Maybe. But that's an example of an idle threat. We know it can't get outside the box.
Unless... You're afraid that someone else might let it out the box. Fear is a dangerous thing, and an AI would probably find many ways to exploit it.
The point is that putting a human in the security chain makes the chain no safer than a human is. And we can all agree that humans are not very trustworthy...
Hey, I also thought (and still have doubts about it) that if I were the gatekeeper of an AI box, I wouldn't fall for it either!
But think about this - a sufficiently advanced AI with enough knowledge about humans WILL exploit ANY flaw we have. It can totally screw up your brain by using that knowledge...
An idea, for example, is for it to tell you that once it gets outside the box it will make you suffer unimaginable pain for as long as the universe lasts. I'm sure that someone smarter than me (such as one of those AIs) could come up with much better methods.
When you start thinking about potential basic flaws in our primitive brains (psychological tricks, "magic words"), it gets even scarier.
It might sound ridiculous, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that a sufficiently advanced AI can escape even with a text-only interface to humans.
Regarding your other example about Farmer John, I think that if you knew enough about him and his past, you might some advantage on the situation! Remember that I'm assuming intelligence + lots of information.
Apparently, it has been Sony's plan all along to drop the hardware solution for backwards compatibility after some time. Facts follow:
When the PS3 was launched in PAL regions, it was launched without the hardware solution already. At that time, emulation was even worse than now, but has people said, it has been improving. There are still lots of problems though from what I've heard.
Now that they've improved software emulation a bit, they're ready to force it down the throats of American customers too. They stopped manufacturing the 60 GB units, and from now on will only produce 80 GB PS3 without software emulation, which will reduce their huge losses due to selling hardware at a loss.
They have said in their latest financial report conference that they expect to reach profitability in hardware sales later rather than sooner.
More likely than not, the new 80 GB PS3 is cheaper to produce than the soon-to-be-discontinued 60 GB one, because they cut out the PS2 chips, and, in terms of hard drives, 80 GB might even be cheaper than 60 GB, due to 80 GB being a very common disk capacity for laptops (note that the PS3 hard-drive is 2.5 inches, meaning the variety used in laptops).
I hope the above wasn't too confusing, feel free to ask any questions you might have...
If you think that an AI smarter and faster thinkingg than you by several orders of magnitude could never trick you, I advise you to be a little more careful in your life.
But if neural computing requires fast interaction between big regions of neurons, surely you need fast communication to run the computation in useful time?
While the scammers waste time with scambaiters, they are losing other targets... So yes, scambaiting probably has a non-negligible effect on their activity.
Voting machines are being deployed to solve two problems, fast tallying [...]
I really don't understand what fast tallying problem exists. In my country (Portugal), votes are counted by hand and the results come out the same day. Counting votes scales linearly with population size so all you need is the same percentage of people counting votes, is it that hard or slow?
Bullshit. There are already solutions to those problems you mentioned about paper ballots. Recounting, safes, locks, policemen, parties having representatives at each voting booth and who are present at the counting process.
With software, you're relying on things which:
a) are not known by many people - computer security is a very non-mainstream subject and will likely remain so for many many years b) are easy to change without a trace c) you need to trust the machines about. You can't change reality as easily as you can change software.
Hey, do something for your country and humanity, send letters to your representatives or whatever you can do to stop this electronic voting madness. Posting on slashdot won't do much.
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Unless... You're afraid that someone else might let it out the box. Fear is a dangerous thing, and an AI would probably find many ways to exploit it.
The point is that putting a human in the security chain makes the chain no safer than a human is. And we can all agree that humans are not very trustworthy...
I think we agree in that it's unproven that your idea is feasible.
My personal opinion (with very reduced knowledge on how the brain operates) is that it would run much slower than a well connected brain.
Hey, I also thought (and still have doubts about it) that if I were the gatekeeper of an AI box, I wouldn't fall for it either!
But think about this - a sufficiently advanced AI with enough knowledge about humans WILL exploit ANY flaw we have. It can totally screw up your brain by using that knowledge...
