I think this is going to open up a big can of worms that nobody wants opened. This could, in theory, decriminalize (note, not legalize) software, music and video copying and distribution. All you have to say is that you didn't read the agreement, making it null and void.
I'd really like to see all those kids that got in trouble for downloading music counter-sue now.
Actually, when I lived in Florida I saw a great news story about this. There was a study done and it turns out that you were more likely to be killed by a cocanut landing on your head than you were to be killed by a shark.
Also, the study continued to say that at any given time 1 in 20 bathers is within 5 feet of a shark, most without even realizing it.
Given that information, I'm still not gonna intentionally swim with an animal that is much bigger and stronger than I am, and has several rows of teeth.
I don't use Windows simply because I have to support over 200 Windows machines all day long at work. I am a Mac guy - sure, I have Windows machines at home. My wife uses one - I have a very simple setup with Norton Ghost and a cron script that backs up data files regularly to a removeable drive - and my son uses the other (he doesn't mind losing his game files when we have to wipe the system). Every 2-3 months, they complain that things are getting bad. My answer? format and start over from my image. I actually do enjoy removing Windows...
As I said earlier, I use a Mac. I walk around work with my wireless PowerBook G4. Hell, my PowerBook typically has similar uptimes to our Solaris and FreeBSD servers! (Alright, maybe not that good, but pretty close.) I know that my system is a lot more secure than Windows and it's much more stable. I can do everything on my Mac that I can do on Windows, plus with the Unix backend, I can do alot more.
My question is, why do you use Windows? I mean, with all the security holes and virus outbreaks, etc, why do you still take the risk?
Though it will be fun to watch Gates lose control of this situation, I higly doubt that this will be anything like the "downfall of Microsoft." Microsoft can continue to use the name "Windows" as long as they'd like. This judgement would simply say that others can use variations of it as well.
My guess is, if they lose this suit, Microsoft will change the name when they release Longhorn or the next version.
I'm more referring to your everyday (with Microsoft atleast) virus/worms. As far as vulnerabilities and all, I think that it's obvious that Apple does a far superior job in QA testing.
I've honestly not heard of a worm in Apache or IIS. Wouldn't that be based on the server OS? Or are you talking about a vulnerability? I'm not saying I'm a web server pro or anything, but I do have about 5 years experience with Apache servers and I have yet to see one. I've only used IIS once, for about a week.
You're also looking too much into how many viruses/worms are currently in circulation (or have been in the past) for OS X. I think the bigger question is how many *could* be. Just because there aren't any there doesn't mean that there are holes sitting and waiting for an attack. I think most virus/worm writers are looking to hit the largest "audience" possible. To write one for a Mac is plain stupid. Where Microsoft has such a large market share - especially with the average Joe who goes and buys a computer because he wants email and knows nothing about security - that these virus/worms spread like wildfire.
The reality of it is that we can compare OS X security to Windows security all day long - but you'll never be able to get a true comparison in that area. You can, currently, say that OS X is less likely to get a virus/worm than Windows, but that doesn't mean that tomorrow you can say the same thing. In actuality, as most OS X users don't have Anti-Virus software (myself included), if a virus were to hit OS X tomorrow, there would be some huge issues.
Very true - however, Mac OS X has a very easy way to install patches and a more reliable history with patches. Not to say that they don't realease patches that cause more harm than good every so often, but they do seem to do it less often than MS. Granted, as you point out, due to fact that few people (in comparison) use Mac OS X (especially on the server side) it is virtually untested.
On the *nux side, I think it's more understood that it is the user/admin's responsability to take care of these things. Microsoft often leads people to believe (in my experience, it's mostly small business owners) that it's secure out of the box, which is really true for no OS. Over the past few years, they have been doing a lot less of this, but the image still lingers.
I think that MS should be held accountable, but only by the consumer. To use your door example, if I buy a door and I have to constantly monitor the thousands of locks on this door to make sure they don't open by themselves or fall out of the door, etc., then, when I finally turn my back to go down to the store and grab a dew, I come home to find my house empty and my door wide open, even though all of the locks are still locked. (The manufacturer calls it a "feature.") I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy that door again. I'd go buy a different door.
Too many people get hit with these worms, have their systems fall completely, just to recover, update Windows and carry on as normal. Then, in another year or so, the next major worm comes out and they have to do it all over again.
