commitment to commandline on a workstation might be looked at as something weird - but for servers it's a lot better. servers just have to sit there and do their work, so :
1. cli takes less resources; 2. cli is a lot faster over slow connections (like resolving a problem from a deep countrside over crappy phone line); 3. it allows more flexibility - like mass converting user mailboxes, converting a bunch of images and a lot of other jobs.
for some more information-intensive tasks there can be gui applications that are run on a workstation but connect to some process at server - but what's the reason to have a gui on a server if you anyway tackle it only twice a year ?
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also keeping shift while clicking on contextual menu item does the same.
btw, there was an issue where they (kde) proposed to change menu item from 'move to trash' to 'delete' if shift key is held. small, but nice change:)
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that must be distribution-dependant, as my kde (slackware) has no such an icon on desktop. not that i use my desktop often - maybe once a month;)
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uh... slick reminds me of kde 1... actually i liky crystal iconset - and it does not remind me of windows (though lately i haven't seen a lot of windows boxes, only one win98).
also themes - i chose plastik some time before it became default and was really pleased with that decision.
anyway, if you don't like iconset/colours - what's the problem ? just change them on first boot and forget. especially as they are already included with kde.
there are uses for both of these methods. i prefer ok/apply/cancel buttons in preferences - they are simple, provide all needed functionality and are very easy to grasp even for first time users.
then there are cases where i prefer verbs (for example, oo.org offers you a choice of save/discard/cancel when closing unsaved document)
speaking about wording of discard/don't save - i prefer discard (or "discard changes"). don't save might look like it would allow you to continue editing (though actually cancel would do that). actually, there is an inconsistency in gimp 2.2.8 - if you close a single image, it asks you wether you want to save/don't save or cancel. if you close gimp itself and there are unsaved images, it offers to discard changes and to cancel. i would prefer 'discard changes' for a single image, too.
also i prefer having cancel at the far right - it's the only action that changes nothing, so it should be the most obvious.
i have been bitten several times by differences between mc/far (when i switched) - their confirmation dialog starts by defaulting to far left button and button order differs... if you have developed a habit of pressing f10-enter pressing f10-right-enter results in a loss of all changes. unpleasant. so i would prefer unified placement of confirmation/cancelling/discarding/applying buttons between applications.
oh crap. storage media dialog is something i just hate on those rare occasions i get to work with windows;)
i understand that some users might like it, but i really hope it will be possible to disable this feature globally and i won't have to disable it for every new type of media i insert.
from all listed things i like desktop pager improvements the most - i've been hoping something similar would be implemented. nice =)
uh. beware - slackware is not your usual user-targeted distro;)
you will have to edit some config files manually, you will have to track ALL dependancies manually and there are very few premade packages (relatively spekaing) so you will have to compile a lot from sources (i suggest using checkinstall that is included in slackware to track these packages).
if you manage to get it working you probably will get more experience and a lot of freedom with your system (but in an easier way than linuxfromscratch;) ) - if not, it still should be a good experience. good luck:)
ok, you probably should have given this scenario to begin with:)
i am using slackware, where i get no dependancy management at all, so i probably won't be able to comment much on this.
but remember that these are problems that you have encountered with a particular version of a paricular distribution, i've heard that some distributions that offer dependancy tracking are very good at it.
sorry that you got a bad experience - did you report exact problems in ubuntu bugzilla or whatever they are using ? what was the response ?
this is happening through whole industry (and all other industries as well) - artificially reduced life span for everything.
it is possible to design compatible, long lasting technologies - but that would reduce profits. there is no long term thinking for consumer goods - of course, that's bad for environment, but who cares if only short term profit is ok ?
i've been thinking about a new computer - but when i try to select some fundamental parts to build around, i start to doubt. what disks shoulod i choose ? sata ? how long will this standard last ? what type of memory ? what motherboard factor ? what type of extension cards (ethernet, videi, sound etc) ?
for me also a big problem is interoperability - previously it was easy to test components by swapping them - change video, network, psu and check that mb again. also getting some system on feet fast was a lot easier because almost all parts were identical.
now there's a problem of finding the correct keyboard (because when i find an at, i need ps/2 and vice versa), finding correct ram is almost impossible - soon video and other cards will be incompatible with existing sets.
what about dvd* ? how long will which standard last (as can be seen, soon there will be another...) ? which of them will be the best bet for backwards compatibility ?
i plan to buy a new computer after a couple of months, but i am heavily puzzled wether that is a good idea (i'm already sure that's a bad investment;) ).
