Why do I hear so stereotypical comments on/. everytime there is a news story reported from other parts of the world? If it is a news story from Europe, it is Europe/EU bashing. If the story is from Asia, suddenly people start making supposedly logical arguments about feeding the poor before doing anything else. Same doesn't apply to the stories from here (US) but we still have some of the same problems.
Don't get me wrong, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of feeding the poor. But since we are talking about misplaced priorities, instead of the positive aspect the actual news story, which is more infrastructure, more access to knowledge and information etc, I thought I should remind Katrina, Healthcare, Jobs, Economy, immigration etc to the commenters here.
Feisty Fawn with "Beryl", whoever she is, written by a whole bunch of random geeks.
It is not the exact name. If you want to be so precise, it is called Ubuntu 7.04 (aka Feisty Fawn). That name is just out of convenience so that everytime you refer to ubuntu you don't have to say Ubuntu 7.04...you can just say Feisty. On the project's main page (www.ubuntu.com), I don't see the name Feisty anywhere.
BTW, Ubuntu is also supported by a company called Canonical...albeit lesser known of the previous two.
Although I agree in part with you regarding the selective breeding, as you said, the selective breeding took place over centuries and with no adverse effects on the population.
Can that be claimed about the GM-corn? Until it can be, I would stick my **regular** corn.
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I'm primarily a XFCE, Fluxbox, GNOME (in that order) user but I have KDE installed too. Although I've preferred GNOME over KDE because that's what I started using a first, I've checked out KDE and I would love to configure it my way and check it out for few days. Is there a website or a small how-to on some of the common enhancements. I know I could just click my way through the desktop and figure out on my own but then again, a short how-to would be an added incentive.
Did the U.S. Coast Guard pick up this satellite or was it some sort of Indian Coast Guard? And India has a "Coast Guard?" That article seems really confusing. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the government has sent the U.S. Coast Guard overseas... nothing surprises me any more relating to the deployment of American forces in places they shouldn't be.
India has about 7600 KM (about 4750 Miles) of coastline and yes it does have a Coast Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Coast_Guard) and fifth largest Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Navy)
I think you are working out a wrong math. You are comparing salaries from different currencies but instead you should be comparing the commodity prices so you can gauge the buying power.
While, 10,000-15,000 rupees is not an enormous amount, consider the fact that most call center employees are young people fresh out of school and have few liabilities. Almost all students coming out of schools (state run) in India don't have education debt. Compare that to a call center employee here (in U.S) that may have college loan and other debts. Not to mention, call center employees here don't exactly mint money either.
So the point is, you cannot simply convert money from one currency to another (rupees to dollars) and say oh it is way too less.
Yes...a troll found a perfect moment to troll. Any news on India and there is a always a stereotypical response like cheap labour, not-enough-food-to-eat.
BTW, what you call cheap labour (in terms of U.S or any western currency) is a high enough pay for middle-class Indians. With around 30,000 rupees, average Indian family can live a life equivalent to a life of a average US family with income of around 70K. And that estimate is a conservative one...most engineers I know get paid around 25,000-30,000 rupees right out of college these days.
What does, and does not, count as an X? If I just have a small dash, should that count? What if I have a small dash in two boxes, or an X in one box and a dash in another box, or X's in all but one box?
In India, they have small rubber stamps in the voting booth with a specific mark (like an "X"). You need to put that on the ballot paper next to the name of the candidate. This mark is standardized so if you put anything else, the vote is discarded. This, however, created one problem...some voters mark the "X" in between the rows with adjacent candidate names. So the question becomes, who the voter really wanted to vote for?
What I've experienced is that, in that situation, the "X" exactly in middle are discarded. The vote gets registered for the candidate that has majority of "X" impression in the column next to his/her name. The decision is taken by a designated election official. The votes in question are scrutinized by a panel again if the contest is a close one.
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Seriously, can we say feature bloat?
Not really...this is an EXTENSION which means it is not built into the firefox code base. You have to put extra effort to actually download and install it. If you download and install then obviously you know what you are doing and the extension is worth something to you. Other could care less and can simply chose to ignore. I don't see how that is a feature bloat.
I'm not joking when I say that running IE under wine is faster and more stable on my machine. FF is leaking memory just sitting there doing nothing -- I can see it happen with top.
I have never used wine and I'll certainly never use IE with Wine under Linux. I'm perfectly fine with Firefox or Epiphany or Mozilla or Konqueror or Opera.