There's too many people who use 'doze simply because it's "easy" and, probably mostly, "because everyone else is doing it..." I mean, if seeing these virus warnings on the news isn't enough to make people think "hmmm, when's the last *nix/Mac virus I heard about" and maybe actually look into it, I don't know what will work.
Well I must have been really lucky. Within the past year or so, I was relocated and given a healthy raise. My current employer hired a headhunter to find someone to fill my position (programmer). At my first interview, I was nervous because I have no formal training to speak of. Everything I've learned, I learned myself - from books or from doing. Also, I only had about 3 years of experience to back up my resume. I'm sure that I didn't really look too good on paper. But after talking with the owner of the company and the IT person on staff, they appreciated the fact that I could do a little of everything. Not only am I a programmer, desktop support, mail admin, phone sys admin, crawl-under-the-building-to-run-wires-guy, etc..., but I'm looking to get Sun certified, on the companies dime. Personally, this is the type of job that I like. I would rather come to work not really knowing what I'm going to have my hands in today.
But, as previously stated, the fact that he assigns a few select members of his upper management (assumingly people who are trusted with a lot of information about Apple as a company, as well as their products) to release information could be simply another measure of security within the company.
With Microsoft for instance, there are constantly leaks about products or news or something coming out of that building. I assume this is due to the fact that Bill Gates does not have such strict rules about R&D security. Jobs runs his companies (Pixar as well from what I understand) with more hushed lips than most companies.
I, also, am not arguing about Jobs' ego. But I feel that he has the right to be proud of what he's accomplished and, though he may not have come up with the idea or made a specific product, he made Apple what it is today - he made the development possible.
You can call me just another fanboy, but I'm really not. Sure, I use Apple products - I love Apple products, but I'll be first to point out when Jobs, or Apple, screws up. Honestly, it's kind of a wonder their still in business today.
Also, Steve is very keen on privacy about what's going on inside of 1 Infinite Loop. He wants info released when *he* wants it released. Before then and someone's getting their heads chopped off. (Yes, both of them)
A while back, days before they boosted the old G4 line, there was a leak on their web site with the new specs and prices - basically, the wrong image was put up. Rumour has it, he flipped his lid about that one...
I can still do 80 in a 30. Also, what if I like to find a drag strip and legally race my car?
I see your point as well and really, there's no "good" answer. I think both sides have too many problems. You can't stop the hardware side just because there's some people doing bad things - it takes away the possibility for good things. At the same time, it's very expensive and time consuming to try to catch the people doing bad things.
If the best people on the planet analyzed the situation and came up with "let's shoot it up in the air and see what happens" then my mistrust in humanity just got a whole lot worse.
I think I would've rather seen the Union of Journeyman Janitors come up with something.
See, I feel that penalizing the car manufacturer because most drivers speed is foolish. I think that it's much more productive to find the person speeding, pull him over and give him a ticket. If it's a repeat offense, the penalty gets larger until the right to drive has been taken away.
Similar to this industry, why penalize the mod manufacturer, or the user of mod chips who doesn't use them for illegal purposes? It's the behaviour that needs fixing, not the product. While I don't share your views of piracy, (another discussion, another time) I feel that this isn't an action against piracy, it's an action against freedom.
guns, on the other hand, have only one purpose and that is to incur violent destruction.
So similar to a fishing pole.
But, to try to get in the same vicinity of the original topic, mod chips are not made only for illegal purposes. So really, it is more like a car than a gun. You can do illegal things with it, but does that mean that's the only thing you can do with it? And even further, should it be made illegal because some people (even the majority) do illegal things with it?
If so, I'd like to see some results of a survey on the percentage of drivers who speed. Same concept.
So do cars, fishing poles, knives, sticks, baseball bats, electricity, water and millions of other things. Does that mean we start banning everything that we have built our society around?
No. We need to police the use, not the production.
This may be close to wandering off topic, but it's really the same principal. All items have many uses - some bad, others good. If we stop making items that have bad uses, we won't have anything left.
This is very true, if not unfortunate. I've had friends have major problems with their Macs and not get a replacement unit from Apple. Then, I had another friend who had a problem and they cross-shipped a replacement. He had a new machine overnight while Apple actually paid for the return shipping on the bad one. I think it was just how he spoke to the tech he got.
