The only flaw in your argument is that Apple did not leverage a position of dominance in either of those markets to gain the position they now have. It may look that way now but it certainly did not start that way.
Further the iTMS lets you burn to CD as AIFF. If you have a superior player at a later date then you can import your songs to your player that way.
Likewise the iPod has always been able to play DRM-less tracks in the form of unprotected AAC or MP3. So if a store (like emusic.com) for example allows you to buy DRMless MP3 then the iPod can play them.
So what's the problem?
DRM.
Who wanted DRM?
The RIAA.
Who's now complaining about the fruits of their own conditions?
Someone who used to be in charge of the RIAA.
Rings hollow to me. If there is a problem with DRM in the marketplace it is the RIAAs doing, not Apples.
Maybe, but anonymous cowards don't get to mod at all. Get an account, make some contributions and then you'll get some mod points and be able to mod me "redundant" later.
The iPod/iTunes pair is NOT the same as Microsoft's monopolistic practices.
1) Apple had to come up with the DRM scheme to satisfy the very same RIAA people now whining about it. 2) Apple likes to make the "whole widget" - they always have. There is nothing evil about this, it is the most important differentiator that Apple have! 3) When Apple released the iTunes Music store/iPod combination they had negligible market share in the Music biz. They were not leveraging an existing monopoly. 4) Consumers obviously liked the way iPod and itunes music store worked together, making them both number one in their respective markets. To ask Apple to decouple them now is demonstrably NOT what the consumer wants. There ARE other options and people are NOT taking them.
This is, in effect, saying "I HAVE to buy an iPod because I HAVE to use ITMS" No you don't, go use a different music store!
Or "I Have to use ITMS because iPod is the only viable music player" - no it isn't! If you don't like the tie-in then don't buy an iPod.
"Think about the next generation - random alien shows up, strange problem happens, strange problem stems from a problem with random alien, who is outwardly scary but inwardly kind and vastly misunderstood, enterprise makes friends, credits."
You forgot the bit where Jordi reroutes power to the main deflector dish to tickle the alien with a tachyon particle stream. Alien laughs, humans cheer, Picard says something inspirational to the crew, Riker eyes off Troi, Data says something logical but funny in the circumstances and looks bemused at the response, Wesley chimes in with something annoyingly childish but loaded with wisdom beyond his years as he finished his nobel prize winning science experiment. THEN the credits roll.
PS there's usually a game of poker in there somewhere too
Well I don't know about the most successful software being "dumb" but the original poster did make an interesting and "insightful" observation regarding market saturation.
Seems unthinkable only a few years ago but it is possible that companies offering services have a far more scalable business model than Microsoft.
Possibly for the first time a company like Apple can see light at the end of the tunnel. A computer user can really only buy one O/S at a time. How many songs can they download?
Agreed. The other thing about this is that it will work against the industry in the end. They may actually succeed in this promotion of the philosophy that everyone steals music. If this happens then I think in the end even those who do not steal music will come to believe that this is what is expected of them.
A bit like continuously telling children they are "bad" in the hope that they will become "good".
Guy puts a song on his server, gets hauled into court and is ordered to pay the RIAA (or the equivalent in whatever country we are talking about this week) for the lost revenue ie "damages"
However, said country has a law in place that assumes all MP3 player owners will steal music and preemptively compensates the industry when the user buys the player. How then could the industry argue that people who share music are depriving them of revenue - they've already had it!
Yeah, I hear what you are saying regards the real relevance of OS X to hardened Windows developers.
The more I think about it the more I like the timing of it though. Apple have used their own WWDC as the platform for showcasing OS upgrades and I guess it would fit Jobs sense of timing to actually release Tiger around WINHEC time.
Not so much to hit developers but the rest of the potential users (and IT press) who have increasingly become watchers of those events.
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"Their product lines bear little resemblence." ..try as they might.
The only flaw in your argument is that Apple did not leverage a position of dominance in either of those markets to gain the position they now have. It may look that way now but it certainly did not start that way.
Further the iTMS lets you burn to CD as AIFF. If you have a superior player at a later date then you can import your songs to your player that way.
Likewise the iPod has always been able to play DRM-less tracks in the form of unprotected AAC or MP3. So if a store (like emusic.com) for example allows you to buy DRMless MP3 then the iPod can play them.
So what's the problem?
DRM.
Who wanted DRM?
The RIAA.
Who's now complaining about the fruits of their own conditions?
Someone who used to be in charge of the RIAA.
Rings hollow to me. If there is a problem with DRM in the marketplace it is the RIAAs doing, not Apples.
You're a funny lad.
I don't think Mod points are as powerful as a "nuclear stockpile" but you may have a point in terms of the "patent portfolio"
I'd mod you up to "amusing" if I could...
