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If this was correct there would never be groups of zealots. This is irresponsibly naive. When fascist/ communist/ religious zealots come and threaten you, I look forward to seeing the look of surprise on your face. I never saw liberal zealots threaten anyone though.
Ah yes, I forgot pharmaceutical companies are big Microsoft shops. The types of companies you're dealing with make a lot of sense. TV stations are taking loads of Microsoft stuff as they're pushing IPTV big time. Lets assume the account managers are shoe-horning as much extra as they can into "IPTV" deals.
Petrol company. Interesting. Normally I'm seeing Java there (or outsourced and don't care).
Large retailers is interesting, I normally see Java there too as the projects are done by large System Integrators and let's face it, if you sell services by the day Java is such an obvious choice. Guess it just depends who wins the project.
Longer term I reckon Rails will take from some Java growth, from Python and maybe top end PHP stuff, but despite the buzz, I can't see its sweet spot yet.
Interesting. Naturally we have no idea who you are, but from what I've seen (admittedly I've only spoken with hundreds of web development and systems teams over the past few years), the insurance industry is a Microsoft shop. That's about it. Most large companies (at least in Europe) are using Java as legacy and many are starting to drop PHP apps on top of them as Java re-usability is proving not to be as easy as it sounds and it takes a long time to get new Java projects out the door.
In addition, contrary to your claim, Open Source is indeed everywhere and mainly on the back of Linux which is replacing proprietary Unix which as you know is present in almost all large companies but also for the largest web clusters around (large web cluster != large company)
For some reason you've neglected to tell us all that in fact most large companies have a selection of technologies for a variety of historical and strategic reasons. I have rarely heard of a company using just one technology, though plenty claim to have only J2EE. What this says to me is that they are still 18 months from weighing alternatives as Java is overkill for many web projects (not my opinion, I'm not an application architect, just saying what I hear from others).
Incidentally, I have rarely seen MS SQL being used for web projects, MySQL is all over the place and serious players use Oracle (for the clustering). DB2 users suffer in general, though from what I've heard, they have bigger installed base than Oracle (just not for web projects).
In short, I have no idea which companies you're working with or where, but my experience is the complete opposite to yours.
I did hear of one Ruby project and that was a porn site in the Czech Republic, but I'm guessing I'm not speaking with the right people. I never heard of whole sites being migrated to Ruby, but I guess from the amount of buzz that some fun new stuff is being done with it.
All in all I'd say that despite techies pet hate for "marketing", Ruby is indeed being marketed loudly and enthusiastically by its community (I wonder why...) which goes to show that developers are no more immune to peer pressure and smart marketing than anyone else, they just think they are because they don't understand marketing.
I totally agree with you. The only fly in the ointment is that there's this agreement in place from a few years ago. I guess Apple Computer views it as just a cost of doing business.
I reckon it's high time Apple Computer moves to settle once and for all and get rid of this lawsuit which just seems to keep coming back.
On the other hand, there's that old adage about no publicity being bad publicity (OTOH surely publicity that costs you millions is bad publicity, right?)
ISPs don't make much money on email at all, it's mainly an application to stop users churning (though I can't really understand why people still don't have Hotmail/Yahoo/Gmail accounts which aren't related to ISPs).
Your suggestion has huge storage cost implications and I'm guessing this is the reason to limit the file sizes.
Yes - rumours of Oracle buying Zend Technologies last month account for the steady and rapid growth of PHP since 2000. Not only is Larry right, he's capable of flattening space-time. Yay Larry!
Don't forgot the more interesting server stuff: 1) Zend Platform, a service platform for PHP in production environments 2) Zend Core a supported PHP binary distro for IBM & Oracle
Why is this chutzpah? They bought a local operator (J-Phone) and they operate a phone network, not exactly rocket science. Yes they have some unique data services and they decide which phones to market, but that's not chutzpah, that's just bad execution.
Wow, I've never seen someone so pissed that Apple didn't announce something.
Seeing as Tivo has proved a nice point technologically and been summarily copied by the cable companies who don't need Tivo, and that 1960's rock bands tend to make great strategy consultants for technology companies I'm struggling to understand who exactly you are referring to when you say "someone with a clue".
Who has a clue? You? Roku? Squeezebox? MythTV? Sony? Panasonic? Microsoft? CBS? Universal? Crappy product? Niche markets?
