Not really. Novell OES sits on top of a standard Linux installation, rather than taking Linux and redoing large chunks of it to serve their own purposes. The provided system is on top of what is / was SUSE, and it is still clearly linux. It operates the same way, feels the same, can run all the same programs without recompiling them and so on. For the non-linux geeks that couldn't "make" their way out of a paper bag, you can even use bog-standard Redhat RPMs to install software.
Novell Netware has always been an NOS Kernel that provided most of its core functionality at that level. The change to OES removes NOS functionality from the kernel entirely, making it seperate functions that operate on top of the kernel. These functions have been ported across to Linux.
Personally I think Novell are on to a potential winner here, provided management don't screw up. Novell is offering something that is lacking in Linux, a consolidated LDAP based network/user management system, using a tried, tested and proven good infrastructure. I've been supporting a busy Novell network for 5 years now, and I'm more than impressed with it, particularly when I compare it to the hassles experienced with MS AD boxes. Novell were streets ahead of MS's AD with the development of the NDS tree, and they have remained reasonably so.
Amazing how that works, isn't it. I could see it being worth it if everyone loved Windows. But the only reason people even use it in the first place is because it's easy. Something idiotic like this makes it a LOT less so.
Hmm.. how does this make XP a 'LOT less' easy to use?
Like most people that tinker about with their home machines, I regularly re-install XP, not as a consequence of anything wrong with MS's package, just as a result of what I've screwed up on it. As a consequence my XP almost never activates on-line, the site seems to allow a certain number of activations with a period of time.
So.. go to activate, Windows pops up a nice, clear, concise window that tells me there is a problem activating my product over the internet, and asks me to dial a number. The number is in a nice clear font, so little chance of me failing to read it correctly.
I call, get connected to an MS rep within a minute, read out the text string on the screen, following the clear guidance from the MS rep. They tell me a code to type in, I press a button, and voila, Windows is activated.
Sure.. its a pain in the arse having to do that, but it is easy. Its going to take a heck of a lot more to make people stop using Windows than this.
This is getting to be a regular thing that annoys me on/., the absolute insistance that the tiniest thing MS do 'wrong', is the one thing we've been waiting for that'll push people to Linux in droves. Get over it, and get some kind of sense of perspective. Its going to need a seriously big screw-up by MS to force people over to Linux. Its also going to need a killer app for home users to be only available on Linux, which we're yet to see.
Excuse my ignorance relating to gcc.. but wouldn't upping the "MAKEOPTS" flag to say, -j180, do the trick? GCC should be splitting the job up nicely with that high a process count? Distcc is all well and good, but its for seperate installations on seperate machines:D rather than for parrallelising across a single system.
I've been wondering. Surely the Windows 64bit vaporware / farce has been going on longer than the whole situation with DOS in that case? Microsoft have been saying that 64bit Windows is just around the corner for a long time now, with barely more than a tech beta available. Surely it could be argued by the chip manufacturers (Intel and its Itanic? Compaq and its Alpha? AMD and the Opteron?), if not Linux distros, that people are not buying entry level 64bit chips because there isn't the suitable server software yet, or because Microsoft are 'just about' to release software? Its taken something significant like the AMD64 bit chips, with their very fast 32bit performance to even begin to open up the possible 64bit market, and even then the majority are only being used in 32bit mode.
..."Babylon 5: I've Found Her" which employs accurate physics. I guarantee you won't enjoy hyperspace, though...
Hyperspace was the one thing that put me off of Bablyon5. I didn't even manage to complete the tutorial. Maybe I'm just crap at space sims, but I can't fly blind, just using pathetic seeming sensors for navigation. I mean.. when you hit hyperspace, all you can see is whether you're 'left' or 'right' of your waypoint. The tiniest corrections leave you shooting off for miles, missing your target and getting 'lost' in hyperspace. Its a real shame.. I loved the actual space part. It was great to see something that obeyed the laws of physics (Tachyon: The Fringe made a small attempt, but then went and added afterburners, which you could cheat into real physics mode by hitting 'slide' when you got to full speed) flying around space once you got to grips with it was fantastic.
I just had flashbacks to where I was going to get some MP3's from somewhere and *they* were individually zipped - which *IS* insane, becuase the resulting zip's were either larger than, the same size, or less than a dozen bytes shorter than the MP3 files were.
