Plus, if I do some of those horrible things I never thought I'd do to get those drugs, then there are already laws in place to punish me. If I kill someone? Steal something? Break and enter? People do these things all the time without the help of drugs, and they are arrested and incarcerated for it. I don't see how legalizing drugs will change this.
Well... I don't want to get into a debate about "free will" here, but if you take something that compels you physically to consume more of it then I'd say that your choice no longer applies... Especially if it involves you breaking into my car, harassing someone because they wouldn't pay you for squegeeing their car, or assaulting them on the street.
The point is that that your mind is made of chemicals and no matter how much will power you have there are somethings you can't control.
Sure, I don't like drugs myself (even cigarettes and pot), but I've had enough experience with them in my past to know through other people what happens.
Personally, I think everyone has a right to do anything to themselves they want. Be it suicide, drugs, or self torture.
But when you consume something that causes you to do things to me, I don't like it.
However, ever since they started gentrifying the city, I haven't had to deal with crazy squegee men anymore.
The whole thing was silly.. what was he meant to do? Sit at home, wringing his hands?
I've always been under the opinion that if you are the leader of a nation, you should be forbidden to take vacations because of your extremely important responsibility.
In Korea for example, if a minor scandal errupts and the PM is found playing golf, he'll usually resign out of shame.
In the instance, I'm speaking of it was only over subway workers union strike.
But my opinion might be a bit brutal, but if you have been elected your nations most powerful position you should be constantly working until the day you leave office and not wasting tax payer's money by going on lavish trips.
Drugs are glamourized in a sense and this would be the case whether they were legal or not. Music, movies, television all play a part in it. Same goes for alcohol. However, most people are not hooked on alcohol as quickly as they are with crack and meth. If they were, I'd think it would be reasonable to outlaw alcohol again.
Um... When was the last time you've seen a movie glamourizing crack, heroine, or meth?
Well, Monster Party kind of, but remember in the end he murdered his drug dealer and went to prison for it so I suppose that isn't glamourizing.
The point is, Pot is no more dangerous and addicting than most forms of alcohol.
Cocaine and X won't kill you outright unless you do stupid things and most people can take them and never get addicted.
Heroine, meth, and crack on the other hand will kill you and make you do things that you never thought you'd ever do in your life to get those drugs.
Personally, I'm all for legalizing Pot and maybe even cocaine if they find some method of controling the amount a person can get, but for FFS no one in their right mind should ever legalize household meth, crack, and heroine.
I live in an city with over 300 murders per year and I will tell you Dave Chapell's immitation of a crack feind is pretty spot on except its not funny when you meet one.
Someone please page me when they create a Hyperactive Bob that functions as a CFO. It would really help with the predictability of workflow.
I remember reading somewhere about someone speculating that the first groups to create StrongAI would be corporations looking for someone to be there CEO's. They would have the money to build the computers and since these things would be smarter than the average CEO and all knowing, they would be able to tool any company with their brainpower unless of course the other competitors had a StrongAI as well... Maybe short story I read... Ah well. Can't remember now.
But good luck getting a bunch of minimum wage high school employees to take directions from a computer. Managers have a hard enough time keeping them in line.
*scene kid at fast food job looking at his schedule on the model Fast Food 209 computer* Kid: What come in at work at 6am for the breakfast shift? Bah make me! Computer: Please drop your insubordination! You have 10 seconds to comply or face termination! 10... 9... 8... Kid: Ok. Ok... I'll come at 6am! Computer: 7... 6... 5... Kid: But, but I said I'd come into work tomorrow! Computer: 4... 3... Kid: Oh god no! Somebody help me!!! Computer: 2... 1... YOUR FIRED!
And to add to what you said (and I don't understand why they marked you as a troll) is that people often ask me what books I used to study or what classes I took and I often shock the people that ask by telling me "I never took a class on computer in my entire life nor do I read books on them!" (Ok... I took intro to C++ and Unix basics in college but we are talking about windows and reparing home PCs not programming)
To learn computers, you need to get one and mess with it without fear of breaking and again... Put yourself in a situation where you can see as many problems as possible like working at a computer store, geek squad, or volunteer to repair whenever you can.
