Websites can be blocked, or Ddos, so good luck , as long as you have it in another country and that government is known not to uphold any other nations cries about needing to shut that website down. I think science is so underrated, and under appreciated, although, we do need more scientists out there, I think we need a more understanding government first.
You can not have that type of government if the government itself, is too busy trying to stop any information flow coming out of the science community. I have to ask though, why would they be so assenine? I understand that the science community has a very powerful voice, especially when it comes to climate reports etc....but remember that people are also smart enough to make their own decisions when it comes to information being presented to them, and that when you get 4 reports all conflicting with each other about whether global warming exists, then they will watch closely....if all 4 reports are the same, people accept , we got a problem, if there are 4 reports of which all are held back by the government because they do not want you knowing what is in them, then you know you have a problem with your government
>I, for one, think it's pretty sad that a disturbingly large segment of younger viewers get their 'news' primarily from a comedy show (Jon Stewart)
Yeah, because god forbid that anyone should make fun of the stupidity behind politics, or any other subject for that matter. I mean what could be funnier then some snobby politicians thinking that they are infallible, and could never make any mistakes, when John simply makes it evident that these are still regular people given BIG positions in life and think that they can do no wrong......
He also seems to touch on many things that have been tried to be slipped under the carpet, such as the BP oil spill, which is still a nasty money pit for OUR government even though the company themselves have stopped trying to do any clean up....
What do you not like about the Stewart show,....or the Colbert report....the fact that they can take the average individual who would never really bother to read the news, and inform him in such a way as not to alienate him about world events, and actually get him up to speed (somewhat,....as I agree they sometimes simplify things too much) but at least reach a usually unreachable political audience.
I see that someone figured out "legally" how to play with your system and make you look like a fool, so let's throw the book at them, but when we find out that you were being had by OUR system and that you lost "xxx" (xxx= money, time, energy, stress...) because of it, then too bad for you.....this is our government.
>They're incentivized to go out and innovate. They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things. I guess he really hasn't met the M$ team then, I guess it must have been a payoff somewhere that "inspired" him! Let's let them get their OS right first, before handing them the full key to the internet as well.
For once, the FCC has a purpose, maybe they can back off piracy a little bit, and tackle the more important problem, of getting stiffed by the big cell co. Seriously, I have to watch my heart each time I open a letter from the cell company, and I have all sorts of tweaking imaginable and yet they still manage to surprise me.
I wish 1) the cell phones had real time counters of how many minutes you have left for your package...
not counting the free minutes of course, so after 6pm, they dont count as you have a night time package... 2) same for bandwidth for database plans... 3) allow for a much easier way to stop the minutes from being used up, say put a lock on your account from making calls until you unlock it, not on your phone as hackers can bypass this, but I mean with a password and call to central, where you tell them, lock it for the next 5 days or so, could also be considered parental control if you like...but I would use it on myself....till the end of month and get new minutes... 4) Get a message saying you have passed your minutes, or bandwidth, if you continue we will charge x per minute or mb downloaded...
This could be easy enough, and I hope this is more of what they have planned....
Also maybe a special flag that interrupts your call (like the calling cards do) so that if you happen to call japan by accident (the flag would be first time calling japan with no prior history of calling there, and you are passing 10 minutes....flag!) which would ask you to say yes to continue, then with no response, as most children or accidental calls end up with no response...you would be cut off from the phone call...
But that would be in a really cool cell. co. world, not like the one we live in now!
I could not agree with you more, as this is what makes the linux, vs M$ argument so easy to win, you look at how quick a patch comes out for linux, and how quick if at all (some still aren't) for windows....however, the sheer number of windows users, make it hard for any linux user to purely use linux, as it is a commercial preference, and therefor needs to be used by most homes as well....something to do with not wasting time looking for things because you do not know your system.
oh...boy....here is one for you... You buy a car, and all of a sudden after 1 year, your wheel seems to be bent inwards thereby dragging down your gas mileage to be really bad. You do not solve the problem by turning only left, thinking it will avoid your right wheel to interfere with your gas mileage....you get it fixed...but in this case, the ISP is what needs to get fixed, not your computer....although having been infected would also tend to point towards you getting your sorry crappy box, still running a non legit windows, without all the patches, or any AV running on it, with a badly configured router to boot to be at fault.
