I was addicted to video games since atari2600. When I find a game I like, I play it for massive hours. I was the first to 1500 wins in Warcraft3. Its just not MMORPGS, its video games in general: They're fun . If you make a game thats fun, MMORPG or otherwise, people will want more from your company, and will buy your next product. The longer you hook a player is directly related to how fun your game is. Seeing how a wide audience is now getting addicted, instead of just a few, people are investigating it. I hope games keep getting more fun... But I fear a possible, impending monoplositic world where you only have a handful of fun games in each genre... But since they're so fun, no one will care there are no other choices. You can only play one video game at a time anyway.
I'm glad to see the system in action. I proposed a similar system for Starcraft called player policing when you can mark people as potential hacker. The problem with the system there is that its hard to tell who's a hacker. But Halo2 system works well because it marks people with abusive names or attitudes.
"The entirety of the bible doesnt talk about Jesus as most of it was written prior to Jesus being born. You've been duped into thinking your reading the "bible" when all you were reading is the new testament which is probably about 10% of the bible."
I've read the whole thing 3 times. The old testament is a huge book of prophesy about Jesus. Many prophesies in it speak of real events AND Jesus at the same time. All the prophesies came out to be true.
"Have you not read the other parts where it happens and is praised? You can just point at the new testament and say this is the sum of the bible cus its not. Take or leave the whole thing don't pick and choose."
Only other stoning I can remember offhand is the stoning of Stephen where he said Jesus is the sum of the faith because he is.
"I would not be surprised about towns folk stoning "sluts" to death in the town square after all isn't that what the bible is all about?"
Obviously you never read the bible. Theres a part in there where Jesus prevented that exact thing from happening.
I'm Christian, and I am a hardcore gamer. I enjoyed GTA1,2,3d and Vice City. But when I stopped to ponder the goal of the game, its to role-play someone evil. Now I know I'm not out actually killing people and doing harm, but in my heart I'm trying to win the game. But when you asssociate with the character thinking he's right, which you always want to do with a hero character in a movie(same holds true for watching horror movies with a main character that kills everyone) or book.
As much as I want to, I didn't play GTA:San Andreas. I simply think its something I don't want to do. Its like rap too, with negative stereotypes toward blacks(demeaning towards women,praise about guns, drugs, excessive use of curse words). I was into rap for a while, thinking its a good way to bring people together... But they people they're brining together...
I'm not suprised at a GTA player killing people. Or a quake person going on columbine. Or a columbine obsessed person killing people at a mall. Nor am I suprised at someone who obsesses over Friday the thirteeth to go out on a rampage either. Some people make horrific icons their heros. Then they want to be like them. So they'll try and come off all dark and evil. But if people just make fun of them, they'll take it one step further and take out the act to show they're really like their hero.
Its all in whats in your heart. People's desires and values are what make us human.
I understand your apprehension about speeding tickets. The sucky idea that follows: Add speed detection on your location. You have instant speeding tickets. Seeing how in love authorities are with the photored light, they'd go nuts over this idea. Seeing how I speed a lot, I wouldn't like it. I don't like speed limits. I know they're in place because idiots would keep pushing the speed barrier to the max, but sane people should be set. I like speeding to get a way from a pack of cars which is more dangerous driving, but cops don't care, they see you're speeding and you get a ticket.
"Probably because the first thing even a room temperature-IQ criminal will do is remove or disable the GPS system."
If that becomes the case then some cars may later come with GPS hooked up in a different manner. Or have 2 GPS hooked up. Its similar to hacking/counter hacking arguments.
When the hacker isn't aware of a counter hack, and police are involved: the hacker always loses.
Put GPS on busses and taxis. Allow cellphone(with GPS) network users to access this information. Plot in a mapping system. Then a user can enter into their PDA/cellphone:"I want to get to 123 someroad.", and it will tell where they have to travel on foot to get to the bus station. Or have it hail a cab for them, so the nearest cab driver that's empty can come to their location.
"That's because animals have evolved to understand 3D space, because that's what we live in. If we could snatch pieces of information out of thin air, silently issue commands to devices across the globe, and such, it wouldn't be advantageous for us to try and visualize a network of computers in a 3D way, because we'd have our own internal representation of it in the form it most easily takes."
Exactly! The computer starts with 3d, but slightly develops to become a greater thinker. It wouldn't have to run a simulation of every cell in your body to know a person is standing in a room. But if it wanted to know what is inside your body, it'd have to go to a deeper level and understand the interactions of cells going on there and the rules that go along with them. And if it'd want to know whats inside a cell, it'd go to a deeper magnification. The ways the AI would think of things wouldn't be restrained to the macro 3d world we percieve with our eyes, but would first be trained with it as children are.
