Yes, let's get rid of pre-rendered cut-scenes, most people from what I've seen -- don't want them.
That is laughably ridiculous. Some genres practically demand them. Fans of FF VII - X would be pretty fucking pissed off if you took away their FMV.
OTOH, I am one of those people who would prefer all new games to use the game engine for cutscenes instead of re-rendered FMV.
Honestly? It really depends on how long the game is. If it's every half an hour changing to another DVD, no. If it's after say, seven hours of game play to get another set of stages, sure.
So seven hours. I can easily see filling a DVD with less than seven hours of content. Is that *necessary*? Of course not. But necessity is a retarded argument. Games aren't necessary, period. Why complain about developers having more resources to use?
Wow, you're still being a short-sighted... nevermind.
First of all, many games use lossy compresion for textures in order to fit on a DVD, so you're wrong there.
At the moment, no I don't see the need for it -- Worst comes to worst, we will see games with two DVDs -- which by the way, we don't see people constantly switching DVDs to play - Think final fantasy.
Have you seen FF recently? The videos are very visibly compressed.
Sure. We could use multiple DVDs. But, eg. UT2k4 already ships on two DVDs, with no single player campaign and no FMV. How many DVDs are you willing to shuffle for one game?
You're really trying extremely hard to be a short-sighted dipshit, and your comparison between BMP and PNG is retarded.
The real comparison you're looking for is BMP => JPEG. Lossless compression simply isn't enough to fit modern games on a DVD. Perhaps with Blueray, if the developers just don't need the whole disc for content, they can use lossless compression in that case.
Now, you can criticize Sony all you want for the expense they went to in order to add the extra storage, but to deride the fact that they added more storage is short-sighted and stupid.
After all, 640K is not enough for everybody(yes, I realize Bill Gates didn't actually say that).
I know the difference between a GB and a Gb you assface. It was just an honest mistake.
Geez, I thought/.ers weren't the type to jump to conclusions...:)
Seriously... unless you haven't been paying attention, it's blindingly obvious that most/.ers probably don't know the difference between a Gb and a GB.
DS ROMs are not limited to a couple megabytes, although many of them may indeed be that small. The storage capacity of a DS cart is actually quite large, considering, at 1GB.
Yeah, Carmack has said the 360 is nice and easy to develop for, but what's kinda funny about that is Quake 4 has some not insignificant framerate problems on the 360.
I have no idea if that's indicative of any problems whatsoever with the 360 in general, I am only pointing it out for the sake of fairness here.
But, honestly, I don't think AA is too important for 720p and up. OTOH, I agree with the AC that Gears of War doesn't look so hot.
Sheesh... get a fucking life Dave. Anyone with as much emotional investment in any company as you seem to have in Apple has some sort of serious emotional problems.
I used to play hockey in a small(ish)* local adult league. If he harassed us like he does gamers, he would likely not be in good physical health today. There were plenty of instances of bloodletting for offences much less severe than what this assclown delivers.
Gamers have shown remarkable restraint towards this man.
* It was much larger than the more official local hockey scene.
We live in a capitalist society, and despite popular scoffing, execs are not all stupid. This is a bad business idea from the inside out. I don't see it taking hold.
Have you been under a rock the past several years?
Everything's a joke, and nothing is sacred (especially if it's something a lot of people like)
What? Like starting civil wars in countries who are no threat to us... for oil? Yeah, we all like that.
It just becomes more and more obvious that people like yourself who so despise the likes of Stewart and Colbert are just terribly ill-equipped to deal with the world.
Grow up. Thousands of people depend on ReiserFS, and it's perfectly normal to ask what will happen with it. Or does your business not ever think about what to do should an extremely important employee get hit by the proverbial bus?
I take it you're not a gamer then, and you shouldn't really bother participating in this discussion, except to bait those of us who DO play games into a flamefest?
Or, wait, do you own a 360, or original Xbox. You only mentioned MS having one MS OS... Are you being evasive?
Do you buy consoles/games from lawsuit happy only-official-strategy-guides, "emulators are illegal", everything-20-years-old-is-new-again, Now In Pink! Nintendo?
Sony publically apologized for the rootkits... Which was a Sony BMG decision, not SCE. Everything has DRM now... *sigh* Neither MS or Nintendo are much if at all better. I really don't get why Sony has come under so much fire lately. They aren't unique in any way.