Most problems will not be found on a book, but most of them are found on Google groups, but don't always use that for a reference because there are plenty of times in which you'll see a problem that was never reference by a book nor google groups.
I did computer repair in the days before Google so we really didn't have that as a tool (or crutch) but sometimes it helps just to ask others who are willing to help and are familiar. Computers aren't predictable enough to be able to look their error messages up in a book. Sometimes you have to know the feeling and relate info together (you know... burning modem smell vs the sound of a dead hard drive) to get your solutions.
Truth be told, I learned 95% of what I know about computers from hands on at a local computer store. The other 5% was me trying to get games to play on a old POS computer which I slowly upgraded over time.
The unique benefit of working at a small shop computer repair shop is that you get all sorts of computers coming in with all of them having mostly different problems. One of the games I loved to play is (and our motto of the store was) "Never format!"
Believe it or not, many windows problems can be solved before going all the way to the final towell throw with the complete format... And never ever ever use the restore disks dell sends you... You won't learn much by formatting and reinstalling all the time.
But if you look up and learn reg hacks and other tricks you can fix problems the hard way which leads to more experience.
Besides... Customers get pissy when they bring their computer in to install a network card and you hand it back to them and said you had to format the box because it installing right.
It also appears that Rick Santorum, Senator from my state, will be unseated this fall unless the new electronic voting machines can be surrepticiously rigged after testing
Well to be fair, Mr. Santorum is an evil evil man... Of course anyone who uses religion to get votes is quite morally dubious.
Slight correction, the feds are arguing the footable MIGHT show G8 protesters lighting the car. Josh says there is no such thing on his video
I'm confused on this matter and it is always a gray area, but could this be protected under the 5th? It appears they are asking him to testify against himself or at least provide evidence against himself. If the authorities cannot find the evidence with a warrant then shouldn't this be protected by the 5th?
Still being put in jail over something that may or may not exist is quite questionable in itself.
He didn't come to the last BBQ we organized. He spends all his days (and nights, I guess) behind his computer playing WoW.
To be fair, when I was 14, the last thing on Earth I wanted to do would be go to a family event. Heck... When I went to family re-unions, I'd either bring my NES or old school Gameboy and hide somewhere.
Considering the amount of time playing Doom and BBS games and then later MUDs I can see where he is coming from though. But if its affecting school or he's going crazy and threatining someone's life because they stole his cloud song... Well...
Wireless "everything" is hugely overhyped. Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?
About 5 years ago when I was a lowly A+ certified computer shop tech, people would pay me crap loads of money to come out to their house and setup their already preconfigured computer. This usually involved me crawling under the desk and plugging color coordinated colors into their rights spots and then adjusting the cables so they look clean and then booting up the computer and then leaving.
Had our customers took about 90 seconds to look at the instructions and plugged the cables into the right hole (including the usb and parallel printer cables) they would have saved themselves quite a bit of money.
But... The average consumer has a real big aversion to plugging in cables even if there is no possible way to get the configuration wrong (well... I don't know how many times I've gotten calls about people getting the keyboard and mouse mixed up when they used the PS2 connectors)
So for the average user, being able to open the box and not plug in any wires (except maybe power) is a god send.
Well the point of their stories is that they dropped out to start their own business. No one ever got rich by getting a college degree and then sitting in a cubicle all day filling out TPS reports for a corporation.
I don't even have an opinion as to the goodness or not about the utilization... don't necessarily care people aren't using more than 5% of their machine -- but it's more a reflection of the effectiveness of the marketing of computers than their necessity and usefulness. Owning a machine like Dell's doesn't suggest a need.
Two things.
First, people like to overcompensate for things they could never use but for status. Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?
