I think you're looking at it in the wrong way. While I think that "critiquing" is complete bullshit, there are intellectual types who enjoy looking at "art" "poetry" and "music" only because of the "critiquing" While I don't mean to portray them in a negative light, but they are the same types of people who will exclude some things as art poetry or music simply because it "isn't intellectual enough", meaning that it hasn't gone through the critiquing, so it must not be "high level art."
You get the same kind of reaction with rap. I know that 90% of it is about "bitches and hoes" but I have heard some amazingly articulate poetry wrapped in rap which is instantly discredited as "real poetry" simply because it is labelled as rap. I know for a fact that if you were to present some of this rap on paper, it would somehow have more credibility with these types.
I guess what I'm getting at here is that if some video game is ever going to be viewed as an art form, it has to comply with this ages-old system of (for lack of a better term) snootability. The only way you could possibly sway these snooty art critic types is to present it in the same fashion as a painting, or a sculpture, or like the "classical" music.
While I didn't read the article, I can't comment on how high or low level the critiquing for Katamari, but I imagine if could be a step towards getting some form of art credibility for video games.
well, the main point is that one of the authors and not George Lucas should write it. I was familiar with Stackpole, his X-Wing books are awesome, same goes for his Battletech books. I wasn't too familiar with Zahn's work:( I'll have to give him a read sometime then.
Although I not a huge Starwars fan, I find a lot of the credit for the "master plan" can be attributed to the authors of the Star Wars novels. They're the ones with the creative drive to continue the story they love. I think that if episodes 7, 8, and 9 ever get made, they should be written by Micheal A. Stackpole, who seems to generally know what he's doing.
Were you doing a European theatre re-enactment of World War 2, except you got the shaft and had to be on the Russian Side? (where every other soldier got a gun, the ones in between got the extra ammo)
I still enjoyed it. The only part of the hype that let me down was that intelligent AI that they talked about in all the magazines. I swear, every single action game since 1997 has boasted "revolutionary new AI!" and "the enemies work as squads to take you down!" and finally "the enemies will seek cover from incoming fire!" Yet they're never really as good as is said.
I was implying that with the new Toshiba 3-layer HD-DVDs which can have either 2 layers of regular DVD (~8.5gb) and one layer of HD-DVD(~35gb) or 2 layers of HD-DVD(~70gb) and one layer of regular DVD (~4.7gb) the game developers could say, put the regular game on the regular DVD layer(s) (with only regular definition textures and CGI/FMVs) and then maybe put the ultra high resolution textures and CGI/FMVs on the HD-DVD layers. Then the game could say, look at what model you have (the regular DVD, or the HD-DVD drive) and then decide which layer to load from.
This would not segment the market at all because the people who want the extra HD content to go on their nice $5000 HDTV could buy the HD-DVD XBOX360. Then the regular people who just want to play the games wouldn't have to go and buy a brand new HD-DVD Xbox360. Both groups would be buying the exact same disc, but they'd be getting content equal to what they're willing to pay for. This would put all of the pressure onto the developers to choose whether to segment the market or not.
As far as the Dev's go, they'd have to be extremely foolish to only support one or the other. AFAIK if you generate a high-res texture or a high-res video, it's quite easy to downsample to save space. It wouldn't really be costing the devs that much more to generate the high-res content (they already do that, AFAIK they generate as high as they possibly can, and have since the PSX. then they downsample to fit the media/power of target system) and then keep the highres for the HD-DVD's and then just downsample on the regular DVD.
So please, how is that alienating the fanbase? Also, how does blu-ray or java support have ANYTHING to do AT ALL with the current topic?
My biggest problem with CS nowadays is that all the average to pro skilled players just know where someone's head is going to come out at a certain door (and where their head will be when they subsequently duck) and they know their own reaction time, so they just aim at one of those spots and wait for you. Also it is a problem that people have been playing the maps since '99 and know everything about them, including where to shoot through walls that will generally result in damage to other players. I think both of those problems could be remedied by adding new content (maps, weapons, and general features.) I must say that the new radar system is quite interesting, and has actually gotten me to log off of PoE2 for Battlefield 2 long enough to check out.
Christ, up until the 4th page I was wondering if any of them were involved with companies anyone ever heard or cared about. Then I saw the one from EA and realized that they did find atleast someone from a company everyone hates.
