If I had moderator points right now, I would mod you funny, because you can't seriously be saying that you dislike having a hard time seeing your url space with CherryPy, and in the same breath recommend that mangled vomit of regex instead.:)
I think this is a gnome problem; I have that exact same issue under Gentoo. Install a package, and it won't show up until I log out and back into gnome. The menu apparently just never bothers to look for stuff again after it starts, and if there is a (sensible, easy) way to TELL it to look, I am not aware of it.
Enter the precise title of this very article ("Learning about full text search" -- it will strip the hyphen anyway), and order by date: Your top hit will be "A.I. Helicopters" with this article hit #2.
Even better, order by score: your top hit will be "C++ Answers From Bjarne Stroustrup" -- this article doesn't even appear on the first page of 30 hits.
Okay, you say... maybe it's not searching the titles, but the article bodies only. Let's try "Tim bray XML search"... ordered by date, we get the same results (#2 to A.I. Helicopter's #1), ordered by score, this article again does not appear in the first 30 hits. By limiting the search to only the 'Developers' section, I finally got it to appear in the first page of results (at #5).
A rather hit-or-miss tool at best, for trying to find something older than the last couple days, in here.
I don't know about any "Mark of the Beast" but having a chip that anyone can track, that I can't just set down? Um, yeah. Uncomfortable with that. I think my personal habits are well enough documented by shadowy figures I am unaware of already, thankyouverymuch.
(Yes, Disney, Best Buy, etc. count as shadowy. Don't you agree?)
Except they won't give you a bonus for it. They won't give you anything for it. Their position will be, "We hired you to write software. You wrote software. What, you think you're a hero now, for being hired to write software and then writing some software? Take your regular sized salary check and go home grateful."
Maybe I'm cynical about how companies work... but I bet I'm right.
I don't know about the djb tools, having never used them, but as far as the GNU tools go, I couldn't agree more.
I think my favorite part of the autoconf documentation is the part where it touts using the m4 macro system, claiming it is quick, and easy to learn. Maybe it is. I don't happen to agree, but that's not really even the point. When you're writing GNU build files, that it's m4 is only incidental; you're really writing into the autoconf/automake macro API and it's one of the most byzantine, insensible tools I've stumbled across.
Not to mention how much I love having to wonder if I need to look in Makefile.am or Makefile.in for something. Or maybe aclocal? Or hey, where did that autogen.sh file come from? Wait, no, maybe it's config.h? Now, was it automake before autoconf? Did acmkdir work right, or am I just confused? Why doesn't it know what LF_CPP_PORTABILITY means when it's right in the documentation? Oh shit, I must need to run reconf. And didn't I read a paper titled "Recursive Make Considered Harmful" somewhere? Then why is it so hard to not use these directories? And why will it completely fail if I don't have internationalization support, when my customer isn't paying me to internationalize it? Hey! Where did acconfig go?!?
Ever try playing a game multiplayer with friends, and discover you can't, because it can't cope with NAT, or because despite you opening the ports the game tells you to, it seems to want more undocumented ones, or because you bought your copy for Linux and theirs is on Windows and despite being the exact same game at the same patchlevel (i.e. Loki titles), they just won't talk to each other?
If stuff just doesn't work... it's probably using DirectPlay.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. Just that stuff I know isn't using DirectPlay (id games, for example) always seems to work fine.
Yeah. Dissolved. Like in a gigantic vat of bubbling acid.
Now THAT is what I call 'worth the price of admission'.
You think that's bad, try Nautilus' Samba support.
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Oh, boy. If you disliked Nautilus this much just from that use, it's a good thing you didn't try to use it's (supposed) Samba support, or a tri-state rampage may have ensued.
Let's check the laundry-list, shall we?
Randomly gives 'permission denied' to shares that smbclient sees just fine.
Only gives you a login box the first time you open a share -- there is absolutely no way to try logging in as a different user after you're in once, and if you logged in with the wrong userid, God help you.
The only way to even view your network is to type the magic string "smb:" into the location bar -- there is no UI for it.
The smb: url wants not only your username, but your password -- right there for the whole world to see sitting in the location bar. Shoulder-surfing was never so easy.
If you have to co-exist in a Windows networked world, I'm afraid Nautilus is actually worse than nothing.
For those who don't have time to read the whole thing, I provide this handy summary which (true to the unix philosophy) is 90 percent "good enough":
Unix has no versioning file system.
If you want the other ten percent of complaints, you'll just have to read it yourself, but that summary will get you pretty much the whole thing otherwise.
I hate info. An unnecessary tool poorly implemented (implemented in the 'practically unusable' sense -- for all I know, the code for info could be excellent).
Okay, now that I've drawn my line in the sand, what differentiates me from everyone else on/.? Why do I hate info?
I pretty much already answered that above. It's an unnecessary tool. There exists no gap between "man page" and "html/pdf/tool of choice for 'real' documentation" that needs to be addressed.
