Well they do decrease productivity because they eat up ram and chew CPU cycles.
Personally I think GUIs make people less productive but I know I am in the minority in that regard. GUIs make things easier to learn but harder to use.
" professionalism in open source is something that should be encouraged."
What part of professionalism says that you should call open source devleopers communists, hippies, krishnas and ministers?
You are confusing sleazy and unethical business as practised in the US with professionalism. Most business people are sleazebags who will do anything to anybody to make a buck. Marc and people like him feel that if they insult and irritate their "vendors" (open source developers in this case) they will get a better deal. Of course in this case it won't work, in anything your typical sleazebag business tactics will probably backfire on him.
I find it amazing how home people think it's evil to produce code for free but it's perfecly OK to call people hippies and communists just because they are generous. It shows how twisted the value systems of americans have become.
"This guy is following the license and spirit of the GPL, and making money doing it. People should be patting him on the back, not giving him a hard time."
He is making money off of open source. He should be patting open source on the back, not giving them a hard time.
I see that you have an arabic name so I am curious. Did you mean communist as in "not a religious fundamentalist"? I remember Osama Bin Laden calling Saddam Hussein a "communist" because he was a secular leader who disliked religious fundamentalists. Apparently in the arabic culture people who are secular are called communists sometimes.
I don't want to try and judge you by yoru name, after all you might have said communist because you are a right wing zealot pulling out the old redbaiting tactics to try and win arguments. It's a commonly used shortcut of ideological zealots whose minds are not allowed to reach some conclusions that are against their rigid belief systems.
I have news for you. 75% of all businesses fail. That's right go look it up. There is no magic formula for guaranteed success, you try things, most of the time you fail, occationally you succeed.
The difference between open source and business is that in open source your failures belong to the community. All that failure is visible so people can learn from it, can take ideas, bits and pieces from it and try again. In business you don't have that.
"The alternative is they give you nothing, you starve, someone spends all their free time writing another damn e-mail client or content management system in PHP."
Until I open up the paper and read about starving programmers I'll just presume you are lying and spreading FUD here.
That's because MS was able to impact the profits of NS by dumping a crappy IE free for years. MS executives called this strategy "cutting off the oxygen supply" It was a sleazy, brutal, illegal and supremely unethical act and eventually they settled a suit about it.
So don't take the supposed superiority of IE out of context. It's hard to keep pumping money into a product when the monoply is shoving the competing product down everybodies throat and spending billions on it.
If the US felt that there was a real danger of being accidentally nuked they would aggressively pursue disarmament. Again that's a good thing. Ideally the Chinese would set up space based nukes sitting on top of the US where the missiles could hit withing 10 to 20 seconds and cause instant annhilation of the country.
If that happened the US would do everything in it's power to get rid of all th enukes in the world. Until then the US feels like it has the capacity to destroy other countries while minimizing the risk to it's own citizens. Therefore there is no reason to disarm.
I hope and prey that the chinese (or anybody) can achieve the ability to kill all americans within seconds. Until that happens the world will forever be in risk from nuclear weapons.
that's the way it works in la la land. In la la land it also never rains and all the leaders are good honest people who just want the best for their subjects.
In the real world you get a call from a collection agency telling you that you owe 120 dollars for a video tape you returned six months ago. Oddly enough the rental place does not give receipts when you return a video, just when you take it out. They can prove you rented the video and you can't prove you returned it.
"It decreases time of flight to target. It makes it harder for a ballistic missile defense system like SDI/Star Wars to successfully intercept because you won't have huge friggin ground launch signatures to warn you and give you accurate trajectory estimates, you'll just have much smaller de-orbit burns that make detection and prediction much harder, with a smaller event window in which to do it. It's an inevitable result of the return of the US missile defense project."
That's a good thing. It continues the highly effective mutual assured destruction paradigm until the US finds a way to stop those missiles. The minute one country can stop the other countries missiles nuclear war is more likely.
"So you're left with a missile defense system that's incapable of defending against a Chinese attack, and also completely useless against terrorists who would deliver a nuke through shipping. Why did you spend those billions again?"