The only real sport to be found through a computer nowadays is trolling message boards.
Which you seem to be pretty good at indeed. You injected the perfect amount of truth, in this case quite a bit, just with (mostly) wrong (well, IMO) conclusions. Ie. gaming isn't dead, it's just kinda sucky at the moment.
This "gen" won't be a writeoff either, even if what you say is somewhat true. The Wii will prove useful, even if it sucks for traditional games(not enough evidence at this point to say with 100% certainty), it will be fun for some things. There's some great titles in development for the 360 -- Gears of War(doesn't look like my cup of tea, but looks good nonetheless), uh... that one Action RPG, Bioshock, and etc. The PS3 is expensive indeed, but the price will come down, probably sooner rather than later, or as soon as it's not selling out -- they've already reduced the Japanese launch price, and there's some excellent games in development for it too.
Some growing pains perhaps, but not a total bomb for gaming.
My $800 gaming PC plays FEAR with the standard settings at 1280x720(I use my 50" HD set for PC gaming) at an almost constant 60 FPS. FEAR is not considered "last gen" by any stretch, not yet anyway. Oblivion runs very well too, at 720p.
Macs are shit for gaming, BTW, since they don't come with highish-end video cards, which run about $300 retail.
So while PC gaming is still definately more expensive... it's not even close to your ridiculous $4k.
So do you. The OP was quite mild mannered considering, labelling any of it vitriol was pretty extreme, IMNSHO.
The vitriol statements were refering to the choice use of colorful language.
Because he used the word "bullshit?" That's hardly colorful. His choice to use a colloquial tone and language in his written response to an article lacking any sort of professionalism is quite appropriate. And his criticism is perfectly justified in response to the absolutely endless barrage of misinformation and lies posted by Zonk at least 5 times per day.
There are real issues to be concerned about, and they can be discussed in a manner thats not FUD.
Sure, but there has been asbolutely no discussion of the PS3 on this site that wasn't a complete mess of FUD.
Now that said, I gladly concede that I completely misread the tone of your original response. I sincerely apologize, I do. But there's just this one bit... I really have to comment on this one particular paragraph:
First party development is not significant. Almost all games are cross platform. It would be a bad business decision to do otherwise. Final Fantasy games are exclusive, but they are changing their formula with their last (next) PS2 outing- FF XII, what are the reprocussions of that move? We don't know.
That is laughably ridiculous. First party development is not significant? That is absolute folly! First party development has floated Nintendo for over 10 years! Sony's first party titles were some of the biggest sellers -- and on the other hand, some of the most interesting and artistic -- games on the PS2. First party development is what made virtually any at all Xboxes sell. For Christ's sake man, without Halo, PGR, and Forza, where the hell would the Xbox have been?!
Yes, we don't know about FF at this point. But it's pretty safe to assume, given Square's track record, that even if it absolutely sucks, it'll still move a lot of PS3s. For FF, it would be considered a bomb to only sell 1 or 2 million copies.
Ok. I'm going to assume that maybe you meant, "Third party development is not significant." Slightly better. Barely. Almost just as stupid of a statement. Or maybe stupider, I can't decide. Lack of third party development is what has kept Nintendo down for over 10 years. Without third party development(people can only play so much Halo), the Xbox would been third place. Without third party development, Sony would not have been the console leader for over 10 years.
Now, in a rational discussion of this console "war," we'd be discussing the amount of 3rd party support, the first party offerings, the potential of the hardware, the nationalistic Japanese and American factors, marketing, and the cost. We'd weigh these factors, which is not easy by any stretch, and we'd all go about our merry way and buy what best suited each of us. Instead... instead we have irrational discussions sparked with painfully juvenile commentary from Zonk, about how much Sony sucks. Despite noone here ever seeing the hardware, and apparently being completely ignorant of what games are available on each platform, and just what the capabilities of each platform is, or might be. Instead, the discussion revolves around how much we all hate Sony(Jesus, when did/. stop hating MS?), and making fun of Sony execs(not that I disapprove of making fun of corporate execs, on the contrary...).
I'd really love to see some rational gaming discussion on/., but it's just not going to happen.
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Yes, let's get rid of pre-rendered cut-scenes, most people from what I've seen -- don't want them.
That is laughably ridiculous. Some genres practically demand them. Fans of FF VII - X would be pretty fucking pissed off if you took away their FMV.
