... and threaten to move out. If MSFT leaves or even reduces force, greater Seattle's retail and real estate would be crippled, not to mention sales tax and property tax revenues. I'd like to see those taxes paid too, but unfortunately MSFT has the greater bargaining chip here.
The parent is hardly "insightful". Have you been to Redmond? Microsoft doesn't own just a few buildings there and in the rest of Puget Sound. Microsoft isn't going anywhere, it's not feasable from a practical standpoint. Microsoft doesn't have a "bargaining chip" about moving when the threat to leave simply isn't realistic.
Very true indeed. Every time an enterprise upgrades their version of IE, everything in the enterprise dependent on IE stops working which means another cycle of development at the enterprise.
While it's true that many "enterprise" apps make use of ActiveX, it seems kind of stupid to design a Web app that depends on a spacific version of an application known to update every few years (like a browser).
...if Google is going to pull the embrace, extend and extinguish routine on Microsoft. I hope I live to see that day.
Well, it should certainly be embarrassing for the IE development group at MS to have their Arch Nemesis add these features to their product. Chair throwing time? But what could be holding Microsoft back? It's not like they don't hire phd coders just like Google, both places are swimming in overachievers. Must be a management problem...
We all know that Linux is great on hackers' workstations and on servers and in computing clusters, but not so great as a desktop system for average users.
We do? Well, we're not really talking about Linux here, we're talking about Apple, which is a whole different ball game. But as to your Linux comments, people repeat these anecdotes so many times, they are taken as fact even though there is really not much to back them up. Recent Ubuntu and Red Hat offerings (and to a lessor extent SuSE and Mandriva) prove this tired anecdote to be essentially no longer true. Just because the Über Geeks use Debian, *BSD, or roll their own doesn't mean that's a true representation of the current state of consumer and enterprise desktop Linux.
Considering the current options, what methodologies do admins adhere to? Given the current selection of tools available, what would you recommend when planning, prototyping, and rolling out a robust, modular deployment scenario?
Just ask the random basement dwelling momma's boys at Slashdot, reformat their expert advice (using Open Office, of course), and start planning how to spend your pay raise!
Seriously, is this the place "professionals" seek such advice? Scarry.
As long as we are trying to sell Linux as Windows without the annoyances of Windows, we will fail...
Works for Apple. Remember, you have to step back from the "geek" view. Fact is nongeek users know Windows. They want "Windows without the annoyances of Windows" - this is exactly what Apple sells to the consumer. "We" don't need to sell Linux to geeks, they bought it a long time ago. We "need" to sell Linux to consumers who exactly want "Windows without the annoyances of Windows".
I believe that your approach is what "we" are already doing, and it hassn't worked very well.
Look, first we sell them "Windows without the annoyances of Windows", then we educate them on how Linux is different than Windows, how Linux is not just free Windows.
I am astonished that dead fish, or even live fish for that matter, would be interested in any way in pictures of people. Pictures of fish, maybe. But I think salmon, rather than thinking about what fish were thinking, would be thinking, "Can I eat that?" (answer: "No, you're dead.")
Is this the same DOJ that has been packed with "ex" Microsoft lawyers?
You have to understand that lawyers are mercenary. They push the views of who ever is paying for their $3000 suits. That these guys once worked for Microsoft really doesn't say much, they work for the DoJ now so there's no telling who they are looking out for, but it isn't necessarily Microsoft.
The contract is: you make it public, eventually it will be public domain.
The founding fathers give you a limited time to control it, and the moment you created it, you accepted the contract. If you don't want people copying it, keep it locked up. Otherwise, it will eventually be public domain and you get no say in the matter. Don't like it? Move to another country.
The Google Agreement also covers books where Google can't seem to find the copyright holder. That Google can't find them doesn't mean that the holder's rights disappear. This is all just a big land grab by Google, and you know perfectly well that if it had been Microsoft, the cries here would be deafening.
Summary: OMG searchable books! Think of the copyright holders!
So you think it's OK for Google to co-opt my rights as an author to control my work - for profit - without either my permission or compensation? What then is my motivation to produce for distribution future works?
