Actually the dual suns you see in the movie are there in real life; granted on Earth it's an optical illusion and on Tatooine it's real but still, you only get 1 shadow.
Wouldn't it spoil it if she told the director who would die? I mean, we're not supposed to know, and the characters sure as heck don't know, so why would it be foreshadowed?
60 Minutes twice isn't Mr. Media. If you ever make a few of the highest grossing films of all time, found Pixar, ILM, and THX, and you only give 2 interviews on 60 Minutes, it's likely you're a bit out of the limelight compared to what others would be.
You're all overanalyzing this. Star Wars was made for kids; 10 year olds like Lucas was when he watched Buck Rodgers. It's a kid's movie, and that's why it's not so amazing if you watch it for the first time as an adult.
If you're truly convinced that George Lucas has witheld early previews to reviewers until they agree to give him a good review, then that's your opinion. I just don't see why he's more likely to do it than any other moviemaker on Earth. George Lucas has a lot less riding on this movie than others have on their movies; he's rich and he really doesn't care what critics think (I recall him saying he doesn't read reviews). He is in no way more likely to be a bastard and fix the reviews of his film than any other person.
Is that the reason? She wasn't cut for any of the zillions of billions of other reasons why things get cut from movies? Did they reshoot her scence without her?
I'd like to see where you learned why she was cut; it's possible she's just looking for reasons to blame people or something.
He has to make you fans again? What, just because he stops making movies for a while means you revert to your Pre-Star Wars stage and aren't a fan anymore? That's silly. If anything, you would be a fan from the first three he made, revert to normal person once hating Episode I, then see Episode II to see if he wins you back. Episode I shouldn't be his attempt to win you back, since there was nothing to disenchant you with the magic of Star Wars before that. Unless you didn't like the Special Editions or something but you don't need to bother seeing those.
I know, what's even worse are those first few movies. Just a few spaceships, Luke discovers the force, shoots a bunch of stormtroopers and blows up a Death Star or two. And Darth's his father. I mean seriosuly, what do people see in these things?
If you oversimplify to the degree that you did Episode III, you can make anything look stupid. Romea and Juliet is just two lovey-dovey people with a fatal misunderstanding. Indiana Jones is just some archaeologist who beats up Nazis. Episode III is just some saber fights. I mean come on; you know it's more than that.
How many friends do you think George Lucas has in the media? He formed his own movie company because he HATED the studio system; he never appears on talk shows or gives interviews; Lucasfilm isn't even a publicly traded company. He has as much sway over what movie reviewers say as you do.
This is Slashdot man! Quick, take it all back! We have to bash Lucas somehow! Uhh, how about you say that he ruined your childhood and I make a joke about how he uses $100 bills for silly things like paper airplanes! If we hurry we can save your karma!
Maybe if Episode III is good we can get rid of one of the seminal sources of Slashdotter rage.:D
Yeah, I'm right there with you. Rebellion is actually one of my favorite games of all time; it seemed to me like it struck the balance between a deep game and something with way too much stuff pretty well. People hated the interface but really it was just basically, like, Windows.
Lucas is out for money? First one was a blockbuster so he milked it 'till the cows came home? Never had a coherent story at all?
Sorry, but to borrow your abrasive tone, shut the hell up. If you truly don't think he intended to have a trilogy, even having left Darth Vader alive after A New Hope, having tried to title it Episode 4, having desperately secured the rights to merchandise so he could market the movie in order to make the others, having EXPRESSELY WRITTEN THE DAMN CONTRACT WITH FOX TO ALLOW HIM TO MAKE THE NEXT MOVIES, then you're crazy. Loony. Seriously, do you think he wrote the next two movies into his contract because he had some sort of vision of $$$ from Star Wars? He thoguht it would be a failure, as did most of his friends and much of 20th Century Fox.
I won't talk about the early versions of the script, that began with a Jedi named Mace Windu, because you would just say he made those up after the prequels began filming (although I believe Mace Windu was mentioned before that in a biography). But it still seems odd to ignore all of that just because you desperately need to cast George Lucas as a money hungry tyrant exploiting the beauty that is Star Wars (which he, incidentally, made) to take all your precious money.