A slight twist to your reply: If the man at the top and a team of Microsoft's best engineers faced defeat, what chance do ordinary punters have of keeping their Windows PCs virus-free?
That's when ordinary punters turn to Linux, Unix, BSD's, Macs.
One of the failures of the Linux community is recognizing the fact that most users don't want and don't care about such a tool. If you want full Linux-installer-style partition and format control over a Windows install, it's there, and it's not that hard to find.
Quite honestly, they should since they would have to install/reinstall their windows a zillion times in order to cleanse their pc's off viruses/spyware. To get a new computer every time it slows down or dies because of virus/spyware is a terrible waste of money. Giving a decent partitioning tool doesn't hurt most average users since they choose not to see it but at the same time benefits power users who want/care about partitioning...i.e. hard disc partitioning not office partitioning
Exactly right!!
I have a dual-boot machine with Windows and Slackware GNU/Linux. I used slackware all the time and have kept windows there just for the heck of it. I use a FAT32 partition on the windows drive (sata) to share my music and movies with Windows. I've been running short on FAT32 disk space so I thought let me reformat my windows disc and recover some space.
I have two more hard discs in my PC (both Linux drives). When I booted with Windows install cd, it took me to the disc formatting section and then kept telling me that there was no **Windows Compatible** partition on two other discs and that I needed to make such a partition on one of those discs so that windows can copy some installation files...bullshit. I had to remove the power cables of my linux drives so that bios will not recognize them. After that, the windows install did not complain it needed a windows compatible partition. I mean this is claimed as one of the most **user-friendly** operating system...user-friendly my ass.
I always wonder how will music industry continue to spend so much moneey suing people for piracy with dwindling sales? How long before they can no longer afford to do that? How about learning something from Microsoft in this field...if you can't beat them, join them.
It is one of the many reasons their cultures are total failures, with recent population growth allowed purely due to technology invented in Europe.
Care of explain how exactly is your culture any better??? I believe you are from US and you have the biggest liar at the topmost position and that too mostly because of family connections. How is that for a reality check?
I use wifi at home with a Linux/Win dual boot desktop, a Linux server, two laptops (one Linux/Win dual boot, other Windows). I use Linux almost exclusively and only go to windows when security updates are announced or probably weekly for an hour to get all the updates. I do this just to avoid any nasty surprise when I have to run windows someday and am backlogged on patches and updates. I used WEP before and changed my keys every week. Now I used WPA. I don't think most people notice or care about security until they are hit badly. I was recently browsing an electronic retailer's store and I overheard a customer rep explaining advantages of Wifi...how a customer can setup a key so nobody would snoop around. Obviously he was explaining WEP keys and we know how secure they are.
So you are saying the piracy going on in India is on much larger, grander scale than it is going on here in USA (music and RIAA come to mind immediately). The problem of piracy in India (and South Asia in general) is not because they are pirates or like to steal someone's hard work (without due reimbursement) but because it costs arm and a leg to pay for using Windows. That is why the free software movement to more likely to catch roots in developing countries than here. Bill Gates ran to India this week, the fourth time this year, just to keep people off open source. They even have stripped down windows available for about $38 dollars in those countries.
The languages reference provided are for westerns to look at it and find out information about the traditional medicines. Indians already know about them. The other reason, I think, the information is in those western languages is that documents in that languages can be used easily to challenge in court if a questionable patent comes up.
The Indians that come to the US are usually the brightest 2% or so from the top colleges in the country.
Not true...they come only because they can and they have a desire. There are other brilliant minds who do not have resources to prepare for US or to afford even the visa fees that US charges but may or may not have a desire. Remember, there are also bright minds (I know them personally) who don't want to come here at all.
Also, for many Indians education is the only way out of their miserable economic conditions, whereas in the US someone can drop out of high school and get a job flipping burgers and maintain a standard of life that is luxurious compared to his Indian counterpart.
For most indians, it is also a way of life. Education is not just seen as a mere tool to land a job to also as a tool for social recognition and personal development. I have known hundreds of families where these ideas are inculcated right from childhood. for indians, education is something that stays with you for life and help you make every decision in life, not just get a job. Look at the President (a research scientist) and Prime Minister (oxford graduate economist)...what can be a better example of advocating education.
Talking about books and piracy...if you know the education system in India, it is one based on free sharing of knowledge. I completed my undergrad engineering under $150. The least expensive course book that I used was sometimes more expensive than my semester tuition but we never shied away from buying them. Piracy is there because do the books are sometimes priced exorbitantly...do you think a 39.99.NET book would go off as hot cake on the market? Not really because it translates to Rs. 1600. People would buy something reasonably priced. Same as people here in US would buy music is reasonably priced rather than downloading it off p2p.