Firefox - comes prepackaged with most distros now, even with slackware. if not, there is a simple installer that, as far as i know, does not interfere with other listed software.
OpenOffice - comes prepackaged with some distros, 1.1 versions have their own installer, 1.9 are distributed as rpms for now, hopefully there will be other builds when it goes final. as far as i know, does not interfere with other listed software.
VLC - this was a media player, right ? i'm using mplayer, but i once installed vlc to see what it's like. had no problems with other listed software.
XMMS - i'm using it very day. no problems with other software.
ACPI - this actually is a kernel functionality, and i have no idea how that is related to other listed software.
Fluxbox (or Gnome) - ok, i use kde, but again - what's the problem with it in combination with other listed things ?
there definitely are problems with linux - like multiple sound streams on cheap soundcards (running some apps simultanously with sound output sometimes might be impossible), some power saving features don't work on particular closed hardware and so on - but then we should mention real things - or you probably should have given exact problems you are experiencing instead of giving a list of software that people are running just fine;)
they don't have to put more money/resources if you count them per copy sold.
software market is interesting because you basically have no expenses for every copy sold (let's not count cd expenses;) ), so selling more increases profit margin per unit radically.
it's not whowers he is suggesting to avoid, it's axcessive things that get you sterile environment - but eventually you will get exposed to normal environment and as a result you might easily get permanent health problems.
i must admit that i'm living in quite unhigienic environment (5 cats don't help much) - my biggest health problems for several years have been my back & eyes.
last time when i had a disease was some 5 or 6 years ago - it was parotitis (hope i got this one correct...). and i had it in a very weak form.
you can also see proof for parents opinion in animals if you look around. there are pets (cats, dogs) that live outside - they basically can handle almost anything nature throws at them. then you get home pets that get slightly bitten in a paw and you must take care of them for a week just to keep them from dying.
so, i'm all for normal hygiene (and i believe parent will agree with me), but it seems that having sterile environment (where you must buy a lot of remedies to achieve it) is a business plan - you buy that soap and other things, then you get easily sick, you pay a lot for additional medicine and so on.
well, i tend to believe that situation would be a lot better.
there is no such thing as "single, united (sic) linux" - there are a bunch of applications (web browsing, email), different kernel versions, different configurations (either user created or differing by distribution).
then there's a possibility to finetune everything so that nothing unneeded runs (though average user won't do that, distributors are shipping systems with less and less stuff enabled by default).
of course, there will be more and more rootkits and exploits, but in the meaning of viruses or worms - i doubt it. linux is pretty widespread in servers - shouldn't there be a lot of worms ? shouldn't apache (i suppose this is about opensource overall) get automatically distributing worms at an alarming rate ?
anyway, i hope we'll see wether widespread usage will increase lin/gnu/os malware;)
i've had similar, though maybe not so bad experience.
i also am using fujitsu-siemens laptop (lifebook c series). been using for about 2 years.
during this time it also has a crack in upper panel (not that it makes it unusable, but unpleasant anyway).
first problem was keyboard working bad (some keys started to work only on hard pressing). this was a fast replace.
two times it had problems with display (probably backlight died) - last time repairs were 5 weeks.
biggest problem was something wis a motherboard.
it started as mysterious problems when using it for longer periods with memory-intensive software. tested it with memtest - yep, some problems at mb 512 (has 1024mb of ram). gave in for repairs. got back very fast (additionally cd-rw drive was replaced, as it damaged all media). seemed nice, until i found out that the problem still was there.
first hand support was by some local company that i asked what was done with it. turned out, they had put in some hdd with windows on it (i have linux installed), run it for some time, found no problems -> did nothing. damn. told them how to find the problem with memtest - they told me that they have no software to test for memory errors (!) and they tested it by running windows. local company was more responsive and replaced one memory stick (turned out it was bad). problem still remained. in the end they changed mainboard and the problem is gone now, though that took me almost half a year to get them change it and a lot of testing with memtest (and before that - a lot of strange crashing etc).
except these problems it has been running ok, though there is no official support from fuj-siem (for example, more information to kernel developers or some devs of their own that would contribute to projects).