I'm not so sure you were supposed to feel outraged. I think this was more like a "heads up" news post than "RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE FOR IT HATH RATED THE NEW STAR WARS MOVIE PG-13" news post. I may have misread it though.
What the heck are you talking about? They were talking about the first time they kissed which is a perfectly normal thing to do in public. Even mommy and daddy kiss! Kids see that all the time. And evidently you've forgotten how it is to be 8 years old; you don't really care if someone gets chopped in half if they're a bad guy, or if someone loses an arm if they don't whine about it. Little kids are violent as heck. Stormtroopers being shot by the dozens? They eat that stuff up.
I'm not even going to talk about Lucas creating a controversy which the media is eating up. If you think a post on a site only nerds read is "eating it up" or that the fact it's rated PG-13 is some sort of controversy, you need to reexamine your analysis.
Okay, maybe I did talk about it. But only a little:D
That's pretty funny; as I read that in the book I thought over and over how to get something that brilliant into movie form. I would have Arthur nervously glance at the statue once in a while, and we can't really see what the arm is doing. Every once in a while, as he's ducking and dodging Agrajag, he sees the statue and a puzzled look crosses his face. Finally he runs around to the side of it to escape Agrajag and notices that there is a pot of petunias hanging ominously in the shadows above the gesturing hand. I haven't described it well myself but I saw it in my mind.
I don't want to sound snarky but I think I can do the H2G2 movie better than these people can, without actually having seen their version yet:D
Just read interviews with him if you want to see him specifically say that the reason "Episode 1" was so different from the original trilogy is that he was now a parent, and had changed to making movies his kids would enjoy.
There are a number of times that he has said Star Wars was for children. I'm pretty sure it was either on the DVD commentary or "An Empire of Dreams" which is also on the DVD. He changed Episode I because he had the perspective of a parent and figured he knew what kids would like more, not because he chose to focus on kids instead of adults.
A patient viewer can take a stoic, Zen attitude and say "I'll pretend that certain episodes didn't exist, or that The Matrix had no sequels"... but just because some people can actively avoid it, doesn't mean the harm is wholely nonexistent.
But if you ignore it, it does mean the harm is nonexistent. How is it affecting you? I truly don't care whether or not the Matrix has sequels, but if I chose to ignore them I think it would enjoying an example of good moviemaking without letting an example of bad moviemaking ruin it. If you want to stretch that into denail or something, be my guest (I'm not implying that you have), but ignoring bad movies is pretty low on my list of psychological problems.
You must be a kid- because only someone who wasn't alive in 1977 to see what Star Wars was like when it first came out would say something like that.
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. I simply figured that it had to be a kid's movie, since they made "C-3P0s," the breakfast cereal clearly targeted towards kids. Or Boba Fett underoos, which can not by any stretch of the imagination be for adults. Are you really telling me all those lunchboxes, action figures, the myraid of toys, were designed to be sold to kids who were not intended to watch the movie? George Lucas has stated many times he was making a kid's movie. Buck Rodgers was for kids. Errol Flynn was for kids. Star Wars, following the grand tradition of those adventures, was for kids.
Kids don't give a crap about shooting faces and cohpping of heads and arms if they're stormtroopers. You don't see their faces. They're just "bad guys." Watch a kid playing sometimes; they'll be killing people left and right. It's the parents who care about violence.
What Lucas wanted changed were things like the scene with Jabba the Hutt. The only reason it wasn't in the original was because of time, money, and the suspicion that he was going to go broke long before we got to Return of the Jedi so nobody would care about Jabba. If you listen to the commentary on the DVD, you can hear him talk about how he really regretted leaving that scene out when he eventually got to Return of the Jedi.
Let someone else worry about it? Lucas stays involved in everything Star Wars; you'll notice that until recently he didn't even allow Star Wars gambling machines because he figured it would be immoral to lure people to gambling just because they're Star Wars fans (although now he has decided that the fans have grown up, ergo Star Wars slots). But I went off on a tangent; Lucas doesn't just let other people run off and do things. Rest assured he'll be working on these TV thingies as much as the Prequels.
They ruined the Star Wars of your youth? What, they destroyed your copy of it? Made it illegal? Wait, no. They digitally remastered it, adding in scenes that Lucas originally wanted, and then released it. They didn't force you to watch it. You can still watch the Star Wars of your youth, and it still rocks.