India is poor, dirt poor. Even with the fairly decent number of jobs we've shipped there, it doesn't even begin to make a dent in the poverty level. And of course these jobs aren't available to the greater majority of the population, especially to the Dalit (formerly known as "untouchable") segment. Gates may be a big Kahuna in Africa but he isn't going to make much of a difference to India.
Don't lecture about poverty...we've seen that enough when Katrina struck so please reserve that remark till US cleans up its acts. However, I would say this that people who live in rural areas are not dirt poor...but wealthy enough to make ends meet. I've lived rural life in India so I think I would know difference between dirt-poor and making ends meet. As far as so-called-untouchables are concerned, the government gives that all sort of protection and encouragement (grants, scholarships, reservations) to join the mainstream.
I don't see MS as a big influence on indian IT. There are already users that are using different systems. We have colleges with professors that actively tell you to use other systems than Windows. Infact, the college that I studied my engineering taught C and Fortran on Linux (that was late '98 and early '99).
As far as jobs and growth moving to India, China and other developing countries as a mere natural progression of economies. Remember, the west had a stranglehold on industrialization while rest of the world was under their heels (India was under british rule just 58 years ago). I know there are deficiencies in India that would only be fulfilled with economic growth. Everybody knows that building a nation and economies is a mammoth task and USA (and western world in general) is where it is because it was free for before industrial revolution began.
China, India and many african and under-developed countries would grow tremendously in future...It is only a question of time.
BTW, I am of an indian origin and live in US. I also do think that this whole outsourcing is just a temporary phase (on a human life time scale). It will probably end and we would see endemic growth not dependent upon someone else buying a dell, or calling to check their credit card bill.
Which do you use and why? If you could combine features from all of the IM clients out there, what would they be?
Seems like a question asked after a whole afternoon of pondering with a belly full of lunch. Seriously, if you have 3 IM clients going...I don't know what to tell you but good luck with the job.
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Sorry to point out but it spelled Gandhi. I am an Indian and I am a bit annoyed when his name is misspelled, which it often does on /.
Why do I hear so stereotypical comments on /. everytime there is a news story reported from other parts of the world? If it is a news story from Europe, it is Europe/EU bashing. If the story is from Asia, suddenly people start making supposedly logical arguments about feeding the poor before doing anything else. Same doesn't apply to the stories from here (US) but we still have some of the same problems.
Don't get me wrong, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of feeding the poor. But since we are talking about misplaced priorities, instead of the positive aspect the actual news story, which is more infrastructure, more access to knowledge and information etc, I thought I should remind Katrina, Healthcare, Jobs, Economy, immigration etc to the commenters here.
Feisty Fawn with "Beryl", whoever she is, written by a whole bunch of random geeks.
It is not the exact name. If you want to be so precise, it is called Ubuntu 7.04 (aka Feisty Fawn). That name is just out of convenience so that everytime you refer to ubuntu you don't have to say Ubuntu 7.04...you can just say Feisty. On the project's main page (www.ubuntu.com), I don't see the name Feisty anywhere. BTW, Ubuntu is also supported by a company called Canonical...albeit lesser known of the previous two.
Although I agree in part with you regarding the selective breeding, as you said, the selective breeding took place over centuries and with no adverse effects on the population. Can that be claimed about the GM-corn? Until it can be, I would stick my **regular** corn.
I'm primarily a XFCE, Fluxbox, GNOME (in that order) user but I have KDE installed too. Although I've preferred GNOME over KDE because that's what I started using a first, I've checked out KDE and I would love to configure it my way and check it out for few days. Is there a website or a small how-to on some of the common enhancements. I know I could just click my way through the desktop and figure out on my own but then again, a short how-to would be an added incentive.
India has about 7600 KM (about 4750 Miles) of coastline and yes it does have a Coast Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Coast_Guard) and fifth largest Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Navy)
First of all, you got the wrong conversion rate...check out http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=fire fox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=AYM&q= USD+in+INR&btnG=Search/.
I think you are working out a wrong math. You are comparing salaries from different currencies but instead you should be comparing the commodity prices so you can gauge the buying power.
