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GTA IV Delayed Into Next Year

Posted by Zonk on from the grand-delayed-auto dept.

1up has the news that Take Two is moving Grand Theft Auto IV's release out to Spring 2008. Sam Houser (the executive producer for Rockstar Games) says that the demands of creating games for the new consoles, along with the scope of the game, forced their hand to maintain the quality they wanted. "'With Grand Theft Auto IV, Rockstar is setting a new standard for next generation video games,' stated Strauss Zelnick, Chairman of Take-Two. 'Certain elements of development proved to be more time-intensive than expected, especially given the commitment for a simultaneous release on two very different platforms. We all recognize that perfecting the game is vital and I can assure everyone it will be worth the wait.'"

138 comments

  1. Aww. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sandbox sidelined.

  2. Oh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "'With Grand Theft Auto IV, Rockstar is setting a new standard for next generation video games,' stated Strauss Zelnick, Chairman of Take-Two. 'Certain elements
    of development proved to be more time-intensive than expected, especially given the commitment for a simultaneous release on two very different platforms. We all
    recognize that perfecting the game is vital and I can assure everyone it will be worth the wait.'"
    .....So do we all agree the delay is for Hot Coffee v2?
  3. Wow! by brkello · · Score: 2, Informative

    We just got the trifecta of games being delayed articles on Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Wow! by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      Shhh, don't jinx it! You'll make it worse! :O

    2. Re:Wow! by spocksbrain · · Score: 1

      ...and so cometh forth a collective pouting lower lip from 12-year-olds worldwide.

  4. Re:damn by Ax+of+Ganto · · Score: 1

    Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe HDTV prices will go down too.

  5. duh? by HaymarketRiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this surprising when all they had to show at E3 was a dude driving down a street?

  6. The delay sucks but there are plenty of other game by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've played just about every other GTA game and was looking forward to the next installment. Having said that, if they've got serious issues (and putting it back 6 months says they do), then I'd rather they fix those issues rather than release a piece of crap on the market.

    It sucks if you're a Take Two share holder though. Take Two & Rockstar would give Imagine a run for their money for fiscal mismanagement, broken promises and delays.

  7. I wonder how this will affect Sony by aywwts4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The PS3 is in desperate need of a blockbuster at the moment, Microsoft has Halo, Nintendo has Mario, and PS3 (while not a Sony creation) has GTA. Without Grand Theft Auto what killer blockbuster games do they have this X-mas? (I'm not talking "It's a good game with high review scores" I'm talking Buy the system, Pre-order the game, Million Seller right away kind of games)

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    1. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, give the fanboy crap a rest:

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/

      The PS3 is outselling the 360 2-1 worldwide right now. The PS3 just sold 40k units last week alone in Japan.

      Warhawk
      Lair
      Uncharted
      Little Big Planet
      GT Prologue
      SOCOM
      Ratchet and Clank
      Heavenly Sword

      You can stop posting in this thread. You're done.

    2. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      I forgot about little big planet, that one will probably sell quite a few consoles if it gets marketed properly because it hits a different demographic well, Hell, its the game that makes me want to get a ps3.

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    3. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Wow, every time you post that list it gets a little smaller.

    4. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by tlh1005 · · Score: 1

      Yes, smaler, but some how a bit sh1ttier.

    5. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lair
      Heavenly Sword
      Ratchet and Clank Future
      Call of Duty 4 (cross platform)
      Warhawk
      Home (not exactly a game)
      SingStar (will sell in Europe)
      Assassin's Creed (cross platform)
      Haze
      Half Life 2 Orange Box (cross platform)
      Rock Band (cross platform)
      Guitar Hero 3 (cross platform)
      Unreal Tournament 3
      Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
      Devil May Cry 4 (cross platform ?)
      and some sports games

      that's a pretty good list of highlights. Some will probably end up being delayed.

    6. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Dr+Kool,+PhD · · Score: 0, Interesting

      MICROSOFT was the company that paid big $$$ for exclusive content in GTA4. Now that exclusive content is DELAYED. So the question should be "How will this affect Microsoft".

      Sony has a HUGE library of AAA exclusives coming out in the next 1-6 months so they will be fine.

    7. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      Also, looking up some of the sales statistics for the game franchises you listed, None were really "Console Sellers" They sold well, and were by no means failures, But for example, no Rachet and Clank game has sold 3 million copies. Thats not a console seller, thats a solid game.

      Console Sellers like Mario, Halo, or GTA, which sold 11, 8, and 12 Million respectively are in a class of their own.

      The games you listed compare more to things like Paper Mario and Crackdown. Good high selling games that are fun to play on a system, but they don't move units.

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    8. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So lets cut that down to exclusives:

      Lair
      Heavenly Sword
      Ratchet and Clank Future
      Warhawk
      Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

      I have to say, I find this list more than a little underwhelming. Having played Heavenly Sword and Warhawk I would only consider purchasing two items on that list (being Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted). Sorry, but I really don't see this list moving a lot of units.

    9. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Gran Turismo 5.

    10. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Because no one buys a console to play non-exclusive games?

      Someone who wants to buy Call of Duty 4 is going to need a console. They have 2 console choices. They need to decide what else they want to play, how much they want to pay, and whether they want to risk red-ring-of-death issues.

    11. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I didn't forget it. It didn't say it would be released in 2007. The guy was asking about games before X-mas. After X-mas there are lots of cool games too:

      Grand Turismo
      Killzone 2
      Metal Gear Solid 4
      LittleBigPlanet

      Many more. But all 4 of those should be huge.

    12. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by powerlord · · Score: 0

      Having played the Heavenly Sword demo, and been part of the Warhawk Beta test group, I think you're wrong.

      They may not be games you're aiming for, but I thought they were great and will definitely move units once people see them.

      Lair has the potential to move units based on the dragons meme (people just like dragons), Ratchet and Clank is safe in Insomniac's hands, and Uncharted does look cool.

