I leave my laptop on the front seat, get out of the car, lock all the doors, and walk away. Some passerby looks in and sees the 'OH, Shiny!' sitting there and then reaches in the open window and takes it. I cry foul!
Where the major difference between the analogy and the network breaching comes into play: Most everyone will agree the theft was wrong, they still consider me an idiot for not rolling up the windows, but the network lack of adequate security seems not to cause that same 'You're an idiot' response. WTF?
More like breaking in (maybe through a weak door),...
The quote contains the root of the problem.
If these compromised networks had adequate security to start with, Gary M. wold not have gotten in.
As long as the mindset of 'convenience/budget overrules security' this stuff will keep happening frequently. There is a good reason banks spend the money to install those expensive, elaborate bank vaults for the money to be kept in. We see that here on/. all the time, and have for years....thousands of comments by IT folks on/. complaining that their pointy haired bosses begrudge the cost of network security, yet that network is so vital to the organization.
I propose that when these security breaches occur, that those responsible for security policy decisions share the guilt with the 'hacker' equally.
I'm more enamored with the imagined scenario when they encounter goatse, inadvertently rickroll themselves, then, stumbling away in terror, falling into the pits of 4chan, crawling out of that, only to fall of the cliff into youtube comments.
Occasionally as a parent I suggest something stupid to my kids when they are in "need" (really a want) something that we simply can't afford. I might make a suggestion like "why don't we sell our house for $20 so we can afford to order pizza tonight?" and I'm met with "Yay, pizza!" Then guess what happens, do you think I actually sell the house? Do you think even if some asshole at the gas station heard me say that and came running with a $20 bill that I'm going to sign over the house! No, I'm going to go back ON MY OWN SUGGESTION because it was not a real suggestion (shouldn't even have been interpreted as a real suggestion by a rational being) and was only said to make a point in the first place!
First: I don't want my government run according to your parenting philosophy. It sounds like a bad parody of a Monty Python skit.
You seem to be saying that the GOP feels that spin, sarcasm, misleading statements, and lack of trust, etc., are the way to govern/run a country?
NO, THANK YOU!
Second: Your parenting style sucks donkey bollocks. Seek therapy/counseling ASAP, for your kid's sake.
...(shouldn't even have been interpreted as a real suggestion by a rational being)...
How do you expect your kids to become 'rational beings' with your example for them to follow.
I feel sorry for your kids, and all that will have to interact with your kids in the future.
Yeah, it overloaded my BS/Spin/Weasel Word detector.
The last time I saw readings this high on the detector, we ended up with the PATRIOT Act, and all of it's goodness.:-(
This is doublespeak propaganda, and I expect we're about to get shafted by this somehow...it seems to work that way when they all agree unanimously like this.
I think what we are pulling out of the ground(ie: Earth's cooled crust) is already out of the 'affects tectonics' range. Now if we decide to somehow extracting it from the molten core, you may have cause to worry.
... it is highly unlikely that it can host even the most basic of life forms..
Maybe that is true, but plenty of time to evolve politicians and lawyers. Give them time though, and they may evolve to basic life forms after a few trillion eons....Nah, who am I kidding.;-)
It would be great to see something like the microfusion cells, or small energy cells from the Fallout games. When I played FO1 and ran across those for the first time, I was intrigued and fascinated.
Yes, it is infinitely safer to store a large quantity of fuel in the basement, near the foundation of the building, so if somebody were to figure out a way to explode that fuel it would...
destroy the foundation of the building
You apparently, don't know a lot about demolitions. Unless you add in a sophisticated (in context of discussion...) apparatus to convert those aforementioned storage tanks into a fuel-air explosive/explosion(F.A.E.), then your fear 'only' results in a wicked fire. Yeah, bad, but not as bad as you paint the picture.
To 'destroy the foundation of the building', you need to target the structural supports with adequate force in the correct direction.
It is much easier to convert rooftop (or similar) fuel-tanks into F.A.E., than it is to take down a building.
P.S. The 'terrorists' get much more bang for the buck with a F.A.E. than taking down a single building....do some research/education/experience....it's fun...Mythbusters style!
Having said all of that, well, I don't like the seemingly lack of balls and backbone recently from USA folk and our society that has led me to expect a 'protect me from x! to change easily, or overnight (that attitude enables this mindset, IMHO), sigh!, I hope for the best.
I guess I'm just more willing to accept a scientific theory than another explanation in this case.:-)
IMHO, you have presented reasoned points, and while I may not fully agree, I respect your viewpoint.