Secondly, computers age quite fast. If you buy a computer, it is reasonable to overcompensate because in 2-3 years an average computer will be out of date and underpowered. The top of the line computer today will be the below average in 5 years but you still can get some life out of it.
And maybe the fork in the computing world can finally focus on useful applications and customer service rather than eye-candy translucent windowing graphics.
The truth is that eye-candy sells.
Otherwise if it was all about utility, we'd all be using Redhat Linux 5 today with Gnome desktop.;)
The truth of the matter is PHB's and Joe Sixpack are easily impressed by computers that look as futuristic as possible. At least as much so as those fake OS's they see in movies ("Zoom the image to the right hand side and enhance by 50%!")
Although when you combine utility and asthetics like OS X, then you have a pretty good balance.
I don't see how it was restrictive. I just bought it with my credit card, and BAM, I was downloading it immediately. The day it came out, BAM, it was installed and I was playing within 30 minutes, not bad considering their servers were dying under heavy strain.
My problem is that I can't get Steam to connect to the server. I bought Red Orcherstra at the store but I could never get it to work on my room mate's PC short of formatting and since it wasn't my PC I coulnd't do that. (My main computers are PPC macs)
That and I've heard horror stories and when Steam accounts go bad and you loose the games you paid for and have to buy them again.
So yeah... Thats a feature. Not a bug. If you really want to do serious work on mission critial finacial spread sheet data entry... You need something other than a microsoft product like Oracle, and SAP says.
However, if you are a small company and don't need something that accurate or redundant (you know like only 4 people are going to be working on the data at a time instead of thousands) then Excel is quite a good product.
But those small houses don't really need VBA unless they can't get their data into a pivot table or an Access report.
However, VBA is really useful for automated tasks such as data manipulation and repetative tasks. Which most people that I see working on Macs do not do much off since they are really small houses or doing desktop publishing.
If all macro functionality is gone, it would be a large interoperability problem.
If you had any experience with VBA and Office 2004, you would notice that a great deal of code that works fine in Office 2003 does not work as intended (or at all) on a Mac. It is kind of a pain if you try to make macros that work on both systems.
So it is like disqualifying a guy with two amputated legs from running the 100 meter race because he did steroids.
Apple better get their "Tables" (aka their Excel equivalent to Pages) working asap. And it better be fully compatible with VBA too.
Why VBA? Why not Apple Script? Heck... MS Entourage 2004 does a great job with integrating with Apple scripts.
As it was, VBA for Office 2004 had some serious problems and limitations. Cost that works fine on a PC does not work on a Mac a great deal of the times. My coworker found that by writing VBA that only has commands and functions for Excel 7 appears to be a workaround.
1. the internet is not going to make less people behave in herds
2. the internet isn't going to make more people behave independently
No, but the internet can enable you to control those herds. I can't remember the exact term, but I marketing and PR gurus often targets the social "herd leaders" in viral marketing to be more efficient.
So if it's 180B light-years wide, but 15B years old, does that mean that on average, if it started as a singularity, it has expanded at 10x the speed of light since the beginning of time?(tm) Do I get the Nobel prize in physics now?
Speed of light is constant, but time itself is not. Time is relative to where you are in the universe and how fast you are traveling. As in the ratio to light years to actual years is kind of iffy depending on how far and how fast you travel.
You know... Travel at the speed of light for 5 years and come back to find a couple thousand have passed on your home planet.
Of course I could be horribly wrong about this because I'm no astrophysicist.
hen you get down to it, we have little to fear from nano-sized robots that we don't have to fear from, say, bacteria - who already have billions of years' worth of experience in the just-above-the-nano-scale operations.
If you ever happened to read Ray Kurzweil's, The Singularity is Near, he argues that the evidence that nanotechnology is possible is the human body, viruses, and bacteria. Chances are that the first nanotechnologies will resemble our own cells if not just modified versions of them. When we talk about grey goo and the like most people envision little tiny robot spiders manufacturing everything into themselves.
