Basic Income was conceived of in response to the idea that human labor might become obsolete in a wide sense. If all of the manual labor is being done by robots then what are the masses going to live on? Likewise, if we are able to meet all or most of our manual labor needs through automation why waste human potential on manual labor?
You're conceptualizing basic income in a world exactly like ours. If you conceptualize it in the context of a post manual labor world, which we do seem to be heading towards, then it comes out as the only logical alternative to butchering the excess population.
Yeah, look how our culture suffered when the Italians and Irish started coming over with their habbits of having huge families. The people back then even warned us, "the catholics are breeding us out!" but sadly no one would listen.
Or maybe they just all became Americans like the rest of us and it wasnt a problem at all. The vast majority of immigrants acculturate within a few generations. This is incredibly obviouse when looking at American history and can be seen happening today with Mexican and other Latin American immigrants. Most first gens are pretty Mexican in culture, second generation tends to run a wide spectrum and by the third generation they're American as all hell. At least that's what I've seen from every third plus generation American of Mexican descent that I've ever met. In my experience most dont even speak Spanish at that point. (unless they live near the boarder)
So anyways, stop your fear mongering. Western cultures (where most of this is happening right now) arent going anywhere.
"I can only hope you're being snarky here, but there are people who would sincerely argue that you don't have the right to die early, or to risk your life in any way, because that would deprive the state of needed tax revenue. Those people are assholes."
Sure, those people sound pretty bad but I hear that there are people that will actually just make up false naratives so they can be outraged about something or demonize a group.
"(Speaking of which, has Hillary been seen in a black church or black community since November? Or was that just an election thing?)"
How often does any elected or not elected candidate visit minority institutions once the election is over? I think a far more relevant question that many Trump supporters might be interested in is how many times this upholder of "American" social conservative values has been to church since being elected? My bet is not at all.
So the Left should go after their own for minor issues but should ignore Trump for more significant ones?
Also, I would argue that "common-sense rules" would be to get average working class people out of conflict zones so them and their children can live productive lives. I would think "common sense" would dictate that people aren't automatically evil because of their religion or the country they are fleeing.
Yes, if your sample regions are chosen because they are Democrat controlled and high crime areas then yes, all of a sudden it looks like a problem. If you don't cherry pick your data and include all major urban areas, which are Democrat controlled by a vast majority (even in red states), then all of a sudden your point is garbage.
Of course you can point to outliers, that doesnt make you insightful.
You guys are both operating under false definitions of what a Republic or a Democracy is. In a democracy everything is voted on directly by the citizens. The initiative system in Western states is an example of that. In a republic the people vote for people who then govern for them (Which is how most of our country is run). No part of the definition of republic puts limits on majoritive governance, that's something extra our founding fathers threw in. As a real world example, see most other Western democracies who are also republics and have no such limitations.
You just made my point. Obama, despite the Right's loathing of him, won the popular vote not only on his initial election but in his second when he was far less popular. You can call Obama's presidency devisive if you want but if you're arguing that you have to accept that Trump's is even more so.
Everyone knows the popular vote doesnt "count". Again, not insightful there. The popular vote matters in the context that it shows that Trump is sitting president over a very divided nation to the point where he couldnt even win the popular vote when almost every incoming presidents does. Most US presidents receive a far greater mandate from the voters than what Trump has received.
"If you wanted it to count, the vote totals would change, substantially. A lot of Republicans in California don't vote because what is the point?"
Terrible reasoning there. California is not a vacuum nor the source of all of your conservative woes. For every California (Or blue state) conservative who doesnt vote in the presidential election you can be sure there's a Red state liberal who does the same. In fact, there are probably more liberals who are turned off from voting as conservatives are well known for their turnouts. The Left in this country has always had problems with motivating people to get them to the polls.
Why do some Right Wingers think taking California out of the vote and then going "See now the popular vote is the way I want it" is insitefull? I've seen people parrot this "wisdom" a good bit lately and I can't tell if it's willful naivety of just general mental dimness. If you pick and choose election results in any presidential election you can come up with any end result you want.