Spoiling the Trilogy with awful prequels is also tough, since the only way they could affect the original Trilogy is if they somehow altered existing copies. Happily enough they don't, so if you truly hate the Prequels with a passion then you can just pretend they don't exist. Ta da! Suddenly Star Wars is perfect again! Wasn't that easy?
And if you're making a fuss about "animated cartoons" then you have obviously not seen The Clone Wars miniseries. It is evident as I watch it that everyone who worked on it loves Star Wars as much as I do. Down to the littlest detail it feels like Star Wars; the quality never lets up once, and I truly felt it was on par with the Original Trilogy. They are that good, and it's annoying to see people dismiss them because anything that's animated must automatically suck or something.
Star Wars is for kids. We all know that (hopefully). It's okay to like them, but they're not made for you. They're made for 8 and 10 year olds who go home and hit each other with sticks pretending to be Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker. Ask any of them, and they don't care about Lucas spoiling the Trilogy with awful Prequels. They just want to be Anakin Skywalker, podracing against Sebulba, or Mace Windu fighting Jango Fett. It's not as good as the Original Trilogy? So what. Go back and watch that. You've got like 3 versions to choose from now; if you can't find something you like, there's something wrong with you. Or you don't like Star Wars. But uh, those are pretty much the same:D
What, Star Wars is some trap Lucas fell into, which drew his life into a spiraling spiral (heh) of decay and torment, as each time he drew away Star Wars brought him back?
No thanks. Indiana Jones was Lucas' idea. He started Pixar, ILM, THX, led the way for special effects, worked on stuff like Radioland Murders or something, redid THX 1138 in a new edition, and has generally done what he wants to. Star Wars hasn't prevented him from doing anything, except maybe avoiding the verbal abuse of countless Slashdotters who feel offended because he somehow ruined their childhood.
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Actually the dual suns you see in the movie are there in real life; granted on Earth it's an optical illusion and on Tatooine it's real but still, you only get 1 shadow.
Wouldn't it spoil it if she told the director who would die? I mean, we're not supposed to know, and the characters sure as heck don't know, so why would it be foreshadowed?
60 Minutes twice isn't Mr. Media. If you ever make a few of the highest grossing films of all time, found Pixar, ILM, and THX, and you only give 2 interviews on 60 Minutes, it's likely you're a bit out of the limelight compared to what others would be.
You're all overanalyzing this. Star Wars was made for kids; 10 year olds like Lucas was when he watched Buck Rodgers. It's a kid's movie, and that's why it's not so amazing if you watch it for the first time as an adult.
If you're truly convinced that George Lucas has witheld early previews to reviewers until they agree to give him a good review, then that's your opinion. I just don't see why he's more likely to do it than any other moviemaker on Earth. George Lucas has a lot less riding on this movie than others have on their movies; he's rich and he really doesn't care what critics think (I recall him saying he doesn't read reviews). He is in no way more likely to be a bastard and fix the reviews of his film than any other person.
Is that the reason? She wasn't cut for any of the zillions of billions of other reasons why things get cut from movies? Did they reshoot her scence without her?
I'd like to see where you learned why she was cut; it's possible she's just looking for reasons to blame people or something.
He has to make you fans again? What, just because he stops making movies for a while means you revert to your Pre-Star Wars stage and aren't a fan anymore? That's silly. If anything, you would be a fan from the first three he made, revert to normal person once hating Episode I, then see Episode II to see if he wins you back. Episode I shouldn't be his attempt to win you back, since there was nothing to disenchant you with the magic of Star Wars before that. Unless you didn't like the Special Editions or something but you don't need to bother seeing those.
I know, what's even worse are those first few movies. Just a few spaceships, Luke discovers the force, shoots a bunch of stormtroopers and blows up a Death Star or two. And Darth's his father. I mean seriosuly, what do people see in these things?
If you oversimplify to the degree that you did Episode III, you can make anything look stupid. Romea and Juliet is just two lovey-dovey people with a fatal misunderstanding. Indiana Jones is just some archaeologist who beats up Nazis. Episode III is just some saber fights. I mean come on; you know it's more than that.