While, 10,000-15,000 rupees is not an enormous amount, consider the fact that most call center employees are young people fresh out of school and have few liabilities. Almost all students coming out of schools (state run) in India don't have education debt. Compare that to a call center employee here (in U.S) that may have college loan and other debts. Not to mention, call center employees here don't exactly mint money either.
So the point is, you cannot simply convert money from one currency to another (rupees to dollars) and say oh it is way too less.
Yes...a troll found a perfect moment to troll. Any news on India and there is a always a stereotypical response like cheap labour, not-enough-food-to-eat.
BTW, what you call cheap labour (in terms of U.S or any western currency) is a high enough pay for middle-class Indians. With around 30,000 rupees, average Indian family can live a life equivalent to a life of a average US family with income of around 70K. And that estimate is a conservative one...most engineers I know get paid around 25,000-30,000 rupees right out of college these days.
What does, and does not, count as an X? If I just have a small dash, should that count? What if I have a small dash in two boxes, or an X in one box and a dash in another box, or X's in all but one box?
In India, they have small rubber stamps in the voting booth with a specific mark (like an "X"). You need to put that on the ballot paper next to the name of the candidate. This mark is standardized so if you put anything else, the vote is discarded. This, however, created one problem...some voters mark the "X" in between the rows with adjacent candidate names. So the question becomes, who the voter really wanted to vote for?
What I've experienced is that, in that situation, the "X" exactly in middle are discarded. The vote gets registered for the candidate that has majority of "X" impression in the column next to his/her name. The decision is taken by a designated election official. The votes in question are scrutinized by a panel again if the contest is a close one.
Seriously, can we say feature bloat?
Not really...this is an EXTENSION which means it is not built into the firefox code base. You have to put extra effort to actually download and install it. If you download and install then obviously you know what you are doing and the extension is worth something to you. Other could care less and can simply chose to ignore. I don't see how that is a feature bloat.
I'm not joking when I say that running IE under wine is faster and more stable on my machine. FF is leaking memory just sitting there doing nothing -- I can see it happen with top.
I have never used wine and I'll certainly never use IE with Wine under Linux. I'm perfectly fine with Firefox or Epiphany or Mozilla or Konqueror or Opera.
A slight twist to your reply:
If the man at the top and a team of Microsoft's best engineers faced defeat, what chance do ordinary punters have of keeping their Windows PCs virus-free?
That's when ordinary punters turn to Linux, Unix, BSD's, Macs.
One of the failures of the Linux community is recognizing the fact that most users don't want and don't care about such a tool. If you want full Linux-installer-style partition and format control over a Windows install, it's there, and it's not that hard to find.
Quite honestly, they should since they would have to install/reinstall their windows a zillion times in order to cleanse their pc's off viruses/spyware. To get a new computer every time it slows down or dies because of virus/spyware is a terrible waste of money. Giving a decent partitioning tool doesn't hurt most average users since they choose not to see it but at the same time benefits power users who want/care about partitioning...i.e. hard disc partitioning not office partitioning
Exactly right!! I have a dual-boot machine with Windows and Slackware GNU/Linux. I used slackware all the time and have kept windows there just for the heck of it. I use a FAT32 partition on the windows drive (sata) to share my music and movies with Windows. I've been running short on FAT32 disk space so I thought let me reformat my windows disc and recover some space.
I have two more hard discs in my PC (both Linux drives). When I booted with Windows install cd, it took me to the disc formatting section and then kept telling me that there was no **Windows Compatible** partition on two other discs and that I needed to make such a partition on one of those discs so that windows can copy some installation files...bullshit. I had to remove the power cables of my linux drives so that bios will not recognize them. After that, the windows install did not complain it needed a windows compatible partition. I mean this is claimed as one of the most **user-friendly** operating system...user-friendly my ass.
I always wonder how will music industry continue to spend so much moneey suing people for piracy with dwindling sales? How long before they can no longer afford to do that? How about learning something from Microsoft in this field...if you can't beat them, join them.
It is one of the many reasons their cultures are total failures, with recent population growth allowed purely due to technology invented in Europe.
Care of explain how exactly is your culture any better??? I believe you are from US and you have the biggest liar at the topmost position and that too mostly because of family connections. How is that for a reality check?
Shit!!! It doesn't come out...I mean my RSS feed.