I don't think this is a good idea at all, the hosting market has seen loads of companies merge or go out of business in the past couple of years and it's a total commodity business, unlike any other market Apple is in (OK, apart from the iPod Shuffle).
And didn't we read a few months ago about Sun's grid for rent not having even 1 customer?
I'm sure they have plenty experience with large Mac cluster administration due to iTMS, but still opening a hosting proposition (that is not related to.Mac) would make a really weird choice.
My company uses this. It's partly the re-badged intranets.com system. Works really nicely on Windows with MSIE, but with Firefox it's a complete dog and the pages don't render the same (seem to be some bits missing, but it's still usable). Same story on Safari. Just annoying, but I guess what that's what the creators of ASP.NET wanted for non MS users.
If he's into a totally web-based solution, the guy looking should also probably have a look at the Horde project (PHP-based) - http://www.horde.org/ though I don't know if it works nicely with PDA's.
We could probably go on with this, but it looks like we both have our minds firmly made up and I don't think anyone else is reading this otherwise interesting thread.
One last word. Don't assume the good people are doing nothing. We are, but we have day jobs and the loonies have guns and zeal, so we have to wait for the government to act.
"The word "jewish" is very malleable isn't it? Sometimes people use it to indicate a race, sometimes people use it to indicate a religion, sometimes a culture and sometimes people use it to indicate citizenship in a country."
OK, so for the record, Judaism is the religion. Jews/Jewish people are its adherents, but there's this middle eastern tribal thing going on too, so even if you're not observant of the laws if your mother is Jewish you are too. It's got nothing to do with your last point of indicating citizenship in a country.
"the precentage of the israeli population who are semites are tiny. Ironically virtually all the palestenians are semitic."
Slightly confused about this claim. Anti-semitism is a 19th century term to designate prejudicial Jew hating. Your point is basically about semantics and is not only relatively pointless (the only implication is we should define another term), but also a claim frequently used by Arab nations to ride on the back of the message that "antisemitism is a bad thing" to say, Arabs are Semites, people write prejudicial things about Arabs, therefore Arabs are victims of Antisemitism. Well great argument, if you don't like the terms redefine them to suit your own position. Silly in my opinion.
"Anyway zionisn states that israel is t be a jewish country. Does this mean jewish as in race? Does this mean jewish as in religion? I don't know, maybe you do."
Zionism is not a book of strict rules with 1 definition, it's a stream of different political movements around the principal tenet of a Jewish homeland (the question of country of Jews, or Jewish country is still being debated). The race part came into it after WWII where the founding fathers of the state decided that anyone who was persecuted by the Nazi definition of Jewish (1 Jewish grandparent), should be offered shelter by the Jewish State.
"You seem to agree though that it will not ever be a melting pot of different cultures, races, religions or whatever."
I completely disagree with your assumption here. Israel is indeed a melting pot of Jews from all over the world as well as Druze, Circassian Muslims, Arabs and others. Do all these communities mix and marry each other? No. Do they enjoy equal rights? They're supposed to. Do all groups in the USA enjoy equal rights? They're supposed to.
"So you guys get to use our weapons to occupy 3.5 million people, gee I don't think that so great but like I said I am an atheist and have a different value system then most people."
Being an atheist has nothing to do with it. China occupies Tibet, and are atheist. Nazi Germany occupied Europe and was atheist. Soviet Russia was atheist. The US occupies many islands in the Pacific, Afghanistan, Iraq and is "atheist". God has nothing to do with it, it started with security concerns and was hijacked by some ethnic supremecists who are in bed with the army and real estate developers. Of course, rockets from Gaza don't help promote the message that unilateral withdrawal is a good thing or that the Palestinians are like South Africans.
What's interesting is that occupying 3.5 million people isn't something that most Israeli's care about, it's something happening over the hills and they don't wish to really get involved with the loonies.
So your implication that I am somehow personally involved doesn't bother me as I consistently vote against and don't have any interests or support for our occupation activities.
I have seen those on TV. I have also seen on TV where members of the knesset have called for the extermination of the palestenians. I have also seen on TV where prominent jewish clerics have called for the extermination of the palestenians. I realize that those are not mainstream voices (except maybe the guy in the knesset perhaps) but I have seen it. Are you saying there has never been large scale protests in ISrael by fundamentalist jews?