'man' is exactly what you want for immediate access to practically everything (although I wish man -k worked better...) when you're in the middle of completing some task. All you need to know is a couple simple things, like how your pager works, and whether you're getting the bash or the libc man page for something when there's an overlap -- and even that could probably be addressed by adding symbolic names so we can type 'man libc printf' instead of the random 'man 3 printf' so we don't look at printf for the shell. But anyway. They all are arranged the same, and you can zip to what you need in moments; plus, in my experience the man page holds what I needed better than three quarters of the time. All that, and I didn't have to use a strange tree-structured pager that poorly identifies links and doesn't behave like lynx or any other similar text-mode document navigation tool I am familiar with.
For any documentation need more heavyweight than that, I probably want to be looking at something like javadoc or the python library reference, in my web browser. A web browser is very well suited to navigating hierarchal documentation structures (especially if they use their link tags well!). I have all the tools of mozilla (phoenix, galeon, konqueror, etc.) at my disposal to locate the information I need, and for a serious documentation need, I would rather be reading for two hours on a browser with good (well, better) font support than in an xterm. And for the doc writer, there are lots of tools available (starting with LaTeX, which is totally free) to generate these docs not only as html, but as postscript or pdfs for paper presentation as well.
So for me, it's a one-two punch; I don't see a need in the space the tool addresses, and I find the tool itself to be unwieldy. I'd love to see better man pages, as far as I'm concerned, it has far from outlived its usefulness.
You forgot "Oh, and we'll completely destroy the Enterprise, because we never did thatbefore!"
If this is their flagship, it's a miracle the Federation hasn't been destroyed by spacefaring tribbles by now. "They fired a rubber-band at us, Captain! We have to eject the warp core!"
All of my guy friends, and myself included, played it for like two hours, said "Oh heh, that's cool, whatever." and walked away.
All of our wives/girlfriends (yes, we have those!!) are COMPLETELY addicted. They trade passwords, they run web forums, they spend hour after hour playing the thing... it's like an anthropology study, I swear, how different the attitude is about the game, and how sharply divided it seems to be along the gender line.
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You forgot the -X
If I had moderator points right now, I would mod you funny, because you can't seriously be saying that you dislike having a hard time seeing your url space with CherryPy, and in the same breath recommend that mangled vomit of regex instead. :)
That is, until the next rewrite.
I think this is a gnome problem; I have that exact same issue under Gentoo. Install a package, and it won't show up until I log out and back into gnome. The menu apparently just never bothers to look for stuff again after it starts, and if there is a (sensible, easy) way to TELL it to look, I am not aware of it.
Smooth, clean, fast... and kinda stupid.
Enter the precise title of this very article ("Learning about full text search" -- it will strip the hyphen anyway), and order by date: Your top hit will be "A.I. Helicopters" with this article hit #2.
Even better, order by score: your top hit will be "C++ Answers From Bjarne Stroustrup" -- this article doesn't even appear on the first page of 30 hits.
Okay, you say... maybe it's not searching the titles, but the article bodies only. Let's try "Tim bray XML search"... ordered by date, we get the same results (#2 to A.I. Helicopter's #1), ordered by score, this article again does not appear in the first 30 hits. By limiting the search to only the 'Developers' section, I finally got it to appear in the first page of results (at #5).
A rather hit-or-miss tool at best, for trying to find something older than the last couple days, in here.
I don't know about any "Mark of the Beast" but having a chip that anyone can track, that I can't just set down? Um, yeah. Uncomfortable with that. I think my personal habits are well enough documented by shadowy figures I am unaware of already, thankyouverymuch.
(Yes, Disney, Best Buy, etc. count as shadowy. Don't you agree?)
Except they won't give you a bonus for it. They won't give you anything for it. Their position will be, "We hired you to write software. You wrote software. What, you think you're a hero now, for being hired to write software and then writing some software? Take your regular sized salary check and go home grateful."
Maybe I'm cynical about how companies work... but I bet I'm right.
Trust an Apple user to pay $500 to save $500. ;-)
And for this reason, the Open Source movement was born; "Free Software" being "crap" in the estimation of brain trusts such as these.
Thanks to the wonders of the human brain, I knew at a glance that you meant tongue!
And how long would it take a school of piranhas to skeletonize this cloud? Bear in mind that this unit is a ratio of clouds to cows/minute.
Wait, you mean Quark Express ISN'T a high-end scientific computing package for physics modeling???
I don't know about the djb tools, having never used them, but as far as the GNU tools go, I couldn't agree more.
I think my favorite part of the autoconf documentation is the part where it touts using the m4 macro system, claiming it is quick, and easy to learn. Maybe it is. I don't happen to agree, but that's not really even the point. When you're writing GNU build files, that it's m4 is only incidental; you're really writing into the autoconf/automake macro API and it's one of the most byzantine, insensible tools I've stumbled across.