There is no rational basis for US defense spending. It's the product of a system where the tax dollars are siphoned off to defense contractors in exchange for bribes and votes. It has nothing to do with the defense of the nation.
"So everybody becomes even more trigger happy as they realize they have less reaction time available than before. Bet that doomsday clock advances a few minutes as a result."
Again I tend the disagree. MAD has served us well and will serve us in the future. As long as the US is afraid it might get nuked it will stay away from nations that have that capacity and stick to attacking defenseless countries like iraq and afghanistan.
"Kind of ironic that I hate all 4 of those things you mentioned, then, isn't it?"
You can hate it all you want you are still a socialist if you have participated in them. If you attended public schools, will get social security, worked for a business that got govt subsidies or even ate subsidized food and drank municipal water you are a socialist.
"I'd say he's a Green judging from his website. He suggests boycotting Coca Cola, which, despite what socialists may say, is actually a very capitalistic action, but also seems to be one of those wackos that think Bush stole the election."
Green? What the hell is that? Is like "pink". I still don't get it though. He is calling for a boycott of Coca Cola. You admit that this is a capitalist endevor and yet you present as proof that he is anti capitalist? That makes no sense.
As for bush I too believe Bush stole the election. So do billions of other people in the world. Does believing that the voting machines were rigged in Ohio by the company which promised bush the election make you anti capitalist? What does that have anything to do with capitalism?
"I don't care about karma on this website, and I'm not going to censor myself just to try to fit in with the political views of the majority of Slashdot. RMS, and other like him, who find it necessary to have active political agendas with regards to coding, are indeed "wackos" and "crackpots"."
That's awefully brave of you. Willing yourself not to censor yourself so you won't lose karma. Where would this world be without the bravery of people like you. Thank the lord there are brave souls like you around who don't censor what they say. I bet you singlehandedly destroyed a thousand terrorist cells with your bravery today.
You know what? You sound like a wacko and a crackpot to me.
"I've seen GPL projects that die because they target a commercial audience that won't touch a GPL. "
The GPL only effects companies that write code. The GPL only effects companies that distribute the code that they have written.
I haven't done the surveys but my instinct tell me that that's less then one tenth of one percent of all companies in the world.
Thanks to FUDsters like you and bill gates though lost of CIOs think that the GPL will effect them even if they don't write code let alone redistribute.
What has RMS said that makes you believe he is not a capitalist.
I should add here that nobody is really a capitalist. People adhere to some level of capitalism but even in the US we have anti capitalist things like public schools, medicare, social security, subsidies for business etc. In real life nobody is a capitalist, everybody is a socialist more or less.
Those companies as a rule don't distribute their code. For internal use only there is no difference between the GPL and BSD licenses. The GPL only kicks in when you distribute the code to others.
This whole debate is only applicable to the.001% of all companies in the world which actually write and distribute code.
1) Announce that you will move mount fuji any day now. 2) Announce that the competition will never be able move mount fuji and that once you move mount fuji there is a real chance they will go out of business. 3) Announce that since you will move mount fuji any day now it makes no sense to buy anything from a competitor......wait four years.
4) Announce that you will not be moving all of mount fuji just "the important parts".... Wait two years.
5) Announce that you have already moved part of mount fuji and show the press a bucket of dirt.
6) Get a truckload of dirt from mount fuji, dump it in redmond and proudly announce that you have successfully moved mount fuji. 7) Keep claiming that MS has moved mount fuji and that it's the most innovative and amazing thing ever done by anybody anywhere. Pay ZDNET lots of money to repeat that announcement five times a day for six months.
8) Voila! MS has moved mount fuji, anybody who claims otherwise is a communist, hippie, terrorist.
Why did you leave out the barbaric things happening to the palestenians? For every israeli killed by a palestenian there are two to three palestenians killed by israelis.
For that matter the barbaric things happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Just because an army does the killing it doesn't make it right.
Yahoo does not get much respect here on slashdot but I can't figure out why. They give you two gigs of free email, they have a very nice messenger. They let you create a very nice portal of your own choosing. They give you a calender and other productivity apps. They let you publish your resume on line. They let you make your own home page. They have the firefox toolbar (and ie). They have IP telephony (costs too much but it's integrated with messenger). The list goes on and on.