However, we would more likely see a super virus or bacteria that kills off 50% of the population before we would see that. However, I'd like to point out gray goo is possible, but concrete and non-organic material would be resistance for a while. All the nanoids would have to do is process air, water, and sunlight much like plants.
Think of it like a super plankton consuming the ocean and all life as long as it has sunlight and the ability to break down water into oxygen and hydrogen.
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Plus, if I do some of those horrible things I never thought I'd do to get those drugs, then there are already laws in place to punish me. If I kill someone? Steal something? Break and enter? People do these things all the time without the help of drugs, and they are arrested and incarcerated for it. I don't see how legalizing drugs will change this.
Well... I don't want to get into a debate about "free will" here, but if you take something that compels you physically to consume more of it then I'd say that your choice no longer applies... Especially if it involves you breaking into my car, harassing someone because they wouldn't pay you for squegeeing their car, or assaulting them on the street.
The point is that that your mind is made of chemicals and no matter how much will power you have there are somethings you can't control.
Sure, I don't like drugs myself (even cigarettes and pot), but I've had enough experience with them in my past to know through other people what happens.
Personally, I think everyone has a right to do anything to themselves they want. Be it suicide, drugs, or self torture.
But when you consume something that causes you to do things to me, I don't like it.
However, ever since they started gentrifying the city, I haven't had to deal with crazy squegee men anymore.
The whole thing was silly.. what was he meant to do? Sit at home, wringing his hands?
I've always been under the opinion that if you are the leader of a nation, you should be forbidden to take vacations because of your extremely important responsibility.
In Korea for example, if a minor scandal errupts and the PM is found playing golf, he'll usually resign out of shame.
In the instance, I'm speaking of it was only over subway workers union strike.
But my opinion might be a bit brutal, but if you have been elected your nations most powerful position you should be constantly working until the day you leave office and not wasting tax payer's money by going on lavish trips.
Drugs are glamourized in a sense and this would be the case whether they were legal or not. Music, movies, television all play a part in it. Same goes for alcohol. However, most people are not hooked on alcohol as quickly as they are with crack and meth. If they were, I'd think it would be reasonable to outlaw alcohol again.
Um... When was the last time you've seen a movie glamourizing crack, heroine, or meth?
Well, Monster Party kind of, but remember in the end he murdered his drug dealer and went to prison for it so I suppose that isn't glamourizing.
The point is, Pot is no more dangerous and addicting than most forms of alcohol.
Cocaine and X won't kill you outright unless you do stupid things and most people can take them and never get addicted.
Heroine, meth, and crack on the other hand will kill you and make you do things that you never thought you'd ever do in your life to get those drugs.
Personally, I'm all for legalizing Pot and maybe even cocaine if they find some method of controling the amount a person can get, but for FFS no one in their right mind should ever legalize household meth, crack, and heroine.
I live in an city with over 300 murders per year and I will tell you Dave Chapell's immitation of a crack feind is pretty spot on except its not funny when you meet one.
Someone please page me when they create a Hyperactive Bob that functions as a CFO. It would really help with the predictability of workflow.
I remember reading somewhere about someone speculating that the first groups to create StrongAI would be corporations looking for someone to be there CEO's. They would have the money to build the computers and since these things would be smarter than the average CEO and all knowing, they would be able to tool any company with their brainpower unless of course the other competitors had a StrongAI as well... Maybe short story I read... Ah well. Can't remember now.
But good luck getting a bunch of minimum wage high school employees to take directions from a computer. Managers have a hard enough time keeping them in line.
*scene kid at fast food job looking at his schedule on the model Fast Food 209 computer*
Kid: What come in at work at 6am for the breakfast shift? Bah make me!
Computer: Please drop your insubordination! You have 10 seconds to comply or face termination! 10... 9... 8...
Kid: Ok. Ok... I'll come at 6am!
Computer: 7... 6... 5...
Kid: But, but I said I'd come into work tomorrow!
