I run Ubuntu server as a NAS, booting from an 8GB Patriot XPorter. Not fast, but easily fast enough for what it's doing, and one less noisy hdd giving off heat. I can't say I would hope to do that for desktop use though.
Agreed. My primary use for the nvidia gpu is watching HD. Let's do some math.
1080 * sqrt570 = 25784
I like. Considering even the most basic of today's gpus, the ion and tegra, for example, are capable of 1080p, Mr Nvidia is predicting that my handheld 6 years hence will be able to smoothly decode mkvs and output them real-time to my new UltraMegaFullHD(TM) 25784p tv? Bring on the future!
So either I'm an IT pro still trying to master the nebulous and temperamental god that is web search, or RSAT for Win7 was posted Friday after I went looking. Either way I'll just take my troll mod and thank you very much.
Get yourself an inexpensive ASUS WL520gu router and install the latest tomato firmware. Blammo! Instant wireless bridge for 4 ethernet devices, no client drivers required. You're welcome.
I tried the RTM on Friday. No Remote Server Administration Tools. Google turns up a blog on technet with a dead link to RSAT beta. There were sundry other disappointments and annoyances, but lack of RSAT was the deal-breaker: less than an hour after it began, my Windows 7 experience ended.
If MS isn't taking care of the tech folk, then who is selling this to the rest of the world? The marketing department? We saw how well that worked for Mojave.
We've come a long way in most respects, I'll give you that. Hardware accelerated HD playback on Linux too is happening, but I want it now, see?
When it comes to open source, I'm part of the pragmatist camp. Yeah, I totally prefer to use the stuff that's open, but then it has to be usable. AMD's video hardware is way more open than nvidia's if you believe the reports, yet time and again I'm disappointed by its poor real-world performance. As I implied earlier in this discussion, ATI has already won my heart, but they have yet to win my dollar.
At this very moment I'm shopping out a new laptop and really waffling between nvidia--closed, but does great HD--and intel--open, but hasn't delivered on HD in linux yet. It's perplexing, and yes, time will sort it all out. I'm leaning toward intel, but I'll be really disappointed if this promised technology doesn't move beyond vapourware some time in the next year or two.
The API for XvBA isn't published yet and we are not sure whether it will be due to legal issues. We're told by a credible source though that X-Video Bitstream Acceleration wouldn't be much of a challenge to reverse-engineer by the open-source community.
Interesting, but not yet useful (unless you're able to reverse-engineer this type of code, and I'm not). I'm still looking forward to the day when ATI hardware is a viable alternative on Linux.
I suppose I could have been clearer. I'm talking about gpu decoding of HD video, conspicuously absent on AMD hardware in Linux, fully functional on NVIDIA.
Good on them. Now how about an API that allows me to run GPU code on the GPU? The day I can play 1080p mkvs from a netbook on AMD/ATI hardware is the day I'll quit buying nvidia.
Although I've never admitted it before now, I've been using this secret tactic to save money on Linux for years: I buy a cheap computer with Windows on it, sneak it home, and then just install Linux over it right away! Why pay retail for Linux?
Do you not read? Are you not aware that file sharing has many legitimate uses? Would it surprise you to learn that bittorrent was created for the express purpose of disseminating legal software updates?
I get a notice via email that then requires _manual processing_. This means that the cost of providing you service, just suddenly went up
No, the cost of providing service to outside interests is going up, thanks to tools like you giving them the time of day. A friend of mine owns and operates an idependent ISP. When he gets a letter from some hot-under-the-collar law firm he just tosses it in the bin and goes on with his day, which usually involves doing real work to make his customers happy in some way.
We are not going to protect you
But you will protect the *IAA?
Secondly, file sharers use a disproportionate share of bandwidth as compared to legal and legit users
So you're just using this as an excuse to boot the customers that use the bandwidth you gave them? Here's an idea: how about just enforcing your ToS instead of bringing some third party into what should be a privileged relationship between you and your client?