No, saying that remove youtube from net to save on bandwidth, when 80% of traffic is spam, does not make sense. The proper thing to do, is come up with an ingenious way of spotting the spam at each nodes that sends pins on the backbone, and drop those packets immediately....that would save on useless pings and packets right away.
Unfortunately, hackers are becoming better and better, they know most servers will filter and catch the most spam, so they tend to instead get your computer to be infected with malware...using links, so that when you get a real looking email, that bypasses the filter because it is not saying much in terms of selling viagra etc....you open it, and click the link, which takes you to an infected website, and downloads a malware, which THEN will do most of the spamming damage...downloading backddoors, and viruses and rootkits...
Unfortunately, not enough people know the steps that an attack are made up of, and think if I don't click on the email attachment, i can do everything else....not in the real world, Sammy!...
Why does VISA not do the same thing, really I mean, to avoid fraud and all of that, you could use this same principle with every account, gmail, hotmail, VISA, banking, etc....if I am smart enough to link a cell phone number to my facebook account, now it has become a norm or standard in every user's life (100 million accounts???), so now we can sway the banks and CC companies, to do the same....finally some good coming out of FB for once....hope they keep it up, and help push tech further ahead like Google does....
You would have to know you are being tracked, to bother looking under your car, as most do not inspect every inch each time before they get inside their car....you could I guess if really paranoid, and have something to hide, use a bug tracker device, to locate bugs and transmitting devices on the car...i think its about 500$ or so...
I gotta say, now we are running out of water so we bottle it up at the source, and that way we guarantee that the water is good... what about the microbes that are dormant there from many years ago, that we will consume but do not have any immune system for, as we never got exposed tot hem before...maybe this will be a bad thing??
I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that with the strength to open up bank vault doors and speed to dodge bullets, that most would not take that as the selling feature...to join the dark side.
>but with a botnet which will have more than enough machines the spam would still be sent out, Unless all the owners of those machines found out that they were the ones sending out spam, and decided to fix their machines or pay the 50$
>If the user of a machine also sent out enough emails, then the spam extras may not be noticed. You do know most botnets are programmed to send out a small amount of spam then go dormant, then turn on again later and then so on...to avoid detection. However, doing it my way, it would only take 5000*.01 cents emails to hit the 50$ cap and then guess what, you know by mail you have to do something....
>...you will disconnect yourself... Who do you know (grandma and grandpa) are smart enough to figure these things out themselves.
>It's more likely that you'd complain to the ISP that they've got the traffic wrong. When was the last time you complained to your ISP about traffic that was on your connection but not yours, no matter how much you try, they say you pay, end of story, if you dont like it too bad... I know not 1 single company that goes, "oh, that was not you, ok, let me just fix that on your bill"....
>You've just shown the problem: Windows. I agree 1000% with your point here, no way to get around it, windows was badly built and is a money making machine that will never end, until people see they have options, with little penguins all over them...
>Not for them:... You obviously do not own your own company, if you did, you would know you do not get paid until the service is rendered, if you are a botnet owner, and you signed a contract with a company saying they will pay you x$ for your 1 million emails, and after the first 400,000 , your botnet goes bust and cant be recovered, and you do not meet your deadline, this hurts your cashflow, unless you start using real servers of your own, to compensate, and then it comes out of your own pocket...
>It just costs the machine's owner not the spammer,... Well, again, being in the industry of computers, I can tell you it is not easy to write malware with all the competition out there, and then you get p0wned by the next group wanting your botnet, plus you have constant surveillance as not all are properly camouflaged, so the cost of programming and the cost of building the botnet is still quite a few man hours, which no one works for free... might be cheaper in russia, but at some point the overall industry will feel it when you hit them with a big whammy like this....