As for "California Commies". If California is so communist why is their capitalism so much more successful than every Red state?
"It's historically clear that local Democratic rule of minority areas has failed. Areas like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, Watts, Memphis, Flint, and so on.
Saying this is not being racist."
While I would certainly agree that Democratic party rule in those mainly minority filled areas failed and that saying as such is certainly not racist, using a handful of areas to rationalize a statement about Democratic rule in minority areas failing in a general sense is naive and foolish and you clearly have your partisan blinders on. Most major urban areas, even in Red states, are run by Democrats and a lot of them do pretty well. Just because you can name a handful of cities with large numbers of minorities where things arent working well doesnt mean things arent working well in quite a few other cities.
I see everyone talking about this as a Chinese bid to slow global warming but I just see that as a highly unlikely motive for them. Far more likely is that it is an attempt to reign in their truely massive domestic polution problem and thus avoid the social unrest that could come from it. Currently, due to their polution problem in general, many Chinese citizens are exposed to air quality in their own homes equivalent to smoking several packs a day unless they can afford air filters (which cost far more than quite a few can afford) http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi... . Let that run long enough and people will start getting pretty upset when they start getting lung cancer in their 40s.
To put it another way, China only does things that might slow economic growth a bit (like cancel 100 very cheap to run coal plants) when the problem is very immediate. They've let the air quality drift to such a massively degraded level in some regions that I find it hard to believe that a problem like global warming, whose symptoms are really only now starting to be felt, is anywhere on their radar.
28.8 rate of vegetarianism then? I don't think you realize the remainder population in India that consumes meat is therefore about twice the population of the US. Now couple that with the fact that the country is maybe half the size of the US and you can be assured that they are pumping those animals up with anything that will make them grow faster (to make up for lack of grazing space) at rate minimum to that of America's worst offenders.
With that said a bit less than 80% of all antibiotics sold in this country are sold to the meat industry. http://www.politifact.com/trut... (An odd source, yes but it was easy and they did their research well enough for my standards)
Given these facts I dont see how you can come to your conclusion.
Wow, you didnt refute "So, Bush and Obama were both shitty Presidents. I think that has been firmly established. Should we just give worthless piece of shit Trump a pass since the other Presidents were shitty, too?" at all.
As the above poster clearly makes a case for, a shitty appointment is a shitty appointment. What other people do or did is irrelevant.
Sadly, no because the phone company infastructure into my place is crap and I can only get the lowest tier of DSL whether its from Sonic or AT&T. Back when I had them? Amazing. Top customer support, with very low wait times (I only had to call them a few times but every time had wait times of like 30 seconds. Every time I was surprised thinking "how unexpectedly reasonable!"), and a company that actually seems to care about your data privacy. My Dad uses them too and I remember about 10 years ago he was having problems with his computer and instead of calling his son who could have fixed his problem (my own dumb family stuff) he brought his tower down to the local Sonic offices and a tech came out and fixed a problem that, as far as I understood it at the time, had nothing to do with the internet service they provided him.
It's been a good bit since I had to stop using them but as I understand it Dane Jasper is still running the show over there which means things couldnt be too bad and even if service is half as good as what I used to get it is still 10 times better than Comcast.
IBM getting 8,000 patents in a year isnt of concern to techies? Nonsense
For those concerned about inovation in any tech field these numbers are terrible news but worth being aware of. It's essentially highlighting what many of us perceive as an ever growing problem.
LG including wifi on all it's products? Glad to now know that so i can avoid their products as i dont need the risk of malware on my fridge. Your average consumer doesnt care of even understand what something like this means. A good amount of this site's readership likely does.