Not sure who you're referring to, but this is certainly not a mainstream view. There are no prominent clerics who have called for extermination of Palestinians, although a couple of years back after Arafat didn't come up with the goods when he promised to stop violence, one of the big Rabbi's called the Palestinians lying snakes. He was roundly castigated by the media and his spokesmen were made to look absolutely ridiculous on all the major talk shows. Interestingly he was the same guy who gave Rabin enough votes in the Knesset to move ahead with the Peace Process (anyone else remember we had one???)
You need to understand that the majority of Israelis are not religiously observant so even "prominent" Rabbi's don't have much influence and certainly no power to get chanting masses into the streets (unless they die, then they'll get loads going to their funeral, but they won't be chanting).
Protests in Israel by fundamentalist Jews are normally against the government. In Arab societies, there is not usually a very developed political system and the populations are generally very pro-Establishment and conservative, so it works very nicely for the Governments/Regimes/Dictators to have their energetic male masses take out their frustration on foreign conspiracies. Better to have them wish death on enemies than to be strung up and hanged yourself, right?
I think the best way to solve this problem would be for israel to annex all of the west bank and gaza and then make all the palestenians full citizens.
That's nice, but very few people on either side want this. They don't want to live with the others. This is why nation states exist, so you can live with people who speak a similar language and otherwise don't wish you dead.
I know the jewish religion prevents that though, israel is supposed to be a jewish state not a state in which muslims would be a majority or a large percentage.
This is not accurate. The Jewish religion which has almost nothing to say about nation states or their operation. Secular Zionism which is a mirror of European nationalisms of the 1900's has this as a tenet, but only in terms of being a manageable state. Many heterogeneous States in Europe (see Catalonia recently in Spain, Muslim riots in France) face challenges to the State authority by populations with different value systems, so having a fairly homogeneous population is what I'd put in my Best Practices guidelines for Nation States.
Oh yes, and we don't get $12 billion a year, in 2005 it was about $2.6 billion of which $2.3 billion went straight back to US defense industry. (Unfortunately we get to do a fair amount of field trials).
Indeed bad. Do you think anyone would give a shit if they killed 50,000 Jews though? No.
In fact most people don't give a shit about Jews being killed, (or anyone else for that matter until it gets close to home). In fact the only people that really give a shit about Jews being killed are Jews, which is why Zionism won by default after the Second World War. The socialist Bund was the most prolific Jewish political movement before the War, but most of its supported ended up being killed. If the Zionists hadn't been active in the displaced persons camps after the war the Allies would have shipped the Jews back to where they were from and enjoyed nice brotherly behaviour like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom. Yes, more dead Jews. Who gave a shit? No one.
Contrary to what many enlightened and open minded people believe these days, Israelis don't really enjoy killing anybody. If you want to read about the wars in 1948,1967 and 1973 you'll find that many Israelis were killed too and the Arabs really wanted to kill them. Just they didn't manage too.
So much as the Muslims like to issue violent and blood curdling threats, doing so to people whose grandparents keep harping on about the Holocaust is probably not such a good idea because, to be frank, we can't afford to be ambivalent.
Pah, only 18 months old. With your logic we should all be writing in Fortran and Cobol.
If you want the OO, XML, PDO and other goodies you'll go to PHP 5. Really, now there's 5.1 out there's no excuse for this kind of claim especially with PHP 6 being projected for release in early 2007.
The fact that you couldn't find a good PHP developer locally means very little. I know many good PHP developers. You don't. Therefore PHP is a bad technology. Eh?
For the umpteenth time: - Bad system administrators and programmers are a constant source of security problems. - PHP is popular because it's performant, cheap to deploy, cross platform, fast to develop, fast to learn and has good support for MySQL and XML and it's easy to find developers.
Enough silliness we've been through this enough times recently on/.
*nix (apple and linux are the most used *nix, but solaris is big in some companies and you can also download for free).
Are you for real? Solaris, AIX and HP-UX are all much bigger than Apple's FreeBSD variant. I know, I have an Apple, and I sell to companies running the Unix flavours (we have a cross platform thing so I speak to everyone). Who is really using Apple much apart from End Users and graphic designers? Yes I am an Apple Fanboy, but seriously get real - the big developments for Unix are on Servers, not PCs and barely anyone is running Apple servers. It's unfortunate but it's true.