>Losing a machine from a botnet won't worry a spammer very much as new infections will add to the botnet. Only if the fixed machine can be compromised again and again, however, by making mre people aware by using THIS way , they will get wise, fast, as it is expensive enough (50$) the first time, and once patched with AV on etc...you will see a much lower infection rate the second time around...
>Even if the machine is cleaned, it is very likely to be re-infected and the botnet expanded again, This is if the machine is not legit and has not been patched, newest zero day attack vectors need to be programmed when the old ones stop working, this again costs money to the spammer.
Roses are red, violets are blue, Some people need a full big picture,...well you know the rest
Actually I was not joking, I was merely assuming that with today's technology, the pollination and crop growing can pretty much maintain itself without bees, although I guess the wild flowers would all die off...
Are bees an integral part of our society, and do they need to be present else we die off somehow....the impact of the species becoming extinct is not unimportant as let's say the platapus....I think if we can, we should help the species by giving them some sort of cure, if we can find it....else we might go without honey in our future.
Good idea, but will still fail....because, once the culprits who write the malware know what the certs are, and how to fake or manipulate them, we are just back to square 1. I have said once before, the main spam problem can only be rectified one way...by charging per email,.01 cent! with a cap of about 50$. That's it, your ISP provider will send you off a bill at the end of the month, of which if you hit 50$, you know you are infected seeing as you have not sent any mail, you will disconnect yourself, and bring your pc to a tech who will clean it for you, or install legit windows for you, and then you will be back on the internet.
Once back on the internet, if it happens again, you will know next bill. Not only will this help pay the ISP for all the bandwidth they are loosing, but also make it impossible for spammers to spam legitimately....it would be too expensive, and the reason most malware exist, is to send spam, so if you block the spam, then there is not much profit to be had if you can not send your emails, or are disconnected from the botnet.
I never understood why they never built some sort of system into these so that they could be reused and cost less in the long run....although I could some issues if the shuttle blows up because of reuse or degradation by reuse.
I understand that this is the case for most situations, but if the person that called said something to the effect of..."i did pay you, there must be some mistake, I have a receipt here, can you send them anyways until we get this resolved, i would hate for them not show up and have you legally liable in case you ended up making a clerical error and my house burned down.
This would at least get them down there, and then later you could pay your backwards payments all the way till today, much cheaper then losing everything.
Because of this, we will see many more improvements in available tech soon for the regular population, which is always the case once military sets in on something....except weapons of course, but how many times did we see the army boots, before doc martins came out, especially all the camping gear which is always about 2 years behind technology wise...
>the ISP would be reasonably justified in cutting off a user from the internet,
the ISP would be reasonably justified in temporarily cutting off a user from the internet while contacting the client with proper info as to which infection they had, or which port they were sending info from, or even some basic help to figure out what to look for , maybe even offer a qualified technician's number, all the while making sure that the user was not billed for those days where they were cut off from the internet, as it is in the contract that they can not stop the service,....
Can they legally come after you children when you die if you owe money, or is that just a myth, would hate to be one of his kids.... Also, can he declare personal bankruptcy and then just move forward from this owing nothing???
>In fact, we should say thank you to China on this one. This may finally make EU, USA and Japan governments put some money behind the electronic waste disposal laws
Unfortunately, just like the car industry, the manufacturers should already has the means set up to take back your old clunkers and recycle them at no extra cost and use the recycled materials to create new ones from...I understand the car frame needs to be exactly pure steel in case of an accident, but the door handle does not....same as pcs, the motherboard needs to be well made, but the casing and rest of the metal for the box can be recycled metals.
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Websites can be blocked, or Ddos, so good luck , as long as you have it in another country and that government is known not to uphold any other nations cries about needing to shut that website down. I think science is so underrated, and under appreciated, although, we do need more scientists out there, I think we need a more understanding government first.
