(There is a sound of weeping) Please, laugh, the piece is satire. Only a few lines later: Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."
Piett's predecessor was Kendal, whom Vader killed by crushing his throat so that he did indeed "fall down on the job"
Not to mention that as a dictator Pinochet wasrelativelybenign.
This is not what I call an amazing visual commentary, unless you're talking about the/. effect...
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You said First off, Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance, not as a serious attempt to enumerate the number of planets with intelegent life, and I have claimed that this isn't the case. Fortunately you have now quoted Drake disagreeing with you on the first point:
You: "Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance..." Drake "The purpose of the equation was to help focus the conference..."
As I've already conceeded, the second point is true because you have misunderstood what the equation calculates. It would be as accurate to say "Drake's equation was meant to X, not as a serious attempt to calculate how much I no longer care to explain this simple simple point to you over and over again".
First part: you can say that he sat down (when deciding upon the necessary coefficients) to "map our ignorance" , but the statement "Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance" is false. The equation really was (is) meant to provide answers.
Second part: the equation is an attempt to find out the number of detectable civilizations in space (I guess you are right that it was not to "enumerate the number of planets with intelligent life", because that isn't what the equation calculates), so I guess I technically agree with the second part of your statement.
The equation, and Frank Drake sitting down and writing it are two different things.
First off, Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance, not as a serious attempt to enumerate the number of planets with intelegent life
"So I sat down and thought, "What do we need to know about to discover life in space?" Then I began listing the relevant points as they occurred to me." - Frank Drake describing how he came up with the Drake equation during the Green Bank conference.
Maybe you don't understand "IME". It stands for In My Experience. My point is that In my experience, that is - by the things that have actually happened to me - woody is more stable than any of the RH distributions I've used. What does my experience count for? Well, you judge - that's why I added "FWIW" - For What It's Worth. Sheesh.
FWIW, my experience has been with workstations, and normally using 3D graphics hardware. YM (on servers) MV. In fact I have a good friend and net admin that uses RH on his servers without problems. So, I'll quit my "FUD" as soon as I get brainwashed. I know what I've experienced, and I don't really give a toss if you believe it or not. I have no problem with other people (like my friend) saying that RH is very stable for them, I'm sure it is. But it wasn't for me, and I won't lie about it just to make bizarre simpletons feel better.
This is not a conservative distribution like Debian,
There are 3 debians, at varying degrees of 'conservativyosity'
Stable: Potato is dead stable and conservative. To put it another way: it's old, and you probably wouldn't want it on your desktop.
Testing: Woody is very stable (IME more stable than RH FWIW), and quite up to date (g++ 3 etc)
Unstable: Not sure of the name because I wouldn't use it. I don't know how stable it is, but I am thinking that it's quite up to date with the latest releases.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make in a rather longwinded mannar, is that debian will be as conservative as you want it to be. There is always a tradeoff between "up to date" and "no nasty surprises" debian is very honest about letting you choose.
Yes you did - about this article here The/. article covered this quote from reuters
"Citing internal Microsoft memos, the nine states also said that in 2000 and 2001 Microsoft pressured Dell Computer Corp. DELL.O into dropping plans to offer the open-source Linux operating system on some machines it sells."
And by the same logic, I guess we will never discover civilisations on other planets (how can we 'discover' it when there are already aliens living there?)
How could Biham and Shamir 'discover' differential cryptoanalis when the NSA already knew about it?
How could my cat 'discover' that the computer was warm when I already knew about it?
How can I discover the joy of using Python when lots of other people already experience it?
Maybe it's time to crack open a dictionary, and 'discover' what 'discover' really means!
If you look at the abstract page, you'll see that it hasn't been updated since 1970. It took 31 years to get it accepted for a conference? Wow, that sure makes me feel better about academia;-)
So to build a filesystem that's 18 million TB big, you'd have to commandeer all hard drive production, worldwide, for about 12 years.
Isn't true: HDD capacity is growing at (at least) ~60% PER YEAR. Even with the conservative figures here (HD size for 2002 given as 36Gb), that means selling average home user drives of 1.5 Tb in 2010 (starting from 60Gb disks in 2002, you come up with 2.5Tb disks in 2010).