Apples iphone turns 10 isnt worth mentioning on a tech news site? I generally have no use for Apple products but the iphone was a truely revolutionary piece of tech and marking its 10th anniversary is (while a bit on the light news side) completely in line with the site. (I just wrote this post on my phone by the way)
A quick tip, just because you dont find it interesting doesnt mean it doesnt belong on the site. I've been reading Slashdot since the 90's and it has always had a huge variety of articles posted to it and for almost just as long had people wanting the site to focus on just what they wanted. I remember the last time I addressed someone complaining about slashdot articles they were complaining about a "slashdot new low", an article about the Simpsons. I just replied with a post with about 7 or 8 links going all the way back to the 90's of slashdot stories about the simpsons.
While I think modular phones wont make it because consumer choice costs more there are certainly problems being addressed in making phones modular.
While I realize using myself only provides andicdotal evidense I'm going to do it anyways. I dont care about literally anything phone companies are pushing right now. I dont care how thick my phone is, if it's less than an inch it's fine. I dont care how powerfull my phone is, while I'm a power oriented PC user such things are irrelevant for me on phones, my S4 had all the power i needed and was only replaced because it died.
As far as smart phones go, I only care about battery life and a built in keyboard (which literally, no one seems to offer anymore) nowadays. Everything else is garbage to me as its done well enough by every entry to the market.
Hey, I'm a huge fan of campaign finance reform (although Clinton has not been accused of any criminal wrong doing in any of that) None of that makes what the Russians did alright though.
And if say the RNC had been hacked the lack of releases is certainly not proof that everything is morally prestine with them. One could just as easily say that that is proof the hackers favored Trump as i find it highly unlikely that both parties dont have a good bit of dirty laundry tucked away.
As for Trump, he still has plenty to hide. How about those tax returns?
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Basic Income was conceived of in response to the idea that human labor might become obsolete in a wide sense. If all of the manual labor is being done by robots then what are the masses going to live on? Likewise, if we are able to meet all or most of our manual labor needs through automation why waste human potential on manual labor?
You're conceptualizing basic income in a world exactly like ours. If you conceptualize it in the context of a post manual labor world, which we do seem to be heading towards, then it comes out as the only logical alternative to butchering the excess population.
"Basic Income can never work because it is "central planning" and that has never worked."
No it's not, you're making that up. The government sending its citizens a check every month is not at all the same as central planning of the economy.
Yeah, look how our culture suffered when the Italians and Irish started coming over with their habbits of having huge families. The people back then even warned us, "the catholics are breeding us out!" but sadly no one would listen.
Or maybe they just all became Americans like the rest of us and it wasnt a problem at all. The vast majority of immigrants acculturate within a few generations. This is incredibly obviouse when looking at American history and can be seen happening today with Mexican and other Latin American immigrants. Most first gens are pretty Mexican in culture, second generation tends to run a wide spectrum and by the third generation they're American as all hell. At least that's what I've seen from every third plus generation American of Mexican descent that I've ever met. In my experience most dont even speak Spanish at that point. (unless they live near the boarder)
So anyways, stop your fear mongering. Western cultures (where most of this is happening right now) arent going anywhere.
"I can only hope you're being snarky here, but there are people who would sincerely argue that you don't have the right to die early, or to risk your life in any way, because that would deprive the state of needed tax revenue. Those people are assholes."
Sure, those people sound pretty bad but I hear that there are people that will actually just make up false naratives so they can be outraged about something or demonize a group.
Fortunatly that never happens on internet forums.
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"(Speaking of which, has Hillary been seen in a black church or black community since November? Or was that just an election thing?)"
How often does any elected or not elected candidate visit minority institutions once the election is over? I think a far more relevant question that many Trump supporters might be interested in is how many times this upholder of "American" social conservative values has been to church since being elected? My bet is not at all.
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So the Left should go after their own for minor issues but should ignore Trump for more significant ones?
Also, I would argue that "common-sense rules" would be to get average working class people out of conflict zones so them and their children can live productive lives. I would think "common sense" would dictate that people aren't automatically evil because of their religion or the country they are fleeing.