I know some stupid ISPs, but none as stupid as you. That's why I don't really believe you're an ISP. More likely a *IAA rep hopping on as AC to try to push my silly agenda.
IMO, the consumer base that primarily looks for pre-installed pre-everything are not going to be the ones actively looking for Linux.
If I'm anything like the typical Linux user, then the typical Linux user probably couldn't care less about what's preinstalled, as long as he isn't forced to pay for it. I'm almost as likely to wipe an Ubuntu preinstall as I am Windows, FreeDOS, or whatever else, but at least they shouldn't ask me to pay for the privilege.
Dell's much more likely to do that for a business like a college that buys many machines than for any individual customer.
That would be my assumption. Nevertheless, somebody has claimed otherwise on the ubuntu forums, and regardless of whether that claim is true, it has inspired me to ask next time I go shopping.
Maybe because the 1% that would buy it with Linux isn't a big enough minority for Dell to care about? I'd yell at Dell, not Microsoft.
Exactly. And this thread is about Amazon refunding that license fee, not MS. Demanding that refund is about putting pressure back on the vendor to support options other than Windows. If the market really didn't want alternatives then we wouldn't be reading stories like this.
Personally I don't care who has to pony up, I just don't like being forced to pay. Whether MS is putting unfair pressure on vendors to sell their products exclusively, as has been alleged, becomes less relevant when the consumer revolts. I have never purchased a Windows license. I don't use it at home, and I don't forsee a day when I will.
Sooner or later I will have to buy a laptop, and if I will most assuredly not be paying for Windows with it. Better if I don't have to go through the ridiculous refund process, but I will if necessary.
What point is it that people hope to make when they do things like this? If you want to support preloaded Linux, why not buy preloaded Linux?
The point is that the new computers that are available with Linux or no OS preloaded are a very tiny fraction indeed of the variety of new computers available with Windows. If I want, for example, a Dell Mini 10 with the new low-power US15W/GMA500 chipset, I am forced to buy with it a license for Windows xp. If you know how to buy this particular model new with Linux or no OS preloaded, please do post back with directions.
If you want to get a PC with no OS at all, why not buy a used machine on eBay that has no OS?
That's just silly. A used machine is not new, has no warranty, and is older and therefore less relevant. Plus, the used machine, if it was bought new with Windows, will be priced accordingly. The Windows license is the one part of that used machine that doesn't wear and tear. If I didn't want to buy Windows on new hardware, why would I want to pay for it on old hardware?
I built my own desktop. No OS.
Cool. I'm still looking for that mini 10/US15W. Can you build that new without Windows?
something about a "Microsoft Tax."
It's a metaphor for a non-optional fee that gives me nothing of value in return. That's not a troll statement--Windows may have value to some, but it has no value to me.
From what I've read, the range of refunds given has been variable if not arbitrary. This thread on the ubuntu forums is an interesting place to start reading about some differenct experiences people have had.
I was also interested to learn recently that it is possible to buy machines with no OS from some vendors. The college I work for has this ability through our Dell rep. This post in the above-mentioned thread is particularly interesting, as it claims that anybody can request and receive a new computer without an OS from several vendors.
The infrastructure cost for humans in space is staggering.
That's why I keep going on about how important it is to plant a garden as soon as you get there. And only flush after number two. "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."
Why not put yourself out of your misery and upgrade to Mac OS X?
This logic has wholly failed up to now, and you think your AC advice at the bottom of this discussion is going to suddenly cause an epiphany for people?
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I run Ubuntu server as a NAS, booting from an 8GB Patriot XPorter. Not fast, but easily fast enough for what it's doing, and one less noisy hdd giving off heat. I can't say I would hope to do that for desktop use though.
The RIAA
Agreed. My primary use for the nvidia gpu is watching HD. Let's do some math.
