From reading the comments, everyone uses this chance to push some agenda, to assign the blame. Some use this as an excuse to criticise the policies of the current and past government, some criticise NASA, some even rejoice at the thought and decry that this development should have happened sooner. I can hardly put it into words how much this hurts.
You have to be made of wood not to feel wonder when looking up at the stars. I am sure every person at some stage of their lives wondered what it would be like to fly in space and to walk upon other worlds forever hidden by the vast distance. To look back and see with your own eyes the smallness of our world.
And 41 years ago we did just that. The Apollo program was our crowning achievement. All of the sudden all those dreams were not as impossible as they once seemed. At that time everyone was enthralled at the possibilities! Every kid wanted to be an astronaut, scientist or engineer. The Moon was just the start, a first step on our expansion into space. That was the pinnacle of human advancement and by far the United State's greatest achievement.
Some say we did it for all the wrong reasons. Some will argue that we did it wrong to start with. Others even believe that the event never took place. As if the reasons for it diminish the achievement...
And now, less than half-century later we are discussing the prospect of abandoning the capability to send a man into space. Of turning our back on all the pain-staking work we done to get where we did and let the space facilities rust. All of the sudden it is enough to send a robot; All of the sudden science is the only reason for looking upwards.
What is wrong with my generation? What has happened to our sense of wonder? When we look at the stars do we not feel the same way as our predecessors? Where did we go wrong that we let ourself die on the inside? Somewhere along the line we squandered all the inspiration, dreams and ambitions of our parents and grandparents.
Oh they don't like wind generators either. Apparently they kill some incompetent, slow bird once in a while.
As far as solar power is concerned, its just a matter of time till some environmentalist will oppose it on the basis of toxic substances produced during manufacture.
In my opinion, when that happens you need another person to help. Someone to provide encouragement, understanding and maybe direct support to help you get over that barrier that is holding you back from doing what you know is right.
This is when family, friends or if nobody else psychiatrists become invaluable.
You think it is so easy to avoid sugar in your diet?
Go talk to a diabetic. He will show you a list of things to avoid that will be quite long and include majority of food groups. Essentially nearly anything cheap or processed has sugar in it.
Now if you are careful and work on it, you can have a good diet without any sugar, but lets be honest here; Who wants to go through all the trouble of checking every nutritional label and change of lifestyle if it does not cause you trouble in short term?
That is absolutely false. The piracy even worse because the market is small enough as it is, a small percentage will push the product from barely profitable to absolute loss.
The problem has got so bad that Linux Game Publishing (Major porter of games to Linux and a successor of Loki) were forced to implement DRM for their releases:
And they didn't like doing it one bit. Here is a quote from the above linked article by LGP's CEO Michael Simms:
When this game copy protection system became known with LGP's closed testing community, it had enraged some users. In response, the CEO of Linux Game Publishing, Michael Simms, had a few things to say. "Trust me, I don't like it, I'm not happy about it, but we HAVE to do this. I've fought for 6 years against the need for any kind of protection system and all that's happened is that for every legitimate copy of an LGP game out there, there are probably 3-4 pirated copies. That's the difference between success and failure."
Now I know everyone here buys their Linux games, but it is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of pirates out there that care not for it.
I run R&D, invention, manufacturing, and work the market
You sir engage in what we call "Market PvP". Ever spend significant time overbidding someone?
Essentially when we say PvP, we don't necessarily mean blowing someone up, podding him, scooping the loot and then smacking him in local. Any action that adversely affects another player falls under the term PvP. Scamming does not fills up your kills page, but you have got to agree that there is a human victim on the receiving end.
Now if you were mining without ever selling or running missions, then you would be justified in saying that you never PvP. However it is nearly impossible to avoid using the market, thus you really can't avoid the confrontational play.
Regardless on how you cut it, EVE is a purely PvP game.
Several months ago I started using Debian as my primary OS at home. I am very happy with it, but don't know much about how to keep it secure or how to tell if I had been compromised. Of course very basics are clear: I do not use root except in those instances of updates, etc. The consensus on this site is that if you run Linux then you are invincible, but I respectfully disagree. The system is only as secure as the competence of the user.
