But we're talking about _sea ice_, not Greenland. Sea ice and freshwater ice are different animals when it comes to composition and behavior and general habitat for living creatures. The article is about pack ice.
Polar bears use pack ice. You don't find them on Greenland's ice. Indeed, for polar bears to be able to eat, there _must_ be breaks in the sea ice for seals.
Yes, the same seals that Paul McCartney was "Protecting" are eaten by Ursus Maritimus.
-- BMO
As for penguins, they eat polar bears, as witnessed by the total absence of them in the Antarctic.
"I assume you mean other than actually climbing in your boat and sailing it"
Have someone blindfold you.
Have him or her walk you up to an elephant. Touch the elephant. How big is the elephant? Now it is your job to find the elephant's testicles. You have not been told if the elephant is female or not. You may or may not find testicles because you missed them or because the elephant doesn't have any.
Now you're in your boat. You're looking for the Northwest Passage. You've got the same problem as above, but much, much colder and not quite as fun. Only since the development of such high tech as submarines that can go under the ice pack, and satellites that can fly over, that we could accurately map the ice pack.
"We can extract ice cores and easily date the layers."
No, actually, we can't. You're thinking _ANTARCTIC_ ice layers, not Arctic. Arctic ice is _sea ice_ and as sea ice, it melts and refreezes and it _moves_ all over the damn place.
Arctic sea ice oscillates twice a day.
"Contrary to historical observations, sea ice in the high Arctic undergoes very small, back and forth movements twice a day, even in the dead of winter. It was once believed ice deformation at such a scale was almost non-existent."
And ice cores? The ice at the Arctic was 9 feet thick _at its thickest parts_ back in 1958. Just where are you going to get ice cores?
"http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl9935.html"
"the rate of change is unprecedented"
Prove it. You just pulled that statement _right out of your behind_.
The rate is unprecedented, because _nobody has measured it before_. We've only been measuring since 1958. We don't know if this is a long term cycle or not. There's _not enough data_. Using your thought process, the "Little Ice Age" was "unprecedented"
too, and were that happening today, you'd be screaming about how we're all going to die because we'll all freeze to death.
I stand by my statements, as they're backed up by fact. Your post, however, certainly _is_ handwaving.
"territory is determined by how far a nation's continental shelf extends into the sea. Under the treaty, countries have limited time after ratifying it to map the sea floor and make claims."
Is that why the Danes and Canadians were facing off in the Arctic?
Things make more sense now, with regards to that bit of insanity.
"something that hasn't been possible during most of recorded human history."
1. So it happened earlier in recorded human history? 2. There was technology throughout most of human history that recorded Arctic ice cover? 3. Until aircraft, nuclear submarines, nuclear icebreakers, and satellites were invented, nobody was able to say with certainty whether the Northwest Passage existed or not, which was previously the domain of people like Henry Hudson. Indeed, until the technology existed, nobody could really map the icepack with any decent accuracy.
Sweeping statements like the above are simply stupid, as there is no evidence either way. They do make for good inflammatory copy, though.
Oh yeah, in geological terms, human history is less than the blink of an eye. With fossils unearthed recently showing _tropical_ weather in Northern Canada, I think it's safe to say that the Arctic ice cap is a temporary feature.
The slowdown in ad sales for financial services is because of the trashing *cough* overhauling of the finance message boards, thus driving everyone with at least two brain cells FAR AWAY.
The finance boards have turned into a sewer.
If all you have left is the chucks, the 13 yr olds, and the drunken profane bloggers, just _who_ are you going to sell _FINANCIAL SERVICES_ to?
EH? TERRY?
My gawd, someone needs a fr0h slap.
The next Yahoo advertising push is "What would life be like without Yahoo?"
"Would those have strawberries, whipped cream, and blueberries?
I want some."
The diner a block from me makes them that way in the vague shape of the US flag.
I'm not kidding.
And yes, they _are_ yummy.
To make this on topic, Google directs viewers at the Belgian newspapers, and the Belgian newspapers are then able to extract yet more money from their advertisers. I think to make a point, the other search engines should also boycott Belgian newspapers, because no good can come of this if this sets a precedent.
