Which kind of implies that the other(s) must be retarded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H SPECIAL to have spent the time and effort to get on the ballot at all. Though... it would not appear that being retarded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H SPECIAL is an obvious disqualifier for the position.
Things are progressing very quickly... there a whole page of Android info on the wiki already. I was being a little optimistic in my initial posting, but for once I seem to be right.
As other people have pointed out, the Freerunner is not a mainstream device and will not be for quite some time, in fact the current revision of the hardware has a number of acknowledged bugs that cannot be worked around in software. The software is hardly beta quality, more like alpha.
My own feelings vary from awe to frustration. We're talking about a handheld device with GSM nad GPS and bluetooth radios that is an order of magnitude more powerful than the first machines I ran linux on. (My first linux machine was a 386dx 33Mhz with 16Mb RAM and 100MB HD and a plain old VGA card, the Freerunner has a 400Mhz ARM4, 128Mb RAM and 256 Mb of flash storage on the motherboard and a microSD slot and a 600x800 touch screen.)
But I have used mine as a daily phone for almost four months with about 90% reliability, which for a alpha/beta product is not so bad really.
In short a cool and geeky device that needs serious TLC and probably presents more potential than actual. What it really needs is more people with the time and skills to improve every aspect of the hardware and software.
We need to port this thing to all kinds of devices
An open source platform for mobile phones isn't any good at all if there isn't a open hardware platform to run it on.
I seem to recall some chatter on the OpenMokoCommunitymailing lists. They'd love to have already ported Android to their open hardware but there was no ARM4 binaries available to play with. I'm sure that with this source release I'll be able to boot Android on my Freerunner sometime this year.
So true, half of my family look at me as if I'm odd for NOT spending 5 years building my house myself. But they're the same people who give me a hard time for doing anything "out of the ordinary" with computers. Just goes to show that normal is a function of your frame of reference.
Blame HP, not microsoft. The driver for my all in one Brother laser installed perfectly in Vista x64. If it's possible for one company to do it correctly and make it easy for the user then it's possible for any company to do it. It sounds like HP dropped the ball. What is your logic for blaming it on Vista?
Sounds like all the problems are very hardware dependant. I purchased a new computer because my gaming machine would not run COD4 well and the resulting Vista machine not only out-performs everthing I've had before it also supported my HP printer out of the box. I actually set aside a day to move my printer and scanner over from their previous host and deal with all the driver issues, instead I found myself finished in hardly more time than it took to rearrange the cabling.
NB I'm no microsoft fan... I spend 80% of my professional time writing Java with Eclipse, about 10% of it on Linux. I am a huge proponent of and occasional contributor to FOSS. My linux experience goes back 14 years at least... if I poke around I can probably find the 0.9 floppy disk somewhere. My phone runs linux! AND I AM VERY VERY VERY SATISFIED WITH MY VISTA GAMING MACHINE
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That certainly explains why when I'm killing rats and spiders they keep dropping gold and broadswords.
The rats with broadswords I can live with, it's the wolves with chain mail items and all those boars without livers that really puzzles me.
Like creationists saying "God did it" is simpler than evolutionary theory and therefore right by occam's razor. I think he would die if he were alive and heard that.
From what I've read he'd be more likely to take the scientists down the pub for a round and have a good laugh.
You make very valid points and I agree with many of them. However, my point here is that there are two theories, one new, one less new, that IMHO make too many assumptions. The simpler solution is that we really don't understand the problem yet and that there is a more elegant solution waiting to be found. This is the unstated third choice. I should have made that more clear... I'm blaming the cold medication.
Is this a proper application of Occam's Razor? I'm really not sure I'd care. I'm not sure that even Occam would care...
You say you'll apply Occam's razor, but then appear to reject both possibilities. I wasn't aware that Occam's razor said you could throw out any theories that sound a little too convenient.
"the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible"
I'll apply Occam's Razor and ask which is more likely.
Are we in an unusual zone so we get unusual results?
Is there some unknown and mysterious matter that screws up our results?
Quite frankly I find both solutions rather silly, they sound a little too much like deus ex machina to me. I suspect the truth is still out there and when we understand it will change our view of the universe. It's happened before, it will happen again.
Also, the Obsessive-Compulsive Party. But frankly they aren't going very far what with their platform of opening every door three times before going though and not shaking hands with anyone or kissing any babies.
And the Procrastinators who have just delayed the 1967 convention for the 41st time.
I run into canadian border patrol that tell me i have to go back because I don't have any previous employment as a manager.
Well now we know you're lying; Canada has no border patrols. And no, the beavers and moose do not count. **sotto voce** Shh... don't let them know we have real beer and better health care or they'll all want some.
I wish Google or someone would come out with a phone which is based on a completely open OS like Linux and where people can write their own programs and so on for it.
Right now the whole thing is pretty rough and ready, kind of reminds me of Linux 0.9 back when you had to download a whole load of floppy images... But there's something horribly geeky and thrilling about ssh'ing into your own phone.
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Can I suggest a little sarcasm? I hear it's all the rage.
We're not that deep in the hole, our money is worth more than yours again.
You know you're in trouble when you have to use the Canadian dollar as a comparison to make you look good.
... and only 2 of them actually have a chance.
Which kind of implies that the other(s) must be retarded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H SPECIAL to have spent the time and effort to get on the ballot at all. Though... it would not appear that being retarded^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H SPECIAL is an obvious disqualifier for the position.
Things are progressing very quickly... there a whole page of Android info on the wiki already. I was being a little optimistic in my initial posting, but for once I seem to be right.
As other people have pointed out, the Freerunner is not a mainstream device and will not be for quite some time, in fact the current revision of the hardware has a number of acknowledged bugs that cannot be worked around in software. The software is hardly beta quality, more like alpha.