      We'll have to wait and see. Oh... you forgot to mention Home on that list of exclusives. Yeah, its not a game, but it is exclusive, and it does have the potential to help move units considering that on-line experience was one of the things MS had over Sony.

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    13. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      Yes people buy non-exclusives, but sadly most "normal" people wont hear about red-ring issues, so that wont really be a factor, the only real factor this xmas is which of the two is cheaper, So we will see how that price war goes down.

      Though on this issue of Call of Duty, that wont really sell many consoles, just look at COD3 for 360, 1.6 million copies sold, that really wont move consoles. http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=2966

      Assassin's Creed and GTA are the only cross platform games that look like they could sell more than 10 million with ease at the moment.

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    14. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by J-Doggqx · · Score: 1

      "I'm talking Buy the system, Pre-order the game, Million Seller right away kind of games"

      Was that ever GTA4? Granted it was certainly the case for GTA3 for the PS2, but that was an exclusive release (originally) while GTA4 is going with a multi platform release. Maybe it would move some PS3s, but I think the 360 version will sell more copies of the game due to the larger install base, lower console price, and upcoming additional exclusive content. If anything this would have helped Microsoft sell consoles this Christmas more than it would have helped Sony.

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    15. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Is that true that you need a console for CoD4? I thought the even releases were supposed to be for pc/console and the odds were going to be reserved for consoles.

    16. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by somersault · · Score: 1

      What's happening with Gran Turismo these days? Racing games are one of the few types of game that I enjoy more on a console - anything else and it's mouse & keyboard FTW!

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    17. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      COD3 was Yet Another WWII shooter.

      COD4: Modern Warfare was Best Action Game at Mini E3 this year. It looks absolutely amazing.

    18. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      It comes out for PC too. But it should still sell consoles.

    19. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Also, even God of War only sold 2.8 million according to your VGChartz. Not 10 million. Are you trying to tell me a God of War 3 for PS3 wouldn't sell consoles if it came out in November? (It isn't coming out in November.)

    20. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 3, Informative

      Delayed due to feature-creep. Looks awesome. Photo-realistic. Not the stupid marketing version of photo-realistic you've heard of so many times. Photo-realistic.

      GT Prologue is supposed to come out in early 2008.

    21. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by enderjsv · · Score: 1

      See, I have to really disagree with this one. Sure, Microsoft has exclusive content, but I don't know that it really matters. First, Microsoft already has a recognizable killer App coming out at the end of September. Grand Theft Auto, as another killer app, would probably be competing with Halo more than complimenting it. And face it, when people say Grand Theft Auto, they think PlayStation. The two were so connected for so long that anyone thinking of playing Grand Theft Auto without a console to support it would probably go instinctively to the PlayStation. But more importantly then all this is the long term. If Microsoft manages to gain a greater install base during this upcoming holiday season, then that will simply convince more people to buy GTA for the Xbox360 with its exclusive content, instead of the PlayStation version when GTA4 eventually does come out. Ironically, I see this delay as being very beneficial to Microsoft.

    22. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey mate, no offense, but he said "system sellers".

      None of those will shift systems - a system seller is something like Nintendogs was for the DS - it sold 15 million copies, not something like Lair that will be incredibly lucky if it even gets to a million.

      I'm still just a gamecube owner, but this xmas, 360s sales are going to be huge on the back of Halo 3, and Wii sales will be the same on Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Galaxy.

      Sony are going to be struggling to do well over xmas without any such "system sellers". You may be excited by those games, but the general public is just going to go "meh" and stay away from the PS3.

    23. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Khaed · · Score: 1

      MICROSOFT was the company that paid big $$$ for exclusive content in GTA4.

      Please cite.

      Now that exclusive content is DELAYED. So the question should be "How will this affect Microsoft".

      Except when the game comes out, MS and Sony will still be where they were before. The difference is that Sony will go another holiday season at a disadvantage, according to the OP.

      Sony has a HUGE library of AAA exclusives coming out in the next 1-6 months so they will be fine.

      Yes, we know. You tell us in every single thread. But they do not have BioShock (I know, there is PC version, some of us don't run Windows or want to upgrade a perfectly capable graphics card/RAM/etc which will all cost more than a 360 anyway), Mass Effect, Halo 3 (I know, the Sony troll response is IT LOOKS LAST GEN, save your keystrokes -- the game will still sell), Overlord (yes, a PC version, see earlier), Too Human -- except for Halo 3, all games I'm more interested in than Motorstorm and sports games. Also, they lost a few exclusives (if I recall correctly, Assassin's Creed was going to be), and Call of Duty: Airborne comes out for the 360 two months before the PS3 version -- and this is the first CoD game I've even been remotely interested in. See, I can list games, too.

      The only exclusive Sony really has that interests me is Resistance: Fall of Man. And not enough to fork out $499 (or $599, or $399) plus the cost of the game. They may lose FF13, they lost launch exclusivity of GTA4 (which they had for VC and SA). I guess "they will be fine" means "they'll remain in third place."

    24. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by king-manic · · Score: 1

      VGchartz doesn't have any info from several major retailers. So it's number give you trends but not true volume.

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    25. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by king-manic · · Score: 1

      Yes, we know. You tell us in every single thread. But they do not have BioShock (I know, there is PC version, some of us don't run Windows or want to upgrade a perfectly capable graphics card/RAM/etc which will all cost more than a 360 anyway), Mass Effect, Halo 3 (I know, the Sony troll response is IT LOOKS LAST GEN, save your keystrokes -- the game will still sell), Overlord (yes, a PC version, see earlier), Too Human -- except for Halo 3, all games I'm more interested in than Motorstorm and sports games. Also, they lost a few exclusives (if I recall correctly, Assassin's Creed was going to be), and Call of Duty: Airborne comes out for the 360 two months before the PS3 version -- and this is the first CoD game I've even been remotely interested in. See, I can list games, too.