You can not have that type of government if the government itself, is too busy trying to stop any information flow coming out of the science community. I have to ask though, why would they be so assenine? I understand that the science community has a very powerful voice, especially when it comes to climate reports etc....but remember that people are also smart enough to make their own decisions when it comes to information being presented to them, and that when you get 4 reports all conflicting with each other about whether global warming exists, then they will watch closely....if all 4 reports are the same, people accept , we got a problem, if there are 4 reports of which all are held back by the government because they do not want you knowing what is in them, then you know you have a problem with your government
>I, for one, think it's pretty sad that a disturbingly large segment of younger viewers get their 'news' primarily from a comedy show (Jon Stewart)
Yeah, because god forbid that anyone should make fun of the stupidity behind politics, or any other subject for that matter. I mean what could be funnier then some snobby politicians thinking that they are infallible, and could never make any mistakes, when John simply makes it evident that these are still regular people given BIG positions in life and think that they can do no wrong......
He also seems to touch on many things that have been tried to be slipped under the carpet, such as the BP oil spill, which is still a nasty money pit for OUR government even though the company themselves have stopped trying to do any clean up....
What do you not like about the Stewart show,....or the Colbert report....the fact that they can take the average individual who would never really bother to read the news, and inform him in such a way as not to alienate him about world events, and actually get him up to speed (somewhat ,....as I agree they sometimes simplify things too much) but at least reach a usually unreachable political audience.
>I plan on doing this for a few more iteration until I can prove that . = 1
I plan on doing this for a few more iteration until I can prove that /. = 1
There fixed that for you
I see that someone figured out "legally" how to play with your system and make you look like a fool,
so let's throw the book at them, but when we find out that you were being had by OUR system and that you
lost "xxx" (xxx= money, time, energy, stress...) because of it, then too bad for you.....this is our government.
>They're incentivized to go out and innovate. They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things.
I guess he really hasn't met the M$ team then, I guess it must have been a payoff somewhere that "inspired" him!
Let's let them get their OS right first, before handing them the full key to the internet as well.
For once, the FCC has a purpose, maybe they can back off piracy a little bit, and tackle the more important problem, of getting stiffed by the big cell co. Seriously, I have to watch my heart each time I open a letter from the cell company, and I have all sorts of tweaking imaginable and yet they still manage to surprise me.
I wish
1) the cell phones had real time counters of how many minutes you have left for your package...
not counting the free minutes of course, so after 6pm, they dont count as you have a night time package...
2) same for bandwidth for database plans...
3) allow for a much easier way to stop the minutes from being used up, say put a lock on your account from making calls until you unlock it, not on your phone as hackers can bypass this, but I mean with a password and call to central, where you tell them, lock it for the next 5 days or so, could also be considered parental control if you like...but I would use it on myself....till the end of month and get new minutes...
4) Get a message saying you have passed your minutes, or bandwidth, if you continue we will charge x per minute or mb downloaded...
This could be easy enough, and I hope this is more of what they have planned....
Also maybe a special flag that interrupts your call (like the calling cards do) so that if you happen to call japan by accident (the flag would be first time calling japan with no prior history of calling there, and you are passing 10 minutes....flag!) which would ask you to say yes to continue, then with no response, as most children or accidental calls end up with no response...you would be cut off from the phone call...
But that would be in a really cool cell. co. world, not like the one we live in now!
I could not agree with you more, as this is what makes the linux, vs M$ argument so easy to win, you look at how quick a patch comes out for linux, and how quick if at all (some still aren't) for windows....however, the sheer number of windows users, make it hard for any linux user to purely use linux, as it is a commercial preference, and therefor needs to be used by most homes as well....something to do with not wasting time looking for things because you do not know your system.
oh...boy....here is one for you...
You buy a car, and all of a sudden after 1 year, your wheel seems to be bent inwards thereby dragging down your gas mileage to be really bad.