The UCB site manages to grasp that in general, the conceptual failure is to imagine that there is some linearity in information growth. There isn't. Chart anything you like in this area and the graph will be a big sqr(x) type of affair with a scary looking rate of growth at the end. Hold on tight! As the UCB site says "shipments of digital magnetic storage are essentially doubling every year"doubling!
Q. What does every extra bit in an address give you? A. Double the address space. Q. How many more bits are there in 64 bit addressing from 32? A. 32 bits Q. Which means...? A. We have 32 years until we're back to where we are today regarding information size vs addressing space.
Oh yeah, 32 years is a real long time. Y2K anyone?
Of course, this fact fails to address your basic premise, which seems to be that assigning unique integer addresses to every byte that a computer can access would be a reasonable thing to do.
I think you misread me. I dont advocate the need to be able to mmap the web; but local devices? Surely. this has been a problem in 32bits for a long time. There's nothing magic about 64bits. It's just bigger. It too will fall.
And your last comment about cache misses! Are you joking? If you need more than 64bits of space it doesn't matter how much better a 64bit address system cache would work because it can't do the job. Even with the "cache misses", a >64bit system is infinitly faster because it will work. If you need the space, you need the space.
The story basically states that the tech companies do NOT want the SSSCA passed. They want to work with Hollywood to find "technically feasible, cost effective solutions" for protecting entertainment delivered in digital form (from the article).
IOW, the lesser of the two evils: still the possibility of all kinds of stupid draconian controls, but at least chosen by the industry, and not legally mandated.
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No need to wait.
There are already applications that could use > 64 bits of address space. Whilst 16 Exobytes might sound like a BIGNUM for RAM, it isn't that much of a bignum for large scale disk arrays.
At the moment there is an addressing disparity between RAM and storage, but there shouldn't be. Ideally you should be able to memory map everything you need, including the entire filesystem. If you have a FS with 64bit addresses to 512bit blocks, or something larger, you might already need bigger address spaces.
Of course 64 bits sounds like more than we'll ever need, but a bit of imagination is all that's needed to see possible uses of >64bit space today. If you can think about needing to do it now, it's fairly space to say that it will be done in the future.
Modulo one fact: maybe we wont have >64bit addressing. Maybe we'll have XX qubit addressing instead;-)
Yes, for only $9.99 a month on www.segway-drool-pr0n.com
Or maybe that was Michaels attempt to drive the price down so he can buy one of them. I dont really see being covered in other peoples drool when you trundle down the road much of a selling point. You can still get that with a C5 though:-)
The train company in Sweden has one of these systems. It's always amusing listening to my other half battle with it when she wants to buy a ticket:
OtherHalf (in very clear voice): Stockholm
Computer : click, click,... Kiruna!
OtherHalf : Stockholm!
Computer : click, click,... Moscow!
OtherHalf : Stockholm!
Computer : click, click,... Alpha Centauri!
etc...
To be fair, it does eventually work, it just takes a while. It probably also takes less total time than the alternative (short conversation with a human, but a long wait to get to talk to them).
The best thing about them was a recent radio program. They had done some reseach to find out what words sound (to the system) like destinations. During the show they'd phone SJ up and say things like "I want to go to FsckingBastardVille", to which the computer would reply "Northern or central Stockholm?" and other such amusements.
On a gallery overlooking the feeding pit ^H^H^H^H^H experiment lab...
TechA: "Aren't there meant to be 15 predators down there? I can only see 14"
TechB counts...
TechB: "Yeah, shit!", produces mobile, "I'll give Sharkey a ring..."
TechB, looking at mobile: "Batterys are dead. That's funny, I only charged them this morning..."
Insert dramatic exchange of glances and pause, followed by
AAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Chomp! Chomp!
TechA in feeble voice "Agh! Number fifteen really is a bagbiter TechB: It's, erm, sucking away my power dude!
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(There is a sound of weeping)
Please, laugh, the piece is satire. Only a few lines later:
Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."
Piett's predecessor was Kendal, whom Vader killed by crushing his throat so that he did indeed "fall down on the job"
Not to mention that as a dictator Pinochet was relatively benign.
This is not what I call an amazing visual commentary, unless you're talking about the /. effect...
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Is this is story or a new advert style?
Mike
how can you go wrong with a monkey? ;-9
Ask Michael Jackson
Jeebuz.
You said First off, Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance, not as a serious attempt to enumerate the number of planets with intelegent life, and I have claimed that this isn't the case. Fortunately you have now quoted Drake disagreeing with you on the first point:
You: "Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance..."
