Actually, this precedent was set by the Republicans some time ago.
Nope, sorry, its not. The Republicans did not pass some of Clinton's nominees through committee. They were also the majority party at the time. While this may have been overly partisan of them it is utterly concievable that those same nominees would have not been approved by the senate using the direc t rules of the constitution.
The Democrats new twist is to say, to hell with being the majority in order to vote down nominees, we want to beat them when we have a minority of the votes for confirmation, but we want to eliminate the nominee anyway. That's another level above the majority disagreeing with presidential nomninees. Now the Democrats precident sets up, to be fair on their part (which they won't be when they get a minoirty again), a situation where the minority should always have the right to veto judicial nominees.
Like I said, if the Democrats are fair in the future to Republican minorities when a Democrat is president, they will have to accept Republican fililbusters, or be hypocrates.
Now of course, if the Democrats get a majority in the next election, you are correct, anyone complaining about them stopping presidential nominees in committe would in fact be a hypocrate.
That the people have been brainwashed into never challenging it
If that were true, then why is the Supreme Court too busy too hear all the cases brought to it?
The US is the most litigious country in the world. People routinely challenge, other people, companies, even the government. Serious questions are being asked.
Although if the Democrats are allowed to execute the "fillibuster" too much longer the courts will eventually wither away through attrition. And thats not really a political viewpoint, all I'm saying is that if the Democrats can do this then the Republicans can do it too if they lose the majority. The precident has been set, in fact if the Democrats don't allow Republicans to fillibuster nominees of future Democrat presidents, the will be utter and complete hypocrates. Their fillibuster actions are truly dangerous to checks and balances. And those checks are needed if you want to do things like fight the patriot act.
....maybe we can't do that because we don't ALL AGREE.
Now there are some things that we might be able to all get behind, like patent reform, copyright reform, fighting DRM. Actually alot of that would be good.
The only thing is that some issues, if included, would blow the whole thing apart, like this one, anything dealing foreign policy, anything dealing with taxes, the environment, and even the outsourcing debate.
I know the liberal(progressive?) viewpoint is prevalent on/., but its not a dominant enough view to say that/. could present that viewpoint as all that/. stands for.
How do you know it isn't going to go away. Most of the provisions in the Patroit Act haven't been brought into the court system to determine their constitionality. These things can be struck down.
There is nothing that says congress can't pass unconstititional laws, but the constitition does say that congress' laws can be struck down by the courts.
You're comletely correct. Thats also the reason I never give them a direct answer to their Dell question, because as you've said at that point they're just looking for justification.
What the shortage in India says to me is that businesses are all so caught up in getting on the next bandwagon that they always go wayyy overboard.
What was particularly appealing to them wrt oursourcing was that businesses were so mad at themselves for overdoing things during the internet boom that they were more than happy to overdo their "revenge" on the workforce.
Great comment!! Your comments about recommending Macs ring very true to me. I have recommended Macs to 4 people now as a response to the question: What kind of PC should I buy?
Invariable the followup after i answer Mac, is: No what kind of _PC_ should I buy?
And the worst thing is that they always ask at some point: Would a Dell be a good PC to buy?
Its frustrating.
Of course now with the Apple news yesterday, its frustrating in another way. Now I have to decide if _I_ should just go ahead an buy a mini, or wait for the new intel powered ones, or build another Linux box.
The other possibility is that Apple have got seriously pissed off watching IBM spew out the 3-core G5 for the XBox 360, the Cell for the PS3, and leaving them with an aging 2.7GHz CPU.
Yep, you got it. Apple had no choice. They were going to lose the laptop market completely. In fact they will already be a good deal behind when the first Powerbooks with intel roll out.
But, I had always expected that if Apple had stayed with IBM for chips that they would get OS X onto the cell processor, and that would have rocked. But, I like Linux too, so I'll be fine with Linux being the first os to get to cell. I think it will be revolutionary. I also hope Microsoft has a lot of problems getting Windows ported to cell processors, but their foray into the PowerPC for the 360 might actually just be part of their plan to get there.
I think you might be right, it is probably too risky for Congress to attack right now. BTW: if you think the broadcast flag is small beans compared to Social Security reform, remember, the broadcast flag will translate to Joe TV viewer to "you can't record HDTV at all" and that is a big thing.