Google gets all the hype, yahoo gets no respect. I wonder why.
You give the 90% of the people too much credit. The 90% of the people will use whatever you shove down their throats. They may bitch, they may moan but they will never ever spend even an iota of time trying to get something else to even make a choice.
Just shove something down their throats and they will eat it. Go ask any random computer user if they made a conscious choice to use the software they have on their machine. The answer is no.
Corporations understand this very well. that's why in most fast food restaurants, movies, amusement parks etc you are not allowed to choose between coke and pepsi. The soda companies have signed exclusive deals to shove their product down the consumers throat (literally in this case). The consumer? Here is how the conversation goes...
"I'll have a burger and a diet coke". "We only have diet pepsi". "Ok whatever".
Yes, the rates are two cents USD (1.7 cents euro). That's way less then what sipphone charges. For example sipphone charges 4.8 cents to france, 6 cents to New Zealand and four cents to germany. Those are two to three times as much money.
Now that yahoo messenger supports ip telephony you can use the yahoo messenger to make calls from your mac. Too bad they charge more then skype or sipphone though.
if you look at ssh keys they are tied to a domain. So I claim to web site X that I am killjoe@slashdot.com and do a key exchange. The site then fingers killjoe@slashdot.com which gives them my public key. The site takes the public key from the finger and encrypts something to send me. I decrypt it and then re-encrypt it using their public key and send it to them. If they get what they gave you then voila, everything is kosher.
Easy, I AM A GENIOUS, behold the next big thing!. It's finger that gives out public keys.
If you notice the phone rates are higher for sipphone then skype. Skype gives you most of europe, australia, NZ, US and canada for two cents a minute. Skype also costs less for all other countries I checked.
So for Michael the money is going to come for calls ending at regular phones. The platform is the telephone, not so much the computer.
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Have any of those people started a "freedom to innovate" campaign and released dozens of press releases touting what innovative people they are?
By the way if you don't think free software innovates you are just plain ignorant of what's going on out there.
Well they do decrease productivity because they eat up ram and chew CPU cycles.
Personally I think GUIs make people less productive but I know I am in the minority in that regard. GUIs make things easier to learn but harder to use.
" professionalism in open source is something that should be encouraged."
What part of professionalism says that you should call open source devleopers communists, hippies, krishnas and ministers?
You are confusing sleazy and unethical business as practised in the US with professionalism. Most business people are sleazebags who will do anything to anybody to make a buck. Marc and people like him feel that if they insult and irritate their "vendors" (open source developers in this case) they will get a better deal. Of course in this case it won't work, in anything your typical sleazebag business tactics will probably backfire on him.
I find it amazing how home people think it's evil to produce code for free but it's perfecly OK to call people hippies and communists just because they are generous. It shows how twisted the value systems of americans have become.
"This guy is following the license and spirit of the GPL, and making money doing it. People should be patting him on the back, not giving him a hard time."
He is making money off of open source. He should be patting open source on the back, not giving them a hard time.
I see that you have an arabic name so I am curious. Did you mean communist as in "not a religious fundamentalist"? I remember Osama Bin Laden calling Saddam Hussein a "communist" because he was a secular leader who disliked religious fundamentalists. Apparently in the arabic culture people who are secular are called communists sometimes.
I don't want to try and judge you by yoru name, after all you might have said communist because you are a right wing zealot pulling out the old redbaiting tactics to try and win arguments. It's a commonly used shortcut of ideological zealots whose minds are not allowed to reach some conclusions that are against their rigid belief systems.
I have news for you. 75% of all businesses fail. That's right go look it up. There is no magic formula for guaranteed success, you try things, most of the time you fail, occationally you succeed.
The difference between open source and business is that in open source your failures belong to the community. All that failure is visible so people can learn from it, can take ideas, bits and pieces from it and try again. In business you don't have that.
"The alternative is they give you nothing, you starve, someone spends all their free time writing another damn e-mail client or content management system in PHP."
Until I open up the paper and read about starving programmers I'll just presume you are lying and spreading FUD here.