1080 * sqrt570 = 25784
I like. Considering even the most basic of today's gpus, the ion and tegra, for example, are capable of 1080p, Mr Nvidia is predicting that my handheld 6 years hence will be able to smoothly decode mkvs and output them real-time to my new UltraMegaFullHD(TM) 25784p tv? Bring on the future!
So either I'm an IT pro still trying to master the nebulous and temperamental god that is web search, or RSAT for Win7 was posted Friday after I went looking. Either way I'll just take my troll mod and thank you very much.
'When I heard they didn't have schedules, I was like, "What have they been doing all summer?"'
Enjoying their vacation?
Get yourself an inexpensive ASUS WL520gu router and install the latest tomato firmware. Blammo! Instant wireless bridge for 4 ethernet devices, no client drivers required. You're welcome.
7 times as much DRM!
I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. (With apologies to Saint Matthew)
I tried the RTM on Friday. No Remote Server Administration Tools. Google turns up a blog on technet with a dead link to RSAT beta. There were sundry other disappointments and annoyances, but lack of RSAT was the deal-breaker: less than an hour after it began, my Windows 7 experience ended.
If MS isn't taking care of the tech folk, then who is selling this to the rest of the world? The marketing department? We saw how well that worked for Mojave.
We've come a long way in most respects, I'll give you that. Hardware accelerated HD playback on Linux too is happening, but I want it now, see?
When it comes to open source, I'm part of the pragmatist camp. Yeah, I totally prefer to use the stuff that's open, but then it has to be usable. AMD's video hardware is way more open than nvidia's if you believe the reports, yet time and again I'm disappointed by its poor real-world performance. As I implied earlier in this discussion, ATI has already won my heart, but they have yet to win my dollar.
At this very moment I'm shopping out a new laptop and really waffling between nvidia--closed, but does great HD--and intel--open, but hasn't delivered on HD in linux yet. It's perplexing, and yes, time will sort it all out. I'm leaning toward intel, but I'll be really disappointed if this promised technology doesn't move beyond vapourware some time in the next year or two.
XvBA isn't yet usable by end-users on Linux
The API for XvBA isn't published yet and we are not sure whether it will be due to legal issues. We're told by a credible source though that X-Video Bitstream Acceleration wouldn't be much of a challenge to reverse-engineer by the open-source community.
Interesting, but not yet useful (unless you're able to reverse-engineer this type of code, and I'm not). I'm still looking forward to the day when ATI hardware is a viable alternative on Linux.
does installing Linux somehow magically unsolder the video decoding part of AMD's GPUs?
I'm not going to lie to you; I don't know the answer to that question, and I'm not about to make any assumptions.
I suppose I could have been clearer. I'm talking about gpu decoding of HD video, conspicuously absent on AMD hardware in Linux, fully functional on NVIDIA.
Good on them. Now how about an API that allows me to run GPU code on the GPU? The day I can play 1080p mkvs from a netbook on AMD/ATI hardware is the day I'll quit buying nvidia.
Although I've never admitted it before now, I've been using this secret tactic to save money on Linux for years: I buy a cheap computer with Windows on it, sneak it home, and then just install Linux over it right away! Why pay retail for Linux?
It's the OS from MS, destined briefly for greatness in 2007, but quickly overshadowed by the superior Mojave.
IP2P is used exclusively to STEAL
Do you not read? Are you not aware that file sharing has many legitimate uses? Would it surprise you to learn that bittorrent was created for the express purpose of disseminating legal software updates?
I get a notice via email that then requires _manual processing_. This means that the cost of providing you service, just suddenly went up
No, the cost of providing service to outside interests is going up, thanks to tools like you giving them the time of day. A friend of mine owns and operates an idependent ISP. When he gets a letter from some hot-under-the-collar law firm he just tosses it in the bin and goes on with his day, which usually involves doing real work to make his customers happy in some way.
We are not going to protect you
But you will protect the *IAA?
