Archetypes is much prettier to work with, but a lot of the stuff it eliminates is just boilerplate anyway. I found only one example of using multiple permissions in Archetypes and it was overly complex and convoluted (better than nothing?). Doing this in Zope (and CMF?) is as simple as one function call.
Archetypes docs are also kinda crappy, I have references out the yang. However what I do not have, are good working examples of simple to complex products; with detailed explanations of what's happening. I think this is the easiest way to improve upon archetypes.
I intend on writing a comprehensive guide to building CMF/Plone products when I'm finally done figuring it out. I should be pretty qualified to do so after I finish my company's Intranet project which is no small task.
I'm not sure quite yet if I intend on selling it or providing it free.. Perhaps both?
Have you actually tried to develop new content types (Filesystem Products) for it? Plone stand-alone (plus any premade products) is/are great. Developing your own stuff is a god damned nightmare. That's what I'm doing as of now, that is my job.
Plone is based off the Zope CMF, documentation for the CMF/Plone (from a developer standpoint) is virtually non-existent.
I'm only persisting because I know once I figure it out one time, I'll have a good scaffolding for any future content types. I've spent over 2 weeks and can't yet add my new content type to Plone.
I love Plone/CMF, but god the free docs are crap.
"Plone Content Management Essentials" - I have not explored her book from a user perspective. However as a developer, it's worthless to me. It may verywell be useful to 'users'.
For one thing, I don't think people come to linux for the apps. IMHO the FOSS desktop applications tend to be inferior to their proprietary counterparts. While yes, you do have to pay for the latter, they also tend to be higher quality, more polished, and have more/better features.
If this isn't the case, why are we always playing "catch-up" and creating FOSS versions of pay software?
Sorry, people don't come to linux for the apps. I think the migrations is for primarily these reasons: People don't like paying for anything. People don't like Microsoft. They can settle for the products that Linux has; because while inferior, they get the job done.
Don't get me wrong, not ALL linux software is inferior of course, several projects stand out from the crowd and excel and are better than their pay counterparts: Firefox, Thunderbird, Apache, etc.
This is probably the most overrated, post I've ever read in my life. How many ISPs (ATT, Level3, Above.net, etc.) charge a "per page" fee? No, you pay for a certain speed (eg 100MBit) and a certain number of gigabytes per month.
It may be obfuscation, but I seriously doubt it. Bandwidth savings are probably part of it, but if you haven't noticed a big thing with google is speed. If there are 1000 functions and they all have short 2 letter names vs. long descriptive names of probably 8 or more characters, they save 6K on the names of their functions alone! That doesn't begin to count the number of times the functions are called within that javascript. They're probably saving upwards of 100K on that script by shortening names of functions.
If I had to guess, it's a combination of bandwidth and, more importantly, speed. Won't someone please think of the dialup users?!
Doesn't have to, it conducts electrictiy. Just plug it into the wall and shock the everliving hell out of your Mithril garb... same principle as cleaning an oven but cooler.
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You must not have ever looked at enterprise class hardware. I know if I ever start a business I'll be sure to get the bargain basement equipment for the websites that pull in several thousand dollars a minute.
This is a very broad question. The company I work for has about 50K customers on the primary web cluster at a given time. There is some serious money invested in this though as it's our main money maker.
Here's an overview of our stuff
Network core: Dual (failover) Cisco 6509 routers - Network guys tell me those two are about 120K each
Web servers: 28 Dell 1750's for corporate sites, operating in a half-in-half-out fasion. The 1750's are about 15k each. We use Cisco CSMs to manage the loadbalancing for these things. I don't know how much the CSMs cost but if I remember right it was over 10k
SQL Server(s): Eight 8-way servers at about 50K each, the operate in a primary-master failover mode. Two production, two standby, two read-only (for reporting so execs don't take down production:), and lab. These SQL servers are running MsSQL which is about 14k/proc
Data storage: SQL servers store their data on Netapp Filers, two production, two standby, one lab. I know we've invested WELL over 1M on these.
Well, all that together costs about $2,336,000. "What's in your wallet"
I purchased a Nomad Jukebox back in the day (6GB), the Nomad requried a proprietary software to copy songs to the device. I lost the CD with the software on it, Creative does not offer a downloadable version of the software on their website. Contacting customer support does not help either as they will not send you the software.
I now have a $300 paperweight. Maybe their practices have changed, but the experience has burned me badly. I will never purchase Creative again. I highly suggest to anyone considering their new product (or any product of theirs for that matter) that you make sure you can get into the device without proprietary software before making a purchase.
I'm with you, in that the article should tell you the 5 W's but you should also know what the DS is. Googling for "DS" will give you exactly what you're looking for on the front page.
OT mention: Damn it must be cool to have a Household name like Google which can be used in almost every sense (Noun, Verb, Etc). VIVA LA GOOGLE!
Considering we're probably the most powerful country in the world (USA that is) we sure are populated with a lot of morons. Conservative morons at that.
I figure it's probably another 20 years or so before people like Shrub are dead, so we only need to hold out another 5 presidential terms.
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Archetypes is much prettier to work with, but a lot of the stuff it eliminates is just boilerplate anyway. I found only one example of using multiple permissions in Archetypes and it was overly complex and convoluted (better than nothing?). Doing this in Zope (and CMF?) is as simple as one function call.
Archetypes docs are also kinda crappy, I have references out the yang. However what I do not have, are good working examples of simple to complex products; with detailed explanations of what's happening. I think this is the easiest way to improve upon archetypes.
