Can you offer some insight into why women's representation in IT is dropping these days, especially when it's never been as strong as men's representation? Or why you're in IT, despite the general trend?
Not really - I hadn't been aware that it *was* dropping until this morning.
The type of women who would choose IT purely because it was mostly male are retiring, at one end of the spectrum, and probably joining the army or becoming firefighters at the other. (Although this is pure speculation so I don't have any numbers to back that up).
Enrollement in university among men (as a statistical group) is more susceptible to fluctuations in the job market - the enrollement of men in CS is probably increasing a lot. That wouldn't have had time to make it to the workforce, yet, though.
It's discouraging, but as bad as it can get for me, I could imagine it being all the more difficult for a woman who has to put up with getting constantly ogled by what, in my school (U of Michigan), is a predominantly male population as well.
I don't know what U of Michigan is like, but here, nobody "oogles".
Although that might partly be because it's still snowing outside, so we're all wearing winter coats anyway...
Re:It's just too hard for them
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What you're saying is that as Computer Science classes get harder, you find fewer and fewer women who can hack it.
Granted, I'm a female in engineering, not Computer Science, but I found this comment a little offensive.
Not everyone is as tenacious as your mother. Having work done for you and having people treat you like you're a "special person" is a pretty bad impression, and if a woman wasn't set on an IT career that could turn her off.
Huh? What exactly are you trying to say? Nobody treats me like I'm "a special person" because of my gender, and I do my own schoolwork. Really, the only difference is that I don't have to wait in line to use the bathroom.
Hell, idiot geek students almost turned me to another major. When it looks like you will have to probably spend the rest of your life with people you can't stand, you start looking for alternatives.
Which has... what, exactly, to do with the topic under discussion?
Re:Looking at the distribution ...
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've noticed a general flow of kids going for a technical education here though. They start off in a program like engineering or CS, fall back to school of tech., and lastly end up in either management (or some derivative of business) or as an education major.
I can't remember where I read this, so I can't cite my source, but most men who drop out of engineering (either to take something else or to drop out of school entirely) have averages in the D's or below. Most women who drop out have averages in the A's and B's.
Google donating bandwidth for the better of the internet community. If only more internet or tech companies would show some dedication like this into improving the education for the masses over the internet for the people. Hats off to google again.
And the folks who are worried that google will quickly become an Evil Monopolistic Corporation (TM) can relax for a bit.
#include/* As always.:p*//* A blank line, except for this comment. Because I like blank lines */ int random(int min, int max, int *pointer);/* Function prototypes put the 'fun' in 'function'! *//* Another almost blank line, for fun */
Of course, a friend of mine had a program that said,/* Barehanded damage fixed by Thoric *//* Unarmed combat re-fixed by Scion *//* Well, third time's the charm - Keo */
There are probably a fair number of university students in the same boat - we get pretty fast Internet access, but have to share a TV with fifty to a few hundred other people.
That show was the *only* one that got off to a solid start, right off the bat. It had politics, religion, long, complex story arcs, etc. I really can't think of anything negative to say about that show.
No Voyager, early TNG and TOS...
That's one of the things I like about Voyager... the fact that it was pretty consistent (consistently okay, at least) all the way through. (Compared to TNG, DS9, and Enterprise, which started out not very good and got better, and TOS, which... well.... I guess it's okay 'cause it came first...)
I've resisted wearing my tinfoil hat, now I'm wearing one, and putting one around all my personal information as well.
It really depends on which information this is.
I don't mind if the whole world knows my name, hair colour, birthplace, or mother's maiden name. However, if they know the password for my bank account, I'd get worried.
Firstly, I thought the US was the most polluting economy on the face of the planet. Atleast it was a year ago.
It really depends on what you consider pollution.
That might seem obvious, it's greenhouse gasses, right? But the parent talked about "dumping totally unprocessed high level toxic was directly into rivers and streams by large factories."
This article is about the ozone layer, so we should be taking CFC's into consideration, too. For CFC's, should we consider all CFC's ever produced, several decades worth of which are still up there, doing damage? Or just the ones currently being produced.
Are we counting noise pollution and light pollution, too? Look at any map of "the earth at night", the eastern US, great lakes region of Canada, and western Europe are at the top of that list.