With the news about the HD/DVD hybrid discs from yesterday, it might not be such a bad idea to do the internal HD-DVD drive. They could then leave it up to game devs to support HD, Non-HD, or both. Assuming that most game devs aren't handicapped, they'll probably opt for using that DVD/HD combo so that those of us with regular DVD drives, can play the same games as those with the HD-DVD drives (and maybe those of us with non-HD will also be allowed to read the text in their games too!)
or it forces you to reinstall your OS every 6 months or so, which isn't such a bad idea anyway. If I got a nickel for every time someone asked me why their computer was so slow, only to find that their registry has 10 miles of old half-uninstalled, forgotten about programs and they'd never done a defrag/scandisk, I'd be able to retire before finishing university!
or you could be the slightest bit smart about your investments and be able to coast for 5-6 years before needing the new machine. I mean, my processor (AMD S939 3200) is the best possible one to get for S939. At no point in the future could I find a 3500+, 3700+, 3800+, X2 3800+, X2 4200+, X2 4600+, X2 4800+, FX 55, FX 57, FX 60. My videocard is a 7600GT PCI-e, and there are no possible upgrades for PCI-e. Nvidia doesn't have the 7800GT series, 7900GT series or 7950GT series. ATI doesn't have any competing series of cards either. I have 2 sticks of 1gb ram and 4 slots, so there is no way in hell I could possibly upgrade my ram in the future. I am currently using onboard sound, Creative labs and Chaintech (to name a few) don't make any sort of PCI sound processing devices
My point is that my PC has quite a few years left in it before I have to switch to a brand new machine. I only have to switch to the brand new machine if I want to stay current in gaming. Barring a major failure of one of my devices, I'd suspect that over the next 4 years I might have to put another $400 in my machine. I won't even mention that I can sell off older parts to people who are doing the same thing as me, just one generation behind.
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no of course not, you're supposed to AVOID the noid. . . stupid :D
Which Slashdot alternate reality is this?
In my reality the slashdot army throws out the instructions along with the warranty cards and celophane wrapings.
Sure sequels have been around for awhile but now the game industry is DRIVEN by these, not by new ideas.
I don't recall seeing any boobies in Doom. . .
further, after reading the article, that is precisely the argument the author is making in the critique.
I think you're looking at it in the wrong way. While I think that "critiquing" is complete bullshit, there are intellectual types who enjoy looking at "art" "poetry" and "music" only because of the "critiquing" While I don't mean to portray them in a negative light, but they are the same types of people who will exclude some things as art poetry or music simply because it "isn't intellectual enough", meaning that it hasn't gone through the critiquing, so it must not be "high level art."
You get the same kind of reaction with rap. I know that 90% of it is about "bitches and hoes" but I have heard some amazingly articulate poetry wrapped in rap which is instantly discredited as "real poetry" simply because it is labelled as rap. I know for a fact that if you were to present some of this rap on paper, it would somehow have more credibility with these types.
I guess what I'm getting at here is that if some video game is ever going to be viewed as an art form, it has to comply with this ages-old system of (for lack of a better term) snootability. The only way you could possibly sway these snooty art critic types is to present it in the same fashion as a painting, or a sculpture, or like the "classical" music.
While I didn't read the article, I can't comment on how high or low level the critiquing for Katamari, but I imagine if could be a step towards getting some form of art credibility for video games.
well, the main point is that one of the authors and not George Lucas should write it. I was familiar with Stackpole, his X-Wing books are awesome, same goes for his Battletech books. I wasn't too familiar with Zahn's work :( I'll have to give him a read sometime then.
Although I not a huge Starwars fan, I find a lot of the credit for the "master plan" can be attributed to the authors of the Star Wars novels. They're the ones with the creative drive to continue the story they love. I think that if episodes 7, 8, and 9 ever get made, they should be written by Micheal A. Stackpole, who seems to generally know what he's doing.
well they only did it to lock in 25 years worth of dupes.
You must be new to slashdot, no one makes a pro-StarForce comment and lives to tell about it.
Were you doing a European theatre re-enactment of World War 2, except you got the shaft and had to be on the Russian Side? (where every other soldier got a gun, the ones in between got the extra ammo)
shhh. Did you hear that? that was the joke FLYING over your head.
surely the Zidane-bot would put the fear of god in ALL of us. We can only hope that doesn't come to pass.
I still enjoyed it. The only part of the hype that let me down was that intelligent AI that they talked about in all the magazines. I swear, every single action game since 1997 has boasted "revolutionary new AI!" and "the enemies work as squads to take you down!" and finally "the enemies will seek cover from incoming fire!" Yet they're never really as good as is said.