How many friends do you think George Lucas has in the media? He formed his own movie company because he HATED the studio system; he never appears on talk shows or gives interviews; Lucasfilm isn't even a publicly traded company. He has as much sway over what movie reviewers say as you do.
OH NO!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!?!?
:D
This is Slashdot man! Quick, take it all back! We have to bash Lucas somehow! Uhh, how about you say that he ruined your childhood and I make a joke about how he uses $100 bills for silly things like paper airplanes! If we hurry we can save your karma!
Maybe if Episode III is good we can get rid of one of the seminal sources of Slashdotter rage.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. Rebellion is actually one of my favorite games of all time; it seemed to me like it struck the balance between a deep game and something with way too much stuff pretty well. People hated the interface but really it was just basically, like, Windows.
It'll only get as ugly as an iPod.
Uh oh! You didn't bash Star Wars! Quick, mod him a troll :D
If you want to know more about the influences of classical myths on Star Wars, I suggest the DVD features or this site: http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/myth.html
Lucas is out for money? First one was a blockbuster so he milked it 'till the cows came home? Never had a coherent story at all?
Sorry, but to borrow your abrasive tone, shut the hell up. If you truly don't think he intended to have a trilogy, even having left Darth Vader alive after A New Hope, having tried to title it Episode 4, having desperately secured the rights to merchandise so he could market the movie in order to make the others, having EXPRESSELY WRITTEN THE DAMN CONTRACT WITH FOX TO ALLOW HIM TO MAKE THE NEXT MOVIES, then you're crazy. Loony. Seriously, do you think he wrote the next two movies into his contract because he had some sort of vision of $$$ from Star Wars? He thoguht it would be a failure, as did most of his friends and much of 20th Century Fox.
I won't talk about the early versions of the script, that began with a Jedi named Mace Windu, because you would just say he made those up after the prequels began filming (although I believe Mace Windu was mentioned before that in a biography). But it still seems odd to ignore all of that just because you desperately need to cast George Lucas as a money hungry tyrant exploiting the beauty that is Star Wars (which he, incidentally, made) to take all your precious money.
I'm not so sure you were supposed to feel outraged. I think this was more like a "heads up" news post than "RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE FOR IT HATH RATED THE NEW STAR WARS MOVIE PG-13" news post. I may have misread it though.
What the heck are you talking about? They were talking about the first time they kissed which is a perfectly normal thing to do in public. Even mommy and daddy kiss! Kids see that all the time. And evidently you've forgotten how it is to be 8 years old; you don't really care if someone gets chopped in half if they're a bad guy, or if someone loses an arm if they don't whine about it. Little kids are violent as heck. Stormtroopers being shot by the dozens? They eat that stuff up.
:D
I'm not even going to talk about Lucas creating a controversy which the media is eating up. If you think a post on a site only nerds read is "eating it up" or that the fact it's rated PG-13 is some sort of controversy, you need to reexamine your analysis.
Okay, maybe I did talk about it. But only a little
I thought 2001 had soundless space. Guess my memory's going :/
That's pretty funny; as I read that in the book I thought over and over how to get something that brilliant into movie form. I would have Arthur nervously glance at the statue once in a while, and we can't really see what the arm is doing. Every once in a while, as he's ducking and dodging Agrajag, he sees the statue and a puzzled look crosses his face. Finally he runs around to the side of it to escape Agrajag and notices that there is a pot of petunias hanging ominously in the shadows above the gesturing hand. I haven't described it well myself but I saw it in my mind. I don't want to sound snarky but I think I can do the H2G2 movie better than these people can, without actually having seen their version yet :D
Just read interviews with him if you want to see him specifically say that the reason "Episode 1" was so different from the original trilogy is that he was now a parent, and had changed to making movies his kids would enjoy.
There are a number of times that he has said Star Wars was for children. I'm pretty sure it was either on the DVD commentary or "An Empire of Dreams" which is also on the DVD. He changed Episode I because he had the perspective of a parent and figured he knew what kids would like more, not because he chose to focus on kids instead of adults.
A patient viewer can take a stoic, Zen attitude and say "I'll pretend that certain episodes didn't exist, or that The Matrix had no sequels"... but just because some people can actively avoid it, doesn't mean the harm is wholely nonexistent.