Now, for the next election cycle. Democrats, while you are pushing hard for regaining majority status, make sure you let your candidates know that the broadcast flag is truly evil, BEFORE, you try to get them elected.
I would hate to see liberals here on/. cheer a victory in the next election only to see their guys become the champions in trying to resurrect the broadcast flag.
Actually I had to spend quite a while in this discussion thread to finally see any comments on the homework study, because there is this giant thread about PC because somebody was offended because someone's sig said "Politics is really happy (sic)". Ok he used another word.
There are so many people ratched up so tight as to find offense (as later stated) in anything stated about anything, by anyone, because they have created the perception in their mind that the group which they don't even belong to would be offended.
That is PC out of control. And as you may have noticed, it sidetracked the real discussion in a big way.
God I hate Political Correctness, oh wait I mean $DIETY I hate Political Correctness, err rather, I hate Political Correctness, or maybe better yet, I dislike Political Correctness, or oh yeah,
What I love is that its becoming more and more apparent that skipping comercials in a RECORDING is considered illegal by the MPAA, but yet if I watch something live, I can change the channel or leave the room and thats ok.
I mean come on, this is ridiculous.
Although I suspect that someday the MPAA may have congress make a law requiring TV to not allow you to change channels during commercials and add sensors to make sure you don't move......
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Actually, this precedent was set by the Republicans some time ago.
Nope, sorry, its not. The Republicans did not pass some of Clinton's nominees through committee. They were also the majority party at the time. While this may have been overly partisan of them it is utterly concievable that those same nominees would have not been approved by the senate using the direc t rules of the constitution.
The Democrats new twist is to say, to hell with being the majority in order to vote down nominees, we want to beat them when we have a minority of the votes for confirmation, but we want to eliminate the nominee anyway. That's another level above the majority disagreeing with presidential nomninees. Now the Democrats precident sets up, to be fair on their part (which they won't be when they get a minoirty again), a situation where the minority should always have the right to veto judicial nominees.
Like I said, if the Democrats are fair in the future to Republican minorities when a Democrat is president, they will have to accept Republican fililbusters, or be hypocrates.
Now of course, if the Democrats get a majority in the next election, you are correct, anyone complaining about them stopping presidential nominees in committe would in fact be a hypocrate.
Thats a really good idea.
That the people have been brainwashed into never challenging it
If that were true, then why is the Supreme Court too busy too hear all the cases brought to it?
The US is the most litigious country in the world. People routinely challenge, other people, companies, even the government. Serious questions are being asked.
Although if the Democrats are allowed to execute the "fillibuster" too much longer the courts will eventually wither away through attrition. And thats not really a political viewpoint, all I'm saying is that if the Democrats can do this then the Republicans can do it too if they lose the majority. The precident has been set, in fact if the Democrats don't allow Republicans to fillibuster nominees of future Democrat presidents, the will be utter and complete hypocrates. Their fillibuster actions are truly dangerous to checks and balances. And those checks are needed if you want to do things like fight the patriot act.
....maybe we can't do that because we don't ALL AGREE.
/., but its not a dominant enough view to say that /. could present that viewpoint as all that /. stands for.
Now there are some things that we might be able to all get behind, like patent reform, copyright reform, fighting DRM. Actually alot of that would be good.
The only thing is that some issues, if included, would blow the whole thing apart, like this one, anything dealing foreign policy, anything dealing with taxes, the environment, and even the outsourcing debate.
I know the liberal(progressive?) viewpoint is prevalent on
How do you know it isn't going to go away. Most of the provisions in the Patroit Act haven't been brought into the court system to determine their constitionality. These things can be struck down.
There is nothing that says congress can't pass unconstititional laws, but the constitition does say that congress' laws can be struck down by the courts.
What, if inciting a vi vs. emacs flamewar isn't news , I don't know what is ;-)
....then their web server melted.
You're comletely correct. Thats also the reason I never give them a direct answer to their Dell question, because as you've said at that point they're just looking for justification.
What the shortage in India says to me is that businesses are all so caught up in getting on the next bandwagon that they always go wayyy overboard.