      The only exclusive Sony really has that interests me is Resistance: Fall of Man. And not enough to fork out $499 (or $599, or $399) plus the cost of the game. They may lose FF13, they lost launch exclusivity of GTA4 (which they had for VC and SA). I guess "they will be fine" means "they'll remain in third place."

      FF13 itself is denied to be multi platform. They mean the "franchise" of FF13 will be multi platform. The main game is still PS3 exclusive.

      For me personally the only one that temps me is Mass effect. I know a lot of the art dept and some of the programmers and want to support them but I am not a 360 gamer. I'm not really in non PC FPS's, sports games, etc.. And I got a PS3 so I'm hoping for a PC port. BioShock looks sort of interesting but I keep getting the impression of Oblivion with guns. I don't know why. I didn't really like oblivion.

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    26. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I can't understand the appeal of driving games that don't involve cartoon physics. Driving puts me to sleep. Incidentally, I nearly die every time I drive on the highway.

    27. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by tb()ne · · Score: 1

      MICROSOFT was the company that paid big $$$ for exclusive content in GTA4.
      Please cite.

      How about here, here, or directly from Take-Two.

    28. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Sony is very much desperate, but Sony also has Metal Gear Solid, Dragon Warrior, Devil May Cry, and Final Fantasy. I guess Devil May Cry is also getting a 360 release, and there are rumors Metal Gear might do the same, but I doubt it. Sony will do anything to placate those guys and keep Metal Gear as a PS3 exclusive, even if initially. Just as Metal Gear EVENTUALLY made it to the XBox, I'm sure MGS4 will be on the PS3 first, and get an XBox 360 port a year later.

      Final Fantasy XIII is a ways off, but isn't it going to be like three separate games at once?

      I'm probably going to buy a PS3 for Christmas and I certainly understand there aren't a whole lot of must-own exclusives on the PS3, but I'm not sweating it. The PS3 will be my BluRay player, I'll install Linux on it for fun, I can't wait until it gets hacked so it can be my emulator machine and replace my XBox. And, I'll be very content to play all the multi-platform titles on it. That is part of the reason I caved in and got the XBox. I wasn't interested in the XBox exclusives. The PS2 had all the best exclusives in my opinion, but the multiplatform titles (of which there are plenty) looked the best on the XBox due to superior hardware.

      I'm still hoping that next year (hopefully) we'll finally get a proper next-gen upgrade to the Madden/NCAA games that really push the limits of the systems. Anyone remember the demo images they created with the crisp blades of grass/turf and snowflakes? EA said they believed the next-gen systems were capable of that, but we're basically using the same graphical engine largely that they've been using for over 10 years. From the PS1 to the PS2 there was this MAMMOTH jump up, and I keep assuming we might get another one.

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    29. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I've seen this claim before but NEVER any links to back it up.

    30. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 1

      Devil May Cry 4 is Multiplatform. Haze is multi-platform with PS3 having an exclusivity period of currently unknown length, and Unreal Tournament 3 is multi-platform PC and PS3 in November and 360 some time in 2008.

      PS3 does have a strong lineup going into Christmas, but take out the multi-platform titles and the 360's lineup is undoubtedly stronger. PS3 needs a Halo or a Mass Effect or something which, rather than being a game you rush out to buy if you have a PS3, is a game you rush out to buy a PS3 to play. The games which will have that impact (MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, and probably a few others) won't be around until next year. It's entirely possible that Uncharted may be one of these big system-sellers, but to be honest we've seen so little of it at this point that they've got a long way to go to get interest in it to that level.

      Hopefully Sony are smart enough that they handle the Christmas rush so that they manage to push a lot of units out regardless. Otherwise Microsoft is going to get so much of a lead up that the PS3 will be physically unable to catch up. That would be bad for the whole market. Competition is a good thing.

    31. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by DrXym · · Score: 1

      The Warhawk beta testers are RAVING about that game so if you consider it underwhelming you are in a minority. I have no idea what Heavenly Sword will be like except from the preview footage, it looks impressive though and will probably be a strong seller, even shifting systems.

    32. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by DrXym · · Score: 1

      GT Prologue is coming for Christmas. Personally I hate racing / car simulation games but the GT5 series looks very, very impressive.

    33. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I would love if LittleBigPlanet is out for Christmas. The game is stunning to look at and the potential is obvious. They were talking open beta this year which I hope means everyone has a chance to play without registering. That game alone is going to generate a huge amount of interest in the PS3.

    34. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by somersault · · Score: 1

      I much prefer the more realistic games. Some people enjoy it, some don't.. in fact I think F1 is extremely boring.. but I like real driving, realistic computer game driving (because you can drive all manner of cars, and you can drive like a lunatic without risking danger to yourself or others), and I like watching Touring Cars type racing. 'Cartoon physics' type games just make me think the programmers didn't want to put effort in (think Ridge Racer, not stuff like Mario Kart or Crash Team Racing, which are awesome :) ) - having a physics model where you can drift in what feels like a locked in to the road line at 200mph is just asking for people to develop bad driving habits.

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    35. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      but Sony also has [..] Dragon Warrior

      If by Dragon Warrior you mean Dragon Quest I'll have to disappoint you, Dragon Quest 9 is a DS exclusive, all the PS3 might get is a spinoff like the Wii did.

      Final Fantasy XIII is a ways off, but isn't it going to be like three separate games at once?

      I think it's more than three but scattered across several platforms (including cellphones).

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    36. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by walnutmon · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ. Those screens are pretty rediculous.

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    37. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by LKM · · Score: 1

      If those games are supposed to move lots of consoles, Sony is in worse shape than I thought. What they need is an exclusive GTA, an exclusive FF, and something like Sing Star, but marketed worldwide instead of only in Europe.

