Well.. I'm not too sure about the article, I have run an irc server on Linux that served about 50 simultanious users. It worked fine. Of course this is really nothing compared to Dalnet, Effnet, or pretty much anything else;)
My guess is that a lot of people want it free.. as in free beer. These are of course also the warez kiddies;) If a portion of the corel cds are gpled they should be labeled as such, however not everything on the cd needs to be GPL in my opinion, much like some of the commercial product offerings Redhat and Corel offer are non re-distributable.
Well I'm guessing that the non distributable part applies due to the commercial corel software that they include with the distribution. It would make sense for them to protect a commercial product they bundle with their free software. I would assume this is fairly legal as both Caldera's 2.x offering with partition magic and Redhat's Secure Server edition are non redistributable. (correct me if I'm wrong) Maybe they will have a commercial distribution with this license, and a free distributable one without the commercial software a-la Caldera. Also to the poster above who mentioned "Let's screw Corel and put their cds up on ftp" It's _exactly_ this type of behavior that made me switch from Linux to BeOS. When someone creates a product that you use you should thank them, not screw them in the back. Corel has made some good donations (Wordperfect comes to mind) And stabbing them in the back with a kitchen knife is really not a good way of repayment.
Reliability is an area where many operating systems excell, that hardly makes linux original. This makes Linux no less different then freebsd for example.
First of all windows users are not automaticly computer novices nor are linux users automaticly experienced computer users. Yes pointing out flaws in windows is easy, so is Linux. My point is that Linux is not a godsend, it is not the "ultimate" operating system, in fact I've yet to be pointed out at what area Linux excells at. I view Linux as a jack of all trades, it runs on a variety of hardware, it has a large number of apps. However it can't claim to be superior in any single field. Therefore this notion of the older Unixes bowing down and surrendering to Linux is just that, a notion.
Um what has fallen so far? Linux killed what? Irix? Solaris? *BSD ? I for one have yet to see Linux run well in SMP? It has a journaling file system? Does it have an easy install like Be? Does it have great 3D preformance like Windows? Heck it couldn't even beat the NT that everyone seems to love to bash here in the mindcraft benchmarks after it had the hell tuned out of it by Linux experts. Is Linux a good operating system in my opinion? Yeah. Is it some Messiah come to bring all of unix together? Eh..get real.
Um Windows 2000 will run on Merced, that brings linux back down to the bottom of the popularity barrel where it is now. Also I've not heard whether or not Solaris and BeOS will be running on Merced. As to the fragmentation of the Unix world coming into the forum of Linux? What a joke, especially how most of these fragmented unixes are still light years ahead of Linux in SMP, networking, and other fields.
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World's best operating system?;) Eh happy birthday but don't let that ego grow too much
Hmm.. well I tried installing FreeBSD about two years ago and the text based install completely confused the heck out of me, is the install engine the same or has it changed over the last year or so? Also does FreeBSD have a driver for the Be file system?;) Finally is there a downloadable iso?
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Wow;) What a concept, a company creates a product and refuses to show how it did so because it wants to be reimbursed for it's effors. I suppose we should also boycott non open source videogames? What's next? Cars? Planes? "Sir this soup isn't open source, I'd like something on the GNU menu"
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It this a Linux only board? Or will it also work under BeOS, *BSD, etc?
Add more FUD into the arguement? I'm just relating my experiences. I have _yet_ to see a BSD user scream for their license to be forced upon someone. If you would like to see "FUD" or however you call it, then read all the snide remarks that are made against apple or microsoft whenever a newsbit concerns them.
Well it was an interesting article in any case;) From my experience I've noticed that FreeBSD users tend to look down at Linux users, viewing them as immature unix children of sorts. Of course if anyone is offended by this then look no further then the way Linux Zealots view Windows, MacOS, or any other operating system;) The GPL vs BSD license idea does present an interesting point, it seems that Linux users tend to "shove" the GPL licensing into people's mouths, if it's not GPL then it can't be allowed to live. An example would be the recent QT war. However I've yet to see BSD advocates do a similar thing. Luckily I've switched to BeOS where the Be fanatics just poke jokes instead of screaming and biting other operating systems;)
Gee..and once again all the Linux trolls come rolling out brandishing overclocked celerons and calling for Apple's death. This is becoming quite predictable. Well anyway this looks pretty cool;) although I'm not a fan of MacOS I would personally like to have an iBookish type notebook with a G4 processor running BeOS in the near future. It's always interesting to try out new things. Just my two cents.
Mmm sounds yummy, hopefully BE Inc will quickly take advantage of this and add G3 support to BeOS. I would love to have a nice cheap G3 tower running BeOS;) Actually those iBook laptops look good too.. Are there any chances for 3rd party G3/G4 laptops?
I used it before switching over from Linux to BeOS. There are some package differences but the main thing is that Redhat focuses on Gnome as their "frontrunner" desktop environment, while Mandrake places KDE in it's place. There are a few things I liked about Mandrake 6 that Redhat did not have.