Drake "The purpose of the equation was to help focus the conference..."
As I've already conceeded, the second point is true because you have misunderstood what the equation calculates. It would be as accurate to say "Drake's equation was meant to X, not as a serious attempt to calculate how much I no longer care to explain this simple simple point to you over and over again".
First part: you can say that he sat down (when deciding upon the necessary coefficients) to "map our ignorance" , but the statement "Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance" is false. The equation really was (is) meant to provide answers.
Second part: the equation is an attempt to find out the number of detectable civilizations in space (I guess you are right that it was not to "enumerate the number of planets with intelligent life", because that isn't what the equation calculates), so I guess I technically agree with the second part of your statement.
The equation, and Frank Drake sitting down and writing it are two different things.
HTH
This is tripe
First off, Drake's equation was meant to map our ignorance, not as a serious attempt to enumerate the number of planets with intelegent life
"So I sat down and thought, "What do we need to know about to discover life in space?" Then I began listing the relevant points as they occurred to me." - Frank Drake describing how he came up with the Drake equation during the Green Bank conference.
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Maybe you don't understand "IME". It stands for In My Experience. My point is that In my experience, that is - by the things that have actually happened to me - woody is more stable than any of the RH distributions I've used. What does my experience count for? Well, you judge - that's why I added "FWIW" - For What It's Worth. Sheesh.
FWIW, my experience has been with workstations, and normally using 3D graphics hardware. YM (on servers) MV. In fact I have a good friend and net admin that uses RH on his servers without problems. So, I'll quit my "FUD" as soon as I get brainwashed. I know what I've experienced, and I don't really give a toss if you believe it or not. I have no problem with other people (like my friend) saying that RH is very stable for them, I'm sure it is. But it wasn't for me, and I won't lie about it just to make bizarre simpletons feel better.
This is not a conservative distribution like Debian,
There are 3 debians, at varying degrees of 'conservativyosity'
Stable: Potato is dead stable and conservative. To put it another way: it's old, and you probably wouldn't want it on your desktop.
Testing: Woody is very stable (IME more stable than RH FWIW), and quite up to date (g++ 3 etc)
Unstable: Not sure of the name because I wouldn't use it. I don't know how stable it is, but I am thinking that it's quite up to date with the latest releases.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make in a rather longwinded mannar, is that debian will be as conservative as you want it to be. There is always a tradeoff between "up to date" and "no nasty surprises" debian is very honest about letting you choose.
Star Ship Troopers was a decent book, but the movie just skipped all that "stuff" that didn't make a flashy movie.
As was said at the time: "Starship troopers: Based on the back of a book by Robert A Heinlein"
Yes you did - about this article here /. article covered this quote from reuters
The
"Citing internal Microsoft memos, the nine states also said that in 2000 and 2001 Microsoft pressured Dell Computer Corp. DELL.O into dropping plans to offer the open-source Linux operating system on some machines it sells."
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Besides, with VNC can you play a CD on the remote computer and listen to it at your local machine?
;-)
Yes, but you have to turn the volume way up
What? You don't think fruit is dangerous? ;-)
And by the same logic, I guess we will never discover civilisations on other planets (how can we 'discover' it when there are already aliens living there?)
How could Biham and Shamir 'discover' differential cryptoanalis when the NSA already knew about it?
How could my cat 'discover' that the computer was warm when I already knew about it?
How can I discover the joy of using Python when lots of other people already experience it?
Maybe it's time to crack open a dictionary, and 'discover' what 'discover' really means!
And they'll call him an American Indian (or native american or whatever the PC expression is), and destory the remains, as per Kennewick Man
If you look at the abstract page, you'll see that it hasn't been updated since 1970. It took 31 years to get it accepted for a conference? Wow, that sure makes me feel better about academia ;-)
A few corrections...
So to build a filesystem that's 18 million TB big, you'd have to commandeer all hard drive production, worldwide, for about 12 years.
Isn't true: HDD capacity is growing at (at least) ~60% PER YEAR. Even with the conservative figures here (HD size for 2002 given as 36Gb), that means selling average home user drives of 1.5 Tb in 2010 (starting from 60Gb disks in 2002, you come up with 2.5Tb disks in 2010).