so - i would not recommend getting a laptop from them unless they seriously improve support for linux (i still haven't got suspend working...)
and they are able to actually run some programms, too;) (if you remove the disk, there is no way for them to run anything that is not read from the disc already, so it's pretty useless)
while reading it, it seems so strange how polite both linus (in previous interview) and Christos Zoulas (netbsd) can be - especially in contrast to raadt.
well, there are some poeple in companies that are never ever again allowed to speak publicly after a single sentence - not so if you own the company, i suppose;)
when i was a kid i knew morse (although i had to think for some not-so-often-used letters). now i can just remember that 'e' was single symbol, though i don't even remember was it . or -:/
this story might get into mainstream sortals, so that morse might get learned by some teenagers;)
oh, btw, i have no idea who the hell was 3rd us president. guess which country you come from;)
even some older guys (highschool here, college for americans) can pump in messages like crazy. although i consider myself pretty familiar with electronic input deivces, waching how they just fly over those nine buttons...
well, no wonder, usually they send several dozens of messages a day - so these persons are the ones for this job.
actually, in *x a separate user account with write permissions to a single network mounted partition with no-execute bit set might be pretty hard to circumvent for attackers. how would anybody get a user to run something, when he/she even can't do that ?
how old were they ? although i was able to crash almost all builds up to 80-something, after this it bacame harder and harder. 100 and 104 haven't crashed - so far;)
if you can reproduce a crash with latest build, you definitely should file an issue. if you don't tell anyone about the problem, nobody will be able to fix it;)
and i myself am using 1.1., too - there are two showstoppers for me. one is toolbars returning to upper right hand corner after almost every action when using generic widgets. other is removal of "return to editing position". i hope that these problems could be fixed in 2.0.2;)
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commitment to commandline on a workstation might be looked at as something weird - but for servers it's a lot better.
servers just have to sit there and do their work, so :
1. cli takes less resources;
2. cli is a lot faster over slow connections (like resolving a problem from a deep countrside over crappy phone line);
3. it allows more flexibility - like mass converting user mailboxes, converting a bunch of images and a lot of other jobs.
for some more information-intensive tasks there can be gui applications that are run on a workstation but connect to some process at server - but what's the reason to have a gui on a server if you anyway tackle it only twice a year ?
also keeping shift while clicking on contextual menu item does the same.
:)
btw, there was an issue where they (kde) proposed to change menu item from 'move to trash' to 'delete' if shift key is held. small, but nice change
that must be distribution-dependant, as my kde (slackware) has no such an icon on desktop. not that i use my desktop often - maybe once a month ;)
uh... slick reminds me of kde 1...
actually i liky crystal iconset - and it does not remind me of windows (though lately i haven't seen a lot of windows boxes, only one win98).
also themes - i chose plastik some time before it became default and was really pleased with that decision.
anyway, if you don't like iconset/colours - what's the problem ? just change them on first boot and forget. especially as they are already included with kde.
actually last point isn't insignificant. motivation plays a very big role, too bad not many managers are good at it.
:)
and thanks for an interesting read
there are uses for both of these methods.
i prefer ok/apply/cancel buttons in preferences - they are simple, provide all needed functionality and are very easy to grasp even for first time users.
then there are cases where i prefer verbs (for example, oo.org offers you a choice of save/discard/cancel when closing unsaved document)
speaking about wording of discard/don't save - i prefer discard (or "discard changes"). don't save might look like it would allow you to continue editing (though actually cancel would do that). actually, there is an inconsistency in gimp 2.2.8 - if you close a single image, it asks you wether you want to save/don't save or cancel. if you close gimp itself and there are unsaved images, it offers to discard changes and to cancel. i would prefer 'discard changes' for a single image, too.
also i prefer having cancel at the far right - it's the only action that changes nothing, so it should be the most obvious.
i have been bitten several times by differences between mc/far (when i switched) - their confirmation dialog starts by defaulting to far left button and button order differs... if you have developed a habit of pressing f10-enter pressing f10-right-enter results in a loss of all changes. unpleasant. so i would prefer unified placement of confirmation/cancelling/discarding/applying buttons between applications.
oh crap. storage media dialog is something i just hate on those rare occasions i get to work with windows ;)
i understand that some users might like it, but i really hope it will be possible to disable this feature globally and i won't have to disable it for every new type of media i insert.