To cut the long story short:
- What do you normally do to make sure that your Linux system is clean? Is running apt-get upgrade regularly enough or is there more to it?
- What articles or books would you recommend to a newbie in this area? I am fully willing to RTFM as such, but please at least give me at least some direction on what to search for.
- Any other general tips, advice or wisdom would you be willing to share?
What is your alternative to treating such a severe depression that we have no other means for? Just do nothing and let them kill themselves? Lobotomy? Euthanize them?
Depression ranks as one of the most horrific ailment I can think of. Even if there is some small chance to help those patients, then we should do all we can. It might be crude, it probably does quite a bit of damage that will affect quality of life later, but it is a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I know that if I had a condition like that with no other alternatives, I would certainly undergo any controversial or experimental treatment available no matter if the rest view it as "barbaric" or "primitive". Even if it will not help at all, at lest hopefully something would be learned from it and a treatment developed/refined for patients that follow.
Perhaps a new industry of fixing up the damage was developed, but this is not a beneficial thing at all.
Using resources fixing up the mess detracts that much from doing other, more beneficial developments. Those poor unfortunate people you describe could of been much more wisely used learning and applying another skill other than forever repairing the faults of an improper implementation. What you described is a very well known concept in economics:
This is the greatest response to this matter I've ever read.
Nearly every single story about scientific progress has a thread where someone belittles the scientist. I wish that every one of those threads would have a response similar to yours.
Thank you so much for posting this! It is gems like this that keeps us coming back to this site.
Classic case of the problem with intellectuals. Yes you need them but if you get too many of them they cause Socialism and ruin for reasons which have been explored in enough depth in the literature that I won't bother with a Cliff's Notes summary here.
Intellectuals cause socialism?
During the revolution in Russia, intellectuals (Intelligacia I think in Russian) were quite literally lined up against the wall and shot or sent to Siberia. What happened in the following decades was some of the most extreme examples of socialism. Government wasn't anywhere near democratic either.
Unless I am missing something obvious, I would say it is the lack of intellectuals that fuels socialism.
On the bright side, I heard that Bush had withdrawn the US from the treaty that prohibits fision reactors in space. So hopefully this program will be resurrected.
While we are complaining, where are:
Planescape Torment
Descent: Freespace 1 & 2
The Longest Journey
System Shock 1 & 2
Knights of the Old Republic
Sid Myer's Alpha Centauri
Baldur's Gate series
Thief series
Deus Ex (first only)
Morrowind
Fallout 1 & 2
Grim Fandago
Homeworld
Icewind Dale series
Myst series
Total Annihilation
And these are just off the top of my head. I am sure I had forgoten some.
Your proposal would mean the end to all the space science in the United States. NASA does more than just handle maintenance of various space vehicles.
Lacking some government funded agency to oversee the missions of pure science, without tangible returns, you will never again see things like Hubble, Cassini, Mars rovers, deep space probes (Like the New Horizons probe currently on the way to Pluto), etc. I am sure that countries like Russia will still be doing these things, so space science will not TOTALLY be dead, but how is it in our advantage to scrap these capabilities that we had painstakingly built up over so long?
For no shareholder will ever support vast expenditures to get pretty pictures or hard, unatractive data that they have no immediate use for.
Where is this magical water you're talking about coming from?
The water will come from the breath of the workers working inside the warehouse. The submitter did not specify that computers will be sealed off in an air-proof no-go zone.
Another possible source would be faults in the insulation to the area outside. If the machine is near the frequently used door, there would be plenty of condensation after a few days.
Slashdot Mirror
A shame that no one got the reference.
Diamond Age if my memory serves me right.
From reading the comments, everyone uses this chance to push some agenda, to assign the blame. Some use this as an excuse to criticise the policies of the current and past government, some criticise NASA, some even rejoice at the thought and decry that this development should have happened sooner. I can hardly put it into words how much this hurts.
You have to be made of wood not to feel wonder when looking up at the stars. I am sure every person at some stage of their lives wondered what it would be like to fly in space and to walk upon other worlds forever hidden by the vast distance. To look back and see with your own eyes the smallness of our world.
