of the novelisation of Hitch, the latest Will Smith blockbuster, which is sure to tickle your fancy and make you a very happy man indeed.
Never has the phrase sounded truer: nothing for YOU to see here, please move along.
Oh dear, I saw the title and the brain read 'Kyoto Protocol Comes Into Farce'. Brrrrr. Talk about premonitions.
it's like trying to kill fortran - it'll only happen over dead bodies...
oh god please let someone kill fortran, dead bodies be damned, please please please
ah, it does pay to monitor the Slashdot RSS feed religiously, you may even get first post.
He's tried and gloriously failed for thirty years now. Still, I hear he's a persistent sort of chap, who knows what might happen?
Peace.
I don't believe it's an actual relic and wouldn't care if it was.
/. is more of a geeky board than a forum for debates on gnosis, doxa and catharsis. :)
Finally, some sense. THANK YOU.
So called 'relic's have no power and are unnecessary for faith in Christ.
I couldn't agree more. (Wait - did I just say that?)
All the evidence I need is in the Bible.
To each his own, I say. Seeing how there is no way we can convince each other (surely a sign of either knowledge of the absolute truth, or pig-headedness, which applies to both equally) I say we stop here, since
It was nice chatting with you though. Even though I think you're absolutely bonkers
Dude. You have not presented reasons, you've only thrown dogma around. Which is fine, but hardly scientific. Then again, I don't think science will interest you very much, as long as you claim that the inability of anyone to prove their preaching wrong by producing a body seems to make it quite clear that the resurrection happened. You want me to engage in a discussion of that caliber? You can't be serious. What kind of ridiculous thing is that to say? A body disappears; some people claim it rose to the heavens; no one can produce the body; therefore it must be true that he rose to the skies in a blaze of glory. Could we please get real here for a second? If this is logic then Aristotle is spinning in his grave, and Hegel feels like a stiff drink. Come ON now.
Say I have a cabbage. I just know that it is the son of god. Only it doesn't speak. But that is a sign of wisdom, therefore I must worship it. Then I put the cabbage in a cupboard. The next day, it is gone. Anyone with half a brain can think of about fifteen different ways that cabbage disappeared, but to the devout followers of the cabbage, it is clear it changed into a flying horse and rose to heaven to meet the lord creator. We must therefore each and all of us worship the cabbage.
You would NOT like this story if someone claimed it to be true. You would call them a fraud and a charlatan, and lock them up - even though they had written proof that some people saw them speak to the cabbage, which seemed to understand what was being said, and even filmed (FILMED, mind you) the cabbage somehow sliding across a table, apparently of its own will - surely a miracle if there ever was one. You would lock them all up in an asylum before they could say three hail Brussel sprouts - because their story is preposterous, defies logic, and is a sham.
It takes very little talent and ingenuity to manufacture a miracle, because there are too many gullible people out there. Surely you must disapprove of psychics and new-age quackery and healing energy and all that clap-trap - quite why you would choose to believe something equally laughable is a mystery.
Engaging in a civilised argument is a fine mental exercise and a grand way to spend time, but dogma is another matter - the very fact that yours is a belief that requires a leap of faith is enough to make me reach for my mental remote control and switch to the 'Hey, look, Darwin was right! Ain't evolution grand? Let's have a look at the Galapagos islands now shall we?' channel.
You have to admit though, we have strayed WAY far from the original post. Although I'm sure you believe the shroud of Turin is an actual relic bearing the image of your saviour, I really have to ask - do you?
Because if you do, I'm sure we can make a deal and I'll find you some wood from the cross, and if we try hard enough maybe even the holy grail.
Serves me right, starting a conversation on the internet with someone who knows the whole truth. Sigh. Look, it is impossible to have a rational conversation if you insist on bringing up dogma. It's not a conversation, it's a sermon - or worse, a Monty Python sketch.
Where do I start? The moment I tell you that the Old Testament is a series of stories meant to help keep the Jewish tribes together in the face of oppression from all sides (which is why they all contain nothing more than teachings designed to build a sense of nation) - is the moment you call me a blasphemer, and the moment I tell you that the New Testament is full of inconsistencies you choose to ignore because dogma blinds you - is the moment the conversation ends because dogma prevents you from having any sort of conversation that doesn't involve some mystical mumbo-jumbo.
One doesn't need to call the Bible a lie - one only needs to look at it and realise it is but a BOOK. The fact that you choose to believe in its truth doesn't make it any truer than any other book of ancient myths - why, pray tell, would you believe that someone was born from the womb of a virgin then raised the dead, but not believe that a woman was born by parthenogenesis from her father's forehead? They are equally preposterous propositions, and nothing but myths - even though there are books written on them, and at one point quite a few people believed the latter over the former. The fact that you believe one over the other is not a sign of wisdom, it is at best a matter of personal choice, or more accurately a matter of environment, education and peers.
I hate to do this quote business again, because whenever someone starts quoting it means they have run out of intelligent things to say, but I am too tired today so here's one from Mark Twain: "Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbour as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven".