Personally, I've never really had an issue with my Macs, so I've never dealt with AppleCare.
Actually, given the opportunity to come up with my own plan, I would have gathered a team of seasoned veterans (if there is a such thing) on the subject. If that's not possible, I would atleast gather those who know more than I do on the subject.
My point isn't that I could do it better, because I couldn't. However, even I realize that out of sight != out of mind.
Basing plans on that idea is stupid in any language.
I don't see this as anti-nuclear propoganda at all. It's not the existance of this material that causes the issue. The issue stems from the dolt who decided to dispose of it by launching it out of site/out of mind. That's probably one of the most moronic things I've ever heard. (And yes, I'm sure it happens pretty regularly.)
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A new kind of lawsuit.
There goes SCO's case.
I'd really like to see all those kids that got in trouble for downloading music counter-sue now.
Some do.
Also, the study continued to say that at any given time 1 in 20 bathers is within 5 feet of a shark, most without even realizing it.
Given that information, I'm still not gonna intentionally swim with an animal that is much bigger and stronger than I am, and has several rows of teeth.
As I said earlier, I use a Mac. I walk around work with my wireless PowerBook G4. Hell, my PowerBook typically has similar uptimes to our Solaris and FreeBSD servers! (Alright, maybe not that good, but pretty close.) I know that my system is a lot more secure than Windows and it's much more stable. I can do everything on my Mac that I can do on Windows, plus with the Unix backend, I can do alot more.
My question is, why do you use Windows? I mean, with all the security holes and virus outbreaks, etc, why do you still take the risk?
Though it will be fun to watch Gates lose control of this situation, I higly doubt that this will be anything like the "downfall of Microsoft." Microsoft can continue to use the name "Windows" as long as they'd like. This judgement would simply say that others can use variations of it as well.
My guess is, if they lose this suit, Microsoft will change the name when they release Longhorn or the next version.
I'm more referring to your everyday (with Microsoft atleast) virus/worms. As far as vulnerabilities and all, I think that it's obvious that Apple does a far superior job in QA testing.
I've honestly not heard of a worm in Apache or IIS. Wouldn't that be based on the server OS? Or are you talking about a vulnerability? I'm not saying I'm a web server pro or anything, but I do have about 5 years experience with Apache servers and I have yet to see one. I've only used IIS once, for about a week.
You're also looking too much into how many viruses/worms are currently in circulation (or have been in the past) for OS X. I think the bigger question is how many *could* be. Just because there aren't any there doesn't mean that there are holes sitting and waiting for an attack. I think most virus/worm writers are looking to hit the largest "audience" possible. To write one for a Mac is plain stupid. Where Microsoft has such a large market share - especially with the average Joe who goes and buys a computer because he wants email and knows nothing about security - that these virus/worms spread like wildfire.
The reality of it is that we can compare OS X security to Windows security all day long - but you'll never be able to get a true comparison in that area. You can, currently, say that OS X is less likely to get a virus/worm than Windows, but that doesn't mean that tomorrow you can say the same thing. In actuality, as most OS X users don't have Anti-Virus software (myself included), if a virus were to hit OS X tomorrow, there would be some huge issues.
On the *nux side, I think it's more understood that it is the user/admin's responsability to take care of these things. Microsoft often leads people to believe (in my experience, it's mostly small business owners) that it's secure out of the box, which is really true for no OS. Over the past few years, they have been doing a lot less of this, but the image still lingers.
Personally, I like South Parks way of handling Bill Gates...
Too many people get hit with these worms, have their systems fall completely, just to recover, update Windows and carry on as normal. Then, in another year or so, the next major worm comes out and they have to do it all over again.
There's too many people who use 'doze simply because it's "easy" and, probably mostly, "because everyone else is doing it..." I mean, if seeing these virus warnings on the news isn't enough to make people think "hmmm, when's the last *nix/Mac virus I heard about" and maybe actually look into it, I don't know what will work.
Maybe when Bill Gates finally grows the horns and starts talking in toungues, people will get the hint.
But it did have twice the bugs and 3 times the holes! Now THAT's worth $250!
I'll stick with my Mac thanks.