Something all sides of a disagreement seem to often forget in the heat of the argument: the diversity and differing viewpoints of mankind seems to be one of our greater strengths as a species.
but taking that and then saying that from these results we can be sure that a single cell lifeform can evolve into a complex, multi-organ creature is what I call into question. That is what we cannot directly test and observe,...
I've been following this discussion far longer than I had ever intended.
I have been impressed by your rational and reasonable, polite replies. It's a welcome sight for such a hot button issue.:-)
One thing that caught my attention, is the 'That is what we cannot directly test and observe,...' statement.
While you may be partially correct[1], do try to keep in mind that most, if not all, evidence in evolution suggests that the changes you are labeling 'macro evolution' usually take longer than mankind had anything resembling modern science.
[1] It depends on what your parameters are for the definitions of 'directly test and observe' are. We have fossil evidence, backed up by radiological dating, we have observed speciation in the wild....all something to take into account.
If you are talking 'running this in a lab' over the weekend, then no, you will not observe 'macro evolution' happening. Think millennial, epochs, ages, whatever. The experiment required to test 'macro evolution' would need to run thousands of years for any useful amount of data, forget it in your lifetime.
If I have mistaken your POV, I am sorry, and humbly will accept correction. I do not mean to question your faith, only point out that evolution needs to be viewed from a time perspective that makes no real sense to equate to a human life, or even a double handful of current human generations, and that seems to be hard for us to accept. YMMV.....
signed, rts008, on a Public Terminal, and strange keyboard...*sigh*
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This just in: Lazy, incompetent people in all lines of work...
Old news. Dupe. See "The Peter Principle": "employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence."
Now for the obligatory /. car analogy:
I leave my laptop on the front seat, get out of the car, lock all the doors, and walk away. Some passerby looks in and sees the 'OH, Shiny!' sitting there and then reaches in the open window and takes it.
I cry foul!
Where the major difference between the analogy and the network breaching comes into play:
Most everyone will agree the theft was wrong, they still consider me an idiot for not rolling up the windows, but the network lack of adequate security seems not to cause that same 'You're an idiot' response. WTF?
More like breaking in (maybe through a weak door),...
The quote contains the root of the problem.
If these compromised networks had adequate security to start with, Gary M. wold not have gotten in.
As long as the mindset of 'convenience/budget overrules security' this stuff will keep happening frequently. /. all the time, and have for years....thousands of comments by IT folks on /. complaining that their pointy haired bosses begrudge the cost of network security, yet that network is so vital to the organization.
There is a good reason banks spend the money to install those expensive, elaborate bank vaults for the money to be kept in.
We see that here on
I propose that when these security breaches occur, that those responsible for security policy decisions share the guilt with the 'hacker' equally.
Only then will this issue be improved.
Duh!
Just turn it the other way, and won't be backwards!
I'm more enamored with the imagined scenario when they encounter goatse, inadvertently rickroll themselves, then, stumbling away in terror, falling into the pits of 4chan, crawling out of that, only to fall of the cliff into youtube comments.
Thanks for that comment, a fine example of why I keep coming back to /. . :-)
I giggled, and no, I have no mod points at this time.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
So you are Canadian?
Anti-Canadian Canadian?
Eh? *sarcasm
Lighten up, dude.
It was an appropriately On-topic comment in reply to the shuttle being armed.
It was humour, really.
First:
I don't want my government run according to your parenting philosophy.
It sounds like a bad parody of a Monty Python skit.
You seem to be saying that the GOP feels that spin, sarcasm, misleading statements, and lack of trust, etc., are the way to govern/run a country?
NO, THANK YOU!
Second:
Your parenting style sucks donkey bollocks.
Seek therapy/counseling ASAP, for your kid's sake.
How do you expect your kids to become 'rational beings' with your example for them to follow.
I feel sorry for your kids, and all that will have to interact with your kids in the future.
Yeah, it overloaded my BS/Spin/Weasel Word detector.
The last time I saw readings this high on the detector, we ended up with the PATRIOT Act, and all of it's goodness. :-(
This is doublespeak propaganda, and I expect we're about to get shafted by this somehow...it seems to work that way when they all agree unanimously like this.
I think what we are pulling out of the ground(ie: Earth's cooled crust) is already out of the 'affects tectonics' range.
Now if we decide to somehow extracting it from the molten core, you may have cause to worry.
Here ya go!