Since a pram is generally used at walking speed, doesn't anyone think of the baby's safety when it's rolling 30 times faster, i.e., 90 miles/hr or 145kph?
Whatever lawsuit that will be brought up will be dismissed on its face. No criminal laws were broken, and the words and pictures are those of their owners. Libel and slander depend upon falsehoods. Since there were no falsehoods, and the names were not "anonymized", then there is no tort, either.
All the indignation will come to naught but indignation and RFJason will continue to laugh. Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean that you can get compensated for it. If you send naked pictures of your junk to random email addresses for anonymous sex, then you have more problems than other people exposing you.
Seriously, KDE _owns_ Gnome in every way. It's more modular and more useful. It's easier for the user to tweak. It's faster. It would be helpful if the desktop authors simply wrote for KDE instead of having all this duplication of effort. Indeed, the basic reason for Gnome's existence disappeared when Trolltech dual licensed QT under the GPL and their own licenses. The only reason why Gnome is still around is spite fostered by the _KDEMustDie_ extremists who are never willing to ever forgive or forget that Trolltech offended their sensibilities.
I could have posted this anonymously and I will be modded down for this by the GnomePolice, but I really don't give a damn.
Well, it's obvious that _someone_ didn't like my comment about your legal efforts - someone wasted a mod point and sent me into "off topic"
Ah well. I have more karma than they have mod points.:-D
"it pisses me off that a lot of stupid feminists believe that they are better than men simply for being women."
And if you're a guy, you can't say that because you get slammed as a chauvinist neanderthal knuckle-walker.
BTW, I've never been married, so no divorce, but I've seen some friends abused by the system. It's stupid and you're dead-on that this is going to be used as a weapon in divorce proceedings.
We need more people like you.
-- BMO
Haven't you ever heard of Darwin?
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Steve Irwin Dead
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Mr. Irwin, you will be missed, but it's not like we've not seen something like this coming.
If not stingrays, then an 19 foot croc. Similar incidents have happened over the years. Indeed, _this_ was written before the Siegfried's "accident".
The tourists get into their car
And drive through the safari park
There's animals you've only seen in books
And despite the helpful warnings
(You could read them in the dark)
They decide to try and get a closer look
They park the car and lock it cos you're better safe than sorry
They try to make the lions look their way
And in a perfect Kodak moment, they're hunting for their car keys
As the lions come and bid them all good day
And they say: Haven't you ever heard of Darwin?
Did you think we were going to run and hide?
Haven't you ever heard of Darwin?
Don't roll down your car windows
It's a jungle outside
There's white tigers in Las Vegas
Who deign to show their teeth
Sip tea from china to polite applause
As they're weighing up the gamblers
They're either masters or they're meat
Provided they stay arm's length from the paws
And it's very nearly showtime, the magicians warm up backstage
And the sound effects so loud that no-one hears
As one tiger turns to the other and says: "you wanna see some magic?
Tonight it's the magicians disappear!"
And the they say: Haven't they ever heard of Darwin?
Did they think we'd vanish in thin air?
Haven't they ever heard of Darwin?
Don't roll down your car windows
It's a jungle out there
Further down the food chain
Closer to the ground
Scurry all the scavengers at home
You can tidy up the kitchen
And wash all of the plates
But there's always meat left somewhere on the bone
And all our tiny flatmates are waiting to inherit
The legacy we'll leave behind one night
They feed their little habit and wait with perfect patience til
There's no-one left to turn on all the lights
And they'll sing: Hadn't they ever heard of Darwin?
Now we don't have to run and hide
Hadn't they ever heard of Darwin?
Open up the windows, It's a jungle inside
"Preponderance of the evidence" means that the accused has to "prove his innocence" rather than having the burden of proof soley on the Prosecution. This takes "innocent until proven guilty" and defenestrates it.
This is bad law. This is law that the founding fathers warned us about.
"Even after RTFA, I still feel that by choosing GPL I am giving up my freedoms as a developer."
Then don't use it. Duh. Why do people complain about this when they can simply use the BSD license or one made up from scratch? This really is a non-issue.