And 41 years ago we did just that. The Apollo program was our crowning achievement. All of the sudden all those dreams were not as impossible as they once seemed. At that time everyone was enthralled at the possibilities! Every kid wanted to be an astronaut, scientist or engineer. The Moon was just the start, a first step on our expansion into space. That was the pinnacle of human advancement and by far the United State's greatest achievement.
Some say we did it for all the wrong reasons. Some will argue that we did it wrong to start with. Others even believe that the event never took place. As if the reasons for it diminish the achievement...
And now, less than half-century later we are discussing the prospect of abandoning the capability to send a man into space. Of turning our back on all the pain-staking work we done to get where we did and let the space facilities rust. All of the sudden it is enough to send a robot; All of the sudden science is the only reason for looking upwards.
What is wrong with my generation? What has happened to our sense of wonder? When we look at the stars do we not feel the same way as our predecessors? Where did we go wrong that we let ourself die on the inside? Somewhere along the line we squandered all the inspiration, dreams and ambitions of our parents and grandparents.
May the Space Age generation forgive us...
Oh they don't like wind generators either. Apparently they kill some incompetent, slow bird once in a while.
As far as solar power is concerned, its just a matter of time till some environmentalist will oppose it on the basis of toxic substances produced during manufacture.
Agrarian society here we come...
In my opinion, when that happens you need another person to help. Someone to provide encouragement, understanding and maybe direct support to help you get over that barrier that is holding you back from doing what you know is right.
This is when family, friends or if nobody else psychiatrists become invaluable.
Now I know exactly what "security by obscurity means. It had previously disembowelled me.
Wow. Must of been quite painful to have your guts removed and survive afterward. To have it done by a concept is even more impressive.
You think it is so easy to avoid sugar in your diet?
Go talk to a diabetic. He will show you a list of things to avoid that will be quite long and include majority of food groups. Essentially nearly anything cheap or processed has sugar in it.
Now if you are careful and work on it, you can have a good diet without any sugar, but lets be honest here; Who wants to go through all the trouble of checking every nutritional label and change of lifestyle if it does not cause you trouble in short term?
Very little piracy for Linux games?
That is absolutely false. The piracy even worse because the market is small enough as it is, a small percentage will push the product from barely profitable to absolute loss.
The problem has got so bad that Linux Game Publishing (Major porter of games to Linux and a successor of Loki) were forced to implement DRM for their releases:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lgp_copy_protection&num=1
And they didn't like doing it one bit. Here is a quote from the above linked article by LGP's CEO Michael Simms:
When this game copy protection system became known with LGP's closed testing community, it had enraged some users. In response, the CEO of Linux Game Publishing, Michael Simms, had a few things to say. "Trust me, I don't like it, I'm not happy about it, but we HAVE to do this. I've fought for 6 years against the need for any kind of protection system and all that's happened is that for every legitimate copy of an LGP game out there, there are probably 3-4 pirated copies. That's the difference between success and failure."
Now I know everyone here buys their Linux games, but it is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of pirates out there that care not for it.
There is more than one kind of PvP in EVE.
I run R&D, invention, manufacturing, and work the market
You sir engage in what we call "Market PvP". Ever spend significant time overbidding someone?
Essentially when we say PvP, we don't necessarily mean blowing someone up, podding him, scooping the loot and then smacking him in local. Any action that adversely affects another player falls under the term PvP. Scamming does not fills up your kills page, but you have got to agree that there is a human victim on the receiving end.
Now if you were mining without ever selling or running missions, then you would be justified in saying that you never PvP. However it is nearly impossible to avoid using the market, thus you really can't avoid the confrontational play.
Regardless on how you cut it, EVE is a purely PvP game.
While we are on a topic of security:
Several months ago I started using Debian as my primary OS at home. I am very happy with it, but don't know much about how to keep it secure or how to tell if I had been compromised. Of course very basics are clear: I do not use root except in those instances of updates, etc. The consensus on this site is that if you run Linux then you are invincible, but I respectfully disagree. The system is only as secure as the competence of the user.
To cut the long story short:
- What do you normally do to make sure that your Linux system is clean? Is running apt-get upgrade regularly enough or is there more to it?