The UCB site manages to grasp that in general, the conceptual failure is to imagine that there is some linearity in information growth. There isn't. Chart anything you like in this area and the graph will be a big sqr(x) type of affair with a scary looking rate of growth at the end. Hold on tight! As the UCB site says "shipments of digital magnetic storage are essentially doubling every year" doubling!
Q. What does every extra bit in an address give you?
A. Double the address space.
Q. How many more bits are there in 64 bit addressing from 32?
A. 32 bits
Q. Which means...?
A. We have 32 years until we're back to where we are today regarding information size vs addressing space.
Oh yeah, 32 years is a real long time. Y2K anyone?
Of course, this fact fails to address your basic premise, which seems to be that assigning unique integer addresses to every byte that a computer can access would be a reasonable thing to do.
I think you misread me. I dont advocate the need to be able to mmap the web; but local devices? Surely. this has been a problem in 32bits for a long time. There's nothing magic about 64bits. It's just bigger. It too will fall.
And your last comment about cache misses! Are you joking? If you need more than 64bits of space it doesn't matter how much better a 64bit address system cache would work because it can't do the job. Even with the "cache misses", a >64bit system is infinitly faster because it will work. If you need the space, you need the space.
0.02
The story basically states that the tech companies do NOT want the SSSCA passed. They want to work with Hollywood to find "technically feasible, cost effective solutions" for protecting entertainment delivered in digital form (from the article).
IOW, the lesser of the two evils: still the possibility of all kinds of stupid draconian controls, but at least chosen by the industry, and not legally mandated.
No need to wait.
;-)
There are already applications that could use > 64 bits of address space. Whilst 16 Exobytes might sound like a BIGNUM for RAM, it isn't that much of a bignum for large scale disk arrays.
At the moment there is an addressing disparity between RAM and storage, but there shouldn't be. Ideally you should be able to memory map everything you need, including the entire filesystem. If you have a FS with 64bit addresses to 512bit blocks, or something larger, you might already need bigger address spaces.
Of course 64 bits sounds like more than we'll ever need, but a bit of imagination is all that's needed to see possible uses of >64bit space today. If you can think about needing to do it now, it's fairly space to say that it will be done in the future.
Modulo one fact: maybe we wont have >64bit addressing. Maybe we'll have XX qubit addressing instead
0.02, etc.
Women drool over a man on a Segway.
:-)
Yes, for only $9.99 a month on www.segway-drool-pr0n.com
Or maybe that was Michaels attempt to drive the price down so he can buy one of them. I dont really see being covered in other peoples drool when you trundle down the road much of a selling point. You can still get that with a C5 though
Is there nothing you're prepared to spellcheck? ;-)
The train company in Sweden has one of these systems. It's always amusing listening to my other half battle with it when she wants to buy a ticket:
:-)
OtherHalf (in very clear voice): Stockholm
Computer : click, click,... Kiruna!
OtherHalf : Stockholm!
Computer : click, click,... Moscow!
OtherHalf : Stockholm!
Computer : click, click,... Alpha Centauri!
etc...
To be fair, it does eventually work, it just takes a while. It probably also takes less total time than the alternative (short conversation with a human, but a long wait to get to talk to them).
The best thing about them was a recent radio program. They had done some reseach to find out what words sound (to the system) like destinations. During the show they'd phone SJ up and say things like "I want to go to FsckingBastardVille", to which the computer would reply "Northern or central Stockholm?" and other such amusements.
Hours of fun
Don't write software because 'it's cool'. That only leads to burnout. Write it for money.
Sounds ok, but s/cool/fun and I disagree completely.
Don't do anything just because it's "cool". What kind of person does that? Some mindless MTV wannabee?
OTOH, if it's fun, well, why not do it?
Fun doesn't lead to burnout, it leads to well, children. erm, no, that's something else...
On a gallery overlooking the feeding pit ^H^H^H^H^H experiment lab...
TechA: "Aren't there meant to be 15 predators down there? I can only see 14"
TechB counts...
TechB: "Yeah, shit!", produces mobile, "I'll give Sharkey a ring..."
TechB, looking at mobile: "Batterys are dead. That's funny, I only charged them this morning..."
Insert dramatic exchange of glances and pause, followed by
AAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Chomp! Chomp!
TechA in feeble voice "Agh! Number fifteen really is a bagbiter
TechB: It's, erm, sucking away my power dude!
etc etc...