And today, they report that they are suing the potential buyers of Skype as well.
The reason the developer/owners are doing this is that they want to cash cow back. They are really trying to intimidate anyone thinking of buying Skype, and intimidating the current owners to sell to them.
Well, as brought up elsewhere in this thread, perhaps they are not using a capacitor in there with a bridge rectifier and so ignoring half of the 50/60 Hz cycle (also turning the LED on and off very fast). This might reduce its life... I am not an EE, so I could have no clue...
Doesn't matter. Once the cat is out of the bag in Massachusetts, that "proprietary" information will spread throughout the repair industry along with the aftermarket machines to read and manipulate the computers.
Power Sellers have dropped by the thousands, including myself...
I'm OK with that. "Power Sellers" bury individual "real people" sellers with their flood, no, tsunami of Chinese crap drop shipped from the same distributers... A lot of the same shrink wrapped crap-ola found in discount malls, flea markets, state fairs... Wal-Mart - you get the idea, not real auctions, mostly "Buy It Now" crap. In other words, all the stuff that makes eBay worthless and hard to find the real stuff.
5. A plethora of linux distributions makes it difficult to choose.
People say this all the time, but really there are only a hand-full that make it to the corporate level - Red Hat, SuSE, and their derivatives like OpenSuSE and CentOS, and maybe Mandriva and Ubantu. Make your app work with these four, and you've hit 90% of the business installs.
Server farms may be using things like *BSD, but these machines are usually built by hand without automagic package managers.
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Original poster speaking here. If you don't think they can move, check out a place like Flint, Michigan
Flint died because Steel and Auto died. It is not in any way the same situation.
... and threaten to move out. If MSFT leaves or even reduces force, greater Seattle's retail and real estate would be crippled, not to mention sales tax and property tax revenues. I'd like to see those taxes paid too, but unfortunately MSFT has the greater bargaining chip here.
The parent is hardly "insightful". Have you been to Redmond? Microsoft doesn't own just a few buildings there and in the rest of Puget Sound. Microsoft isn't going anywhere, it's not feasable from a practical standpoint. Microsoft doesn't have a "bargaining chip" about moving when the threat to leave simply isn't realistic.
Very true indeed. Every time an enterprise upgrades their version of IE, everything in the enterprise dependent on IE stops working which means another cycle of development at the enterprise.
While it's true that many "enterprise" apps make use of ActiveX, it seems kind of stupid to design a Web app that depends on a spacific version of an application known to update every few years (like a browser).
...if Google is going to pull the embrace, extend and extinguish routine on Microsoft. I hope I live to see that day.
Well, it should certainly be embarrassing for the IE development group at MS to have their Arch Nemesis add these features to their product. Chair throwing time? But what could be holding Microsoft back? It's not like they don't hire phd coders just like Google, both places are swimming in overachievers. Must be a management problem...
We all know that Linux is great on hackers' workstations and on servers and in computing clusters, but not so great as a desktop system for average users.
We do? Well, we're not really talking about Linux here, we're talking about Apple, which is a whole different ball game. But as to your Linux comments, people repeat these anecdotes so many times, they are taken as fact even though there is really not much to back them up. Recent Ubuntu and Red Hat offerings (and to a lessor extent SuSE and Mandriva) prove this tired anecdote to be essentially no longer true. Just because the Über Geeks use Debian, *BSD, or roll their own doesn't mean that's a true representation of the current state of consumer and enterprise desktop Linux.
Considering the current options, what methodologies do admins adhere to? Given the current selection of tools available, what would you recommend when planning, prototyping, and rolling out a robust, modular deployment scenario?
Just ask the random basement dwelling momma's boys at Slashdot, reformat their expert advice (using Open Office, of course), and start planning how to spend your pay raise!
Seriously, is this the place "professionals" seek such advice? Scarry.
New programs are created all the time for Windows and Linux. In fact, most days. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CARE JUST BECAUSE ITS ON THE IPHAIL?
Because God wrote it?