Harry Lillis "Bing" Crosby (May 3, 1903 â" October 14, 1977)[3] was an American singer and actor.
I have not, and never will use Bing, as I don't want involved with contacting or using the dead.
Shame on Microsoft for not letting the dead rest in peace!
Maybe that is true, but plenty of time to evolve politicians and lawyers. ;-)
Give them time though, and they may evolve to basic life forms after a few trillion eons....Nah, who am I kidding.
I hate power cords with a passion!
It would be great to see something like the microfusion cells, or small energy cells from the Fallout games. When I played FO1 and ran across those for the first time, I was intrigued and fascinated.
I am not stressed out at all by Facebook. In fact, I have never even seen a Facebook web page in my whole life.
The only reason I am aware of the existence of Fb is all the talk on /. about it.
As an anti-social, outspoken oldster, I have absolutely on interest in that level of being social.../. is about where my threshold is.
Yes, it is infinitely safer to store a large quantity of fuel in the basement, near the foundation of the building, so if somebody were to figure out a way to explode that fuel it would...
destroy the foundation of the building
You apparently, don't know a lot about demolitions.
Unless you add in a sophisticated (in context of discussion...) apparatus to convert those aforementioned storage tanks into a fuel-air explosive/explosion(F.A.E.), then your fear 'only' results in a wicked fire. Yeah, bad, but not as bad as you paint the picture.
To 'destroy the foundation of the building', you need to target the structural supports with adequate force in the correct direction.
It is much easier to convert rooftop (or similar) fuel-tanks into F.A.E., than it is to take down a building.
P.S. The 'terrorists' get much more bang for the buck with a F.A.E. than taking down a single building....do some research/education/experience....it's fun...Mythbusters style!
Having said all of that, well, I don't like the seemingly lack of balls and backbone recently from USA folk and our society that has led me to expect a 'protect me from x! to change easily, or overnight (that attitude enables this mindset, IMHO), sigh!, I hope for the best.
Please tell me there will be mazes, electric shocks, and cheese involved ! ;-)
The difference is, you get flushed down the drain,instead of just circling the bowl.
But at least with a black hole, you don't have to dodge the floaters, and never need a plunger or plumber! ;-)
Oh, and do sell tickets to the process of canning and bottling them!
Amen!
I figured there was a reason for keeping all those Clydesdales around besides pulling wagons. ;-)
"Ahhh, Budweiser, the beer that has real Horsepower in it!"
I guess I'm just more willing to accept a scientific theory than another explanation in this case. :-)
IMHO, you have presented reasoned points, and while I may not fully agree, I respect your viewpoint.
Something all sides of a disagreement seem to often forget in the heat of the argument: the diversity and differing viewpoints of mankind seems to be one of our greater strengths as a species.
I'd start my research here. :-)
Polish up your BASH-fu, it may come in handy...
Awwww crap I posted.
Ahhh!
Come over to the dark side, my son. post as AC from now on.
Oh crap!
*note to self: click on 'post anomalously' check-box, THEN post.*
but taking that and then saying that from these results we can be sure that a single cell lifeform can evolve into a complex, multi-organ creature is what I call into question. That is what we cannot directly test and observe,...
I've been following this discussion far longer than I had ever intended.
I have been impressed by your rational and reasonable, polite replies. It's a welcome sight for such a hot button issue. :-)
One thing that caught my attention, is the 'That is what we cannot directly test and observe,...' statement.
While you may be partially correct[1], do try to keep in mind that most, if not all, evidence in evolution suggests that the changes you are labeling 'macro evolution' usually take longer than mankind had anything resembling modern science.
[1] It depends on what your parameters are for the definitions of 'directly test and observe' are.
We have fossil evidence, backed up by radiological dating, we have observed speciation in the wild....all something to take into account.
If you are talking 'running this in a lab' over the weekend, then no, you will not observe 'macro evolution' happening. Think millennial, epochs, ages, whatever. The experiment required to test 'macro evolution' would need to run thousands of years for any useful amount of data, forget it in your lifetime.
If I have mistaken your POV, I am sorry, and humbly will accept correction.
I do not mean to question your faith, only point out that evolution needs to be viewed from a time perspective that makes no real sense to equate to a human life, or even a double handful of current human generations, and that seems to be hard for us to accept. YMMV.....
signed,
rts008, on a Public Terminal, and strange keyboard...*sigh*
In Soviet UK, TV watches you!
Color me surprised. /sarcasm