I remember sitting in a computing class several years ago, bemusedly watching a fellow student zip up a zip file, of a zip file, of a zip file, trying desperately to shave 10k off the filesize so he could fit it onto a floppy disk. Eventually someone leaned over to him and pointed out that winzip has a disk spanning function.
Even funnier - I just went to download an ISO, and its *in a ZIP file*.
Thats nothing unusual, I've seen this numerous times for different projects. You can nicely reduce the overall size of the file if you zip up an ISO, which for an OSS non-profit site would be of great interest, reducing bandwidth quotas. Given ReactOS is aimed at being an alternative-to-microsoft Windows, it'd figure that their primary market would probably have Windows installed somewhere to download the file. After all.. its being burnt to a CD somehow anyway, and that implies a full OS install.
Charmed.. I'm sure.
If you weren't being so idiotically quick to answer, and so stupidly quick to put people down, I was replying to the comment above, not stating that there wasn't a solution to the overall issue.
That doesn't work, tragically. I was hacking an irritating module for Mambo the other day, that I knew had specified somewhere in one of the files a background colour, rather than using the overall Mambo template like its supposed to. Peeking at the HTML source I found the hex code for the colour. Figured rather than opening each document and doing a find, I'd do a search for all 'files and directories' that contained that HEX string. No joy. As far as WinXP could figure, that string didn't exist, even though I've got indexing turned on on the drive.
In the end I opened all the files in Textpad and used its 'find in all files' method to dig out the annoying line of code.
Basically, the patent covers automatic conversion of charges to the currency chosen by the user, and calculation of all additional charges (e.g. transport costs) before authorising the order.
Thats easy then. You can just switch it so that conversion takes place after authorisation of the order, put a link to XE.com so they can do their own conversion beforehand; and include a table detailing shipment costs.
You've really got to admire the Mozilla team's marketing strategy. Whether they intended it or not there is hardly a day gone past since a week or two ago when there hasn't been a major article about Firefox (and its forthcoming release) amongst the mainstream news or tech journals.
It's obvious that it's going to take a lot of promotional work to get the browser out there a little bit more, converting the unwashed IE-using masses, but isn't it getting a little bit too over the top?
We get it. Firefox is released on November 9th. You don't have to tell us several times a day until launch!
Music Player:- VLC, Winamp, wxMusic, XMMS, Freeamp...
Movie Player:- MPlayer, Xine, Winamp, Quicktime, Fullscreen Movie Player...
Once again slashdot shows what the average end user still fails to understand. There is no reason to be stuck on any specific platform.
Now if only we could get a marketing budget together as big as the major companies so we could push cross platform computing..
Apologies if I've left our your favourite program;-)
But is this move irrevokable? What if Novell is bought-out and and some new owner decides to make their profits off of IP licensing? How safe is it to assume that this makes you safe from infringment litigation?
You can't live a life based on what ifs.. you've got to draw a line somewhere and go by faith that its not going to happen. Sometimes you get screwed by it, sometimes you don't. That's life. If you're forever sitting going "but what if?" you'll never actually do anything.
Come on.. give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Its not all that hard now, is it? Its not like there is even anything to suggest that they're even about to be taken over.
So they tax car fuel disproportionately despite the alternative (public transport) having even worse CO2 emissions per passenger mile.
Which is why public transport is (and has been for a couple of years now) making a very public transition to using environmentally fuels / power systems. Sure the transition isn't fast, but the writing off a bus after a few years service, just to get an environmentally friendly one isn't good economics. Several of the major busses that run through my town have been EF almost since the scheme was introduced
Besides this, I wonder if your statistics supporting your viewpoint (sources would be nice?) about public transport were actually using the polution cost per person, or whether it was just an overal look at running a bus / train / whatever for a few hours?
The bottom line is, that people are responsible for their own actions. Any attempt to blame something else for your own actions, is just some cheap lawyer trick.
Now if only we can persuade the public about this we might finally start to shift away from this completely rediculous compensation / blame culture. Its rampant in the US and becoming an issue in the UK as well now. Working in a UK college (16-19 year olds primarily), its quite noticeable that most of them seem to try to blame everything else for their problems but themselves; no matter how you explain it to them they will not seemingly understand that they're responsible for the outcome of their actions. I think thats what is up with this whole case. The Lawyer or his client just will not accept that someone can do something evil like that.. they have to find something to blame, or face the shock that humanity is capable of such acts.