- What articles or books would you recommend to a newbie in this area? I am fully willing to RTFM as such, but please at least give me at least some direction on what to search for.
- Any other general tips, advice or wisdom would you be willing to share?
Thank you
What is your alternative to treating such a severe depression that we have no other means for? Just do nothing and let them kill themselves? Lobotomy? Euthanize them?
Depression ranks as one of the most horrific ailment I can think of. Even if there is some small chance to help those patients, then we should do all we can. It might be crude, it probably does quite a bit of damage that will affect quality of life later, but it is a hell of a lot better than the alternative. I know that if I had a condition like that with no other alternatives, I would certainly undergo any controversial or experimental treatment available no matter if the rest view it as "barbaric" or "primitive". Even if it will not help at all, at lest hopefully something would be learned from it and a treatment developed/refined for patients that follow.
Well since they would be using their own internal law firm...
Perhaps a new industry of fixing up the damage was developed, but this is not a beneficial thing at all.
Using resources fixing up the mess detracts that much from doing other, more beneficial developments. Those poor unfortunate people you describe could of been much more wisely used learning and applying another skill other than forever repairing the faults of an improper implementation. What you described is a very well known concept in economics:
Broken Window Fallacy
Where is the downside?
Why was this marked as Troll?
Just because there is a politically-related word inside, doesn't mean that it is in any way disruptive to the discussion!
This is the greatest response to this matter I've ever read.
Nearly every single story about scientific progress has a thread where someone belittles the scientist. I wish that every one of those threads would have a response similar to yours.
Thank you so much for posting this! It is gems like this that keeps us coming back to this site.
You are not alone in seeing garbage instead of quote marks, as it rendered it like that for myself as well.
I am curious about this as well. Could it be Unicode to ASCII conversion?
Classic case of the problem with intellectuals. Yes you need them but if you get too many of them they cause Socialism and ruin for reasons which have been explored in enough depth in the literature that I won't bother with a Cliff's Notes summary here.
Intellectuals cause socialism?
During the revolution in Russia, intellectuals (Intelligacia I think in Russian) were quite literally lined up against the wall and shot or sent to Siberia. What happened in the following decades was some of the most extreme examples of socialism. Government wasn't anywhere near democratic either.
Unless I am missing something obvious, I would say it is the lack of intellectuals that fuels socialism.
Would you want to communicate with sentient meat?
Why are you here?
Where are you going?
Have a look at broken window fallacy.
Not everyone wins. Just someone else is paying the price
Just 16 metric tons and it is currently the largest we can do?!
What the hell happened to Energia's blueprints? That baby could place 100 metric tons into LEO!
Yes we all grieve about that cancelled research.
On the bright side, I heard that Bush had withdrawn the US from the treaty that prohibits fision reactors in space. So hopefully this program will be resurrected.
While we are complaining, where are:
Planescape Torment
Descent: Freespace 1 & 2
The Longest Journey
System Shock 1 & 2
Knights of the Old Republic
Sid Myer's Alpha Centauri
Baldur's Gate series
Thief series
Deus Ex (first only)
Morrowind
Fallout 1 & 2
Grim Fandago
Homeworld
Icewind Dale series
Myst series
Total Annihilation
And these are just off the top of my head. I am sure I had forgoten some.
Your proposal would mean the end to all the space science in the United States. NASA does more than just handle maintenance of various space vehicles.
Lacking some government funded agency to oversee the missions of pure science, without tangible returns, you will never again see things like Hubble, Cassini, Mars rovers, deep space probes (Like the New Horizons probe currently on the way to Pluto), etc. I am sure that countries like Russia will still be doing these things, so space science will not TOTALLY be dead, but how is it in our advantage to scrap these capabilities that we had painstakingly built up over so long?
For no shareholder will ever support vast expenditures to get pretty pictures or hard, unatractive data that they have no immediate use for.
The water will come from the breath of the workers working inside the warehouse. The submitter did not specify that computers will be sealed off in an air-proof no-go zone.
Another possible source would be faults in the insulation to the area outside. If the machine is near the frequently used door, there would be plenty of condensation after a few days.