"Incorporating GPL sections of GNU Code could put you in violation"
If you don't plan to distribute mixed proprietary code and GPLed code, you're not in violation. If you plan to distribute, then write your own code or follow the GPL rules. The bits of code that _other_ people wrote belong to _them_ and _nothing else_ gives you the right to use their code. So play fair or keep it in-house. Seriously.
"even if you do not plan to widely distribute your application you still need to follow the rules."
What do you mean "not widely distribute"? Either you distribute or you keep it within the company. If you don't distribute, you can adapt GPLed code to whatever you need and not disclose a damn thing to anyone.
Just because you can't take and not give back doesn't mean that the GPL is bad. It just means that it's not for you. Use a different license and different code and stop whining.
Climate change is not a myth. Anyone who has gone and looked at global average temperature over the past few million years knows that. Indeed, the fact is that change is the norm and we are at a low end on the chart of global average temperature. Global temperature _must_ go up if you look at historic trends. Only a lunatic would say that global average temperature should be static.
Indeed, Earth has gone from Global Snowball to the current temperatures and a slight downturn can send us right back.
The real kicker is that Humanity doesn't have to be there for that to happen.
So if Climate Change doesn't require Humanity to happen, what _does_ it require?
Eh?
Answer that definitively and you've got yourself a freakin' Nobel.
"for you to get so upset that someone else doesn't buy in to the story that we never went to the moon.."
"No moon base yet? Nothing?!"
The Shuttle and ISS ate everything. There was no funding for a moon base.
You say you're a science and tech nut, but you have never read about or researched as to why things are the way they are today? It's not about the engineering. We have the capability. It's all politics. Want to get a moon base? Campaign for one. Get people to call their congresscritters to fund one. The reason and motivation back in 1969 was the Soviets, and the fact that everyone here was scared to death that if the Soviets gained a foothold on the Moon that we'd lose it forever. Plus the fact that both the US and USSR were poised to nuke the ever-luvin' daylights out of each other. But since the Soviets abandoned the Moon as too expensive in money and lives, so did we after Apollo 17. While Nixon was on the telephone congratulating the astronauts, he was cutting their funding.
"Losing the tapes is the last straw for me. "
Why, because you think that a few 2 inch Quad Ampex tapes were the be-all and end-all of the evidence that we went there? What about the _other_ missions? Eh? What about _all the other stuff_ besides these particular tapes? Until I read this story, I didn't even know these tapes existed, and they're merely higher definition archives of what was broadcast. Historically, they probably have no value in themselves as they wouldn't shed any real new light on the Apollo 11 mission, but they would be nice to have.
With all the stories in the news about corporations and governments losing data to the four winds, you think that NASA misplacing Quad tapes is implausible?
You're not a science and tech nut in the least, or you would already know all this.
One's mind should not be so open as to let the brain fall out. Sir, your brain seems to have fallen out./me picks up your brain, dusts it off, and hands it back to you.
"These people are so vastly different from each other that literally their only unifying characteristic is that they're not mainstream."
No, the unifying aspect is that they're wrong. And so are you. And JREF has yet to pay out the million dollar bounty to anyone able to prove that any aspect of the paranormal exists
Slashdot Mirror
"Ok, not entirely, but Vonage is a completely unencrypted service."
And so is your POTS line
And so is your cellphone
And so is your cordless phone.
Get a scanner. Turn it on. Laugh.
--
BMO
In the US, it is _illegal_ to lie about a competitor's product.
IANAL, but _these guys are_
http://www.poznaklaw.com/articles/falsead.htm (horrid seersucker background, but they're spot on)
If this is true, then Comcast is _hosed_ and I would cheer on Vonage's lawsuit.
--
BMO
And men love women with huge....tracts of land!
--
BMO
"or do they play nice with the MBR now?"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Troll? Funny? Interesting? There are so many ways for you to be modded.
"I think we're beyond blaming incompetence"
It's been over 10 years since they started nuking OS/2 MBRs. There's nothing to think about anymore.
--
BMO
"Greenland, where we get them from"
But we're talking about _sea ice_, not Greenland. Sea ice and freshwater ice are different animals when it comes to composition and behavior and general habitat for living creatures. The article is about pack ice.
Polar bears use pack ice. You don't find them on Greenland's ice. Indeed, for polar bears to be able to eat, there _must_ be breaks in the sea ice for seals.