There are plenty of Jews in Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yes, if your sample regions are chosen because they are Democrat controlled and high crime areas then yes, all of a sudden it looks like a problem. If you don't cherry pick your data and include all major urban areas, which are Democrat controlled by a vast majority (even in red states), then all of a sudden your point is garbage.
Of course you can point to outliers, that doesnt make you insightful.
You guys are both operating under false definitions of what a Republic or a Democracy is. In a democracy everything is voted on directly by the citizens. The initiative system in Western states is an example of that. In a republic the people vote for people who then govern for them (Which is how most of our country is run). No part of the definition of republic puts limits on majoritive governance, that's something extra our founding fathers threw in. As a real world example, see most other Western democracies who are also republics and have no such limitations.
You just made my point. Obama, despite the Right's loathing of him, won the popular vote not only on his initial election but in his second when he was far less popular. You can call Obama's presidency devisive if you want but if you're arguing that you have to accept that Trump's is even more so.
Everyone knows the popular vote doesnt "count". Again, not insightful there. The popular vote matters in the context that it shows that Trump is sitting president over a very divided nation to the point where he couldnt even win the popular vote when almost every incoming presidents does. Most US presidents receive a far greater mandate from the voters than what Trump has received.
"If you wanted it to count, the vote totals would change, substantially. A lot of Republicans in California don't vote because what is the point?"
Terrible reasoning there. California is not a vacuum nor the source of all of your conservative woes. For every California (Or blue state) conservative who doesnt vote in the presidential election you can be sure there's a Red state liberal who does the same. In fact, there are probably more liberals who are turned off from voting as conservatives are well known for their turnouts. The Left in this country has always had problems with motivating people to get them to the polls.
Why do some Right Wingers think taking California out of the vote and then going "See now the popular vote is the way I want it" is insitefull? I've seen people parrot this "wisdom" a good bit lately and I can't tell if it's willful naivety of just general mental dimness. If you pick and choose election results in any presidential election you can come up with any end result you want.
As for "California Commies". If California is so communist why is their capitalism so much more successful than every Red state?
"It's historically clear that local Democratic rule of minority areas has failed. Areas like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, Watts, Memphis, Flint, and so on.
Saying this is not being racist."
While I would certainly agree that Democratic party rule in those mainly minority filled areas failed and that saying as such is certainly not racist, using a handful of areas to rationalize a statement about Democratic rule in minority areas failing in a general sense is naive and foolish and you clearly have your partisan blinders on. Most major urban areas, even in Red states, are run by Democrats and a lot of them do pretty well. Just because you can name a handful of cities with large numbers of minorities where things arent working well doesnt mean things arent working well in quite a few other cities.
I see everyone talking about this as a Chinese bid to slow global warming but I just see that as a highly unlikely motive for them. Far more likely is that it is an attempt to reign in their truely massive domestic polution problem and thus avoid the social unrest that could come from it. Currently, due to their polution problem in general, many Chinese citizens are exposed to air quality in their own homes equivalent to smoking several packs a day unless they can afford air filters (which cost far more than quite a few can afford) http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi... . Let that run long enough and people will start getting pretty upset when they start getting lung cancer in their 40s.
To put it another way, China only does things that might slow economic growth a bit (like cancel 100 very cheap to run coal plants) when the problem is very immediate. They've let the air quality drift to such a massively degraded level in some regions that I find it hard to believe that a problem like global warming, whose symptoms are really only now starting to be felt, is anywhere on their radar.
So does India
28.8 rate of vegetarianism then? I don't think you realize the remainder population in India that consumes meat is therefore about twice the population of the US. Now couple that with the fact that the country is maybe half the size of the US and you can be assured that they are pumping those animals up with anything that will make them grow faster (to make up for lack of grazing space) at rate minimum to that of America's worst offenders.
With that said a bit less than 80% of all antibiotics sold in this country are sold to the meat industry. http://www.politifact.com/trut... (An odd source, yes but it was easy and they did their research well enough for my standards)
Given these facts I dont see how you can come to your conclusion.