Computer: 4... 3...
Kid: Oh god no! Somebody help me!!!
Computer: 2... 1... YOUR FIRED!
And to add to what you said (and I don't understand why they marked you as a troll) is that people often ask me what books I used to study or what classes I took and I often shock the people that ask by telling me "I never took a class on computer in my entire life nor do I read books on them!" (Ok... I took intro to C++ and Unix basics in college but we are talking about windows and reparing home PCs not programming)
To learn computers, you need to get one and mess with it without fear of breaking and again... Put yourself in a situation where you can see as many problems as possible like working at a computer store, geek squad, or volunteer to repair whenever you can.
Most problems will not be found on a book, but most of them are found on Google groups, but don't always use that for a reference because there are plenty of times in which you'll see a problem that was never reference by a book nor google groups.
I did computer repair in the days before Google so we really didn't have that as a tool (or crutch) but sometimes it helps just to ask others who are willing to help and are familiar. Computers aren't predictable enough to be able to look their error messages up in a book. Sometimes you have to know the feeling and relate info together (you know... burning modem smell vs the sound of a dead hard drive) to get your solutions.
Truth be told, I learned 95% of what I know about computers from hands on at a local computer store. The other 5% was me trying to get games to play on a old POS computer which I slowly upgraded over time.
The unique benefit of working at a small shop computer repair shop is that you get all sorts of computers coming in with all of them having mostly different problems. One of the games I loved to play is (and our motto of the store was) "Never format!"
Believe it or not, many windows problems can be solved before going all the way to the final towell throw with the complete format... And never ever ever use the restore disks dell sends you... You won't learn much by formatting and reinstalling all the time.
But if you look up and learn reg hacks and other tricks you can fix problems the hard way which leads to more experience.
Besides... Customers get pissy when they bring their computer in to install a network card and you hand it back to them and said you had to format the box because it installing right.
I'm not happy with Sony as a company, but I'm pretty happy with my hacked PSP.
Which is why Sony is not happy with you!
Has there ever been a case where a journalist has withheld evidence of a crime and been protected for it?
Yes, but usually only in instances where government was commiting the crime.
It also appears that Rick Santorum, Senator from my state, will be unseated this fall unless the new electronic voting machines can be surrepticiously rigged after testing
Well to be fair, Mr. Santorum is an evil evil man... Of course anyone who uses religion to get votes is quite morally dubious.
Slight correction, the feds are arguing the footable MIGHT show G8 protesters lighting the car. Josh says there is no such thing on his video
I'm confused on this matter and it is always a gray area, but could this be protected under the 5th? It appears they are asking him to testify against himself or at least provide evidence against himself. If the authorities cannot find the evidence with a warrant then shouldn't this be protected by the 5th?
Still being put in jail over something that may or may not exist is quite questionable in itself.
He didn't come to the last BBQ we organized. He spends all his days (and nights, I guess) behind his computer playing WoW.
To be fair, when I was 14, the last thing on Earth I wanted to do would be go to a family event. Heck... When I went to family re-unions, I'd either bring my NES or old school Gameboy and hide somewhere.
Considering the amount of time playing Doom and BBS games and then later MUDs I can see where he is coming from though. But if its affecting school or he's going crazy and threatining someone's life because they stole his cloud song... Well...
Wireless "everything" is hugely overhyped. Yes, a wireless mouse is nice because it doesn't snag, but why do I need a wireless printer? Or a wireless monitor? Or anything else that's largely static for its lifetime?
About 5 years ago when I was a lowly A+ certified computer shop tech, people would pay me crap loads of money to come out to their house and setup their already preconfigured computer. This usually involved me crawling under the desk and plugging color coordinated colors into their rights spots and then adjusting the cables so they look clean and then booting up the computer and then leaving.
Had our customers took about 90 seconds to look at the instructions and plugged the cables into the right hole (including the usb and parallel printer cables) they would have saved themselves quite a bit of money.