Yes, the same seals that Paul McCartney was "Protecting" are eaten by Ursus Maritimus.
--
BMO
As for penguins, they eat polar bears, as witnessed by the total absence of them in the Antarctic.
"You do realize that continents move around, right? Plate techtonics and all that. Canada, for example, used to be on the equator."
Funny, not according to _these_ maps...
http://geology.com/pangea.htm
Have a nice day. Really.
--
BMO
"I assume you mean other than actually climbing in your boat and sailing it"
Have someone blindfold you.
Have him or her walk you up to an elephant. Touch the elephant. How big is the elephant? Now it is your job to find the elephant's testicles. You have not been told if the elephant is female or not. You may or may not find testicles because you missed them or because the elephant doesn't have any.
Now you're in your boat. You're looking for the Northwest Passage. You've got the same problem as above, but much, much colder and not quite as fun. Only since the development of such high tech as submarines that can go under the ice pack, and satellites that can fly over, that we could accurately map the ice pack.
--
BMO
"We can extract ice cores and easily date the layers."
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No, actually, we can't. You're thinking _ANTARCTIC_ ice layers, not Arctic. Arctic ice is _sea ice_ and as sea ice, it melts and refreezes and it _moves_ all over the damn place.
Arctic sea ice oscillates twice a day.
"Contrary to historical observations, sea ice in the high Arctic undergoes very small, back and forth movements twice a day, even in the dead of winter. It was once believed ice deformation at such a scale was almost non-existent."
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2004/107.cfm
And there are larger circulations at work, too.
http://nsidc.org/seaice/processes/circulation.htm
And ice cores? The ice at the Arctic was 9 feet thick _at its thickest parts_ back in 1958. Just where are you going to get ice cores?
"http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl9935.html"
"the rate of change is unprecedented"
Prove it. You just pulled that statement _right out of your behind_.
The rate is unprecedented, because _nobody has measured it before_. We've only been measuring since 1958. We don't know if this is a long term cycle or not. There's _not enough data_. Using your thought process, the "Little Ice Age" was "unprecedented"
too, and were that happening today, you'd be screaming about how we're all going to die because we'll all freeze to death.
I stand by my statements, as they're backed up by fact. Your post, however, certainly _is_ handwaving.
--
BMO
You said: "this article about Pat Broe,"
In the article:
"territory is determined by how far a nation's continental shelf extends into the sea. Under the treaty, countries have limited time after ratifying it to map the sea floor and make claims."
Is that why the Danes and Canadians were facing off in the Arctic?
Things make more sense now, with regards to that bit of insanity.
--
BMO
"something that hasn't been possible during most of recorded human history."
1. So it happened earlier in recorded human history?
2. There was technology throughout most of human history that recorded Arctic ice cover?
3. Until aircraft, nuclear submarines, nuclear icebreakers, and satellites were invented, nobody was able to say with certainty whether the Northwest Passage existed or not, which was previously the domain of people like Henry Hudson. Indeed, until the technology existed, nobody could really map the icepack with any decent accuracy.
Sweeping statements like the above are simply stupid, as there is no evidence either way. They do make for good inflammatory copy, though.
Oh yeah, in geological terms, human history is less than the blink of an eye. With fossils unearthed recently showing _tropical_ weather in Northern Canada, I think it's safe to say that the Arctic ice cap is a temporary feature.
--
BMO
The slowdown in ad sales for financial services is because of the trashing *cough* overhauling of the finance message boards, thus driving everyone with at least two brain cells FAR AWAY.
The finance boards have turned into a sewer.
If all you have left is the chucks, the 13 yr olds, and the drunken profane bloggers, just _who_ are you going to sell _FINANCIAL SERVICES_ to?
EH? TERRY?
My gawd, someone needs a fr0h slap.
The next Yahoo advertising push is "What would life be like without Yahoo?"
Well, I'll tell ya, Terry, it's just _wonderful!_
--
BMO - I am not a fucking AVATAR!
"Would those have strawberries, whipped cream, and blueberries?
I want some."
The diner a block from me makes them that way in the vague shape of the US flag.
I'm not kidding.
And yes, they _are_ yummy.