from all listed things i like desktop pager improvements the most - i've been hoping something similar would be implemented. nice =)
uh. beware - slackware is not your usual user-targeted distro ;)
;) ) - if not, it still should be a good experience. good luck :)
you will have to edit some config files manually, you will have to track ALL dependancies manually and there are very few premade packages (relatively spekaing) so you will have to compile a lot from sources (i suggest using checkinstall that is included in slackware to track these packages).
if you manage to get it working you probably will get more experience and a lot of freedom with your system (but in an easier way than linuxfromscratch
ok, you probably should have given this scenario to begin with :)
i am using slackware, where i get no dependancy management at all, so i probably won't be able to comment much on this.
but remember that these are problems that you have encountered with a particular version of a paricular distribution, i've heard that some distributions that offer dependancy tracking are very good at it.
sorry that you got a bad experience - did you report exact problems in ubuntu bugzilla or whatever they are using ? what was the response ?
oh, it gets even better when we will be able to make fun of "henherds" or whatever they could be called in english ;)
this story lights a cloudy friday evening. microsoft gets funny +5.
and getting windows vista on a corporate desktop might be a fun game, too.
this is happening through whole industry (and all other industries as well) - artificially reduced life span for everything.
;) ).
it is possible to design compatible, long lasting technologies - but that would reduce profits. there is no long term thinking for consumer goods - of course, that's bad for environment, but who cares if only short term profit is ok ?
i've been thinking about a new computer - but when i try to select some fundamental parts to build around, i start to doubt. what disks shoulod i choose ? sata ? how long will this standard last ? what type of memory ? what motherboard factor ? what type of extension cards (ethernet, videi, sound etc) ?
for me also a big problem is interoperability - previously it was easy to test components by swapping them - change video, network, psu and check that mb again. also getting some system on feet fast was a lot easier because almost all parts were identical.
now there's a problem of finding the correct keyboard (because when i find an at, i need ps/2 and vice versa), finding correct ram is almost impossible - soon video and other cards will be incompatible with existing sets.
what about dvd* ? how long will which standard last (as can be seen, soon there will be another...) ? which of them will be the best bet for backwards compatibility ?
i plan to buy a new computer after a couple of months, but i am heavily puzzled wether that is a good idea (i'm already sure that's a bad investment
oh, that wears boots off !
and if you are walking barefoot, you have to count amortisation costs of yourself. you know, wear of skin, food required for muscles and so on...
hmm. let's see.
;)
Firefox - comes prepackaged with most distros now, even with slackware. if not, there is a simple installer that, as far as i know, does not interfere with other listed software.
OpenOffice - comes prepackaged with some distros, 1.1 versions have their own installer, 1.9 are distributed as rpms for now, hopefully there will be other builds when it goes final. as far as i know, does not interfere with other listed software.
VLC - this was a media player, right ? i'm using mplayer, but i once installed vlc to see what it's like. had no problems with other listed software.
XMMS - i'm using it very day. no problems with other software.
ACPI - this actually is a kernel functionality, and i have no idea how that is related to other listed software.
Fluxbox (or Gnome) - ok, i use kde, but again - what's the problem with it in combination with other listed things ?
there definitely are problems with linux - like multiple sound streams on cheap soundcards (running some apps simultanously with sound output sometimes might be impossible), some power saving features don't work on particular closed hardware and so on - but then we should mention real things - or you probably should have given exact problems you are experiencing instead of giving a list of software that people are running just fine
they don't have to put more money/resources if you count them per copy sold.
;) ), so selling more increases profit margin per unit radically.
software market is interesting because you basically have no expenses for every copy sold (let's not count cd expenses
it's not whowers he is suggesting to avoid, it's axcessive things that get you sterile environment - but eventually you will get exposed to normal environment and as a result you might easily get permanent health problems.
i must admit that i'm living in quite unhigienic environment (5 cats don't help much) - my biggest health problems for several years have been my back & eyes.
last time when i had a disease was some 5 or 6 years ago - it was parotitis (hope i got this one correct...). and i had it in a very weak form.
you can also see proof for parents opinion in animals if you look around. there are pets (cats, dogs) that live outside - they basically can handle almost anything nature throws at them. then you get home pets that get slightly bitten in a paw and you must take care of them for a week just to keep them from dying.
so, i'm all for normal hygiene (and i believe parent will agree with me), but it seems that having sterile environment (where you must buy a lot of remedies to achieve it) is a business plan - you buy that soap and other things, then you get easily sick, you pay a lot for additional medicine and so on.
well, i tend to believe that situation would be a lot better.