In my opinion, if you put an entry up on a blog, you've made them public domain, effectively saying "Hey, world, I've got no secrets here, come and take a peek."
How is that different from some other guy then having taken a peek, posted it on? Sure, the guy might have asked, but he didn't do anything particularly wrong. Its still the same access rights as before, only its in a different place. Frankly, if you don't want people to copy your comments / views, don't shove them onto the internet in an easily accessible format.
Too many people put blogs up on the internet these days that contain information that if they thought about it for more than the a second they'd realise they didn't really want to tell the world, or they did but not quite in those words.
I see no problem in him writing a letter(which was funny) deriding MS when he was able to write a better scanner himself. Especially since MS are supposed to have put security first, and is a company with Billions in assets and cash. In other words, MS had effectively infinite resources compared to this guy and they didn't do their job. They should get slapped in the face for it.
But how do you think MS will view the letter? As stated in the parent, this letter is just self serving. No corporation would give it even half the time of day it deserves because the first thing it does is insult the reader and the company he works for. Companies I've worked for tend to just throw abusive letters into the waste paper recycling bin and ignore the content. If you can't make the effort to write a decent letter, they can't be bothered to read it
The author of this letter has not written this letter to Microsoft. He's written it to serve as a boot licker, to promote himself in geek culture as yet another person beating MS at their own game, and taking cheap pot-shots at the in the process. If he had any serious thoughts about their work it would have been formal, well written and concise whilst remaining descriptive enough to be of use. It would also have been rather boring for an open letter, and probably wouldn't have made slashdot. As it is he's succeeded rather admirably in his real goals
Unfortunately, on the X window system it DOES affect size, since the display is specified in pixels rather than screen area. Finer pixel spacing means a smaller image and attempting to tweak that is not pretty.
That was the most significant advantage of NeWS over X.
Most CRT monitors have a physical resolution of 72 or 96dpi, depending on how modern they are. 72dpi is the same as on a TV set. Thats fixed. When you choose a different resolution to the stated optimum for your screen, it has to adjust the image to fit into the viewable area, so its automagically scaled. Changing the resolution doesn't change your displays DPI, it can't.
Windows has a DPI setting, buried amongst its settings (Display properties > Settings > Advanced > General) If you change that resolution, to say 120dpi, because your screen is only 96dpi, what would normally take up one inch of your screen would now take up 1 1/4 inches of space to display.
Increasing the DPI of a display allows more detail to be displayed in that inch, allowing better resolution fonts, images, more definition. Take this last jump, 368 up from 300dpi. Over a 2.2" screen thats up from 225,000 pixels to display something to 270,848; an increase of just over 20%.
It doesn't mean the existing fonts get shrunk, the fonts can get more detailed. What muppet is honestly going to design a display for practical commercial use that you need a magnifying glass for?!
You must have started the installation a few years ago...
Distcc is your friend:-)
Don't even need to have a second machine running Linux to use Distcc, just use the Gentoo LiveCD, set your network card settings, configure distcc, and away you go.
Admittedly used the majority of BBC sources, but primarily for two reasons: 1) Not linked to the government, and are publicly funded so their viewpoints are normally rather unbiased, and solidly based on fact 2) I just happened to be browsing the bbc news site at the time and used its search engine. I'll dig up a lot more sources if you so desire, across a wide spectrum of sites. Regardless of how citizens of the USA view the country, their politicians have done a very good job of convincing a good proportion of the world that the americans put economy well before ecology. That the US is the biggest global polluter, per capita, doesn't do much to counter thta viewpoint.
But, like, what other, like, word would they use, likeyouknow, to fill in the, like, blanks of the coversations, like, whilst their brains are, like, youknow, catching up with, like, their mouths?
A friend of mine regularly talks like this, and at times I just want to strangle him. It takes him twice as long to say something, and I'm sure he's got no idea just how much it irritates everyone. The BBC Comedy series "Little Britain" does a superb series of sketches using a character who is rather prone to speaking like that
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Novell is to Linux, what Apple is to BSD.