To make this on topic, Google directs viewers at the Belgian newspapers, and the Belgian newspapers are then able to extract yet more money from their advertisers. I think to make a point, the other search engines should also boycott Belgian newspapers, because no good can come of this if this sets a precedent.
There are anti-crawl strings. Use them, guys.
--
BMO
Since a pram is generally used at walking speed, doesn't anyone think of the baby's safety when it's rolling 30 times faster, i.e., 90 miles/hr or 145kph?
Think of the children!
--
BMO
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/SFX5C3.pdf
It's amusing reading, but it's apropos to this.
Whatever lawsuit that will be brought up will be dismissed on its face. No criminal laws were broken, and the words and pictures are those of their owners. Libel and slander depend upon falsehoods. Since there were no falsehoods, and the names were not "anonymized", then there is no tort, either.
All the indignation will come to naught but indignation and RFJason will continue to laugh. Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean that you can get compensated for it. If you send naked pictures of your junk to random email addresses for anonymous sex, then you have more problems than other people exposing you.
--
BMO
Seriously, KDE _owns_ Gnome in every way. It's more modular and more useful. It's easier for the user to tweak. It's faster. It would be helpful if the desktop authors simply wrote for KDE instead of having all this duplication of effort. Indeed, the basic reason for Gnome's existence disappeared when Trolltech dual licensed QT under the GPL and their own licenses. The only reason why Gnome is still around is spite fostered by the _KDEMustDie_ extremists who are never willing to ever forgive or forget that Trolltech offended their sensibilities.
I could have posted this anonymously and I will be modded down for this by the GnomePolice, but I really don't give a damn.
--
BMO
Well, it's obvious that _someone_ didn't like my comment about your legal efforts - someone wasted a mod point and sent me into "off topic"
:-D
Ah well. I have more karma than they have mod points.
"it pisses me off that a lot of stupid feminists believe that they are better than men simply for being women."
And if you're a guy, you can't say that because you get slammed as a chauvinist neanderthal knuckle-walker.
BTW, I've never been married, so no divorce, but I've seen some friends abused by the system. It's stupid and you're dead-on that this is going to be used as a weapon in divorce proceedings.
We need more people like you.
--
BMO
Mr. Irwin, you will be missed, but it's not like we've not seen something like this coming.
If not stingrays, then an 19 foot croc. Similar incidents have happened over the years. Indeed, _this_ was written before the Siegfried's "accident".
Maybe JWH should add a stanza.
BMO fires up the CD player...
Darwin by John Wesley Harding
http://www.wesweb.net/recordings/d4/lyrics.html
The tourists get into their car
And drive through the safari park
There's animals you've only seen in books
And despite the helpful warnings
(You could read them in the dark)
They decide to try and get a closer look
They park the car and lock it cos you're better safe than sorry
They try to make the lions look their way
And in a perfect Kodak moment, they're hunting for their car keys
As the lions come and bid them all good day
And they say: Haven't you ever heard of Darwin?
Did you think we were going to run and hide?
Haven't you ever heard of Darwin?
Don't roll down your car windows
It's a jungle outside
There's white tigers in Las Vegas
Who deign to show their teeth
Sip tea from china to polite applause
As they're weighing up the gamblers
They're either masters or they're meat
Provided they stay arm's length from the paws
And it's very nearly showtime, the magicians warm up backstage
And the sound effects so loud that no-one hears
As one tiger turns to the other and says: "you wanna see some magic?
Tonight it's the magicians disappear!"
And the they say: Haven't they ever heard of Darwin?
Did they think we'd vanish in thin air?
Haven't they ever heard of Darwin?
Don't roll down your car windows
It's a jungle out there
Further down the food chain
Closer to the ground
Scurry all the scavengers at home
You can tidy up the kitchen
And wash all of the plates
But there's always meat left somewhere on the bone
And all our tiny flatmates are waiting to inherit
The legacy we'll leave behind one night
They feed their little habit and wait with perfect patience til
There's no-one left to turn on all the lights
And they'll sing: Hadn't they ever heard of Darwin?
Now we don't have to run and hide
Hadn't they ever heard of Darwin?