For a computer to imagine a network of computers could easily be the same way you see network neighborhood. It doesn't have to render the whole globe, and all the cables across it.
The coolest part of slashdot is that they log all your comments. The negativity I get is funny because all inventors and developers get it when posing something revolutionary. But I'm fortunate enough that I can point people back and go,"Just look at how most people didn't understand the concept."
"Also, why is a 3D engine required for AI? Wouldn't it be easier to get AI to think about abstract data, without the overhead of a 3D engine and physics simulations?"
People think in 3d, even blind people have spacial recognition.
Remember: See spot, see spot run?
You think about a dog in your head. Maybe its in a yard, or floating in space, but you think about a dog. Maybe you think about a dalmation because its spotty, but not everyone thinks the same dog.
Now imagine you're playing paintball. You see the terrain and imagine where people are, where they may be in the forest, but you're not sure until you see them. Once they disappear, you have a generally knowledge in 3d of where they may be. Also in 3d, you keep track of many of the trees around you and obsticles. If theres a river or a row of jaggers, you know you can't flee in that direction. You know where the enemy forces are, so you're not prone to run blindly at them, less you get shot in the open. People think in 3d, and figure out what might happen next.
Say you're on the road, you know in 3d the car in front of you, and if you're on roads you travelled before, you know the hard turns and stop signs. If you haven't travelled the road before, you need to go slower because unexpected terrain may get you. If you don't put a situation into 3d physics, its difficult to think about.
You can do relations like,"I like to eat steak", and the AI will remember your preference and it has nothing to do with 3d. And then later you can go,"I want something to eat." The computer would go and imagine the actions needed to eat(in a 3d model), and realize you need food as a component. Then it would search down foods you like and see steak.
You don't think you need 3d when you talk about basic stuff, but if you remember to when you were a kid and just learning basic problem solving, you'd remember you'd even use objects to count.
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A 3d real physics world is a core component of true artificial intelligence. Why haven't we seen artificial intelligence even though people have been researching it for 40+ years? Because you need a 3d world with true physics. This is something we're just finally seeing in games, and not executed perfectly with electromagnetism and other forces incorporated yet. We're in the infacy of true computing. Once someone makes a natural language input to interface with a 3d world: ie"Show me a forest with one tree that has red leaves." then the computer can 'understand' what a human is talking about. You could then ask it questions about the scene it's thinking about, or ask it to complete a task given certain rules: ie "You are 1' wide, make a path to the flag through a bunch of blocks scattered in the level I just created." up to the medium,"Go buy my groceries and then mow the lawn.", finally to the advanced,"Find a cure for some disease."
Now given Havok probably won't be used for true AI, another physics engine will probably do that, it is nice to see some baby steps being made in the realm. Imagine if you went back 200 years, and tried to explain a Ferrari to someone. Not only are the parts not there to make it, but the road isn't there either. You'd have to explain how cow paths would eventually evolve to be highways.
Taxes are a lame reason to institute a technology, maybe its the only way a policy maker thinks though.
Me:"Hello, police, my car was stolen. Its a red Eclipse, 2001, my name is CrazyJim."
Police:"Ok, I entered you into the database, and I now have a trace on your car, its headed down I70 at 75mph. Heh, lucky you're not in it, I could have issued you a ticket just now. Anyway we'll have your car back to you by supper."
Maybe society is just retarded, but having stolen cars be a thing of the past would rock. Up until the thieves learn GPS bypass. At that time, you can play hide the GPS, and do multi-GPS. Not many thieves would be advanced enough to go very far though.
If everyone gets banned off ebay within an hour of their MMORPG item listing, but one seller mysteriously has 10 pages of gold selling on every sever, what do you think is the case. Especially considering the amount of gold being sold would be impossible to obtain without the main company creating it. Also consider this seller is selling this same style for two different MMORPGS(DAOC/AO).
My only guess is that some MMORPGS give selling rights and items to select individuals for a deal. I've done the math, the market this guy had was $100,000 a month, so it wasn't so trivial a company would ignore it.
So don't be suprised if these sellers are actually 'financed' in virtual goods by the MMORPG companies themselves. The key is that they don't want the public to find out or it could negatively impact the MMORPG's image.
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I was addicted to video games since atari2600. When I find a game I like, I play it for massive hours. I was the first to 1500 wins in Warcraft3. Its just not MMORPGS, its video games in general: They're fun . If you make a game thats fun, MMORPG or otherwise, people will want more from your company, and will buy your next product. The longer you hook a player is directly related to how fun your game is. Seeing how a wide audience is now getting addicted, instead of just a few, people are investigating it. I hope games keep getting more fun... But I fear a possible, impending monoplositic world where you only have a handful of fun games in each genre... But since they're so fun, no one will care there are no other choices. You can only play one video game at a time anyway.