Not really. Novell OES sits on top of a standard Linux installation, rather than taking Linux and redoing large chunks of it to serve their own purposes. The provided system is on top of what is / was SUSE, and it is still clearly linux. It operates the same way, feels the same, can run all the same programs without recompiling them and so on. For the non-linux geeks that couldn't "make" their way out of a paper bag, you can even use bog-standard Redhat RPMs to install software. Novell Netware has always been an NOS Kernel that provided most of its core functionality at that level. The change to OES removes NOS functionality from the kernel entirely, making it seperate functions that operate on top of the kernel. These functions have been ported across to Linux.
Personally I think Novell are on to a potential winner here, provided management don't screw up. Novell is offering something that is lacking in Linux, a consolidated LDAP based network/user management system, using a tried, tested and proven good infrastructure. I've been supporting a busy Novell network for 5 years now, and I'm more than impressed with it, particularly when I compare it to the hassles experienced with MS AD boxes. Novell were streets ahead of MS's AD with the development of the NDS tree, and they have remained reasonably so.
Perhaps the poster should have specified that you need useful attention.
Instead of ending up with a massive additional bandwidth costs as a million or so slashdot readers flock to your website?
Amazing how that works, isn't it. I could see it being worth it if everyone loved Windows. But the only reason people even use it in the first place is because it's easy. Something idiotic like this makes it a LOT less so.
Hmm.. how does this make XP a 'LOT less' easy to use?
Like most people that tinker about with their home machines, I regularly re-install XP, not as a consequence of anything wrong with MS's package, just as a result of what I've screwed up on it. As a consequence my XP almost never activates on-line, the site seems to allow a certain number of activations with a period of time.
So.. go to activate, Windows pops up a nice, clear, concise window that tells me there is a problem activating my product over the internet, and asks me to dial a number. The number is in a nice clear font, so little chance of me failing to read it correctly.
I call, get connected to an MS rep within a minute, read out the text string on the screen, following the clear guidance from the MS rep. They tell me a code to type in, I press a button, and voila, Windows is activated.
Sure.. its a pain in the arse having to do that, but it is easy. Its going to take a heck of a lot more to make people stop using Windows than this.
This is getting to be a regular thing that annoys me on /., the absolute insistance that the tiniest thing MS do 'wrong', is the one thing we've been waiting for that'll push people to Linux in droves. Get over it, and get some kind of sense of perspective. Its going to need a seriously big screw-up by MS to force people over to Linux. Its also going to need a killer app for home users to be only available on Linux, which we're yet to see.
Excuse my ignorance relating to gcc.. but wouldn't upping the "MAKEOPTS" flag to say, -j180, do the trick? GCC should be splitting the job up nicely with that high a process count? Distcc is all well and good, but its for seperate installations on seperate machines :D rather than for parrallelising across a single system.
A machine that can compile a Stage1 Gentoo install in a reasonable amount of time.
I've been wondering. Surely the Windows 64bit vaporware / farce has been going on longer than the whole situation with DOS in that case? Microsoft have been saying that 64bit Windows is just around the corner for a long time now, with barely more than a tech beta available. Surely it could be argued by the chip manufacturers (Intel and its Itanic? Compaq and its Alpha? AMD and the Opteron?), if not Linux distros, that people are not buying entry level 64bit chips because there isn't the suitable server software yet, or because Microsoft are 'just about' to release software? Its taken something significant like the AMD64 bit chips, with their very fast 32bit performance to even begin to open up the possible 64bit market, and even then the majority are only being used in 32bit mode.
Hyperspace was the one thing that put me off of Bablyon5. I didn't even manage to complete the tutorial. Maybe I'm just crap at space sims, but I can't fly blind, just using pathetic seeming sensors for navigation. I mean.. when you hit hyperspace, all you can see is whether you're 'left' or 'right' of your waypoint. The tiniest corrections leave you shooting off for miles, missing your target and getting 'lost' in hyperspace. Its a real shame.. I loved the actual space part. It was great to see something that obeyed the laws of physics (Tachyon: The Fringe made a small attempt, but then went and added afterburners, which you could cheat into real physics mode by hitting 'slide' when you got to full speed) flying around space once you got to grips with it was fantastic.
I just had flashbacks to where I was going to get some MP3's from somewhere and *they* were individually zipped - which *IS* insane, becuase the resulting zip's were either larger than, the same size, or less than a dozen bytes shorter than the MP3 files were.