Heh, surely better than selling real products to consumers that have little likelihood of making money.
At least investors have more money, think they're smarter and move in herds (so you don't need mass media advertising). Sounds good to me! Milk 'em dry!
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If this was correct there would never be groups of zealots. This is irresponsibly naive. When fascist/ communist/ religious zealots come and threaten you, I look forward to seeing the look of surprise on your face. I never saw liberal zealots threaten anyone though.
I hope you have a good debugging procedure in place for your open sauce project.
Ah yes, I forgot pharmaceutical companies are big Microsoft shops. The types of companies you're dealing with make a lot of sense. TV stations are taking loads of Microsoft stuff as they're pushing IPTV big time. Lets assume the account managers are shoe-horning as much extra as they can into "IPTV" deals.
Petrol company. Interesting. Normally I'm seeing Java there (or outsourced and don't care).
Large retailers is interesting, I normally see Java there too as the projects are done by large System Integrators and let's face it, if you sell services by the day Java is such an obvious choice. Guess it just depends who wins the project.
Longer term I reckon Rails will take from some Java growth, from Python and maybe top end PHP stuff, but despite the buzz, I can't see its sweet spot yet.
Interesting. Naturally we have no idea who you are, but from what I've seen (admittedly I've only spoken with hundreds of web development and systems teams over the past few years), the insurance industry is a Microsoft shop. That's about it. Most large companies (at least in Europe) are using Java as legacy and many are starting to drop PHP apps on top of them as Java re-usability is proving not to be as easy as it sounds and it takes a long time to get new Java projects out the door.
In addition, contrary to your claim, Open Source is indeed everywhere and mainly on the back of Linux which is replacing proprietary Unix which as you know is present in almost all large companies but also for the largest web clusters around (large web cluster != large company)
For some reason you've neglected to tell us all that in fact most large companies have a selection of technologies for a variety of historical and strategic reasons. I have rarely heard of a company using just one technology, though plenty claim to have only J2EE. What this says to me is that they are still 18 months from weighing alternatives as Java is overkill for many web projects (not my opinion, I'm not an application architect, just saying what I hear from others).
Incidentally, I have rarely seen MS SQL being used for web projects, MySQL is all over the place and serious players use Oracle (for the clustering). DB2 users suffer in general, though from what I've heard, they have bigger installed base than Oracle (just not for web projects).
In short, I have no idea which companies you're working with or where, but my experience is the complete opposite to yours.
I did hear of one Ruby project and that was a porn site in the Czech Republic, but I'm guessing I'm not speaking with the right people. I never heard of whole sites being migrated to Ruby, but I guess from the amount of buzz that some fun new stuff is being done with it.
All in all I'd say that despite techies pet hate for "marketing", Ruby is indeed being marketed loudly and enthusiastically by its community (I wonder why...) which goes to show that developers are no more immune to peer pressure and smart marketing than anyone else, they just think they are because they don't understand marketing.
I totally agree with you. The only fly in the ointment is that there's this agreement in place from a few years ago. I guess Apple Computer views it as just a cost of doing business.
I reckon it's high time Apple Computer moves to settle once and for all and get rid of this lawsuit which just seems to keep coming back.
On the other hand, there's that old adage about no publicity being bad publicity (OTOH surely publicity that costs you millions is bad publicity, right?)
ISPs don't make much money on email at all, it's mainly an application to stop users churning (though I can't really understand why people still don't have Hotmail/Yahoo/Gmail accounts which aren't related to ISPs).
Your suggestion has huge storage cost implications and I'm guessing this is the reason to limit the file sizes.
Chill Winston, I only chose this name as Anonymous Howard was taken.
Yes - rumours of Oracle buying Zend Technologies last month account for the steady and rapid growth of PHP since 2000. Not only is Larry right, he's capable of flattening space-time. Yay Larry!
Don't forgot the more interesting server stuff:
1) Zend Platform, a service platform for PHP in production environments
2) Zend Core a supported PHP binary distro for IBM & Oracle
Why is this chutzpah? They bought a local operator (J-Phone) and they operate a phone network, not exactly rocket science. Yes they have some unique data services and they decide which phones to market, but that's not chutzpah, that's just bad execution.
Wow, I've never seen someone so pissed that Apple didn't announce something.