You do not solve the problem by turning only left, thinking it will avoid your right wheel to interfere with your gas mileage....you get it fixed...but in this case, the ISP is what needs to get fixed, not your computer....although having been infected would also tend to point towards you getting your sorry crappy box, still running a non legit windows, without all the patches, or any AV running on it, with a badly configured router to boot to be at fault.
No, saying that remove youtube from net to save on bandwidth, when 80% of traffic is spam, does not make sense. The proper thing to do, is come up with an ingenious way of spotting the spam at each nodes that sends pins on the backbone, and drop those packets immediately....that would save on useless pings and packets right away.
Unfortunately, hackers are becoming better and better, they know most servers will filter and catch the most spam, so they tend to instead get your computer to be infected with malware...using links, so that when you get a real looking email, that bypasses the filter because it is not saying much in terms of selling viagra etc....you open it, and click the link, which takes you to an infected website, and downloads a malware, which THEN will do most of the spamming damage...downloading backddoors, and viruses and rootkits...
Unfortunately, not enough people know the steps that an attack are made up of, and think if I don't click on the email attachment, i can do everything else....not in the real world, Sammy!...
But this is common sense, no?
Why does VISA not do the same thing, really I mean, to avoid fraud and all of that, you could use this same principle with every
account, gmail, hotmail, VISA, banking, etc....if I am smart enough to link a cell phone number to my facebook account, now it has become a norm or standard in every user's life (100 million accounts???), so now we can sway the banks and CC companies, to do the same....finally some good coming out of FB for once....hope they keep it up, and help push tech further ahead like Google does....
You would have to know you are being tracked, to bother looking under your car, as most do not inspect every inch each time before they get inside their car....you could I guess if really paranoid, and have something to hide, use a bug tracker device, to locate bugs and transmitting devices on the car...i think its about 500$ or so...
I gotta say, now we are running out of water so we bottle it up at the source, and that way we guarantee that the water is good...
what about the microbes that are dormant there from many years ago, that we will consume but do not have any immune system for, as we never got exposed tot hem before...maybe this will be a bad thing??
I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that with the strength to open up bank vault doors and speed to dodge bullets,
that most would not take that as the selling feature...to join the dark side.
>but with a botnet which will have more than enough machines the spam would still be sent out,
Unless all the owners of those machines found out that they were the ones sending out spam, and decided to fix their machines or pay the 50$
>If the user of a machine also sent out enough emails, then the spam extras may not be noticed.
You do know most botnets are programmed to send out a small amount of spam then go dormant, then turn on again later and then so on...to avoid detection. However, doing it my way, it would only take 5000*.01 cents emails to hit the 50$ cap and then guess what, you know by mail you have to do something....
>...you will disconnect yourself...
Who do you know (grandma and grandpa) are smart enough to figure these things out themselves.
>It's more likely that you'd complain to the ISP that they've got the traffic wrong.
When was the last time you complained to your ISP about traffic that was on your connection but not yours, no matter how much you try, they say you pay, end of story, if you dont like it too bad...
I know not 1 single company that goes, "oh, that was not you, ok, let me just fix that on your bill"....
>You've just shown the problem: Windows.
I agree 1000% with your point here, no way to get around it, windows was badly built and is a money making machine that will never end, until people see they have options, with little penguins all over them...
>Not for them: ...
You obviously do not own your own company, if you did, you would know you do not get paid until the service is rendered, if you are a botnet owner, and you signed a contract with a company saying they will pay you x$ for your 1 million emails, and after the first 400,000 , your botnet goes bust and cant be recovered, and you do not meet your deadline, this hurts your cashflow, unless you start using real servers of your own, to compensate, and then it comes out of your own pocket...
>It just costs the machine's owner not the spammer, ...
Well, again, being in the industry of computers, I can tell you it is not easy to write malware with all the competition out there, and then you get p0wned by the next group wanting your botnet, plus you have constant surveillance as not all are properly camouflaged, so the cost of programming and the cost of building the botnet is still quite a few man hours, which no one works for free...
might be cheaper in russia, but at some point the overall industry will feel it when you hit them with a big whammy like this....