    38. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by LKM · · Score: 1

      Having played the Heavenly Sword demo, and been part of the Warhawk Beta test group, I think you're wrong.

      I haven't played the Warhawk Beta, so I can't comment on that, other than pointing out that it's online-only and thus limited in mass appeal by definition. But I've played Heavenly Sword. The game looks like it's coming along nicely (although the demo doesn't show too much), but frankly, I doubt it has the mass appeal of a Tomb Raider, or even of a God of War.

      They may not be games you're aiming for, but I thought they were great and will definitely move units once people see them.

      Yeah, both games will shift PS3s, but how many of them? Sony need system sellers of the calibre of the original Tomb Raider, or a FF game, or an exclusive GTA, and Sony doesn't have them.

      Lair has the potential to move units based on the dragons meme (people just like dragons), Ratchet and Clank is safe in Insomniac's hands, and Uncharted does look cool.

      Yeah, but none of these will sell millions of consoles, not even combined.

      If anything, Sony should push games like Little Big Planet and a new Sing Star. Those two games might get mass media coverage, drive adoption of the PS3, and turn casual, adult gamers towards the PS3.

    39. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Harlockjds · · Score: 1

      >Half Life 2 Orange Box (cross platform)

      last I heard the PS3 version was delayed till 2008... however the pc and 360 version are coming out in the fall.

      and what i've seen and heard of lair it's hardly a highlight, most of those unique ps3 highlights are questionable.

    40. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 1

      Lair
      LittleBigPlanet
      Unreal Tournement
      Haze
      Drakes Fortune
      Warhawk

      There are the ones reeled off my head, there are plenty into 2008, like MGS4, Final Fantasy, Killzone 2 and soforth.

    41. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Rycross · · Score: 1

      You forgot LittleBigWorld. Shame!

    42. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by Kohath · · Score: 1

      No I didn't. It's not definitely scheduled for a 2007 release. I was replying to a post talking about games release before X-mas.

    43. Re:I wonder how this will affect Sony by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Oh God... Don't remind me. I hated the physics (or lack thereof) in Ridge Racer. Any impact involved you stopping and the AI not even slowing down, even if the impact was on your rear end. That and you could slide sideways almost indefinitely without losing speed. What were they thinking?

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  8. Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Rockstar was praying for not having to deal with DVD again before the new consoles were released and Microsoft ended up making a console with only 7GB of space for developers compared to 8GB or so for a normal dual layer DVD.

    And Rockstar has been publicly complaining about being forced to try to fit a free roaming city sized world into a smaller amount of space than last gen. And what is worse is the 360 doesn't even have a standard harddrive to rely on for developers.

    You have to have a huge amount of sympathy for the Rockstar developers who are having to deal with the 360. A delay was inevitable and understandable given the huge problems supporting the 360 is for developers.

    Just think what it would be like if the next version of Id or Valve's game was forced to fit on a standard CD ROM disc with no harddrive installation...Sigh...

    1. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by AuMatar · · Score: 0, Troll

      Exactly how much is Sony paying you to spam this in threads? The PS3 is an overpriced piece of fail. Get over it.

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    2. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by DrXym · · Score: 0

      While the DVD-9 in the 360 is woefully inadequate for next gen titles of this calibre, Rockstar have not said the reasons for the delay and the reason may be something totally unrelated.

    3. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Whyte+Panther · · Score: 1

      If that was the case, then only the 360 version would have been delayed. Unless you think it's Microsof deep pockets that are forcing a simultaneous release, which I doubt. But the hard drive is far more of a necessity on the PS3 due to the slower load times.

    4. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > But the hard drive is far more of a necessity on the PS3 due to the slower load times.

      Yes, that is why multiplatform PS3 games have faster loading times like Oblivion, Dirt, ...

      You lose Xbot. And so is your shitty Dreamcast 360.

    5. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Whyte+Panther · · Score: 1

      And how many GB of your hard drive did you have to sacrifice to get those loading times? I've heard of 7 minute install proceedures on certain PS3 games. Inexcusable. That said, I will readily admit that I do not at this point own a PS3, and it has nothing to do with any perceived technical differences or limitations, it's the library. But the slower drive speed of the PS3 is commonly mentioned on /. and other sites, so that is where my assumption comes from. In short: PS3 may load fast because it uses the Hard Drive as a cache, big time. The 360 can't guarantee that, but can stream data off the disc faster than the PS3 can stream data of it's discs.

    6. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      Hey now!

      The Dreamcast was one of the greatest, fun consoles created, in its brief run it boasts more solid fun games than most consoles ever get in their first two years.

      Don't start using the Dreamcast as fodder for your console war, May the departed rest in piece
      (and regardless, if you really need to say these things why not compare it to a truly bad console like the Saturn or the 3D0)

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    7. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      PS3 is an overpriced piece of fail. That doesn't mean that MS didn't make some big mistakes (#1 being HDD is not standard) too.

    8. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Don't disagree. I'm just tired of this exact post being copy pasted in every article.

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    9. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Khaed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When Nintendo used a crap format (N64 carts) they lost developers. We're talking about Nintendo here, an established presence at the time -- the NES and SNES had dominated their competition. Microsoft has sold a total of around 30 million consoles -- 20M X-Box, 10M 360s. Rounded, because I'm lazy and that's close enough. the N64 sold around that number. In addition, Nintendo actually did well in Japan, something Microsoft does not.

      If MS's decision was actually hampering developers, they'd leave.

      So take your whining somewhere the fuck else because it doesn't fit in with REALITY. Last gen, Sony had launch exclusivity for GTA:VC and GTA:SA. They lost that this generation. If anything, signs point to Sony pissing off Rockstar, not Microsoft. You never even back up things like:

      And Rockstar has been publicly complaining about being forced to try to fit a free roaming city sized world into a smaller amount of space than last gen.