Maybe, but anonymous cowards don't get to mod at all. Get an account, make some contributions and then you'll get some mod points and be able to mod me "redundant" later.
Overrated, troll.
Geez guys I was only joking.
I like BSD.
Touchy.
BSD is dying 5.3 fixes the following issues:
BSD is dying 5.2 didn't work.
The iPod/iTunes pair is NOT the same as Microsoft's monopolistic practices.
1) Apple had to come up with the DRM scheme to satisfy the very same RIAA people now whining about it.
2) Apple likes to make the "whole widget" - they always have. There is nothing evil about this, it is the most important differentiator that Apple have!
3) When Apple released the iTunes Music store/iPod combination they had negligible market share in the Music biz. They were not leveraging an existing monopoly.
4) Consumers obviously liked the way iPod and itunes music store worked together, making them both number one in their respective markets. To ask Apple to decouple them now is demonstrably NOT what the consumer wants. There ARE other options and people are NOT taking them.
This is, in effect, saying "I HAVE to buy an iPod because I HAVE to use ITMS" No you don't, go use a different music store!
Or "I Have to use ITMS because iPod is the only viable music player" - no it isn't! If you don't like the tie-in then don't buy an iPod.
All I want is a lightsaber that "just works".
So I'm waiting for iSaber from Apple...
Then I'm waiting 12-24 Months for WinSaber so that I can have opponents from the evil empire to battle with...
"Think about the next generation - random alien shows up, strange problem happens, strange problem stems from a problem with random alien, who is outwardly scary but inwardly kind and vastly misunderstood, enterprise makes friends, credits."
You forgot the bit where Jordi reroutes power to the main deflector dish to tickle the alien with a tachyon particle stream. Alien laughs, humans cheer, Picard says something inspirational to the crew, Riker eyes off Troi, Data says something logical but funny in the circumstances and looks bemused at the response, Wesley chimes in with something annoyingly childish but loaded with wisdom beyond his years as he finished his nobel prize winning science experiment. THEN the credits roll.
PS there's usually a game of poker in there somewhere too
I wish I had some MOD points. Someone give this post some mod points.
This stuff happens too often here.
I think a future version of X86 should have virus execution assistance in hardware.
Given that you just can't stop the things, why not offload the burden of running them from the processor?
BIPs (Bots Infected per Second) could be the metric for performance.
Yes you're right.
Take a newer version of windows and turn off all the eye candy that tricked people into thinking they needed the upgrade in the first place.
Then it runs faster than the previous version.
"I can't wait until Longhorn is released"
I hope you aren't holding your breath.
Well I don't know about the most successful software being "dumb" but the original poster did make an interesting and "insightful" observation regarding market saturation.
Seems unthinkable only a few years ago but it is possible that companies offering services have a far more scalable business model than Microsoft.
Possibly for the first time a company like Apple can see light at the end of the tunnel. A computer user can really only buy one O/S at a time. How many songs can they download?
"9.6 Billion dollars. $9,620,000,000.00"
Oh sure it looks like a lot when you write it like THAT....
Tired of all that huffing and puffing, the big bad wolf decided to try another approach.
Agreed. The other thing about this is that it will work against the industry in the end. They may actually succeed in this promotion of the philosophy that everyone steals music. If this happens then I think in the end even those who do not steal music will come to believe that this is what is expected of them.
A bit like continuously telling children they are "bad" in the hope that they will become "good".
Doesn't work. Neither will this.
If I use a lossless codec that I need more space per song. I have to pay more per song, unfair I tells ya!
I think these will be widely available before Longhorn...
Am I wrong in thinking the following?
Guy puts a song on his server, gets hauled into court and is ordered to pay the RIAA (or the equivalent in whatever country we are talking about this week) for the lost revenue ie "damages"
However, said country has a law in place that assumes all MP3 player owners will steal music and preemptively compensates the industry when the user buys the player. How then could the industry argue that people who share music are depriving them of revenue - they've already had it!
You should go to jail for 3 years for MAKING "Big Momma's House" - get the REAL criminals I think!
This is great stuff from the big "A"
Meanwhile over in another story the big "M" is refusing to do a complete TCP/IP implementation.
...that eventually hands it's packets to a Windows service makes denial of service attacks entirely too trivial.
Copland! That really bad movie with Sly and the Johnny Walker guy? Get outta here man!
Yeah, I hear what you are saying regards the real relevance of OS X to hardened Windows developers.
The more I think about it the more I like the timing of it though. Apple have used their own WWDC as the platform for showcasing OS upgrades and I guess it would fit Jobs sense of timing to actually release Tiger around WINHEC time.
Not so much to hit developers but the rest of the potential users (and IT press) who have increasingly become watchers of those events.