Not to mention how much I love having to wonder if I need to look in Makefile.am or Makefile.in for something. Or maybe aclocal? Or hey, where did that autogen.sh file come from? Wait, no, maybe it's config.h? Now, was it automake before autoconf? Did acmkdir work right, or am I just confused? Why doesn't it know what LF_CPP_PORTABILITY means when it's right in the documentation? Oh shit, I must need to run reconf. And didn't I read a paper titled "Recursive Make Considered Harmful" somewhere? Then why is it so hard to not use these directories? And why will it completely fail if I don't have internationalization support, when my customer isn't paying me to internationalize it? Hey! Where did acconfig go?!?
*pant* *pant* *wheeze* Eh, you get the idea.
At the risk of sounding glib, erm... "We will anxiously await hearing updates on your progress, then."
Amen. For a really amusing time, run superkaramba under MemProf. It is... enlightening.
Nonono, it's THACK-o manipulation!
No, it's THAY-co manipulation.
THACK-o.
THAY-co.
THACK-o! THAY-co! THACKO! THAYCO!
*vicious slapfight breaks out in which no one could possibly ever be injured*
Ever try playing a game multiplayer with friends, and discover you can't, because it can't cope with NAT, or because despite you opening the ports the game tells you to, it seems to want more undocumented ones, or because you bought your copy for Linux and theirs is on Windows and despite being the exact same game at the same patchlevel (i.e. Loki titles), they just won't talk to each other?
If stuff just doesn't work... it's probably using DirectPlay.
Not that I'm bitter or anything. Just that stuff I know isn't using DirectPlay (id games, for example) always seems to work fine.
Yeah. Dissolved. Like in a gigantic vat of bubbling acid.
Now THAT is what I call 'worth the price of admission'.
Oh, boy. If you disliked Nautilus this much just from that use, it's a good thing you didn't try to use it's (supposed) Samba support, or a tri-state rampage may have ensued.
Let's check the laundry-list, shall we?
If you have to co-exist in a Windows networked world, I'm afraid Nautilus is actually worse than nothing.
You mean like Metal Gear Solid 2?
For those who don't have time to read the whole thing, I provide this handy summary which (true to the unix philosophy) is 90 percent "good enough":
Unix has no versioning file system.
If you want the other ten percent of complaints, you'll just have to read it yourself, but that summary will get you pretty much the whole thing otherwise.
Amen.
I hate info. An unnecessary tool poorly implemented (implemented in the 'practically unusable' sense -- for all I know, the code for info could be excellent).
Okay, now that I've drawn my line in the sand, what differentiates me from everyone else on /.? Why do I hate info?
I pretty much already answered that above. It's an unnecessary tool. There exists no gap between "man page" and "html/pdf/tool of choice for 'real' documentation" that needs to be addressed.
'man' is exactly what you want for immediate access to practically everything (although I wish man -k worked better...) when you're in the middle of completing some task. All you need to know is a couple simple things, like how your pager works, and whether you're getting the bash or the libc man page for something when there's an overlap -- and even that could probably be addressed by adding symbolic names so we can type 'man libc printf' instead of the random 'man 3 printf' so we don't look at printf for the shell. But anyway. They all are arranged the same, and you can zip to what you need in moments; plus, in my experience the man page holds what I needed better than three quarters of the time. All that, and I didn't have to use a strange tree-structured pager that poorly identifies links and doesn't behave like lynx or any other similar text-mode document navigation tool I am familiar with.
For any documentation need more heavyweight than that, I probably want to be looking at something like javadoc or the python library reference, in my web browser. A web browser is very well suited to navigating hierarchal documentation structures (especially if they use their link tags well!). I have all the tools of mozilla (phoenix, galeon, konqueror, etc.) at my disposal to locate the information I need, and for a serious documentation need, I would rather be reading for two hours on a browser with good (well, better) font support than in an xterm. And for the doc writer, there are lots of tools available (starting with LaTeX, which is totally free) to generate these docs not only as html, but as postscript or pdfs for paper presentation as well.
So for me, it's a one-two punch; I don't see a need in the space the tool addresses, and I find the tool itself to be unwieldy. I'd love to see better man pages, as far as I'm concerned, it has far from outlived its usefulness.
From the article:
While appearing on the web, not on Usenet, clearly this is a violation of Godwin's Law.
Sorry, Dave.
You forgot "Oh, and we'll completely destroy the Enterprise, because we never did thatbefore!"
If this is their flagship, it's a miracle the Federation hasn't been destroyed by spacefaring tribbles by now. "They fired a rubber-band at us, Captain! We have to eject the warp core!"
Two words: Animal Crossing
All of my guy friends, and myself included, played it for like two hours, said "Oh heh, that's cool, whatever." and walked away.
All of our wives/girlfriends (yes, we have those!!) are COMPLETELY addicted. They trade passwords, they run web forums, they spend hour after hour playing the thing... it's like an anthropology study, I swear, how different the attitude is about the game, and how sharply divided it seems to be along the gender line.