      Where? I have no seen such a complaint -- and you'd think someone who hates MS enough to troll EVERY SINGLE GAMES POST might have a goddamn link handy for this. And don't tell me "MS is paying developers" unless you have a link for it. I love how everything MS does is shady or being paid for, but Sony is just this great consumer friendly corporation. I don't know what fairy tale land you live in, but in the world I live in, both companies fucking suck when it comes to the way they treat customers.

      (/rant off)

    10. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTA was never exclusive you fucking piece of shit fanboy.

      Last gen GTA was on PS2,PC, and Xbox.
      This gen GTA is on PS3,PC, and the crappy and gimped 360.

      You can now fuck off dipshit.

    11. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I said LAUNCH EXCLUSIVE you mental midget.

      Take a reading comprehension class with your Sony shill money, asshole.

      (For the record, last gen, I owned a PS2, and do not own either version of the X-Box.)

    12. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where? I have no seen such a complaint http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1601 9
      http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-ha ndle-all-of-gta-iv/
      http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/xbox360/game/news/art icle.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=2007071313505875 8098&releaseId=2006030811812750059

      Did ya look?
    13. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet again, I find myself asking the same question:

      CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY PROOF THAT THE XBOX 360 LIMITS GAMES TO 7GB?

      Every article that lists tech specs for the Xbox 360 describes its DVD-ROM drive as being a standard 12X DVD-ROM drive. That gives it a disc size of 9GB per disk.

      You're either confused or purposely trolling. Given all the Sony astroturfers on this site, I know which one I'd bet on.

    14. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to your classroom kid, you've still got some English lessons that need completing.

    15. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then WHY are they bothering?

      Developers left Nintendo in droves for choosing bad formats.

    16. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Panzergheist · · Score: 1

      Nintendo charged enormous royalties for using their cartridge formats.

      DVD-9, though limiting compared to newer formats, is still cheaper to create games on than using a higher capacity format like Blu-ray or HD-DVD. This was not the case with the N64 vs. PS1. Not only did you have a larger capacity medium with CD vs. carts, but it also cost a lot less for developers to go with CD.

      If it had been cheaper to stay with carts vs CD back when N64 came out, you would not have seen developers jumping ship anywhere near as quickly.

    17. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I haven't noticed any game of mine on the PS3 that has loading problems. This is not surprising as the BD drive has a consistent data throughput which is frequently in excess of the variable throughput of the 360's DVD drive. I expect load times are similar as makes no difference. And no most games do not cache either but even if they did, good for them - the PS3 always has an HDD so why not take advantage of it.

    18. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by DrXym · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      The usable space is only 7Gb. This is wholly inadequate for many next gen games when 5.1 surround sound, HD FMV and even textures & polygons are going to take 4-10x the space of last gen yet the disk is only 2x larger than last gen. And localized content is totally out of the question too.

      Most filler games will probably still fit but there is going to be serious headaches for the "epic" titles to fit in that space. Only last week the PGR4 devs said they canned day / night options on their tracks since they didn't have the space to fit to pre-render the track data at the different lighting levels. While the GTA devs haven't said what their problem is, I would not be surprised if space was a major, major issue for them on the 360.

    19. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you stop posting anon I'll believe you aren't a Sony employee. OK maybe I just wont suspect it quite as much, also get your facts straight, exaggerating deficiency's makes you sound childish and yet corporate at the same time... could this be the link?

    20. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What idiot modded this up? He just restated what the original AC stated and didn't provide any links to anything that would corroborate that! Repeating what someone else says is not authorative!

      So far, I've found two sources that back up this story: a two year old Digg article from before the Xbox 360 was actually launched, and the Wikipedia. The Wikipedia article references, yet again, an article from before the Xbox 360 actually launched.

      Everything that's current indicates that the Xbox 360 uses a standard 12X DVD-ROM drive. There's no mention about any restrictions on usable space.

      This 7GB meme seems to be simple anti-Microsoft bashing with no foundation in reality.

    21. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Floritard · · Score: 1

      here is such a complaint, straight from the mouth of Sam Houser. I used to think this disc space issue was a silly argument, but then I think of how pathetic the gamecube was when it came to cross-platform games with video (Kelly Slater looked like it had video encoded in Realmedia). I still think procedurally generated textures will save a ton of space in future games, and the choice to include blu-ray inflated the cost of the PS3 to a level that hurts its adoption a great deal. That said, look at each successive generation of video games and you'll see a pattern of exponentially greater storage requirements. Atari games were only a few kilobytes, Nintendo cartridges were a few hundred kilobytes, SNES/Genesis were a few megs, N64 cartridges were 4-64 megs and saturn/ps1 were hundreds of megs (CD-sized), PS2/XBox were CD/DVD and up to ~7 gigs (the gamecube was a less successful and somewhat niche system which used a low-storage proprietary media format that may have indeed hurt them in that generation). In fact, with the exception of the few PS2 games that were CD-based, I think Microsoft is the first company to stay with the same media format (and all its limitations) on a consecutive generation of hardware and it's really one of the reasons I don't think of the 360 as next-gen, maybe half-next (and no i'm not a PS3 fanboy, I'm too poor). I'm not sure if this will hurt Microsoft in the long run or the overall quality of cross-platform games that have to aim for a more common denominator storage requirement. However, It's certainly not something to be dismissed.

    22. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by Farakin · · Score: 1

      Actually they didn't say that, Sony did, and PGR4 Devs came out immediately to argue this. They chose to do it to give a broader depth of weather changes and reality, not because they ran out of space. The link eludes me right, now since I am at work, but I think it was on qj.net.