Well I must have been really lucky. Within the past year or so, I was relocated and given a healthy raise. My current employer hired a headhunter to find someone to fill my position (programmer). At my first interview, I was nervous because I have no formal training to speak of. Everything I've learned, I learned myself - from books or from doing. Also, I only had about 3 years of experience to back up my resume. I'm sure that I didn't really look too good on paper. But after talking with the owner of the company and the IT person on staff, they appreciated the fact that I could do a little of everything. Not only am I a programmer, desktop support, mail admin, phone sys admin, crawl-under-the-building-to-run-wires-guy, etc..., but I'm looking to get Sun certified, on the companies dime. Personally, this is the type of job that I like. I would rather come to work not really knowing what I'm going to have my hands in today.
Again, I guess I just got lucky.
But, as previously stated, the fact that he assigns a few select members of his upper management (assumingly people who are trusted with a lot of information about Apple as a company, as well as their products) to release information could be simply another measure of security within the company.
With Microsoft for instance, there are constantly leaks about products or news or something coming out of that building. I assume this is due to the fact that Bill Gates does not have such strict rules about R&D security. Jobs runs his companies (Pixar as well from what I understand) with more hushed lips than most companies.
I, also, am not arguing about Jobs' ego. But I feel that he has the right to be proud of what he's accomplished and, though he may not have come up with the idea or made a specific product, he made Apple what it is today - he made the development possible.
You can call me just another fanboy, but I'm really not. Sure, I use Apple products - I love Apple products, but I'll be first to point out when Jobs, or Apple, screws up. Honestly, it's kind of a wonder their still in business today.
Also, Steve is very keen on privacy about what's going on inside of 1 Infinite Loop. He wants info released when *he* wants it released. Before then and someone's getting their heads chopped off. (Yes, both of them)
A while back, days before they boosted the old G4 line, there was a leak on their web site with the new specs and prices - basically, the wrong image was put up. Rumour has it, he flipped his lid about that one...
This was after they decided to change their original ideas of OpenScreenDoor, VirtualSieve and SwissCheese...
I see your point as well and really, there's no "good" answer. I think both sides have too many problems. You can't stop the hardware side just because there's some people doing bad things - it takes away the possibility for good things. At the same time, it's very expensive and time consuming to try to catch the people doing bad things.
I think I would've rather seen the Union of Journeyman Janitors come up with something.
Similar to this industry, why penalize the mod manufacturer, or the user of mod chips who doesn't use them for illegal purposes? It's the behaviour that needs fixing, not the product. While I don't share your views of piracy, (another discussion, another time) I feel that this isn't an action against piracy, it's an action against freedom.
So similar to a fishing pole.
But, to try to get in the same vicinity of the original topic, mod chips are not made only for illegal purposes. So really, it is more like a car than a gun. You can do illegal things with it, but does that mean that's the only thing you can do with it? And even further, should it be made illegal because some people (even the majority) do illegal things with it?
If so, I'd like to see some results of a survey on the percentage of drivers who speed. Same concept.
So do cars, fishing poles, knives, sticks, baseball bats, electricity, water and millions of other things. Does that mean we start banning everything that we have built our society around?
No. We need to police the use, not the production.
This may be close to wandering off topic, but it's really the same principal. All items have many uses - some bad, others good. If we stop making items that have bad uses, we won't have anything left.
This is very true, if not unfortunate. I've had friends have major problems with their Macs and not get a replacement unit from Apple. Then, I had another friend who had a problem and they cross-shipped a replacement. He had a new machine overnight while Apple actually paid for the return shipping on the bad one. I think it was just how he spoke to the tech he got.
Personally, I've never really had an issue with my Macs, so I've never dealt with AppleCare.
Actually, given the opportunity to come up with my own plan, I would have gathered a team of seasoned veterans (if there is a such thing) on the subject. If that's not possible, I would atleast gather those who know more than I do on the subject.
My point isn't that I could do it better, because I couldn't. However, even I realize that out of sight != out of mind.
Basing plans on that idea is stupid in any language.
I don't see this as anti-nuclear propoganda at all. It's not the existance of this material that causes the issue. The issue stems from the dolt who decided to dispose of it by launching it out of site/out of mind. That's probably one of the most moronic things I've ever heard. (And yes, I'm sure it happens pretty regularly.)
I wonder if the spammer is entered into the contest to win it back???