Seeing as Tivo has proved a nice point technologically and been summarily copied by the cable companies who don't need Tivo, and that 1960's rock bands tend to make great strategy consultants for technology companies I'm struggling to understand who exactly you are referring to when you say "someone with a clue".
Who has a clue? You? Roku? Squeezebox? MythTV? Sony? Panasonic? Microsoft? CBS? Universal? Crappy product? Niche markets?
Please share with the group.
I don't think this is a good idea at all, the hosting market has seen loads of companies merge or go out of business in the past couple of years and it's a total commodity business, unlike any other market Apple is in (OK, apart from the iPod Shuffle).
.Mac) would make a really weird choice.
And didn't we read a few months ago about Sun's grid for rent not having even 1 customer?
I'm sure they have plenty experience with large Mac cluster administration due to iTMS, but still opening a hosting proposition (that is not related to
My company uses this. It's partly the re-badged intranets.com system. Works really nicely on Windows with MSIE, but with Firefox it's a complete dog and the pages don't render the same (seem to be some bits missing, but it's still usable). Same story on Safari. Just annoying, but I guess what that's what the creators of ASP.NET wanted for non MS users.
If he's into a totally web-based solution, the guy looking should also probably have a look at the Horde project (PHP-based) - http://www.horde.org/ though I don't know if it works nicely with PDA's.
We could probably go on with this, but it looks like we both have our minds firmly made up and I don't think anyone else is reading this otherwise interesting thread.
One last word. Don't assume the good people are doing nothing. We are, but we have day jobs and the loonies have guns and zeal, so we have to wait for the government to act.
yet another piss-poor analogy.
"The word "jewish" is very malleable isn't it? Sometimes people use it to indicate a race, sometimes people use it to indicate a religion, sometimes a culture and sometimes people use it to indicate citizenship in a country."
OK, so for the record, Judaism is the religion. Jews/Jewish people are its adherents, but there's this middle eastern tribal thing going on too, so even if you're not observant of the laws if your mother is Jewish you are too. It's got nothing to do with your last point of indicating citizenship in a country.
"the precentage of the israeli population who are semites are tiny. Ironically virtually all the palestenians are semitic."
Slightly confused about this claim. Anti-semitism is a 19th century term to designate prejudicial Jew hating. Your point is basically about semantics and is not only relatively pointless (the only implication is we should define another term), but also a claim frequently used by Arab nations to ride on the back of the message that "antisemitism is a bad thing" to say, Arabs are Semites, people write prejudicial things about Arabs, therefore Arabs are victims of Antisemitism. Well great argument, if you don't like the terms redefine them to suit your own position. Silly in my opinion.
"Anyway zionisn states that israel is t be a jewish country. Does this mean jewish as in race? Does this mean jewish as in religion? I don't know, maybe you do."
Zionism is not a book of strict rules with 1 definition, it's a stream of different political movements around the principal tenet of a Jewish homeland (the question of country of Jews, or Jewish country is still being debated). The race part came into it after WWII where the founding fathers of the state decided that anyone who was persecuted by the Nazi definition of Jewish (1 Jewish grandparent), should be offered shelter by the Jewish State.
"You seem to agree though that it will not ever be a melting pot of different cultures, races, religions or whatever."
I completely disagree with your assumption here. Israel is indeed a melting pot of Jews from all over the world as well as Druze, Circassian Muslims, Arabs and others. Do all these communities mix and marry each other? No. Do they enjoy equal rights? They're supposed to. Do all groups in the USA enjoy equal rights? They're supposed to.
"So you guys get to use our weapons to occupy 3.5 million people, gee I don't think that so great but like I said I am an atheist and have a different value system then most people."
Being an atheist has nothing to do with it. China occupies Tibet, and are atheist. Nazi Germany occupied Europe and was atheist. Soviet Russia was atheist. The US occupies many islands in the Pacific, Afghanistan, Iraq and is "atheist". God has nothing to do with it, it started with security concerns and was hijacked by some ethnic supremecists who are in bed with the army and real estate developers. Of course, rockets from Gaza don't help promote the message that unilateral withdrawal is a good thing or that the Palestinians are like South Africans.
What's interesting is that occupying 3.5 million people isn't something that most Israeli's care about, it's something happening over the hills and they don't wish to really get involved with the loonies.
So your implication that I am somehow personally involved doesn't bother me as I consistently vote against and don't have any interests or support for our occupation activities.