    23. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Actually the PGR devs said the DVD wasn't enough for their plans IN THEIR OWN FORUM - "You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD. So we've worked around the problem by providing different lighting models per city. For example, Macau is always in the daytime, but if you play it during a storm everything looks darker and more foreboding. If you play during a blizzard then things are slightly tinged blue and everything seems more frozen. Of course, playing this track in sunshine will make everything appear bright and yellowy." This is an an unambiguous and obvious statement of the limitations of DVD-9.

      Game developers are clearly feeling the pinch with DVD-9 and this is no surprise considering the size is increasingly inadequate.

    24. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by DrXym · · Score: 1
      This 7GB meme seems to be simple anti-Microsoft bashing with no foundation in reality.

      Really? Here are some leaked specs of the 360. But feel free to disagree. Here is one way to prove otherwise - find a torrent site hosting 360 games and locate a torrent containing an uncompressed iso that exceeds 7gb. I suggest Blue Dragon since that spans 3 discs making it fairly likely that disks 1 & 2 are close to full and therefore indicative of the maximum capacity.

    25. Re:Thank You 360's Crappy 7GB DVD Drive! by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      Oh, Oblivion? That game where the developers had to put the data on the disc twice, 'cause Blu-Ray's seek times are so damn shitty?

      Nice try there, skippy. Try getting in touch with reality next time.

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  9. Re:damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another AAA for sony, down the drain.

  10. No marketing emails about this one eh? by necro2607 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmm, no marketing emails from Take-Two about this one, eh?

    Yeah, this is a jab at Take-Two for repeatedly sending marketing emails out about a release date for a trailer for GTA IV. No, not a release date for the game, just a release date for a short trailer that shows very little if anything about the game.

    I thought it was a bit excessive for them to email multiple times about a trailer. I can see emailing once, but I got a number of emails about the same thing. Wow, big deal guys. I would have been more interested in the later emails if they were going to be showing something of substance in the trailers, but they just showed some typical cutscene-style stuff. Blah, sure I'm burning karma with this post but I found it a bit frustrating to get constantly teased about a game (no, not even the game, a TRAILER for the game) and shown almost nothing. Now the game is delayed but of course I didn't receive that in my email inbox, did I? ...

  11. Re:damn by FreyarHunter · · Score: 2

    I'm sure there's going to be a LOT of hate-messages about this, but to be honest, I don't have a problem with them delaying it to make sure they get it right. Although, the irony is that I did pre-order this game less than four days ago with the expectation of it being released in October. The bad part of this whole thing is that GTA IV will now miss the holiday season! DOH!

    We can only hope that this move will not make Microsoft think they can get away with releasing certain other anticipated titles early without ironing out the details in order to get better sales than GTA.

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  12. It WILL be worth the wait by sethmeisterg · · Score: 1

    It takes a lot of cojones to stand up and say they're slipping the release for quality. I had a ton of respect for them. I know it'll be worth the wait!

    1. Re:It WILL be worth the wait by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it takes "cojones" to stand up and say why they're really slipping the release. "For Quality" is the default cop-out.

    2. Re:It WILL be worth the wait by Doc+Lazarus · · Score: 1

      Well, saying 'Sony is being a big baby about the exclusive content' might be a bit too bridge-burning...

  13. How much do you want to bet... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

    ...that the delay is caused not by the multi-platform crap, but by the sudden need to go back and edit the content to fit the new "M" rating standards? They wouldn't want their blockbuster title to be rated "AO"....

    1. Re:How much do you want to bet... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't want their blockbuster title to be rated "AO"....

      If they want to maintain their adult audience, it should be rated "M". Part of what sets GTA apart from other great games is that it has a grown-up storyline (as opposed to silly Japanese stuff). I certainly wouldn't be interested in playing a "PG" version of GTA. That would be lame. What would the missions be? "We want you to go tell Mr. Koomba that he's a 'poopy-head'"? C'mon...

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    2. Re:How much do you want to bet... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      I think you're confused... AO is "more adult" than M, not less.... AO means "Not available for sale anywhere".

    3. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you can blame all of that on Sony for fucking up GTA exclusivity when it was about to be handed to them on a platter.

    4. Re:How much do you want to bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it could be possible Rockstar is HATING working with vector processors and an inferior graphics card that can't do near the poly count of the 360's. PS. I dont care about which console sucks more, I have a Wii. But blaming one console when BOTH have weaknesses is like fucking a dog, you look stupid and its just sad.

  14. More buyers by nlitement · · Score: 1

    Consoles will get cheaper by then, well, at least X360 should. Also, a slightly larger user base will be available than there is right now, which means more sales, and Microsoft's exclusive episode packs (two of them) were announced for 2008. This should definitely boost sales and also give people time to save money on a console. Really, not a bad move if you're a patient fan.

  15. Badly! by tlh1005 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Unless Take Two uses the extra time to pull a rabbit out of their hat and deliver some extensive, exclusive feature(s) for the PS3 version. If the impending discount is true for the already cheaper 360, add the release of Halo 3 in and call it a much better Christmas for MS and a lump of coal for Sony.

  16. GTAIV Looks Like Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So far what we've seen of GTAIV looks like crap.

    The environments are nowhere near next gen levels.
    The art and characters are dreadfully drab compared to previous games.
    Early previews of the game say it is a mess huge framerate problems, horrendous pop-in for geometry, and so on.

    I have a hard time believing that this will be anything but the least popular GTA in the series. You really have to wonder if something major has gone wrong at Rockstar with key people leaving or other internal staffing or management problems.

    1. Re:GTAIV Looks Like Crap by Monkeys!!! · · Score: 1

      Good thing they now have 'till next year to work on it then.

    2. Re:GTAIV Looks Like Crap by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Looks like crap? Please,................ that series is about the gameplay ANYHOW plus it looks good.

      As for frame rates, do you even know how console development works? Target graphics first, frame rate second.

      For the betterment of the internets, stop posting.

    3. Re:GTAIV Looks Like Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As for frame rates, do you even know how console development works? Target graphics first, frame rate second."