Open up the windows, It's a jungle inside
(edited as sung, not printed - BMO)
--
BMO
" I am a woman on the board of directors of an internation men's rights organization specialising in fathers' rights,"
Excuse me while I genuflect in your direction and do the entire "we're not worthy" chant.
You are a hero.
--
BMO
"Preponderance of the evidence" means that the accused has to "prove his innocence" rather than having the burden of proof soley on the Prosecution. This takes "innocent until proven guilty" and defenestrates it.
This is bad law. This is law that the founding fathers warned us about.
--
BMO
"Even after RTFA, I still feel that by choosing GPL I am giving up my freedoms as a developer."
Then don't use it. Duh. Why do people complain about this when they can simply use the BSD license or one made up from scratch? This really is a non-issue.
"Incorporating GPL sections of GNU Code could put you in violation"
If you don't plan to distribute mixed proprietary code and GPLed code, you're not in violation. If you plan to distribute, then write your own code or follow the GPL rules. The bits of code that _other_ people wrote belong to _them_ and _nothing else_ gives you the right to use their code. So play fair or keep it in-house. Seriously.
"even if you do not plan to widely distribute your application you still need to follow the rules."
What do you mean "not widely distribute"? Either you distribute or you keep it within the company. If you don't distribute, you can adapt GPLed code to whatever you need and not disclose a damn thing to anyone.
Just because you can't take and not give back doesn't mean that the GPL is bad. It just means that it's not for you. Use a different license and different code and stop whining.
--
BMO
Climate change is not a myth. Anyone who has gone and looked at global average temperature over the past few million years knows that. Indeed, the fact is that change is the norm and we are at a low end on the chart of global average temperature. Global temperature _must_ go up if you look at historic trends. Only a lunatic would say that global average temperature should be static.
Indeed, Earth has gone from Global Snowball to the current temperatures and a slight downturn can send us right back.
The real kicker is that Humanity doesn't have to be there for that to happen.
So if Climate Change doesn't require Humanity to happen, what _does_ it require?
Eh?
Answer that definitively and you've got yourself a freakin' Nobel.
--
BMO
"for you to get so upset that someone else doesn't buy in to the story that we never went to the moon.."
"No moon base yet? Nothing?!"
The Shuttle and ISS ate everything. There was no funding for a moon base.
You say you're a science and tech nut, but you have never read about or researched as to why things are the way they are today? It's not about the engineering. We have the capability. It's all politics. Want to get a moon base? Campaign for one. Get people to call their congresscritters to fund one. The reason and motivation back in 1969 was the Soviets, and the fact that everyone here was scared to death that if the Soviets gained a foothold on the Moon that we'd lose it forever. Plus the fact that both the US and USSR were poised to nuke the ever-luvin' daylights out of each other. But since the Soviets abandoned the Moon as too expensive in money and lives, so did we after Apollo 17. While Nixon was on the telephone congratulating the astronauts, he was cutting their funding.
"Losing the tapes is the last straw for me. "
Why, because you think that a few 2 inch Quad Ampex tapes were the be-all and end-all of the evidence that we went there? What about the _other_ missions? Eh? What about _all the other stuff_ besides these particular tapes? Until I read this story, I didn't even know these tapes existed, and they're merely higher definition archives of what was broadcast. Historically, they probably have no value in themselves as they wouldn't shed any real new light on the Apollo 11 mission, but they would be nice to have.
With all the stories in the news about corporations and governments losing data to the four winds, you think that NASA misplacing Quad tapes is implausible?
You're not a science and tech nut in the least, or you would already know all this.
--
BMO
" I just can't be absolutely sure."
/me picks up your brain, dusts it off, and hands it back to you.
One's mind should not be so open as to let the brain fall out. Sir, your brain seems to have fallen out.
Unlike people, not all ideas are created equal.
--
BMO
"These people are so vastly different from each other that literally their only unifying characteristic is that they're not mainstream."
No, the unifying aspect is that they're wrong. And so are you. And JREF has yet to pay out the million dollar bounty to anyone able to prove that any aspect of the paranormal exists
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
Thank you for playing, loser.
--
BMO
"No links that I will ever post will ever convince you or others who think that Apollo 11 through 17 was faked."
ARRGH! substitute "wasn't" for "was"
Teh Morons! They are stealing my brain cells!
--
BMO