As far as I'm concerned, the US (or just Hollywood) should be at the top of the list, if only for polluting our culture.
Should the Green party start to gain momentum, I'd bet the Democrats would start picking up some of their platform (and similar for Republicans and Libertarians).
That made me chuckle, thinking of the recent Canadian election.
The green party was gaining momentum, so the liberals followed their time-honoured tradition of running on the left and (it would seem) governing on the right.
I'm fairly certain that the Liberals haven't actually allied with the NDP, since even with the NDP they're still one seat short of a majority - so for important legislation like the budget, they'll have to ally with either Conservative or Bloc, or make sure there are more Conservative and Bloc MP's absent then Liberal/NPD MP's.
A minor point, though.
As far as voting Green is concerned, even your vote wasn't wasted.
You helped them get over the magical 2% they need to get funding per vote, which means that they should be included in the debate next election, etc.
You'll be represented next election.:) By at least one candidate.
Closed source doesn't always mean commercial. It just means they won't show you the code.
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Give it time.
Most (if not all, I'm not an astrophysicist) of the planets we've discovered in other solar systems are Jupiter-like - enormous and gaseous. (They've also mostly been almost as close to their suns as Mercury is to ours).
Jupiter-like planets may be easier to detect, but they're not very hospitable to life. Give it time, we'll find something.
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Can you offer some insight into why women's representation in IT is dropping these days, especially when it's never been as strong as men's representation? Or why you're in IT, despite the general trend?
Not really - I hadn't been aware that it *was* dropping until this morning.
The type of women who would choose IT purely because it was mostly male are retiring, at one end of the spectrum, and probably joining the army or becoming firefighters at the other. (Although this is pure speculation so I don't have any numbers to back that up).
Enrollement in university among men (as a statistical group) is more susceptible to fluctuations in the job market - the enrollement of men in CS is probably increasing a lot. That wouldn't have had time to make it to the workforce, yet, though.
It's discouraging, but as bad as it can get for me, I could imagine it being all the more difficult for a woman who has to put up with getting constantly ogled by what, in my school (U of Michigan), is a predominantly male population as well.
I don't know what U of Michigan is like, but here, nobody "oogles".
Although that might partly be because it's still snowing outside, so we're all wearing winter coats anyway...
What you're saying is that as Computer Science classes get harder, you find fewer and fewer women who can hack it.
... what, exactly, to do with the topic under discussion?
Granted, I'm a female in engineering, not Computer Science, but I found this comment a little offensive.
Not everyone is as tenacious as your mother. Having work done for you and having people treat you like you're a "special person" is a pretty bad impression, and if a woman wasn't set on an IT career that could turn her off.
Huh? What exactly are you trying to say? Nobody treats me like I'm "a special person" because of my gender, and I do my own schoolwork. Really, the only difference is that I don't have to wait in line to use the bathroom.
Hell, idiot geek students almost turned me to another major. When it looks like you will have to probably spend the rest of your life with people you can't stand, you start looking for alternatives.
Which has
've noticed a general flow of kids going for a technical education here though. They start off in a program like engineering or CS, fall back to school of tech., and lastly end up in either management (or some derivative of business) or as an education major.
I can't remember where I read this, so I can't cite my source, but most men who drop out of engineering (either to take something else or to drop out of school entirely) have averages in the D's or below. Most women who drop out have averages in the A's and B's.
Hell, I don't even know anyone that still listens to the radio.
I do. Nice to meet you too.
I would much rather see Windows without IE, or at the very least with the option during install to not install IE at all and install FireFox instead.
I'd be happy being able to uninstall IE as soon as I finish downloading FireFox...
Calls are normally cheaper on the mobile than on the uni phone system anyway.
Not if using the uni phone system is a mandatory fee for those living in residence as it is here.
As for me, I use my phone about once a month and was actually contemplating not getting a telephone at all once I moved out of residence.
Google donating bandwidth for the better of the internet community. If only more internet or tech companies would show some dedication like this into improving the education for the masses over the internet for the people. Hats off to google again.
And the folks who are worried that google will quickly become an Evil Monopolistic Corporation (TM) can relax for a bit.