Well I suppose if you have no counter argument you can always lie.
That's because MS was able to impact the profits of NS by dumping a crappy IE free for years. MS executives called this strategy "cutting off the oxygen supply" It was a sleazy, brutal, illegal and supremely unethical act and eventually they settled a suit about it.
So don't take the supposed superiority of IE out of context. It's hard to keep pumping money into a product when the monoply is shoving the competing product down everybodies throat and spending billions on it.
If the US felt that there was a real danger of being accidentally nuked they would aggressively pursue disarmament. Again that's a good thing. Ideally the Chinese would set up space based nukes sitting on top of the US where the missiles could hit withing 10 to 20 seconds and cause instant annhilation of the country.
If that happened the US would do everything in it's power to get rid of all th enukes in the world. Until then the US feels like it has the capacity to destroy other countries while minimizing the risk to it's own citizens. Therefore there is no reason to disarm.
I hope and prey that the chinese (or anybody) can achieve the ability to kill all americans within seconds. Until that happens the world will forever be in risk from nuclear weapons.
that's the way it works in la la land. In la la land it also never rains and all the leaders are good honest people who just want the best for their subjects.
In the real world you get a call from a collection agency telling you that you owe 120 dollars for a video tape you returned six months ago. Oddly enough the rental place does not give receipts when you return a video, just when you take it out. They can prove you rented the video and you can't prove you returned it.
"It decreases time of flight to target. It makes it harder for a ballistic missile defense system like SDI/Star Wars to successfully intercept because you won't have huge friggin ground launch signatures to warn you and give you accurate trajectory estimates, you'll just have much smaller de-orbit burns that make detection and prediction much harder, with a smaller event window in which to do it. It's an inevitable result of the return of the US missile defense project."
That's a good thing. It continues the highly effective mutual assured destruction paradigm until the US finds a way to stop those missiles. The minute one country can stop the other countries missiles nuclear war is more likely.
"So you're left with a missile defense system that's incapable of defending against a Chinese attack, and also completely useless against terrorists who would deliver a nuke through shipping. Why did you spend those billions again?"
There is no rational basis for US defense spending. It's the product of a system where the tax dollars are siphoned off to defense contractors in exchange for bribes and votes. It has nothing to do with the defense of the nation.
"So everybody becomes even more trigger happy as they realize they have less reaction time available than before. Bet that doomsday clock advances a few minutes as a result."
Again I tend the disagree. MAD has served us well and will serve us in the future. As long as the US is afraid it might get nuked it will stay away from nations that have that capacity and stick to attacking defenseless countries like iraq and afghanistan.
So? How much difference does it make where the nuke is launched from?
"Kind of ironic that I hate all 4 of those things you mentioned, then, isn't it?"
You can hate it all you want you are still a socialist if you have participated in them. If you attended public schools, will get social security, worked for a business that got govt subsidies or even ate subsidized food and drank municipal water you are a socialist.
"I'd say he's a Green judging from his website. He suggests boycotting Coca Cola, which, despite what socialists may say, is actually a very capitalistic action, but also seems to be one of those wackos that think Bush stole the election."
Green? What the hell is that? Is like "pink". I still don't get it though. He is calling for a boycott of Coca Cola. You admit that this is a capitalist endevor and yet you present as proof that he is anti capitalist? That makes no sense.
As for bush I too believe Bush stole the election. So do billions of other people in the world. Does believing that the voting machines were rigged in Ohio by the company which promised bush the election make you anti capitalist? What does that have anything to do with capitalism?
"I don't care about karma on this website, and I'm not going to censor myself just to try to fit in with the political views of the majority of Slashdot. RMS, and other like him, who find it necessary to have active political agendas with regards to coding, are indeed "wackos" and "crackpots"."
That's awefully brave of you. Willing yourself not to censor yourself so you won't lose karma. Where would this world be without the bravery of people like you. Thank the lord there are brave souls like you around who don't censor what they say. I bet you singlehandedly destroyed a thousand terrorist cells with your bravery today.
You know what? You sound like a wacko and a crackpot to me.
"I've seen GPL projects that die because they target a commercial audience that won't touch a GPL. "
The GPL only effects companies that write code.