The last wireless joysticks I used were for Atari2600, and it sucked down 9volts. I completely forgot we're in the age of rechargable cellphones.
I'm glad to see the system in action. I proposed a similar system for Starcraft called player policing when you can mark people as potential hacker. The problem with the system there is that its hard to tell who's a hacker. But Halo2 system works well because it marks people with abusive names or attitudes.
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"The entirety of the bible doesnt talk about Jesus as most of it was written prior to Jesus being born. You've been duped into thinking your reading the "bible" when all you were reading is the new testament which is probably about 10% of the bible."
I've read the whole thing 3 times. The old testament is a huge book of prophesy about Jesus. Many prophesies in it speak of real events AND Jesus at the same time. All the prophesies came out to be true.
+5 Insightful
"Have you not read the other parts where it happens and is praised? You can just point at the new testament and say this is the sum of the bible cus its not. Take or leave the whole thing don't pick and choose."
Only other stoning I can remember offhand is the stoning of Stephen where he said Jesus is the sum of the faith because he is.
"I would not be surprised about towns folk stoning "sluts" to death in the town square after all isn't that what the bible is all about?" Obviously you never read the bible. Theres a part in there where Jesus prevented that exact thing from happening.
I'm Christian, and I am a hardcore gamer. I enjoyed GTA1,2,3d and Vice City. But when I stopped to ponder the goal of the game, its to role-play someone evil. Now I know I'm not out actually killing people and doing harm, but in my heart I'm trying to win the game. But when you asssociate with the character thinking he's right, which you always want to do with a hero character in a movie(same holds true for watching horror movies with a main character that kills everyone) or book.
As much as I want to, I didn't play GTA:San Andreas. I simply think its something I don't want to do. Its like rap too, with negative stereotypes toward blacks(demeaning towards women,praise about guns, drugs, excessive use of curse words). I was into rap for a while, thinking its a good way to bring people together... But they people they're brining together...
I'm not suprised at a GTA player killing people. Or a quake person going on columbine. Or a columbine obsessed person killing people at a mall. Nor am I suprised at someone who obsesses over Friday the thirteeth to go out on a rampage either. Some people make horrific icons their heros. Then they want to be like them. So they'll try and come off all dark and evil. But if people just make fun of them, they'll take it one step further and take out the act to show they're really like their hero.
Its all in whats in your heart. People's desires and values are what make us human.
Ask the seller for his account. Delete the characters, change the Credit card number, and you're set.
I understand your apprehension about speeding tickets. The sucky idea that follows: Add speed detection on your location. You have instant speeding tickets. Seeing how in love authorities are with the photored light, they'd go nuts over this idea. Seeing how I speed a lot, I wouldn't like it. I don't like speed limits. I know they're in place because idiots would keep pushing the speed barrier to the max, but sane people should be set. I like speeding to get a way from a pack of cars which is more dangerous driving, but cops don't care, they see you're speeding and you get a ticket.
"Probably because the first thing even a room temperature-IQ criminal will do is remove or disable the GPS system." If that becomes the case then some cars may later come with GPS hooked up in a different manner. Or have 2 GPS hooked up. Its similar to hacking/counter hacking arguments.
When the hacker isn't aware of a counter hack, and police are involved: the hacker always loses.
Put GPS on busses and taxis. Allow cellphone(with GPS) network users to access this information. Plot in a mapping system. Then a user can enter into their PDA/cellphone:"I want to get to 123 someroad.", and it will tell where they have to travel on foot to get to the bus station. Or have it hail a cab for them, so the nearest cab driver that's empty can come to their location.
Why don't they make GPS manditory for all cars, incorporate it with the police, and then police can do a search for your car if its stolen?
Maybe for as advanced in programming and art they are, they have no decent game designer?
Reminds me a lot of Hollywood, awesome special effects and big name actors, but not a whole lot of storyline.
"That's because animals have evolved to understand 3D space, because that's what we live in. If we could snatch pieces of information out of thin air, silently issue commands to devices across the globe, and such, it wouldn't be advantageous for us to try and visualize a network of computers in a 3D way, because we'd have our own internal representation of it in the form it most easily takes." Exactly! The computer starts with 3d, but slightly develops to become a greater thinker. It wouldn't have to run a simulation of every cell in your body to know a person is standing in a room. But if it wanted to know what is inside your body, it'd have to go to a deeper level and understand the interactions of cells going on there and the rules that go along with them. And if it'd want to know whats inside a cell, it'd go to a deeper magnification. The ways the AI would think of things wouldn't be restrained to the macro 3d world we percieve with our eyes, but would first be trained with it as children are.
For a computer to imagine a network of computers could easily be the same way you see network neighborhood. It doesn't have to render the whole globe, and all the cables across it.