But if you ignore it, it does mean the harm is nonexistent. How is it affecting you? I truly don't care whether or not the Matrix has sequels, but if I chose to ignore them I think it would enjoying an example of good moviemaking without letting an example of bad moviemaking ruin it. If you want to stretch that into denail or something, be my guest (I'm not implying that you have), but ignoring bad movies is pretty low on my list of psychological problems.
You must be a kid- because only someone who wasn't alive in 1977 to see what Star Wars was like when it first came out would say something like that.
I'm sorry, I was mistaken. I simply figured that it had to be a kid's movie, since they made "C-3P0s," the breakfast cereal clearly targeted towards kids. Or Boba Fett underoos, which can not by any stretch of the imagination be for adults. Are you really telling me all those lunchboxes, action figures, the myraid of toys, were designed to be sold to kids who were not intended to watch the movie? George Lucas has stated many times he was making a kid's movie. Buck Rodgers was for kids. Errol Flynn was for kids. Star Wars, following the grand tradition of those adventures, was for kids.
Kids don't give a crap about shooting faces and cohpping of heads and arms if they're stormtroopers. You don't see their faces. They're just "bad guys." Watch a kid playing sometimes; they'll be killing people left and right. It's the parents who care about violence.
Shut up about Greedo. :D
What Lucas wanted changed were things like the scene with Jabba the Hutt. The only reason it wasn't in the original was because of time, money, and the suspicion that he was going to go broke long before we got to Return of the Jedi so nobody would care about Jabba. If you listen to the commentary on the DVD, you can hear him talk about how he really regretted leaving that scene out when he eventually got to Return of the Jedi.
Let someone else worry about it? Lucas stays involved in everything Star Wars; you'll notice that until recently he didn't even allow Star Wars gambling machines because he figured it would be immoral to lure people to gambling just because they're Star Wars fans (although now he has decided that the fans have grown up, ergo Star Wars slots). But I went off on a tangent; Lucas doesn't just let other people run off and do things. Rest assured he'll be working on these TV thingies as much as the Prequels.
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For better or for worse
They ruined the Star Wars of your youth? What, they destroyed your copy of it? Made it illegal? Wait, no. They digitally remastered it, adding in scenes that Lucas originally wanted, and then released it. They didn't force you to watch it. You can still watch the Star Wars of your youth, and it still rocks.
:D
Spoiling the Trilogy with awful prequels is also tough, since the only way they could affect the original Trilogy is if they somehow altered existing copies. Happily enough they don't, so if you truly hate the Prequels with a passion then you can just pretend they don't exist. Ta da! Suddenly Star Wars is perfect again! Wasn't that easy?
And if you're making a fuss about "animated cartoons" then you have obviously not seen The Clone Wars miniseries. It is evident as I watch it that everyone who worked on it loves Star Wars as much as I do. Down to the littlest detail it feels like Star Wars; the quality never lets up once, and I truly felt it was on par with the Original Trilogy. They are that good, and it's annoying to see people dismiss them because anything that's animated must automatically suck or something.
Star Wars is for kids. We all know that (hopefully). It's okay to like them, but they're not made for you. They're made for 8 and 10 year olds who go home and hit each other with sticks pretending to be Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker. Ask any of them, and they don't care about Lucas spoiling the Trilogy with awful Prequels. They just want to be Anakin Skywalker, podracing against Sebulba, or Mace Windu fighting Jango Fett. It's not as good as the Original Trilogy? So what. Go back and watch that. You've got like 3 versions to choose from now; if you can't find something you like, there's something wrong with you. Or you don't like Star Wars. But uh, those are pretty much the same
What, Star Wars is some trap Lucas fell into, which drew his life into a spiraling spiral (heh) of decay and torment, as each time he drew away Star Wars brought him back?
No thanks. Indiana Jones was Lucas' idea. He started Pixar, ILM, THX, led the way for special effects, worked on stuff like Radioland Murders or something, redid THX 1138 in a new edition, and has generally done what he wants to. Star Wars hasn't prevented him from doing anything, except maybe avoiding the verbal abuse of countless Slashdotters who feel offended because he somehow ruined their childhood.
Laser "warning?" I want more than a warning.
Laser Machine: Please correct your course. You are out of bounds.
Pilot: Screw you.
*BRZZAAAAAP*