>Losing a machine from a botnet won't worry a spammer very much as new infections will add to the botnet.
Only if the fixed machine can be compromised again and again, however, by making mre people aware by using THIS way , they will get wise, fast, as it is expensive enough (50$) the first time, and once patched with AV on etc...you will see a much lower infection rate the second time around...
>Even if the machine is cleaned, it is very likely to be re-infected and the botnet expanded again, This is if the machine is not legit and has not been patched, newest zero day attack vectors need to be programmed when the old ones stop working, this again costs money to the spammer.
Roses are red, violets are blue,
Some people need a full big picture,...well you know the rest
Actually I was not joking, I was merely assuming that with today's technology,
the pollination and crop growing can pretty much maintain itself without bees,
although I guess the wild flowers would all die off...
Are bees an integral part of our society, and do they need to be present else we die off somehow....the impact of the species becoming extinct is not unimportant as let's say the platapus....I think if we can, we should help the species by giving them some sort of cure, if we can find it....else we might go without honey in our future.
Good idea, but will still fail....because, once the culprits who write the malware know what the certs are, and how to fake or manipulate them, we are just back to square 1. I have said once before, the main spam problem can only be rectified one way...by charging per email, .01 cent! with a cap of about 50$. That's it, your ISP provider will send you off a bill at the end of the month, of which if you hit 50$, you know you are infected seeing as you have not sent any mail, you will disconnect yourself, and bring your pc to a tech who will clean it for you, or install legit windows for you, and then you will be back on the internet.
Once back on the internet, if it happens again, you will know next bill. Not only will this help pay the ISP for all the bandwidth they are loosing, but also make it impossible for spammers to spam legitimately....it would be too expensive, and the reason most malware exist, is to send spam, so if you block the spam, then there is not much profit to be had if you can not send your emails, or are disconnected from the botnet.
I never understood why they never built some sort of system into these so that they could be reused and cost less in the long run....although I could some issues if the shuttle blows up because of reuse or degradation by reuse.
I understand that this is the case for most situations, but if the person that called said something to the effect of..."i did pay you, there must be some mistake, I have a receipt here, can you send them anyways until we get this resolved, i would hate for them not show up and have you legally liable in case you ended up making a clerical error and my house burned down.
This would at least get them down there, and then later you could pay your backwards payments all the way till today, much cheaper then losing everything.
Because of this, we will see many more improvements in available tech soon for the regular population, which is always the case once military sets in on something....except weapons of course, but how many times did we see the army boots, before doc martins came out, especially all the camping gear which is always about 2 years behind technology wise...
>the ISP would be reasonably justified in cutting off a user from the internet,
the ISP would be reasonably justified in temporarily cutting off a user from the internet while contacting the client with proper info as to which infection they had, or which port they were sending info from, or even some basic help to figure out what to look for , maybe even offer a qualified technician's number, all the while making sure that the user was not billed for those days where they were cut off from the internet, as it is in the contract that they can not stop the service,....
There fixed that for you.!
Can they legally come after you children when you die if you owe money, or is that just a myth, would hate to be one of his kids....
Also, can he declare personal bankruptcy and then just move forward from this owing nothing???
How about we just live in a world with NO p0rn, would that be so hard to imagine.....oh, wait......sorry....like that could ever happen.
I agree, nice to see a company ISP that wants to actually help their user base with spam and infection for a change.
>In fact, we should say thank you to China on this one. This may finally make EU, USA and Japan governments put some money behind the electronic waste disposal laws
Unfortunately, just like the car industry, the manufacturers should already has the means set up to take back your old clunkers and recycle them at no extra cost and use the recycled materials to create new ones from...I understand the car frame needs to be exactly pure steel in case of an accident, but the door handle does not....same as pcs, the motherboard needs to be well made, but the casing and rest of the metal for the box can be recycled metals.
need to get this to track my gf when she is out of country, so i know when she is getting back....lol