OTOH, I am one of those people who would prefer all new games to use the game engine for cutscenes instead of re-rendered FMV.
Honestly? It really depends on how long the game is. If it's every half an hour changing to another DVD, no. If it's after say, seven hours of game play to get another set of stages, sure.
So seven hours. I can easily see filling a DVD with less than seven hours of content. Is that *necessary*? Of course not. But necessity is a retarded argument. Games aren't necessary, period. Why complain about developers having more resources to use?
Wow, you're still being a short-sighted... nevermind.
First of all, many games use lossy compresion for textures in order to fit on a DVD, so you're wrong there.
At the moment, no I don't see the need for it -- Worst comes to worst, we will see games with two DVDs -- which by the way, we don't see people constantly switching DVDs to play - Think final fantasy.
Have you seen FF recently? The videos are very visibly compressed.
Sure. We could use multiple DVDs. But, eg. UT2k4 already ships on two DVDs, with no single player campaign and no FMV. How many DVDs are you willing to shuffle for one game?
You're really trying extremely hard to be a short-sighted dipshit, and your comparison between BMP and PNG is retarded.
The real comparison you're looking for is BMP => JPEG. Lossless compression simply isn't enough to fit modern games on a DVD. Perhaps with Blueray, if the developers just don't need the whole disc for content, they can use lossless compression in that case.
Now, you can criticize Sony all you want for the expense they went to in order to add the extra storage, but to deride the fact that they added more storage is short-sighted and stupid.
After all, 640K is not enough for everybody(yes, I realize Bill Gates didn't actually say that).
I know the difference between a GB and a Gb you assface. It was just an honest mistake.
/.ers weren't the type to jump to conclusions... :)
/.ers probably don't know the difference between a Gb and a GB.
Geez, I thought
Seriously... unless you haven't been paying attention, it's blindingly obvious that most
DS ROMs are not limited to a couple megabytes, although many of them may indeed be that small. The storage capacity of a DS cart is actually quite large, considering, at 1GB.
Yeah, Carmack has said the 360 is nice and easy to develop for, but what's kinda funny about that is Quake 4 has some not insignificant framerate problems on the 360.
I have no idea if that's indicative of any problems whatsoever with the 360 in general, I am only pointing it out for the sake of fairness here.
But, honestly, I don't think AA is too important for 720p and up. OTOH, I agree with the AC that Gears of War doesn't look so hot.
Just... wow. I've always suspected that management was worthless, now these clever fellows have proven it.
Z0MG OH NOES!!!
Sheesh... get a fucking life Dave. Anyone with as much emotional investment in any company as you seem to have in Apple has some sort of serious emotional problems.
I am SO relieved.
After the suppository kicks in you might be.
Exhibit 1.) Frothing at the mouth death penalty supporter.
I used to play hockey in a small(ish)* local adult league. If he harassed us like he does gamers, he would likely not be in good physical health today. There were plenty of instances of bloodletting for offences much less severe than what this assclown delivers.
Gamers have shown remarkable restraint towards this man.
* It was much larger than the more official local hockey scene.
We live in a capitalist society, and despite popular scoffing, execs are not all stupid. This is a bad business idea from the inside out. I don't see it taking hold.
Have you been under a rock the past several years?
And in helping your friends out, you've committed a FELONY.
Insane? Why, yes.
Everything's a joke, and nothing is sacred (especially if it's something a lot of people like)
What? Like starting civil wars in countries who are no threat to us... for oil? Yeah, we all like that.
It just becomes more and more obvious that people like yourself who so despise the likes of Stewart and Colbert are just terribly ill-equipped to deal with the world.
Grow up. Thousands of people depend on ReiserFS, and it's perfectly normal to ask what will happen with it. Or does your business not ever think about what to do should an extremely important employee get hit by the proverbial bus?
Aha yes! :)
I do respect your position. Thanks for replying.
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I take it you're not a gamer then, and you shouldn't really bother participating in this discussion, except to bait those of us who DO play games into a flamefest?
Or, wait, do you own a 360, or original Xbox. You only mentioned MS having one MS OS... Are you being evasive?
Do you buy consoles/games from lawsuit happy only-official-strategy-guides, "emulators are illegal", everything-20-years-old-is-new-again, Now In Pink! Nintendo?