I remember sitting in a computing class several years ago, bemusedly watching a fellow student zip up a zip file, of a zip file, of a zip file, trying desperately to shave 10k off the filesize so he could fit it onto a floppy disk. Eventually someone leaned over to him and pointed out that winzip has a disk spanning function.
Even funnier - I just went to download an ISO, and its *in a ZIP file*.
Thats nothing unusual, I've seen this numerous times for different projects. You can nicely reduce the overall size of the file if you zip up an ISO, which for an OSS non-profit site would be of great interest, reducing bandwidth quotas. Given ReactOS is aimed at being an alternative-to-microsoft Windows, it'd figure that their primary market would probably have Windows installed somewhere to download the file. After all.. its being burnt to a CD somehow anyway, and that implies a full OS install.
Charmed.. I'm sure. If you weren't being so idiotically quick to answer, and so stupidly quick to put people down, I was replying to the comment above, not stating that there wasn't a solution to the overall issue.
That doesn't work, tragically.
I was hacking an irritating module for Mambo the other day, that I knew had specified somewhere in one of the files a background colour, rather than using the overall Mambo template like its supposed to. Peeking at the HTML source I found the hex code for the colour. Figured rather than opening each document and doing a find, I'd do a search for all 'files and directories' that contained that HEX string. No joy. As far as WinXP could figure, that string didn't exist, even though I've got indexing turned on on the drive.
In the end I opened all the files in Textpad and used its 'find in all files' method to dig out the annoying line of code.
Basically, the patent covers automatic conversion of charges to the currency chosen by the user, and calculation of all additional charges (e.g. transport costs) before authorising the order.
Thats easy then. You can just switch it so that conversion takes place after authorisation of the order, put a link to XE.com so they can do their own conversion beforehand; and include a table detailing shipment costs.
You've really got to admire the Mozilla team's marketing strategy. Whether they intended it or not there is hardly a day gone past since a week or two ago when there hasn't been a major article about Firefox (and its forthcoming release) amongst the mainstream news or tech journals.
It's obvious that it's going to take a lot of promotional work to get the browser out there a little bit more, converting the unwashed IE-using masses, but isn't it getting a little bit too over the top?
We get it. Firefox is released on November 9th. You don't have to tell us several times a day until launch!
Most users need a web browser, email client, instant message client, an office suite, a music player, and a movie player.
Once again slashdot shows what the average end user still fails to understand. There is no reason to be stuck on any specific platform.
Now if only we could get a marketing budget together as big as the major companies so we could push cross platform computing..
Apologies if I've left our your favourite program ;-)
But is this move irrevokable? What if Novell is bought-out and and some new owner decides to make their profits off of IP licensing? How safe is it to assume that this makes you safe from infringment litigation?
You can't live a life based on what ifs.. you've got to draw a line somewhere and go by faith that its not going to happen. Sometimes you get screwed by it, sometimes you don't. That's life. If you're forever sitting going "but what if?" you'll never actually do anything.
Come on.. give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Its not all that hard now, is it? Its not like there is even anything to suggest that they're even about to be taken over.
So they tax car fuel disproportionately despite the alternative (public transport) having even worse CO2 emissions per passenger mile.
Which is why public transport is (and has been for a couple of years now) making a very public transition to using environmentally fuels / power systems. Sure the transition isn't fast, but the writing off a bus after a few years service, just to get an environmentally friendly one isn't good economics. Several of the major busses that run through my town have been EF almost since the scheme was introduced
Besides this, I wonder if your statistics supporting your viewpoint (sources would be nice?) about public transport were actually using the polution cost per person, or whether it was just an overal look at running a bus / train / whatever for a few hours?
The bottom line is, that people are responsible for their own actions. Any attempt to blame something else for your own actions, is just some cheap lawyer trick.
Now if only we can persuade the public about this we might finally start to shift away from this completely rediculous compensation / blame culture. Its rampant in the US and becoming an issue in the UK as well now. Working in a UK college (16-19 year olds primarily), its quite noticeable that most of them seem to try to blame everything else for their problems but themselves; no matter how you explain it to them they will not seemingly understand that they're responsible for the outcome of their actions.
I think thats what is up with this whole case. The Lawyer or his client just will not accept that someone can do something evil like that.. they have to find something to blame, or face the shock that humanity is capable of such acts.