+5 ahead of your time.
The coolest part of slashdot is that they log all your comments. The negativity I get is funny because all inventors and developers get it when posing something revolutionary. But I'm fortunate enough that I can point people back and go,"Just look at how most people didn't understand the concept."
Anyway I'm writing a scientific paper for: An ai conferance
Its amazing that theres an AI conferance in a city only 45 min away from where I live!
"Also, why is a 3D engine required for AI? Wouldn't it be easier to get AI to think about abstract data, without the overhead of a 3D engine and physics simulations?" People think in 3d, even blind people have spacial recognition.
Remember: See spot, see spot run?
You think about a dog in your head. Maybe its in a yard, or floating in space, but you think about a dog. Maybe you think about a dalmation because its spotty, but not everyone thinks the same dog.
Now imagine you're playing paintball. You see the terrain and imagine where people are, where they may be in the forest, but you're not sure until you see them. Once they disappear, you have a generally knowledge in 3d of where they may be. Also in 3d, you keep track of many of the trees around you and obsticles. If theres a river or a row of jaggers, you know you can't flee in that direction. You know where the enemy forces are, so you're not prone to run blindly at them, less you get shot in the open. People think in 3d, and figure out what might happen next.
Say you're on the road, you know in 3d the car in front of you, and if you're on roads you travelled before, you know the hard turns and stop signs. If you haven't travelled the road before, you need to go slower because unexpected terrain may get you. If you don't put a situation into 3d physics, its difficult to think about.
You can do relations like,"I like to eat steak", and the AI will remember your preference and it has nothing to do with 3d. And then later you can go,"I want something to eat." The computer would go and imagine the actions needed to eat(in a 3d model), and realize you need food as a component. Then it would search down foods you like and see steak.
You don't think you need 3d when you talk about basic stuff, but if you remember to when you were a kid and just learning basic problem solving, you'd remember you'd even use objects to count.
A 3d real physics world is a core component of true artificial intelligence. Why haven't we seen artificial intelligence even though people have been researching it for 40+ years? Because you need a 3d world with true physics. This is something we're just finally seeing in games, and not executed perfectly with electromagnetism and other forces incorporated yet. We're in the infacy of true computing. Once someone makes a natural language input to interface with a 3d world: ie"Show me a forest with one tree that has red leaves." then the computer can 'understand' what a human is talking about. You could then ask it questions about the scene it's thinking about, or ask it to complete a task given certain rules: ie "You are 1' wide, make a path to the flag through a bunch of blocks scattered in the level I just created." up to the medium,"Go buy my groceries and then mow the lawn.", finally to the advanced,"Find a cure for some disease."
Now given Havok probably won't be used for true AI, another physics engine will probably do that, it is nice to see some baby steps being made in the realm. Imagine if you went back 200 years, and tried to explain a Ferrari to someone. Not only are the parts not there to make it, but the road isn't there either. You'd have to explain how cow paths would eventually evolve to be highways.
Taxes are a lame reason to institute a technology, maybe its the only way a policy maker thinks though.
Me:"Hello, police, my car was stolen. Its a red Eclipse, 2001, my name is CrazyJim."
Police:"Ok, I entered you into the database, and I now have a trace on your car, its headed down I70 at 75mph. Heh, lucky you're not in it, I could have issued you a ticket just now. Anyway we'll have your car back to you by supper."
Maybe society is just retarded, but having stolen cars be a thing of the past would rock. Up until the thieves learn GPS bypass. At that time, you can play hide the GPS, and do multi-GPS. Not many thieves would be advanced enough to go very far though.
I'm in the audience, but I agree it should have been in games. I think people get crazy when it comes to "Making money on video games"
If everyone gets banned off ebay within an hour of their MMORPG item listing, but one seller mysteriously has 10 pages of gold selling on every sever, what do you think is the case. Especially considering the amount of gold being sold would be impossible to obtain without the main company creating it. Also consider this seller is selling this same style for two different MMORPGS(DAOC/AO).
My only guess is that some MMORPGS give selling rights and items to select individuals for a deal. I've done the math, the market this guy had was $100,000 a month, so it wasn't so trivial a company would ignore it.
So don't be suprised if these sellers are actually 'financed' in virtual goods by the MMORPG companies themselves. The key is that they don't want the public to find out or it could negatively impact the MMORPG's image.
They talk with publishers.
Because publishers give them items, they don't find them in the game.
Of course you wouldn't like Mythic or Funcom if you knew 100% they gave items out to subcontractors who sell on ebay.
Duh. I wonder what other companies do this.
I just bought an Xbox last week because of Halo2. If you don't make good games for your console, people won't buy it.
Can I use a handheld to drive my car?