You need to understand that the majority of Israelis are not religiously observant so even "prominent" Rabbi's don't have much influence and certainly no power to get chanting masses into the streets (unless they die, then they'll get loads going to their funeral, but they won't be chanting).
Protests in Israel by fundamentalist Jews are normally against the government. In Arab societies, there is not usually a very developed political system and the populations are generally very pro-Establishment and conservative, so it works very nicely for the Governments/Regimes/Dictators to have their energetic male masses take out their frustration on foreign conspiracies. Better to have them wish death on enemies than to be strung up and hanged yourself, right? That's nice, but very few people on either side want this. They don't want to live with the others. This is why nation states exist, so you can live with people who speak a similar language and otherwise don't wish you dead. This is not accurate. The Jewish religion which has almost nothing to say about nation states or their operation. Secular Zionism which is a mirror of European nationalisms of the 1900's has this as a tenet, but only in terms of being a manageable state. Many heterogeneous States in Europe (see Catalonia recently in Spain, Muslim riots in France) face challenges to the State authority by populations with different value systems, so having a fairly homogeneous population is what I'd put in my Best Practices guidelines for Nation States.
Oh yes, and we don't get $12 billion a year, in 2005 it was about $2.6 billion of which $2.3 billion went straight back to US defense industry. (Unfortunately we get to do a fair amount of field trials).
In fact most people don't give a shit about Jews being killed, (or anyone else for that matter until it gets close to home). In fact the only people that really give a shit about Jews being killed are Jews, which is why Zionism won by default after the Second World War. The socialist Bund was the most prolific Jewish political movement before the War, but most of its supported ended up being killed. If the Zionists hadn't been active in the displaced persons camps after the war the Allies would have shipped the Jews back to where they were from and enjoyed nice brotherly behaviour like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom. Yes, more dead Jews. Who gave a shit? No one.
Contrary to what many enlightened and open minded people believe these days, Israelis don't really enjoy killing anybody. If you want to read about the wars in 1948,1967 and 1973 you'll find that many Israelis were killed too and the Arabs really wanted to kill them. Just they didn't manage too.
So much as the Muslims like to issue violent and blood curdling threats, doing so to people whose grandparents keep harping on about the Holocaust is probably not such a good idea because, to be frank, we can't afford to be ambivalent.
Pah, only 18 months old. With your logic we should all be writing in Fortran and Cobol.
If you want the OO, XML, PDO and other goodies you'll go to PHP 5.
Really, now there's 5.1 out there's no excuse for this kind of claim especially with PHP 6 being projected for release in early 2007.
The fact that you couldn't find a good PHP developer locally means very little. I know many good PHP developers. You don't. Therefore PHP is a bad technology. Eh?
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For the umpteenth time:
- Bad system administrators and programmers are a constant source of security problems.
- PHP is popular because it's performant, cheap to deploy, cross platform, fast to develop, fast to learn and has good support for MySQL and XML and it's easy to find developers.
Enough silliness we've been through this enough times recently on
*nix (apple and linux are the most used *nix, but solaris is big in some companies and you can also download for free).
Are you for real? Solaris, AIX and HP-UX are all much bigger than Apple's FreeBSD variant. I know, I have an Apple, and I sell to companies running the Unix flavours (we have a cross platform thing so I speak to everyone). Who is really using Apple much apart from End Users and graphic designers? Yes I am an Apple Fanboy, but seriously get real - the big developments for Unix are on Servers, not PCs and barely anyone is running Apple servers. It's unfortunate but it's true.
This is pure brilliance! It's a dictionary spam mail attack with lawyers to back you up. Fantastic business model.
It's like selling Cialis tabs/ Pen1s enlargement pills except the potential upside is much higher.
I mean normally you're going to sic your lawyers on the spammers, but now our lawyers ARE the spammer (no Soviet Russia gags please).
Put the RIAA on the NO SPAM list and you'll be fine.... or did I miss something?
Heh, surely better than selling real products to consumers that have little likelihood of making money.
At least investors have more money, think they're smarter and move in herds (so you don't need mass media advertising). Sounds good to me! Milk 'em dry!
you mean, it took away his mandate? sorry, man date?
nyet, nyet, nyet: In Soviet Russia the Turing test takes the computer,
but then many people take computers in Russia....
Oh, those Russians!