No emphasis on any of the words, just a simple series of sentences you might actually want to consider.
Besides - man (and I do mean that, MAN, as in homo sapiens, the only animal capable of rational thought), if you want to believe that you need to pray and ask for forgiveness for imagined transgressions or actual misdeeds, and then have some sort of wise Creator actually care, then by all means go ahead, knock yourself out. As long as it makes you happy and you don't hurt anyone in doing so, it's all good. But do allow us poor sceptics to treat the Bible, all the prophets and the signs, and all religions for that matter, with bemused indifference and not a little sarcasm. We have our own truths, which we hold very dear, just as you do yours - the difference being, we are really fond of reason and logic, which means we can be persuaded we were wrong if the proper arguments are proposed and demonstrated. Otherwise it all looks like voodoo trickery for the weak-willed, and a pitiful waste of grey matter.
P.S. The 'no free man needs a god' bit is from Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov. And it needs no proof whatsoever, since it is merely an opinion. That of a free man who found theolatry degrading and decided he didn't need a god. A choice like any other, except perhaps based on, dare we say it, reason?
Here we go then, wielding that book as if it were a metaphorical weapon to slay all ideas that contradict it.
Why run away from it? Because it's masochistic self-delusion and it prevents me from doing better things with my time - such as spending time with wife and my child and my friends, or reading a good book. Preferably fiction - not fiction disguised as holy writ.
it's revelation from God, not man-made philosophy
Is it now. You are absolutely, positively sure it is the revealed word of your god (who, incidentally, favours only those who worship him and damns all the others - a more fiendish idea of a deity, I have never heard), and not the translation of another translation of yet another translation of some scrolls on which a race surrounded by enemies tried to record its identity and traditions? Then again, of course you are sure, because you have decided to surrender your reasoning abilities (judging by the way you write you are fully capable of rational thought) and pray instead of think. To each his own, but still - I call that a waste.
Do you love God with all of your being? Do you worship him above all else? Is your entire live summarised by glorifying him and enjoying him? If not, then you're not giving God what he deserves and therefore sinning, by the Bible definition of it.
Er...no, no, and no. If that makes me a sinner, then tough tit for me. Any god who demands worship and respect, rather than earn them, is a fallacy I would never choose to indulge in, if only because it offends my intellectual abilities and makes a mockery of my IQ.
I've never seen a belief go round killing people. I also recall that Jesus told people to love their neighbours. People's sinfulness and ineptitude in following this doesn't change the fact that this was his teaching.
OK, I'll bite. By that reasoning, fascism, national-socialism, and communism were not inherently evil, they were but simple ideologies people abused and twisted, right? Think about it for a second: any ideology that claims its superiority over all the others contains the seeds for violence. As long as your - or anybody else's - religion lays claim to the absolute, revealed truth, it takes the first step on the road to violence. Two examples for you: the Crusaders sacking both Constantinople and Jerusalem (their horses waded through blood up to their chests, it is said), and the Spanish baptising South American babies before slitting their throats.
THINK about the things religion DOES. Simply blaming people for its effects is not a solution, it is but refusing to admit the reality of what it does.
Nice sound bite, but what makes it in any way true?
Not a sound bite, silly, a fragment of a quote from one of the most beautiful books in the English language. It goes
"My God died young. Theolatry I found
Degrading, and its premises, unsound.
No free man needs a God [...]"
You should give it a try, great read.
Besides, there are non free men.
You lost me there.
Can you do anything you want?
As long as it's not illegal, yes. What is your point again?
Can you forgive your own sins?
Ah, an easy one at last. Yes I can. Mostly because I haven't sinned, really, but if I did, I'm sure I could find it in my heart to forgive me. Isn't forgiveness the big thing?
Why, if that source is an omniscient, infinite God? Surely he would be the very best source, rendering others unnecessary?
You are committing the sin of pride. You should never assume that that which you believe in is the absolute and only truth, it's just bad style and horrendously bad logic. Besides, omniscience and omnipotence might be very nifty ideas to toy around with, but they do tend to contradict each other. Really, they do. Think about it.
the nature of man, who is sinful.
Any rational being should run away from this sort of masochistic pseudo-philosophy. The idea that I commited a so called sin by simply being born is beyond preposterous, and a complete waste of my time and intelligence. Christianity can go on and on about love and forgiveness and all the other nice things it likes to talk about while happily killing those who oppose it - as long as it postulate an a priori 'sin', it is nothing but another type of voodoo masquerading as 'truth'.
Quoth Nabokov in Pale Fire: "No free man needs a god".
Emphasis on 'free'.
P.S. Besides, over-reliance on a single source of information, supposedly containing all the truth and wisdom one needs, is not only silly but also bad management of resources. An informational mono-culture is A Very Bad Thing (tm).
Christians aren't supposed to hate anyone, but rather hate the sin.
Funny, I thought you Christians aren't supposed to hate anything, since yours claims to be a religion of love and everything. Besides, come on - Christianity means nothing without the sin, it is its very foundation.
You gotta love it.