I intend on writing a comprehensive guide to building CMF/Plone products when I'm finally done figuring it out. I should be pretty qualified to do so after I finish my company's Intranet project which is no small task.
I'm not sure quite yet if I intend on selling it or providing it free.. Perhaps both?
*shrug* It's getting better..
Have you actually tried to develop new content types (Filesystem Products) for it? Plone stand-alone (plus any premade products) is/are great. Developing your own stuff is a god damned nightmare. That's what I'm doing as of now, that is my job.
Plone is based off the Zope CMF, documentation for the CMF/Plone (from a developer standpoint) is virtually non-existent.
I'm only persisting because I know once I figure it out one time, I'll have a good scaffolding for any future content types. I've spent over 2 weeks and can't yet add my new content type to Plone.
I love Plone/CMF, but god the free docs are crap.
"Plone Content Management Essentials" - I have not explored her book from a user perspective. However as a developer, it's worthless to me. It may verywell be useful to 'users'.
For one thing, I don't think people come to linux for the apps. IMHO the FOSS desktop applications tend to be inferior to their proprietary counterparts. While yes, you do have to pay for the latter, they also tend to be higher quality, more polished, and have more/better features.
If this isn't the case, why are we always playing "catch-up" and creating FOSS versions of pay software?
Sorry, people don't come to linux for the apps. I think the migrations is for primarily these reasons:
People don't like paying for anything.
People don't like Microsoft.
They can settle for the products that Linux has; because while inferior, they get the job done.
Don't get me wrong, not ALL linux software is inferior of course, several projects stand out from the crowd and excel and are better than their pay counterparts: Firefox, Thunderbird, Apache, etc.
This is probably the most overrated, post I've ever read in my life. How many ISPs (ATT, Level3, Above.net, etc.) charge a "per page" fee?
No, you pay for a certain speed (eg 100MBit) and a certain number of gigabytes per month.
It may be obfuscation, but I seriously doubt it. Bandwidth savings are probably part of it, but if you haven't noticed a big thing with google is speed. If there are 1000 functions and they all have short 2 letter names vs. long descriptive names of probably 8 or more characters, they save 6K on the names of their functions alone! That doesn't begin to count the number of times the functions are called within that javascript. They're probably saving upwards of 100K on that script by shortening names of functions.
If I had to guess, it's a combination of bandwidth and, more importantly, speed. Won't someone please think of the dialup users?!
Why in the world, would you want to use P2P for buying music?
Is there some discount I get for other users leeching off my bandwidth?
Doesn't have to, it conducts electrictiy. Just plug it into the wall and shock the everliving hell out of your Mithril garb... same principle as cleaning an oven but cooler.
I'm watching streaming pr0n right now... god bless the internet.
I don't believe it, I use a computer 12+ hours a day, and have for the past 15 years. My eyes are fine, I have better than 20/20 vision.
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You must not have ever looked at enterprise class hardware. I know if I ever start a business I'll be sure to get the bargain basement equipment for the websites that pull in several thousand dollars a minute.
Check out Load Runner, apache bench is probably far too simplistic if you're doing a serious web application. http://www.wilsonmar.com/1loadrun.htm
Here's an overview of our stuff
Well, all that together costs about $2,336,000.
"What's in your wallet"
With the way things are going, making some homegrown solution with some OSS will be the only viable option for a media center.
I already don't want to buy a Tivo with the way they're pandering to those corporate girlie men.
Posting links that require login isn't particularly new. Do you complain about them EVERY time they're posted?
Use http://www.bugmenot.com/
Thank me later.
I purchased a Nomad Jukebox back in the day (6GB), the Nomad requried a proprietary software to copy songs to the device. I lost the CD with the software on it, Creative does not offer a downloadable version of the software on their website. Contacting customer support does not help either as they will not send you the software.
I now have a $300 paperweight. Maybe their practices have changed, but the experience has burned me badly. I will never purchase Creative again. I highly suggest to anyone considering their new product (or any product of theirs for that matter) that you make sure you can get into the device without proprietary software before making a purchase.
I'm with you, in that the article should tell you the 5 W's but you should also know what the DS is. Googling for "DS" will give you exactly what you're looking for on the front page.
OT mention: Damn it must be cool to have a Household name like Google which can be used in almost every sense (Noun, Verb, Etc). VIVA LA GOOGLE!
We now have the remains of at least seven hobbit-sized individuals at the cave site
All they need now is to find a woman in a glass coffin. Maybe prince charming didn't feel like making a housecall to Indonesia?
TROLL! "I'm watching gay porno" links..
The word you're looking for is "prudish".
Considering we're probably the most powerful country in the world (USA that is) we sure are populated with a lot of morons. Conservative morons at that.
I figure it's probably another 20 years or so before people like Shrub are dead, so we only need to hold out another 5 presidential terms.
I wan a Nano-ITX board myself... not quite out yet.
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http://www.beareyes.com.cn/2/lib/200303/18/073/vi
No, just kidding. Here's the real Nano-ITX:
http://www.mini-itx.com/store/subscribe.asp?s=8
Study sponsored by Microsoft with their own DRM agenda to push I presume...
The only thing I'd delete my MP3s for, are OGGs.
Suck it down you hapless technoweenies, Give me DRM-Free or give me death!
Yeah but their keyboard is broken..
Doh, manually updated counter :(
First Donation!
I think... their site said 0 names so far when I donated. I can't get back in to check now!
Well that didn't take long, servers crunched already :)
Is trying to keep me down!