Wow, you didnt refute "So, Bush and Obama were both shitty Presidents. I think that has been firmly established. Should we just give worthless piece of shit Trump a pass since the other Presidents were shitty, too?" at all.
As the above poster clearly makes a case for, a shitty appointment is a shitty appointment. What other people do or did is irrelevant.
Sadly, no because the phone company infastructure into my place is crap and I can only get the lowest tier of DSL whether its from Sonic or AT&T. Back when I had them? Amazing. Top customer support, with very low wait times (I only had to call them a few times but every time had wait times of like 30 seconds. Every time I was surprised thinking "how unexpectedly reasonable!"), and a company that actually seems to care about your data privacy. My Dad uses them too and I remember about 10 years ago he was having problems with his computer and instead of calling his son who could have fixed his problem (my own dumb family stuff) he brought his tower down to the local Sonic offices and a tech came out and fixed a problem that, as far as I understood it at the time, had nothing to do with the internet service they provided him.
It's been a good bit since I had to stop using them but as I understand it Dane Jasper is still running the show over there which means things couldnt be too bad and even if service is half as good as what I used to get it is still 10 times better than Comcast.
The Alt-Right doesnt insult the other side in a debate? Please.
How many Alt-Righters have I seen parrot in mongoloid fashion "snowflake" for those who disagree with them. It's practically a mantra.
IBM getting 8,000 patents in a year isnt of concern to techies? Nonsense
For those concerned about inovation in any tech field these numbers are terrible news but worth being aware of. It's essentially highlighting what many of us perceive as an ever growing problem.
LG including wifi on all it's products? Glad to now know that so i can avoid their products as i dont need the risk of malware on my fridge. Your average consumer doesnt care of even understand what something like this means. A good amount of this site's readership likely does.
Apples iphone turns 10 isnt worth mentioning on a tech news site? I generally have no use for Apple products but the iphone was a truely revolutionary piece of tech and marking its 10th anniversary is (while a bit on the light news side) completely in line with the site. (I just wrote this post on my phone by the way)
A quick tip, just because you dont find it interesting doesnt mean it doesnt belong on the site. I've been reading Slashdot since the 90's and it has always had a huge variety of articles posted to it and for almost just as long had people wanting the site to focus on just what they wanted. I remember the last time I addressed someone complaining about slashdot articles they were complaining about a "slashdot new low", an article about the Simpsons. I just replied with a post with about 7 or 8 links going all the way back to the 90's of slashdot stories about the simpsons.
"This smells like propaganda."
No, that's just your brain tumor.
I disagree.
While I think modular phones wont make it because consumer choice costs more there are certainly problems being addressed in making phones modular.
While I realize using myself only provides andicdotal evidense I'm going to do it anyways. I dont care about literally anything phone companies are pushing right now. I dont care how thick my phone is, if it's less than an inch it's fine. I dont care how powerfull my phone is, while I'm a power oriented PC user such things are irrelevant for me on phones, my S4 had all the power i needed and was only replaced because it died.
As far as smart phones go, I only care about battery life and a built in keyboard (which literally, no one seems to offer anymore) nowadays. Everything else is garbage to me as its done well enough by every entry to the market.
I'll worry about that when the "war on Christmas" is over. Meanwhile the rest of us can try to carry on in reality.
I'm clearly talking national politics with that statement. Arnold is irrelevant to this discussion
Hey, I'm a huge fan of campaign finance reform (although Clinton has not been accused of any criminal wrong doing in any of that) None of that makes what the Russians did alright though.
Also, the RNC being hacked is not universally agreed upon: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...
And if say the RNC had been hacked the lack of releases is certainly not proof that everything is morally prestine with them. One could just as easily say that that is proof the hackers favored Trump as i find it highly unlikely that both parties dont have a good bit of dirty laundry tucked away.
As for Trump, he still has plenty to hide. How about those tax returns?