      Oh if you actually knew who you were trying to lecture fanboy.

    4. Re:GTAIV Looks Like Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he is correct. You dont design your graphics to run smoothly, then increase quality until you start to see a drop... You go max, then downsample to hit desired rates. This is why the Sony fanboys sound like morons when they think a game is delayed because of some notion about inferior graphics cards. Neither system can handle 1080p output with max texture quality and all the filtering maxed out... hence BOTH systems require tweaking for framerates. I didn't mean to target Sony fanboys here specifically, because there are a fair amount of MS fanboys here too, although they seem to be a little less... "copy/paste response with half truths and errors." One noticeable one is the "7gig usable space" copy/paste job one guy is doing. I went to my buddies tonight actually to check his 360 myself and he had 11gigs free on his 20gig drive and he had plenty of music on there. Oh sorry, another jab at sony fanboys, ummm 360fanboys MS fucked up with DVD9, deal with it! haha sorry.

    5. Re:GTAIV Looks Like Crap by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Dude, don't you read the numerous press previews of the game? Well I for one follow them eagerly, and while early Xbox 360 demoes of the game had quite a bad FPS (just look at the second trailer, that's pretty bad), as journalists see more recent builds of the game they report ever increasing framerates. The GP is right, and every game developer (even homebrew, just like me) knows that optimization comes after you got stuff doing what was intended, regardless of the performance.

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  17. Grim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The story so far: no GTA, no Manhunt. So Rockstar's big releases for 2007 are going to be Wii Table Tennis, that one American Football game, and reconstituted Bully. Wii Pong better sell like hotcakes, or it looks like another money-losing year for Take-Two.

  18. hot coffee, lies and video games by captain_cthulhu · · Score: 1

    I remember at E3 when Peter Moore described a "perfect storm" of gaming on the 360 - the perfect storm consisted of Madden 2007, Halo3 and GTA4. He said it was going to draw record-breaking sales numbers - D'oH!. I guess now we know a little more about why he's leaving MS...

    I'm all for developers taking their time but delays always dissappoint. The gaming industry should better understand how to set expectations lower so that everyone is always pleasantly surprised. For example, at E3, Nintendo announced that Mario Galaxy will be available in December which was sooner than most expected.

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    1. Re:hot coffee, lies and video games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bioshock
      Mass Effect

  19. Re:damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVERYTHING goes down in price eventually. -10 not insightful.

  20. Re:damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except commoditized goods.

  21. Re:damn by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

    A delay is perfectly fine with me. There are tons of older 360 games I need to purchase and play (GRAWs, GoW, R6V, SCDA etc.), not to mention some upcoming ones like Bioshock and Mass Effect.

  22. Re:damn by djasbestos · · Score: 1

    We can only hope that this move will not make Microsoft think they can get away with releasing certain other anticipated titles early without ironing out the details...

    Like the latest version of Windows?

  23. Helps them, as it hurts Microsoft by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As another poster noted, Microsoft had more to gain from the GTA release as it had exclusive 360 content. This gives SOny more time to convince people to buy a PS3 instead of a 360 for the games that are coming out.

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    1. Re:Helps them, as it hurts Microsoft by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      At the same time though, Microsoft has Halo 3 coming out this fall, and they may not want that competing with GTA4. I am in the market for a 360 (waiting for the price cut later this month on the Premium), and I know that I wasn't going to buy Halo 3 at launch because I'd spend my money on GTA4. Now I may buy Halo 3 at launch when it's $50 instead of waiting until it drops in price in the Spring.

  24. This delay is to let the 360 HDD req. sink in by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A recent rumor has Microsoft dropping the Core system (with no HD) and allowing game makers to require the HDD version of the 360.

    It seems like this move might be giving Rockstar enough time to re-tool the game to take advantage of the HDD requirement by allowing for more content (which would also benefit the PS3), and at the same time letting the HDD requirement for games sink into the buying populace and see how well it works out.

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  25. Re:damn by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 0, Troll

    They should rename the game GTA IV-ever

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  26. Time to write off Manhunt 2? by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think this makes the case for writing off Manhunt 2, which can only be a distraction.

    The "M" rating is no longer a sure bet for GTA - and GTA is franchise gold. Rockstar has to get this one right.

    2008 is a presidential election year - an election will almost certainly turn on core issues like Iraq and health care.
    But it is all to easy to picture Rockstar in a another spectacular PR crack-up, the center of a messy, politically-charged debate over video game violence.

    1. Re:Time to write off Manhunt 2? by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Well they could be dedicating their time to MH2 instead of GTA4 simply because their business plan consisted of MH2 providing enough cashflow to finish production of GTA4. Things like mastering, pressing cds, super double overtime in the final months all require tons of cash.

  27. Oh wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Upon further reading, it turns out Take-Two is already forecasting a loss for this year. Can't say I blame them. I hope 2008 turns out better.

  28. Re:damn by Dragon+of+the+Pants · · Score: 1

    LIES! Price of Coke in 1903: $0.05 Price of Coke in 2003: $1.00

  29. I wonder how this will affect Microsoft by enderjsv · · Score: 1

    First off, I just have to say before I say anything else is that I'm not a fanboy. I LOVED my PlayStation2 and I continue to hope that the PS3 eventually gets its act together and brings back the glory days of the last generation.

    That said, for those of you who say this hurts the XBOX360 more than the PS3, I couldn't disagree with you more. This coming holiday season is a very important time for the two systems. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this holiday season is important enough to finally give one of the two systems a significant share of the market over the other. That's how important I consider it to be.

    With that being said, an important part of any holiday season is to have an established killer app to push consoles. Xbox already has one. The PlayStation doesn't. While the previous score of- Xbox, 2 killer apps, PlayStation, 1, already seemed to tip the tide in Microsoft's favor, a score of 1-0 would be devastating. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there aren't games coming out for the PlayStation that could be good and could eventually become killer apps, but "eventually" isn't going to sell consoles in this all important season.