Sony publically apologized for the rootkits... Which was a Sony BMG decision, not SCE. Everything has DRM now... *sigh* Neither MS or Nintendo are much if at all better. I really don't get why Sony has come under so much fire lately. They aren't unique in any way.
The only real sport to be found through a computer nowadays is trolling message boards.
Which you seem to be pretty good at indeed. You injected the perfect amount of truth, in this case quite a bit, just with (mostly) wrong (well, IMO) conclusions. Ie. gaming isn't dead, it's just kinda sucky at the moment.
This "gen" won't be a writeoff either, even if what you say is somewhat true. The Wii will prove useful, even if it sucks for traditional games(not enough evidence at this point to say with 100% certainty), it will be fun for some things. There's some great titles in development for the 360 -- Gears of War(doesn't look like my cup of tea, but looks good nonetheless), uh... that one Action RPG, Bioshock, and etc. The PS3 is expensive indeed, but the price will come down, probably sooner rather than later, or as soon as it's not selling out -- they've already reduced the Japanese launch price, and there's some excellent games in development for it too.
Some growing pains perhaps, but not a total bomb for gaming.
Many of the health problems people face today are only serious concerns later in life, ie. after people are done procreating.
What? How can you say that? Can you explain the logic you used to make that statement?
What the fuck are you talking about? How is anything you said even remotely related?
It' rather telling that you find --> this <-- funny.
You seem so eager to kill people. Are you certain there is not something terribly wrong with you?
My $800 gaming PC plays FEAR with the standard settings at 1280x720(I use my 50" HD set for PC gaming) at an almost constant 60 FPS. FEAR is not considered "last gen" by any stretch, not yet anyway. Oblivion runs very well too, at 720p.
Macs are shit for gaming, BTW, since they don't come with highish-end video cards, which run about $300 retail.
So while PC gaming is still definately more expensive... it's not even close to your ridiculous $4k.
So do you. The OP was quite mild mannered considering, labelling any of it vitriol was pretty extreme, IMNSHO.
The vitriol statements were refering to the choice use of colorful language.
Because he used the word "bullshit?" That's hardly colorful. His choice to use a colloquial tone and language in his written response to an article lacking any sort of professionalism is quite appropriate. And his criticism is perfectly justified in response to the absolutely endless barrage of misinformation and lies posted by Zonk at least 5 times per day.
There are real issues to be concerned about, and they can be discussed in a manner thats not FUD.
Sure, but there has been asbolutely no discussion of the PS3 on this site that wasn't a complete mess of FUD.
Now that said, I gladly concede that I completely misread the tone of your original response. I sincerely apologize, I do. But there's just this one bit... I really have to comment on this one particular paragraph:
That is laughably ridiculous. First party development is not significant? That is absolute folly! First party development has floated Nintendo for over 10 years! Sony's first party titles were some of the biggest sellers -- and on the other hand, some of the most interesting and artistic -- games on the PS2. First party development is what made virtually any at all Xboxes sell. For Christ's sake man, without Halo, PGR, and Forza, where the hell would the Xbox have been?!
Yes, we don't know about FF at this point. But it's pretty safe to assume, given Square's track record, that even if it absolutely sucks, it'll still move a lot of PS3s. For FF, it would be considered a bomb to only sell 1 or 2 million copies.
Ok. I'm going to assume that maybe you meant, "Third party development is not significant." Slightly better. Barely. Almost just as stupid of a statement. Or maybe stupider, I can't decide. Lack of third party development is what has kept Nintendo down for over 10 years. Without third party development(people can only play so much Halo), the Xbox would been third place. Without third party development, Sony would not have been the console leader for over 10 years.
Now, in a rational discussion of this console "war," we'd be discussing the amount of 3rd party support, the first party offerings, the potential of the hardware, the nationalistic Japanese and American factors, marketing, and the cost. We'd weigh these factors, which is not easy by any stretch, and we'd all go about our merry way and buy what best suited each of us. Instead... instead we have irrational discussions sparked with painfully juvenile commentary from Zonk, about how much Sony sucks. Despite noone here ever seeing the hardware, and apparently being completely ignorant of what games are available on each platform, and just what the capabilities of each platform is, or might be. Instead, the discussion revolves around how much we all hate Sony(Jesus, when did
I'd really love to see some rational gaming discussion on