I tried peddling my ass a long distance but I just couldn't find anyone remotely interested in donkeys :-(
In my opinion, if you put an entry up on a blog, you've made them public domain, effectively saying "Hey, world, I've got no secrets here, come and take a peek."
How is that different from some other guy then having taken a peek, posted it on? Sure, the guy might have asked, but he didn't do anything particularly wrong. Its still the same access rights as before, only its in a different place. Frankly, if you don't want people to copy your comments / views, don't shove them onto the internet in an easily accessible format.
Too many people put blogs up on the internet these days that contain information that if they thought about it for more than the a second they'd realise they didn't really want to tell the world, or they did but not quite in those words.
I see no problem in him writing a letter(which was funny) deriding MS when he was able to write a better scanner himself. Especially since MS are supposed to have put security first, and is a company with Billions in assets and cash. In other words, MS had effectively infinite resources compared to this guy and they didn't do their job. They should get slapped in the face for it.
But how do you think MS will view the letter? As stated in the parent, this letter is just self serving. No corporation would give it even half the time of day it deserves because the first thing it does is insult the reader and the company he works for. Companies I've worked for tend to just throw abusive letters into the waste paper recycling bin and ignore the content. If you can't make the effort to write a decent letter, they can't be bothered to read it
The author of this letter has not written this letter to Microsoft. He's written it to serve as a boot licker, to promote himself in geek culture as yet another person beating MS at their own game, and taking cheap pot-shots at the in the process. If he had any serious thoughts about their work it would have been formal, well written and concise whilst remaining descriptive enough to be of use. It would also have been rather boring for an open letter, and probably wouldn't have made slashdot. As it is he's succeeded rather admirably in his real goals
Unfortunately, on the X window system it DOES affect size, since the display is specified in pixels rather than screen area. Finer pixel spacing means a smaller image and attempting to tweak that is not pretty. That was the most significant advantage of NeWS over X.
Most CRT monitors have a physical resolution of 72 or 96dpi, depending on how modern they are. 72dpi is the same as on a TV set. Thats fixed. When you choose a different resolution to the stated optimum for your screen, it has to adjust the image to fit into the viewable area, so its automagically scaled. Changing the resolution doesn't change your displays DPI, it can't. Windows has a DPI setting, buried amongst its settings (Display properties > Settings > Advanced > General) If you change that resolution, to say 120dpi, because your screen is only 96dpi, what would normally take up one inch of your screen would now take up 1 1/4 inches of space to display.
Increasing the DPI of a display allows more detail to be displayed in that inch, allowing better resolution fonts, images, more definition. Take this last jump, 368 up from 300dpi. Over a 2.2" screen thats up from 225,000 pixels to display something to 270,848; an increase of just over 20%.
It doesn't mean the existing fonts get shrunk, the fonts can get more detailed. What muppet is honestly going to design a display for practical commercial use that you need a magnifying glass for?!
Distcc is your friend :-)
Don't even need to have a second machine running Linux to use Distcc, just use the Gentoo LiveCD, set your network card settings, configure distcc, and away you go.
Admittedly used the majority of BBC sources, but primarily for two reasons: 1) Not linked to the government, and are publicly funded so their viewpoints are normally rather unbiased, and solidly based on fact 2) I just happened to be browsing the bbc news site at the time and used its search engine. I'll dig up a lot more sources if you so desire, across a wide spectrum of sites. Regardless of how citizens of the USA view the country, their politicians have done a very good job of convincing a good proportion of the world that the americans put economy well before ecology. That the US is the biggest global polluter, per capita, doesn't do much to counter thta viewpoint.
But, like, what other, like, word would they use, likeyouknow, to fill in the, like, blanks of the coversations, like, whilst their brains are, like, youknow, catching up with, like, their mouths?
A friend of mine regularly talks like this, and at times I just want to strangle him. It takes him twice as long to say something, and I'm sure he's got no idea just how much it irritates everyone. The BBC Comedy series "Little Britain" does a superb series of sketches using a character who is rather prone to speaking like that
Come on.. this is the USA being talked about here, you know, the same one that signed the Kyoto agreement and promptly pulled out of it not wanting to harm the economy, that even doubted that global warming was real despite of the evidence to the contrary, eventually catching up with the rest of us, and is the biggest producer of pollution in the world, bar none (The US contains 4% of the world's population but produces about 25% of all carbon dioxide emissions.)
The concept of looking out for the environment like this is news for them.