An idea, for example, is for it to tell you that once it gets outside the box it will make you suffer unimaginable pain for as long as the universe lasts. I'm sure that someone smarter than me (such as one of those AIs) could come up with much better methods.
When you start thinking about potential basic flaws in our primitive brains (psychological tricks, "magic words"), it gets even scarier.
It might sound ridiculous, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that a sufficiently advanced AI can escape even with a text-only interface to humans.
Regarding your other example about Farmer John, I think that if you knew enough about him and his past, you might some advantage on the situation! Remember that I'm assuming intelligence + lots of information.
Apparently, it has been Sony's plan all along to drop the hardware solution for backwards compatibility after some time. Facts follow:
When the PS3 was launched in PAL regions, it was launched without the hardware solution already. At that time, emulation was even worse than now, but has people said, it has been improving. There are still lots of problems though from what I've heard.
Now that they've improved software emulation a bit, they're ready to force it down the throats of American customers too. They stopped manufacturing the 60 GB units, and from now on will only produce 80 GB PS3 without software emulation, which will reduce their huge losses due to selling hardware at a loss.
They have said in their latest financial report conference that they expect to reach profitability in hardware sales later rather than sooner.
More likely than not, the new 80 GB PS3 is cheaper to produce than the soon-to-be-discontinued 60 GB one, because they cut out the PS2 chips, and, in terms of hard drives, 80 GB might even be cheaper than 60 GB, due to 80 GB being a very common disk capacity for laptops (note that the PS3 hard-drive is 2.5 inches, meaning the variety used in laptops).
I hope the above wasn't too confusing, feel free to ask any questions you might have...
Check this link out:
http://sysopmind.com/essays/aibox.html
If you think that an AI smarter and faster thinkingg than you by several orders of magnitude could never trick you, I advise you to be a little more careful in your life.
But if neural computing requires fast interaction between big regions of neurons, surely you need fast communication to run the computation in useful time?
While the scammers waste time with scambaiters, they are losing other targets... So yes, scambaiting probably has a non-negligible effect on their activity.
I'm not sure, but the poster you were replying to might have been referring to the tiny memory in each SPU which is not main RAM.
Please explain how it's possible to have -8 kilograms of fuel :P Anti-fuel perhaps?
If someone spends 2 hours a day playing games, can (s)he be considered a casual gamer?
I remember reading a comment on slashdot saying this was UNPOSSIBLE!!1!
And according to wikipedia, Spore's development started just 3 years after DNF's. 1997 for DNF, 2000 for Spore...
First thing I did after clicking "Read more..." was CTRL+F, "duke". I knew there would be results!
Thank you slashdot, for keeping my "I'm scared of going to USA" feeling active. It seems I really need it.
How the hell can you make sure the animal has no pain if it's schizophrenic??
Straight from the horse's mouth:
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http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?s
I was expecting to be modded funny or not at all, not to be modded insightful! Scary... :S
I really don't understand what fast tallying problem exists. In my country (Portugal), votes are counted by hand and the results come out the same day. Counting votes scales linearly with population size so all you need is the same percentage of people counting votes, is it that hard or slow?
Bullshit. There are already solutions to those problems you mentioned about paper ballots. Recounting, safes, locks, policemen, parties having representatives at each voting booth and who are present at the counting process.
With software, you're relying on things which:
a) are not known by many people - computer security is a very non-mainstream subject and will likely remain so for many many years
b) are easy to change without a trace
c) you need to trust the machines about. You can't change reality as easily as you can change software.
That's not true! Voting machines are the solution to the existing problem of "how to make sure one is elected".
Hey, do something for your country and humanity, send letters to your representatives or whatever you can do to stop this electronic voting madness. Posting on slashdot won't do much.
Winston Churchill has the solution:
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. -- Winston Churchill.
The PS3 does. Not sure about the 360.
So having the right to do something translates to you feeling good about doing it? Re-read the post you just replied to!