The GPL only effects companies that distribute the code that they have written.
I haven't done the surveys but my instinct tell me that that's less then one tenth of one percent of all companies in the world.
Thanks to FUDsters like you and bill gates though lost of CIOs think that the GPL will effect them even if they don't write code let alone redistribute.
What has RMS said that makes you believe he is not a capitalist.
I should add here that nobody is really a capitalist. People adhere to some level of capitalism but even in the US we have anti capitalist things like public schools, medicare, social security, subsidies for business etc. In real life nobody is a capitalist, everybody is a socialist more or less.
Those companies as a rule don't distribute their code. For internal use only there is no difference between the GPL and BSD licenses. The GPL only kicks in when you distribute the code to others.
.001% of all companies in the world which actually write and distribute code.
This whole debate is only applicable to the
1) Announce that you will move mount fuji any day now. .....wait four years.
.... Wait two years.
2) Announce that the competition will never be able move mount fuji and that once you move mount fuji there is a real chance they will go out of business.
3) Announce that since you will move mount fuji any day now it makes no sense to buy anything from a competitor.
4) Announce that you will not be moving all of mount fuji just "the important parts"
5) Announce that you have already moved part of mount fuji and show the press a bucket of dirt.
6) Get a truckload of dirt from mount fuji, dump it in redmond and proudly announce that you have successfully moved mount fuji.
7) Keep claiming that MS has moved mount fuji and that it's the most innovative and amazing thing ever done by anybody anywhere. Pay ZDNET lots of money to repeat that announcement five times a day for six months.
8) Voila! MS has moved mount fuji, anybody who claims otherwise is a communist, hippie, terrorist.
Why did you leave out the barbaric things happening to the palestenians? For every israeli killed by a palestenian there are two to three palestenians killed by israelis.
For that matter the barbaric things happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Just because an army does the killing it doesn't make it right.
Yahoo does not get much respect here on slashdot but I can't figure out why. They give you two gigs of free email, they have a very nice messenger. They let you create a very nice portal of your own choosing. They give you a calender and other productivity apps. They let you publish your resume on line. They let you make your own home page. They have the firefox toolbar (and ie). They have IP telephony (costs too much but it's integrated with messenger). The list goes on and on.
Google gets all the hype, yahoo gets no respect. I wonder why.
Yes you are. skype is .02 to france, germany, and UK.
You give the 90% of the people too much credit. The 90% of the people will use whatever you shove down their throats. They may bitch, they may moan but they will never ever spend even an iota of time trying to get something else to even make a choice.
Just shove something down their throats and they will eat it. Go ask any random computer user if they made a conscious choice to use the software they have on their machine. The answer is no.
Corporations understand this very well. that's why in most fast food restaurants, movies, amusement parks etc you are not allowed to choose between coke and pepsi. The soda companies have signed exclusive deals to shove their product down the consumers throat (literally in this case). The consumer? Here is how the conversation goes...
"I'll have a burger and a diet coke".
"We only have diet pepsi".
"Ok whatever".
Yes, the rates are two cents USD (1.7 cents euro). That's way less then what sipphone charges. For example sipphone charges 4.8 cents to france, 6 cents to New Zealand and four cents to germany. Those are two to three times as much money.
Now that yahoo messenger supports ip telephony you can use the yahoo messenger to make calls from your mac. Too bad they charge more then skype or sipphone though.
if you look at ssh keys they are tied to a domain. So I claim to web site X that I am killjoe@slashdot.com and do a key exchange. The site then fingers killjoe@slashdot.com which gives them my public key. The site takes the public key from the finger and encrypts something to send me. I decrypt it and then re-encrypt it using their public key and send it to them. If they get what they gave you then voila, everything is kosher.
Easy, I AM A GENIOUS, behold the next big thing!. It's finger that gives out public keys.
If you notice the phone rates are higher for sipphone then skype. Skype gives you most of europe, australia, NZ, US and canada for two cents a minute. Skype also costs less for all other countries I checked.
So for Michael the money is going to come for calls ending at regular phones. The platform is the telephone, not so much the computer.