1) A update wizard, using it you could with just a few clicks contact the Mandrake update website and download/install updated rpms
2) When Mandrake 6 was released they also released an official ISO for those of us with cd-writers. This was an excellent step that saved me a lot of trouble. Finding a official Redhat 6 ISO was impossible for me, I had to go through 2 custom baked ones before I found one that worked.
3) Mandrake 6 release had KDE Themes, Redhat 6 didn't. As an interesting side effect I've noticed that on my system (celeron 300 (no not overclocked;p) 128mb ram, and TNT card) KDE Theme manager FLEW, it allowed me to change themes on the fly as opposed to E which pauses for about 10 seconds before displaying the new theme. I found this actually rather strange since so many people claim KDE to be slow.
Anyway that's just my two cents;) I'm in BeOS now though and I doubt I'll be touching Linux again any time soon. I do miss themes but I can live without them;)
As a person who's family member works at SGI I can tell you a few things;) First off SGI hasn't written IRIX off, if anyone believes that Linux has some sort of technological advantage of IRIX they're living under a rock. SGI is moving with Linux on the Intel platform only, their normal machines will still be running Irix until Linux matures enough to replace it (which I doubt will ever happen)
First off most buisnesses out there care about money first, quality second. They wouldn't stay in buisness otherwise. "Go Amd, Go Cyrix" ? That's strange since I've yet to see a single amd/cyrix SMP systems;) Yes it would be a shame if Intel chose to disable SMP for their celeron processors, but please don't believe that AMD or Cyrix well cater to your SMP needs either.
Actually what I've found amusing is this worshipping of the K7 for the last year even though there's still no definative launch date. Of course that still doesn't beat the "We hate intel!" crowd who use celerons and think they're screwing Intel over by doing so;)
My BeAim works fine also, apparently the only client that's affected is the MS Client.. =) quite frankly I could care less. Aol stated that they are refusing the MS client due to security issues, it's their software and their choice.
I have a very hard time seeing Intel taking a beating from the BP6 motherboard, or anything else Abit makes. Yes it's interesting to run a dual celeron system, but serious firms with large budgets and stability in mind tend to go the pentium 2/3 way. Also remember that every celeron cpu that's purchased takes away a user from AMD and puts them on Intel's bandwagon. I'd say if I was intel I'd be quite pleased with the succes of the celeron;) which is looks like they are as new chips continue to crank out.
Okay;) So anyone know of when there will be a Apache release that works reasonably well on BeOS? It'd be interesting to see some serving benchmarks as compared to *BSD, Linux and Solaris
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Well.. I'm not too sure about the article, I have run an irc server on Linux that served about 50 simultanious users. It worked fine. Of course this is really nothing compared to Dalnet, Effnet, or pretty much anything else ;)
My guess is that a lot of people want it free.. as in free beer. These are of course also the warez kiddies ;) If a portion of the corel cds are gpled they should be labeled as such, however not everything on the cd needs to be GPL in my opinion, much like some of the commercial product offerings Redhat and Corel offer are non re-distributable.
Well I'm guessing that the non distributable part applies due to the commercial corel software that they include with the distribution. It would make sense for them to protect a commercial product they bundle with their free software. I would assume this is fairly legal as both Caldera's 2.x offering with partition magic and Redhat's Secure Server edition are non redistributable. (correct me if I'm wrong) Maybe they will have a commercial distribution with this license, and a free distributable one without the commercial software a-la Caldera. Also to the poster above who mentioned "Let's screw Corel and put their cds up on ftp" It's _exactly_ this type of behavior that made me switch from Linux to BeOS. When someone creates a product that you use you should thank them, not screw them in the back. Corel has made some good donations (Wordperfect comes to mind) And stabbing them in the back with a kitchen knife is really not a good way of repayment.
Reliability is an area where many operating systems excell, that hardly makes linux original. This makes Linux no less different then freebsd for example.
First of all windows users are not automaticly computer novices nor are linux users automaticly experienced computer users. Yes pointing out flaws in windows is easy, so is Linux. My point is that Linux is not a godsend, it is not the "ultimate" operating system, in fact I've yet to be pointed out at what area Linux excells at. I view Linux as a jack of all trades, it runs on a variety of hardware, it has a large number of apps. However it can't claim to be superior in any single field. Therefore this notion of the older Unixes bowing down and surrendering to Linux is just that, a notion.
Wow great, so you managed to cut and snip parts of my post without actually telling me what operating systems Linux has killed.
Um what has fallen so far? Linux killed what? Irix? Solaris? *BSD ? I for one have yet to see Linux run well in SMP? It has a journaling file system? Does it have an easy install like Be? Does it have great 3D preformance like Windows? Heck it couldn't even beat the NT that everyone seems to love to bash here in the mindcraft benchmarks after it had the hell tuned out of it by Linux experts. Is Linux a good operating system in my opinion? Yeah. Is it some Messiah come to bring all of unix together? Eh..get real.
Um Windows 2000 will run on Merced, that brings linux back down to the bottom of the popularity barrel where it is now. Also I've not heard whether or not Solaris and BeOS will be running on Merced. As to the fragmentation of the Unix world coming into the forum of Linux? What a joke, especially how most of these fragmented unixes are still light years ahead of Linux in SMP, networking, and other fields.