What was particularly appealing to them wrt oursourcing was that businesses were so mad at themselves for overdoing things during the internet boom that they were more than happy to overdo their "revenge" on the workforce.
Great comment!! Your comments about recommending Macs ring very true to me. I have recommended Macs to 4 people now as a response to the question: What kind of PC should I buy?
Invariable the followup after i answer Mac, is: No what kind of _PC_ should I buy?
And the worst thing is that they always ask at some point: Would a Dell be a good PC to buy?
Its frustrating.
Of course now with the Apple news yesterday, its frustrating in another way. Now I have to decide if _I_ should just go ahead an buy a mini, or wait for the new intel powered ones, or build another Linux box.
Sadly, it makes absolutely perfect sense.
I really do hope you are right about this. If Apple does things right, they can co-exist on multiple architectures.
The other possibility is that Apple have got seriously pissed off watching IBM spew out the 3-core G5 for the XBox 360, the Cell for the PS3, and leaving them with an aging 2.7GHz CPU.
Yep, you got it. Apple had no choice. They were going to lose the laptop market completely. In fact they will already be a good deal behind when the first Powerbooks with intel roll out.
But, I had always expected that if Apple had stayed with IBM for chips that they would get OS X onto the cell processor, and that would have rocked. But, I like Linux too, so I'll be fine with Linux being the first os to get to cell. I think it will be revolutionary. I also hope Microsoft has a lot of problems getting Windows ported to cell processors, but their foray into the PowerPC for the 360 might actually just be part of their plan to get there.
Too true. I was very interested in buying a mini, but now I don't know.
Apple better be prepared for 2-3 quarters of abysmal hardware sales.
And if the new intel hardware isn't smoking when it comes out, they will be in real trouble.
I think you might be right, it is probably too risky for Congress to attack right now. BTW: if you think the broadcast flag is small beans compared to Social Security reform, remember, the broadcast flag will translate to Joe TV viewer to "you can't record HDTV at all" and that is a big thing.
/. cheer a victory in the next election only to see their guys become the champions in trying to resurrect the broadcast flag.
Now, for the next election cycle. Democrats, while you are pushing hard for regaining majority status, make sure you let your candidates know that the broadcast flag is truly evil, BEFORE, you try to get them elected.
I would hate to see liberals here on
Actually I had to spend quite a while in this discussion thread to finally see any comments on the homework study, because there is this giant thread about PC because somebody was offended because someone's sig said "Politics is really happy (sic)". Ok he used another word.
There are so many people ratched up so tight as to find offense (as later stated) in anything stated about anything, by anyone, because they have created the perception in their mind that the group which they don't even belong to would be offended.
That is PC out of control. And as you may have noticed, it sidetracked the real discussion in a big way.
God I hate Political Correctness, oh wait I mean $DIETY I hate Political Correctness, err rather,
I hate Political Correctness, or maybe better yet,
I dislike Political Correctness, or oh yeah,
Fuck Political Correctness
Yes, but do the click like the old IBM keyboards, now THAT would be worth the extra money.
You gotta wonder if you can rotate the display 180 degrees. That way the buttons would end up on the right, albeit in a different arrangement.
That the ticket. A lot of handhelds have intel chips running them.
That what this is about. The is another Apple handheld coming!!!
Writers, directors, actors, yes.
Audience, no.
(And Firefox sucks for putting configs in 'my documents')
;-)
Really, huh, I didn't know that Fedora had a 'my documents'
Ummmmm... so you're saying that in one case you don't see the ad, and in the other case you don't see the ad?
Yes, I can see the difference there...
but hes not a starship captain.
Except when hes on the Defiant....
Of course the Defiant was just an attempt to keep up with Babylon 5 and their White Stars.
Of course in the same vien Captain Sheridan blows ANY Star Trek captain out of the water.
What I love is that its becoming more and more apparent that skipping comercials in a RECORDING is considered illegal by the MPAA, but yet if I watch something live, I can change the channel or leave the room and thats ok.
I mean come on, this is ridiculous.
Although I suspect that someday the MPAA may have congress make a law requiring TV to not allow you to change channels during commercials and add sensors to make sure you don't move......