    Now for the exclusive content. GTA4 will eventually come out, and the exclusive content will probably still be there. If Microsoft gains a significant portion of the console market this holiday season, then the affects of the exclusive content in GTA4 could be even greater then they would have been if the game had been released this season. In a way, this delay could actually help MS more that hurt it in the long run.

  30. Re:damn by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

    I *highly* recommend Rainbow Six Vegas. One of the best shooters I have played in a long time. GRAW2 pales in comparison, but the 'co-op campaign' mode (using 'campaign' very loosely) is a lot of fun with friends over Live. R6V might even be my favorite shooter EVAR!

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  31. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should rename the game GTA IV-ever
    Only if you can take a joke.
  32. I'm a huge GTA fan, but... by crhylove · · Score: 1

    I don't give half a rat's ass about any console title. How many people would buy this game for PC if they would release it first, and how much easier/faster would dev be for the PC? Why not just release the PC version, then limp along till the console versions are ready? John Q. Ignorant is still going to buy the console titles like hot cakes.

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    1. Re:I'm a huge GTA fan, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here.

      Can I pre-order GTA IV for PC, for delivery in 2010? Seriously, I want this game but I will NOT play it on anything but PC. Why must we wait forever and a day for the PC version?

    2. Re:I'm a huge GTA fan, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and how much easier/faster would dev be for the PC?

      In theory it should be harder and slow when you design for a console you design for specific hardware, when you design for PC you don't. Of course theory != Real life alot of the time.

  33. The REAL reason they're delaying it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...is that they're renegotiating Jenna Jameson's contract for her return as the voice of Candy Suxxx.

    (It costs extra for hot coffee time, after all.)

  34. Re:This delay is to let the 360 HDD req. sink in by iainl · · Score: 1

    Football Manager 2006 came out on the 13th of April that year, and required the hard drive. So it's clearly possible to demand one, if you argue your case with Microsoft.

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  35. Saw it coming by Talgrath · · Score: 1

    Considering that they just announced GTA 4, and Rockstar hadn't exactly been dormant the past two years or so, I knew a delay was coming.

  36. To put future "for sure" comments into perspective by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    I remember reading a comment on slashdot saying this was UNPOSSIBLE!!1!

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  37. Mod parent by walnutmon · · Score: 1

    Wow.... I thought that was pretty damn funny.

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  38. Since I'm a Troll.... by tlh1005 · · Score: 1

    Let me redeem myself. I was so wrong. Big business never does anything with their best interest at hand and that was stupid of me. I'm ashamed of myself. This is how I act after all the PS3 has done for me, putting food on the table, helping take care of Grandma last year. I'm sorry Sony, I'm sorry PS3 fans :( Please mod this one down too, I deserver it.

  39. Sorry!!! by tlh1005 · · Score: 1

    Man, sorry again for this, I don't know what I was thinking. Sony execs etc. are always right. The PS3 will have the bestest Christmas ever!! If someone can release Rock, Paper, Scissors I'd take the cell plunge right now.

  40. Interesting by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Thanks, I hadn't heard anything was allowed to do that already.

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    1. Re:Interesting by iainl · · Score: 1

      That's ok - every title I know that has the limitation so far is a Football Management game, and they're somewhat niche on consoles.

      And that's due to the fact that there's no way a full FM save would fit on a memory card without terminally crippling it on the way from the PC, so it may be something of a special bye.

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  41. Re:Just making sure by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

    Man, what's with the mods today? Suddenly everyone's afraid to hit the "funny" button.
    It's like someone hooked up some mousey nerd with a bunch of mod po- oh sweet lord...

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  42. Re: Pre-rendered FMV's are FTL .... by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    The usable space is only 7Gb. This is wholly inadequate for many next gen games when 5.1 surround sound, HD FMV and even textures & polygons are going to take 4-10x the space of last gen yet the disk is only 2x larger than last gen. And localized content is totally out of the question too.

    Honestly, I'm surprised any developer is doing Pre-rendered FMV's with the current gen systems. Why not do everything with the in game engine? The graphics look great to begin with, it saves space on the disk, less/ no load times between the switch, and it doesn't break the immersion.

    With very few exceptions (something like Rogue Squadron II ) I'd be happier to see FMV's go away.

  43. So it's all about spin, then? by ElboRuum · · Score: 1

    So if I'm a software developer and I want to exploit a little spin, I tell you that the game is 3 years off and I deliver it in 2 and a half, you're happier than if I had promised the software in 2 years and I deliver in a 2 and a half?

    C'mon now. Think it through.

    1. Re:So it's all about spin, then? by captain_cthulhu · · Score: 1

      happier? probably not.
      dissapointed? definitely not.

      and yes, it has always been about spin. We're still talking about the spin regarding Duke Nuke 'Em Forever and it's been 10+ years. The spin lingers for a little while after release when the game is really good but usually when the spin stops, so does the excitement and we can all go back to being objective.

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  44. You know, you are so right. by ElboRuum · · Score: 1

    I mean the thing that made GTA III, IIIa, and IIIb so great were the framerate, art, and general next-gen-ness.

    Since sarcasm doesn't travel well through the IP ether, let me just point it out here.

  45. Re:The delay sucks but there are plenty of other g by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather they fix those issues rather than release a piece of crap on the market.

    And few fans of the series would think otherwise. But the problem isn't that the game as a whole is too far from completition, the problem is that the PS3 has been lagging behind more and more (hence why we've never seen a single screenshot of the PS3 build of the game) to the point that while they could get the Xbox 360 version in time, they wouldn't be able to do so with the PS3 version, and due to their agreements they can't put one version out before the other (imagine the major blow to the PS3 if the Xbox 360 had GTA IV monthes before it would!).

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