Secondly, file sharers use a disproportionate share of bandwidth as compared to legal and legit users
So you're just using this as an excuse to boot the customers that use the bandwidth you gave them? Here's an idea: how about just enforcing your ToS instead of bringing some third party into what should be a privileged relationship between you and your client?
I know some stupid ISPs, but none as stupid as you. That's why I don't really believe you're an ISP. More likely a *IAA rep hopping on as AC to try to push my silly agenda.
IMO, the consumer base that primarily looks for pre-installed pre-everything are not going to be the ones actively looking for Linux.
If I'm anything like the typical Linux user, then the typical Linux user probably couldn't care less about what's preinstalled, as long as he isn't forced to pay for it. I'm almost as likely to wipe an Ubuntu preinstall as I am Windows, FreeDOS, or whatever else, but at least they shouldn't ask me to pay for the privilege.
I haven't RTA yet, are they saying how long until they take them back again?
Dell's much more likely to do that for a business like a college that buys many machines than for any individual customer.
That would be my assumption. Nevertheless, somebody has claimed otherwise on the ubuntu forums, and regardless of whether that claim is true, it has inspired me to ask next time I go shopping.
Maybe because the 1% that would buy it with Linux isn't a big enough minority for Dell to care about? I'd yell at Dell, not Microsoft.
Exactly. And this thread is about Amazon refunding that license fee, not MS. Demanding that refund is about putting pressure back on the vendor to support options other than Windows. If the market really didn't want alternatives then we wouldn't be reading stories like this.
Personally I don't care who has to pony up, I just don't like being forced to pay. Whether MS is putting unfair pressure on vendors to sell their products exclusively, as has been alleged, becomes less relevant when the consumer revolts. I have never purchased a Windows license. I don't use it at home, and I don't forsee a day when I will.
Sooner or later I will have to buy a laptop, and if I will most assuredly not be paying for Windows with it. Better if I don't have to go through the ridiculous refund process, but I will if necessary.
What point is it that people hope to make when they do things like this? If you want to support preloaded Linux, why not buy preloaded Linux?
The point is that the new computers that are available with Linux or no OS preloaded are a very tiny fraction indeed of the variety of new computers available with Windows. If I want, for example, a Dell Mini 10 with the new low-power US15W/GMA500 chipset, I am forced to buy with it a license for Windows xp. If you know how to buy this particular model new with Linux or no OS preloaded, please do post back with directions.
If you want to get a PC with no OS at all, why not buy a used machine on eBay that has no OS?
That's just silly. A used machine is not new, has no warranty, and is older and therefore less relevant. Plus, the used machine, if it was bought new with Windows, will be priced accordingly. The Windows license is the one part of that used machine that doesn't wear and tear. If I didn't want to buy Windows on new hardware, why would I want to pay for it on old hardware?
I built my own desktop. No OS.
Cool. I'm still looking for that mini 10/US15W. Can you build that new without Windows?
something about a "Microsoft Tax."
It's a metaphor for a non-optional fee that gives me nothing of value in return. That's not a troll statement--Windows may have value to some, but it has no value to me.
From what I've read, the range of refunds given has been variable if not arbitrary. This thread on the ubuntu forums is an interesting place to start reading about some differenct experiences people have had.
I was also interested to learn recently that it is possible to buy machines with no OS from some vendors. The college I work for has this ability through our Dell rep. This post in the above-mentioned thread is particularly interesting, as it claims that anybody can request and receive a new computer without an OS from several vendors.
The infrastructure cost for humans in space is staggering.
That's why I keep going on about how important it is to plant a garden as soon as you get there. And only flush after number two. "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."
Why not put yourself out of your misery and upgrade to Mac OS X?
This logic has wholly failed up to now, and you think your AC advice at the bottom of this discussion is going to suddenly cause an epiphany for people?
SMS or SCCM
Uh-huh. Is that something I can get from Windows Update? No? sysinternals.com? No? nlite? No again, really?
Nice tools, those, but most desktop users don't have them in their CD wallet.