;)
there is no such thing as "single, united (sic) linux" - there are a bunch of applications (web browsing, email), different kernel versions, different configurations (either user created or differing by distribution).
then there's a possibility to finetune everything so that nothing unneeded runs (though average user won't do that, distributors are shipping systems with less and less stuff enabled by default).
of course, there will be more and more rootkits and exploits, but in the meaning of viruses or worms - i doubt it.
linux is pretty widespread in servers - shouldn't there be a lot of worms ? shouldn't apache (i suppose this is about opensource overall) get automatically distributing worms at an alarming rate ?
anyway, i hope we'll see wether widespread usage will increase lin/gnu/os malware
i've had similar, though maybe not so bad experience.
i also am using fujitsu-siemens laptop (lifebook c series). been using for about 2 years.
during this time it also has a crack in upper panel (not that it makes it unusable, but unpleasant anyway).
first problem was keyboard working bad (some keys started to work only on hard pressing). this was a fast replace.
two times it had problems with display (probably backlight died) - last time repairs were 5 weeks.
biggest problem was something wis a motherboard.
it started as mysterious problems when using it for longer periods with memory-intensive software. tested it with memtest - yep, some problems at mb 512 (has 1024mb of ram). gave in for repairs. got back very fast (additionally cd-rw drive was replaced, as it damaged all media). seemed nice, until i found out that the problem still was there.
first hand support was by some local company that i asked what was done with it. turned out, they had put in some hdd with windows on it (i have linux installed), run it for some time, found no problems -> did nothing. damn. told them how to find the problem with memtest - they told me that they have no software to test for memory errors (!) and they tested it by running windows. local company was more responsive and replaced one memory stick (turned out it was bad). problem still remained.
in the end they changed mainboard and the problem is gone now, though that took me almost half a year to get them change it and a lot of testing with memtest (and before that - a lot of strange crashing etc).
except these problems it has been running ok, though there is no official support from fuj-siem (for example, more information to kernel developers or some devs of their own that would contribute to projects).
so - i would not recommend getting a laptop from them unless they seriously improve support for linux (i still haven't got suspend working...)
and they are able to actually run some programms, too ;)
(if you remove the disk, there is no way for them to run anything that is not read from the disc already, so it's pretty useless)
it seems that the interview itself is not linked :? tid=152&tid=8&tid=2
;)
http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/06/09/2132233.shtml
while reading it, it seems so strange how polite both linus (in previous interview) and Christos Zoulas (netbsd) can be - especially in contrast to raadt.
well, there are some poeple in companies that are never ever again allowed to speak publicly after a single sentence - not so if you own the company, i suppose
yes, i do, though sometimes i wonder wether it as --- or ... at the middle ;)
when i was a kid i knew morse (although i had to think for some not-so-often-used letters). now i can just remember that 'e' was single symbol, though i don't even remember was it . or - :/
;)
;)
this story might get into mainstream sortals, so that morse might get learned by some teenagers
oh, btw, i have no idea who the hell was 3rd us president. guess which country you come from
even some older guys (highschool here, college for americans) can pump in messages like crazy. although i consider myself pretty familiar with electronic input deivces, waching how they just fly over those nine buttons...
:)
well, no wonder, usually they send several dozens of messages a day - so these persons are the ones for this job.
too bad morse code is not so popular
actually, in *x a separate user account with write permissions to a single network mounted partition with no-execute bit set might be pretty hard to circumvent for attackers.
how would anybody get a user to run something, when he/she even can't do that ?
how old were they ? ;)
;)
;)
although i was able to crash almost all builds up to 80-something, after this it bacame harder and harder. 100 and 104 haven't crashed - so far
if you can reproduce a crash with latest build, you definitely should file an issue. if you don't tell anyone about the problem, nobody will be able to fix it
and i myself am using 1.1., too - there are two showstoppers for me. one is toolbars returning to upper right hand corner after almost every action when using generic widgets. other is removal of "return to editing position". i hope that these problems could be fixed in 2.0.2
funny, i remember that there was a company named mainsoft which was involved in windows source code leakage ;)