In a program I wrote in high school,
/* As always. :p*/ /* A blank line, except for this comment. Because I like blank lines */ /* Function prototypes put the 'fun' in 'function'! */ /* Another almost blank line, for fun */
/* Barehanded damage fixed by Thoric */ /* Unarmed combat re-fixed by Scion */ /* Well, third time's the charm - Keo */
#include
int random(int min, int max, int *pointer);
Of course, a friend of mine had a program that said,
There are probably a fair number of university students in the same boat - we get pretty fast Internet access, but have to share a TV with fifty to a few hundred other people.
Actually, all the new Canadian notes have braille on them.
They do? The ones in my wallet don't...
That show was the *only* one that got off to a solid start, right off the bat. It had politics, religion, long, complex story arcs, etc. I really can't think of anything negative to say about that show.
No Voyager, early TNG and TOS...
That's one of the things I like about Voyager... the fact that it was pretty consistent (consistently okay, at least) all the way through. (Compared to TNG, DS9, and Enterprise, which started out not very good and got better, and TOS, which... well.... I guess it's okay 'cause it came first...)
or quit our attempts at the same time
New Year's Resolutions?
You could probably get a computer from 10 years ago or so for pocket change. That's new by, say, geological standards...
I've resisted wearing my tinfoil hat, now I'm wearing one, and putting one around all my personal information as well.
It really depends on which information this is.
I don't mind if the whole world knows my name, hair colour, birthplace, or mother's maiden name. However, if they know the password for my bank account, I'd get worried.
Try comparing one foot off the ground with twenty feet off the ground.
I've only got two feet. I can't hold twenty of them above the ground and still walk...
All joking aside, good point. However, it is still harder to do something if there isn't a nice safety net below.
Or to search for strings that include non-letter characters like ( and *.
That's the one thing I wish Google did better.
I'll use it until it is no longer the only search engine on the toolbar in Firefox, though. Convenience rules!
Firstly, I thought the US was the most polluting economy on the face of the planet. Atleast it was a year ago.
It really depends on what you consider pollution.
That might seem obvious, it's greenhouse gasses, right? But the parent talked about "dumping totally unprocessed high level toxic was directly into rivers and streams by large factories."
This article is about the ozone layer, so we should be taking CFC's into consideration, too. For CFC's, should we consider all CFC's ever produced, several decades worth of which are still up there, doing damage? Or just the ones currently being produced.
Are we counting noise pollution and light pollution, too? Look at any map of "the earth at night", the eastern US, great lakes region of Canada, and western Europe are at the top of that list.
As far as I'm concerned, the US (or just Hollywood) should be at the top of the list, if only for polluting our culture.
Anyone with an archive of, say, video files on around 24 DVDs (or a dozen DL DVDs) and access to a nice fast link could fill 100Gig in an afternoon.
That's what filesharing is for...
Should the Green party start to gain momentum, I'd bet the Democrats would start picking up some of their platform (and similar for Republicans and Libertarians).
That made me chuckle, thinking of the recent Canadian election.
The green party was gaining momentum, so the liberals followed their time-honoured tradition of running on the left and (it would seem) governing on the right.
I'm fairly certain that the Liberals haven't actually allied with the NDP, since even with the NDP they're still one seat short of a majority - so for important legislation like the budget, they'll have to ally with either Conservative or Bloc, or make sure there are more Conservative and Bloc MP's absent then Liberal/NPD MP's.
:) By at least one candidate.
A minor point, though.
As far as voting Green is concerned, even your vote wasn't wasted.
You helped them get over the magical 2% they need to get funding per vote, which means that they should be included in the debate next election, etc.
You'll be represented next election.
If I had one, and was going to bring it hiking, I'd probably make some sort of duct tape case for it. That keeps it clean, too. :p
If I was canoeing, I'd keep it in a dry sack when not in use anyway.
Closed source doesn't always mean commercial. It just means they won't show you the code.
Give it time.
Most (if not all, I'm not an astrophysicist) of the planets we've discovered in other solar systems are Jupiter-like - enormous and gaseous. (They've also mostly been almost as close to their suns as Mercury is to ours).
Jupiter-like planets may be easier to detect, but they're not very hospitable to life. Give it time, we'll find something.
Yeah...
:p
I plan to keep Star Trek on mine when I get one.