Works for Apple. Remember, you have to step back from the "geek" view. Fact is nongeek users know Windows. They want "Windows without the annoyances of Windows" - this is exactly what Apple sells to the consumer . "We" don't need to sell Linux to geeks, they bought it a long time ago. We "need" to sell Linux to consumers who exactly want "Windows without the annoyances of Windows".
I believe that your approach is what "we" are already doing, and it hassn't worked very well.
Look, first we sell them "Windows without the annoyances of Windows", then we educate them on how Linux is different than Windows, how Linux is not just free Windows.
I am astonished that dead fish, or even live fish for that matter, would be interested in any way in pictures of people. Pictures of fish, maybe. But I think salmon, rather than thinking about what fish were thinking, would be thinking, "Can I eat that?" (answer: "No, you're dead.")
Is this the same DOJ that has been packed with "ex" Microsoft lawyers?
You have to understand that lawyers are mercenary. They push the views of who ever is paying for their $3000 suits. That these guys once worked for Microsoft really doesn't say much, they work for the DoJ now so there's no telling who they are looking out for, but it isn't necessarily Microsoft.
The contract is: you make it public, eventually it will be public domain. The founding fathers give you a limited time to control it, and the moment you created it, you accepted the contract. If you don't want people copying it, keep it locked up. Otherwise, it will eventually be public domain and you get no say in the matter. Don't like it? Move to another country.
The Google Agreement also covers books where Google can't seem to find the copyright holder. That Google can't find them doesn't mean that the holder's rights disappear. This is all just a big land grab by Google, and you know perfectly well that if it had been Microsoft, the cries here would be deafening.
So you think it's OK for you to maintain control of your out-of-print and otherwise unavailable work ad-infinitum?
Yes. It's mine, I made it. Why should I *not* have a say over work that *I* created?
Summary: OMG searchable books! Think of the copyright holders!
So you think it's OK for Google to co-opt my rights as an author to control my work - for profit - without either my permission or compensation? What then is my motivation to produce for distribution future works?
And today, they report that they are suing the potential buyers of Skype as well.
The reason the developer/owners are doing this is that they want to cash cow back. They are really trying to intimidate anyone thinking of buying Skype, and intimidating the current owners to sell to them.
Well, as brought up elsewhere in this thread, perhaps they are not using a capacitor in there with a bridge rectifier and so ignoring half of the 50/60 Hz cycle (also turning the LED on and off very fast). This might reduce its life... I am not an EE, so I could have no clue...
Too bad it isn't national.
Doesn't matter. Once the cat is out of the bag in Massachusetts, that "proprietary" information will spread throughout the repair industry along with the aftermarket machines to read and manipulate the computers.
Are these damn players becoming like cell phones? Do app stores matter? Makes no sense to me.
Here's what these music / video players need: An app to make them into a smart phone. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Slashdot has certainly become the place to read Microsoft Astroturf, lately.
I will join any class action lawsuit out there in an effort to get reinstated on ebay.
Dude... You sound like you need an intervention...
Power Sellers have dropped by the thousands, including myself...
I'm OK with that. "Power Sellers" bury individual "real people" sellers with their flood, no, tsunami of Chinese crap drop shipped from the same distributers... A lot of the same shrink wrapped crap-ola found in discount malls, flea markets, state fairs... Wal-Mart - you get the idea, not real auctions, mostly "Buy It Now" crap. In other words, all the stuff that makes eBay worthless and hard to find the real stuff.
I'd still love to know the secret [of how to get an MS internship].
Big lips and a slack jaw.
5. A plethora of linux distributions makes it difficult to choose.
People say this all the time, but really there are only a hand-full that make it to the corporate level - Red Hat, SuSE, and their derivatives like OpenSuSE and CentOS, and maybe Mandriva and Ubantu. Make your app work with these four, and you've hit 90% of the business installs.
Server farms may be using things like *BSD, but these machines are usually built by hand without automagic package managers.
Skype is on the way out. "Jumped the shark". The new owners clearly misunderstand why people use Skype.
Symantec will calculate your net worth on the black market
I went there and it told me I owed it money...
Or maybe it's humping COCAINE from South America now...