I use wifi at home with a Linux/Win dual boot desktop, a Linux server, two laptops (one Linux/Win dual boot, other Windows). I use Linux almost exclusively and only go to windows when security updates are announced or probably weekly for an hour to get all the updates. I do this just to avoid any nasty surprise when I have to run windows someday and am backlogged on patches and updates. I used WEP before and changed my keys every week. Now I used WPA. I don't think most people notice or care about security until they are hit badly. I was recently browsing an electronic retailer's store and I overheard a customer rep explaining advantages of Wifi...how a customer can setup a key so nobody would snoop around. Obviously he was explaining WEP keys and we know how secure they are.
So you are saying the piracy going on in India is on much larger, grander scale than it is going on here in USA (music and RIAA come to mind immediately). The problem of piracy in India (and South Asia in general) is not because they are pirates or like to steal someone's hard work (without due reimbursement) but because it costs arm and a leg to pay for using Windows. That is why the free software movement to more likely to catch roots in developing countries than here. Bill Gates ran to India this week, the fourth time this year, just to keep people off open source. They even have stripped down windows available for about $38 dollars in those countries.
The languages reference provided are for westerns to look at it and find out information about the traditional medicines. Indians already know about them. The other reason, I think, the information is in those western languages is that documents in that languages can be used easily to challenge in court if a questionable patent comes up.
You just posted for the heck of it...didn't you. Such a insensitive comment gets to be modded funny is outrageous.
The Indians that come to the US are usually the brightest 2% or so from the top colleges in the country.
.NET book would go off as hot cake on the market? Not really because it translates to Rs. 1600. People would buy something reasonably priced. Same as people here in US would buy music is reasonably priced rather than downloading it off p2p.
Not true...they come only because they can and they have a desire. There are other brilliant minds who do not have resources to prepare for US or to afford even the visa fees that US charges but may or may not have a desire. Remember, there are also bright minds (I know them personally) who don't want to come here at all.
Also, for many Indians education is the only way out of their miserable economic conditions, whereas in the US someone can drop out of high school and get a job flipping burgers and maintain a standard of life that is luxurious compared to his Indian counterpart.
For most indians, it is also a way of life. Education is not just seen as a mere tool to land a job to also as a tool for social recognition and personal development. I have known hundreds of families where these ideas are inculcated right from childhood. for indians, education is something that stays with you for life and help you make every decision in life, not just get a job. Look at the President (a research scientist) and Prime Minister (oxford graduate economist)...what can be a better example of advocating education.
Talking about books and piracy...if you know the education system in India, it is one based on free sharing of knowledge. I completed my undergrad engineering under $150. The least expensive course book that I used was sometimes more expensive than my semester tuition but we never shied away from buying them. Piracy is there because do the books are sometimes priced exorbitantly...do you think a 39.99
India is poor, dirt poor. Even with the fairly decent number of jobs we've shipped there, it doesn't even begin to make a dent in the poverty level. And of course these jobs aren't available to the greater majority of the population, especially to the Dalit (formerly known as "untouchable") segment. Gates may be a big Kahuna in Africa but he isn't going to make much of a difference to India.
Don't lecture about poverty...we've seen that enough when Katrina struck so please reserve that remark till US cleans up its acts. However, I would say this that people who live in rural areas are not dirt poor...but wealthy enough to make ends meet. I've lived rural life in India so I think I would know difference between dirt-poor and making ends meet. As far as so-called-untouchables are concerned, the government gives that all sort of protection and encouragement (grants, scholarships, reservations) to join the mainstream.
I don't see MS as a big influence on indian IT. There are already users that are using different systems. We have colleges with professors that actively tell you to use other systems than Windows. Infact, the college that I studied my engineering taught C and Fortran on Linux (that was late '98 and early '99).
As far as jobs and growth moving to India, China and other developing countries as a mere natural progression of economies. Remember, the west had a stranglehold on industrialization while rest of the world was under their heels (India was under british rule just 58 years ago). I know there are deficiencies in India that would only be fulfilled with economic growth. Everybody knows that building a nation and economies is a mammoth task and USA (and western world in general) is where it is because it was free for before industrial revolution began.
China, India and many african and under-developed countries would grow tremendously in future...It is only a question of time.
BTW, I am of an indian origin and live in US. I also do think that this whole outsourcing is just a temporary phase (on a human life time scale). It will probably end and we would see endemic growth not dependent upon someone else buying a dell, or calling to check their credit card bill.
It is too much work killing spyware...instead I use another (extremely effective) non-violent method...LINUX.
Which do you use and why? If you could combine features from all of the IM clients out there, what would they be?
Seems like a question asked after a whole afternoon of pondering with a belly full of lunch. Seriously, if you have 3 IM clients going...I don't know what to tell you but good luck with the job.