World's best operating system? ;) Eh happy birthday but don't let that ego grow too much
Hmm.. well I tried installing FreeBSD about two years ago and the text based install completely confused the heck out of me, is the install engine the same or has it changed over the last year or so? Also does FreeBSD have a driver for the Be file system? ;) Finally is there a downloadable iso?
Hmm.. how long before Naga shows up? O.O
Wow ;) What a concept, a company creates a product and refuses to show how it did so because it wants to be reimbursed for it's effors. I suppose we should also boycott non open source videogames? What's next? Cars? Planes? "Sir this soup isn't open source, I'd like something on the GNU menu"
It this a Linux only board? Or will it also work under BeOS, *BSD, etc?
Add more FUD into the arguement? I'm just relating my experiences. I have _yet_ to see a BSD user scream for their license to be forced upon someone. If you would like to see "FUD" or however you call it, then read all the snide remarks that are made against apple or microsoft whenever a newsbit concerns them.
Well it was an interesting article in any case ;) From my experience I've noticed that FreeBSD users tend to look down at Linux users, viewing them as immature unix children of sorts. Of course if anyone is offended by this then look no further then the way Linux Zealots view Windows, MacOS, or any other operating system ;) The GPL vs BSD license idea does present an interesting point, it seems that Linux users tend to "shove" the GPL licensing into people's mouths, if it's not GPL then it can't be allowed to live. An example would be the recent QT war. However I've yet to see BSD advocates do a similar thing. Luckily I've switched to BeOS where the Be fanatics just poke jokes instead of screaming and biting other operating systems ;)
Gee..and once again all the Linux trolls come rolling out brandishing overclocked celerons and calling for Apple's death. This is becoming quite predictable. Well anyway this looks pretty cool ;) although I'm not a fan of MacOS I would personally like to have an iBookish type notebook with a G4 processor running BeOS in the near future. It's always interesting to try out new things. Just my two cents.
No BeOS binary for us BeOS users :P
Mmm sounds yummy, hopefully BE Inc will quickly take advantage of this and add G3 support to BeOS. I would love to have a nice cheap G3 tower running BeOS ;) Actually those iBook laptops look good too.. Are there any chances for 3rd party G3/G4 laptops?
I used it before switching over from Linux to BeOS. There are some package differences but the main thing is that Redhat focuses on Gnome as their "frontrunner" desktop environment, while Mandrake places KDE in it's place. There are a few things I liked about Mandrake 6 that Redhat did not have.
;p) 128mb ram, and TNT card) KDE Theme manager FLEW, it allowed me to change themes on the fly as opposed to E which pauses for about 10 seconds before displaying the new theme. I found this actually rather strange since so many people claim KDE to be slow.
;) I'm in BeOS now though and I doubt I'll be touching Linux again any time soon. I do miss themes but I can live without them ;)
1) A update wizard, using it you could with just a few clicks contact the Mandrake update website and download/install updated rpms
2) When Mandrake 6 was released they also released an official ISO for those of us with cd-writers. This was an excellent step that saved me a lot of trouble. Finding a official Redhat 6 ISO was impossible for me, I had to go through 2 custom baked ones before I found one that worked.
3) Mandrake 6 release had KDE Themes, Redhat 6 didn't. As an interesting side effect I've noticed that on my system (celeron 300 (no not overclocked
Anyway that's just my two cents
Hope this answers some of your questions
As a person who's family member works at SGI I can tell you a few things ;) First off SGI hasn't written IRIX off, if anyone believes that Linux has some sort of technological advantage of IRIX they're living under a rock. SGI is moving with Linux on the Intel platform only, their normal machines will still be running Irix until Linux matures enough to replace it (which I doubt will ever happen)
First off most buisnesses out there care about money first, quality second. They wouldn't stay in buisness otherwise. "Go Amd, Go Cyrix" ? That's strange since I've yet to see a single amd/cyrix SMP systems ;) Yes it would be a shame if Intel chose to disable SMP for their celeron processors, but please don't believe that AMD or Cyrix well cater to your SMP needs either.
Actually what I've found amusing is this worshipping of the K7 for the last year even though there's still no definative launch date. ;)
Of course that still doesn't beat the "We hate intel!" crowd who use celerons and think they're screwing Intel over by doing so
My BeAim works fine also, apparently the only client that's affected is the MS Client.. =) quite frankly I could care less. Aol stated that they are refusing the MS client due to security issues, it's their software and their choice.
I have a very hard time seeing Intel taking a beating from the BP6 motherboard, or anything else Abit makes. Yes it's interesting to run a dual celeron system, but serious firms with large budgets and stability in mind tend to go the pentium 2/3 way. Also remember that every celeron cpu that's purchased takes away a user from AMD and puts them on Intel's bandwagon. I'd say if I was intel I'd be quite pleased with the succes of the celeron ;) which is looks like they are as new chips continue to crank out.
Okay ;) So anyone know of when there will be a Apache release that works reasonably well on BeOS? It'd be interesting to see some serving benchmarks as compared to *BSD, Linux and Solaris