My own feelings vary from awe to frustration. We're talking about a handheld device with GSM nad GPS and bluetooth radios that is an order of magnitude more powerful than the first machines I ran linux on. (My first linux machine was a 386dx 33Mhz with 16Mb RAM and 100MB HD and a plain old VGA card, the Freerunner has a 400Mhz ARM4, 128Mb RAM and 256 Mb of flash storage on the motherboard and a microSD slot and a 600x800 touch screen.)
But I have used mine as a daily phone for almost four months with about 90% reliability, which for a alpha/beta product is not so bad really.
In short a cool and geeky device that needs serious TLC and probably presents more potential than actual. What it really needs is more people with the time and skills to improve every aspect of the hardware and software.
And FYI, the Android porting discussion has begun.
We need to port this thing to all kinds of devices
An open source platform for mobile phones isn't any good at all if there isn't a open hardware platform to run it on.
I seem to recall some chatter on the OpenMoko Community mailing lists. They'd love to have already ported Android to their open hardware but there was no ARM4 binaries available to play with. I'm sure that with this source release I'll be able to boot Android on my Freerunner sometime this year.
... kept busy making corn circles to lure Japanese tourists or those from insubordinate colonies to the fields of Devon!
Heaven knows there's bugger-all else worth seeing in Devon.
Church of England?
CAKE OR DEATH!
No, but my house and car came pre-assembled.
So true, half of my family look at me as if I'm odd for NOT spending 5 years building my house myself. But they're the same people who give me a hard time for doing anything "out of the ordinary" with computers. Just goes to show that normal is a function of your frame of reference.
We just cover it up a bit better.
Better than who exactly? Stalin?
I wish I had a cluebat right now.
See that contrail waaaaaay up there at the edge of the atmosphere? That's the whole point flying right over your head...
I for one welcome our new, cluebat-toting gamer overlords.
I'm a linux fanboi at heart, but I'd rather give up my PS3 than my windows game box.
If you're satisfied with Vista on a new machine, it's because you haven't tried running XP on the same machine.
The point is, I DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE IT JUST WORKS
Blame HP, not microsoft. The driver for my all in one Brother laser installed perfectly in Vista x64. If it's possible for one company to do it correctly and make it easy for the user then it's possible for any company to do it. It sounds like HP dropped the ball. What is your logic for blaming it on Vista?
Sounds like all the problems are very hardware dependant. I purchased a new computer because my gaming machine would not run COD4 well and the resulting Vista machine not only out-performs everthing I've had before it also supported my HP printer out of the box. I actually set aside a day to move my printer and scanner over from their previous host and deal with all the driver issues, instead I found myself finished in hardly more time than it took to rearrange the cabling.
NB I'm no microsoft fan... I spend 80% of my professional time writing Java with Eclipse, about 10% of it on Linux. I am a huge proponent of and occasional contributor to FOSS. My linux experience goes back 14 years at least... if I poke around I can probably find the 0.9 floppy disk somewhere. My phone runs linux! AND I AM VERY VERY VERY SATISFIED WITH MY VISTA GAMING MACHINE
That certainly explains why when I'm killing rats and spiders they keep dropping gold and broadswords.
The rats with broadswords I can live with, it's the wolves with chain mail items and all those boars without livers that really puzzles me.
Well if nothing else this somewhat offhand remark had provoked much discussion... Barkeep, a round for my friends.
Like creationists saying "God did it" is simpler than evolutionary theory and therefore right by occam's razor. I think he would die if he were alive and heard that.
From what I've read he'd be more likely to take the scientists down the pub for a round and have a good laugh.
You make very valid points and I agree with many of them. However, my point here is that there are two theories, one new, one less new, that IMHO make too many assumptions. The simpler solution is that we really don't understand the problem yet and that there is a more elegant solution waiting to be found. This is the unstated third choice. I should have made that more clear... I'm blaming the cold medication.
Is this a proper application of Occam's Razor? I'm really not sure I'd care. I'm not sure that even Occam would care...
You say you'll apply Occam's razor, but then appear to reject both possibilities. I wasn't aware that Occam's razor said you could throw out any theories that sound a little too convenient.
"the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible"
I'll apply Occam's Razor and ask which is more likely.
Quite frankly I find both solutions rather silly, they sound a little too much like deus ex machina to me. I suspect the truth is still out there and when we understand it will change our view of the universe. It's happened before, it will happen again.
Also, the Obsessive-Compulsive Party. But frankly they aren't going very far what with their platform of opening every door three times before going though and not shaking hands with anyone or kissing any babies.
And the Procrastinators who have just delayed the 1967 convention for the 41st time.
I run into canadian border patrol that tell me i have to go back because I don't have any previous employment as a manager.
Well now we know you're lying; Canada has no border patrols. And no, the beavers and moose do not count. **sotto voce** Shh... don't let them know we have real beer and better health care or they'll all want some.
*puts on mountie hat and waves to tourists*
I believe they are trying to say that it is a comparison of apples to oranges.
Sounds more like they were saying it is a comparison of apples to Orangutans.
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I wish Google or someone would come out with a phone which is based on a completely open OS like Linux and where people can write their own programs and so on for it.
Someone already did, Openmoko started shipping the Neo FreeRunner back in July. There are already a whole wack of competing distributions for it. The current release produced and supported by Om is 2008.09 (which is bugfix version of 2008.08) the phone stack for this is QTopia
Right now the whole thing is pretty rough and ready, kind of reminds me of Linux 0.9 back when you had to download a whole load of floppy images... But there's something horribly geeky and thrilling about ssh'ing into your own phone.
In Sweden, we would say that they have been shitting in the blue cabinet (skitit i det blå skåpet).
In Quebec we'd say; "De quoi tu parle hostie?"