Well considering that they tried to program super dolphins, I wouldn't put it past them to make super people. (or was that even DARPA?)
I was implying that with the new Toshiba 3-layer HD-DVDs which can have either 2 layers of regular DVD (~8.5gb) and one layer of HD-DVD(~35gb) or 2 layers of HD-DVD(~70gb) and one layer of regular DVD (~4.7gb) the game developers could say, put the regular game on the regular DVD layer(s) (with only regular definition textures and CGI/FMVs) and then maybe put the ultra high resolution textures and CGI/FMVs on the HD-DVD layers. Then the game could say, look at what model you have (the regular DVD, or the HD-DVD drive) and then decide which layer to load from.
This would not segment the market at all because the people who want the extra HD content to go on their nice $5000 HDTV could buy the HD-DVD XBOX360. Then the regular people who just want to play the games wouldn't have to go and buy a brand new HD-DVD Xbox360. Both groups would be buying the exact same disc, but they'd be getting content equal to what they're willing to pay for. This would put all of the pressure onto the developers to choose whether to segment the market or not.
As far as the Dev's go, they'd have to be extremely foolish to only support one or the other. AFAIK if you generate a high-res texture or a high-res video, it's quite easy to downsample to save space. It wouldn't really be costing the devs that much more to generate the high-res content (they already do that, AFAIK they generate as high as they possibly can, and have since the PSX. then they downsample to fit the media/power of target system) and then keep the highres for the HD-DVD's and then just downsample on the regular DVD.
So please, how is that alienating the fanbase? Also, how does blu-ray or java support have ANYTHING to do AT ALL with the current topic?
My biggest problem with CS nowadays is that all the average to pro skilled players just know where someone's head is going to come out at a certain door (and where their head will be when they subsequently duck) and they know their own reaction time, so they just aim at one of those spots and wait for you. Also it is a problem that people have been playing the maps since '99 and know everything about them, including where to shoot through walls that will generally result in damage to other players. I think both of those problems could be remedied by adding new content (maps, weapons, and general features.) I must say that the new radar system is quite interesting, and has actually gotten me to log off of PoE2 for Battlefield 2 long enough to check out.
Christ, up until the 4th page I was wondering if any of them were involved with companies anyone ever heard or cared about. Then I saw the one from EA and realized that they did find atleast someone from a company everyone hates.
With the news about the HD/DVD hybrid discs from yesterday, it might not be such a bad idea to do the internal HD-DVD drive. They could then leave it up to game devs to support HD, Non-HD, or both. Assuming that most game devs aren't handicapped, they'll probably opt for using that DVD/HD combo so that those of us with regular DVD drives, can play the same games as those with the HD-DVD drives (and maybe those of us with non-HD will also be allowed to read the text in their games too!)
or it forces you to reinstall your OS every 6 months or so, which isn't such a bad idea anyway. If I got a nickel for every time someone asked me why their computer was so slow, only to find that their registry has 10 miles of old half-uninstalled, forgotten about programs and they'd never done a defrag/scandisk, I'd be able to retire before finishing university!
I think I've seen some game titles that were worse. . .
or you could be the slightest bit smart about your investments and be able to coast for 5-6 years before needing the new machine. I mean, my processor (AMD S939 3200) is the best possible one to get for S939. At no point in the future could I find a 3500+, 3700+, 3800+, X2 3800+, X2 4200+, X2 4600+, X2 4800+, FX 55, FX 57, FX 60. My videocard is a 7600GT PCI-e, and there are no possible upgrades for PCI-e. Nvidia doesn't have the 7800GT series, 7900GT series or 7950GT series. ATI doesn't have any competing series of cards either. I have 2 sticks of 1gb ram and 4 slots, so there is no way in hell I could possibly upgrade my ram in the future. I am currently using onboard sound, Creative labs and Chaintech (to name a few) don't make any sort of PCI sound processing devices
My point is that my PC has quite a few years left in it before I have to switch to a brand new machine. I only have to switch to the brand new machine if I want to stay current in gaming. Barring a major failure of one of my devices, I'd suspect that over the next 4 years I might have to put another $400 in my machine. I won't even mention that I can sell off older parts to people who are doing the same thing as me, just one generation behind.
Doesn't Sega own Sega and Sonic? So where does Sony come into this?
That's just because we pirate our copies.