But... The average consumer has a real big aversion to plugging in cables even if there is no possible way to get the configuration wrong (well... I don't know how many times I've gotten calls about people getting the keyboard and mouse mixed up when they used the PS2 connectors)
So for the average user, being able to open the box and not plug in any wires (except maybe power) is a god send.
How wide the page should be is the user's decision, not yours!
Not if they click "agree" with my site's EULA!
Of course if they happen to be using IE and hit yes on that Active X install popup, we can change their screen resolution for them.
Well the point of their stories is that they dropped out to start their own business. No one ever got rich by getting a college degree and then sitting in a cubicle all day filling out TPS reports for a corporation.
I don't even have an opinion as to the goodness or not about the utilization... don't necessarily care people aren't using more than 5% of their machine -- but it's more a reflection of the effectiveness of the marketing of computers than their necessity and usefulness. Owning a machine like Dell's doesn't suggest a need.
Two things.
First, people like to overcompensate for things they could never use but for status. Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?
Secondly, computers age quite fast. If you buy a computer, it is reasonable to overcompensate because in 2-3 years an average computer will be out of date and underpowered. The top of the line computer today will be the below average in 5 years but you still can get some life out of it.
Remember 640K ought to be enough for anyone.
And maybe the fork in the computing world can finally focus on useful applications and customer service rather than eye-candy translucent windowing graphics.
;)
The truth is that eye-candy sells.
Otherwise if it was all about utility, we'd all be using Redhat Linux 5 today with Gnome desktop.
The truth of the matter is PHB's and Joe Sixpack are easily impressed by computers that look as futuristic as possible. At least as much so as those fake OS's they see in movies ("Zoom the image to the right hand side and enhance by 50%!")
Although when you combine utility and asthetics like OS X, then you have a pretty good balance.
Are there really people whose heartbeat rises when some new tech is introduced ?
Yes and more so when the stock price rises too.
Unfortunatley, we aren't seeing $90 Apple shares anytime too (which I was hoping for yesterday)
I don't see how it was restrictive. I just bought it with my credit card, and BAM, I was downloading it immediately. The day it came out, BAM, it was installed and I was playing within 30 minutes, not bad considering their servers were dying under heavy strain.
My problem is that I can't get Steam to connect to the server. I bought Red Orcherstra at the store but I could never get it to work on my room mate's PC short of formatting and since it wasn't my PC I coulnd't do that. (My main computers are PPC macs)
That and I've heard horror stories and when Steam accounts go bad and you loose the games you paid for and have to buy them again.
Despite what SAS, Oracle and everyone tells you, many key business processes boil down to VB macros in Excel spreadsheets.
True. But most of those places don't use macs, nor are ever going to consider it.
Secondly, it is often speculated that Excel errors cause millions of lost revenue because of rounding problems and user error.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/78113/
So yeah... Thats a feature. Not a bug. If you really want to do serious work on mission critial finacial spread sheet data entry... You need something other than a microsoft product like Oracle, and SAP says.
However, if you are a small company and don't need something that accurate or redundant (you know like only 4 people are going to be working on the data at a time instead of thousands) then Excel is quite a good product.
But those small houses don't really need VBA unless they can't get their data into a pivot table or an Access report.
However, VBA is really useful for automated tasks such as data manipulation and repetative tasks. Which most people that I see working on Macs do not do much off since they are really small houses or doing desktop publishing.
If all macro functionality is gone, it would be a large interoperability problem.
If you had any experience with VBA and Office 2004, you would notice that a great deal of code that works fine in Office 2003 does not work as intended (or at all) on a Mac. It is kind of a pain if you try to make macros that work on both systems.
So it is like disqualifying a guy with two amputated legs from running the 100 meter race because he did steroids.
Apple better get their "Tables" (aka their Excel equivalent to Pages) working asap. And it better be fully compatible with VBA too.
Why VBA? Why not Apple Script? Heck... MS Entourage 2004 does a great job with integrating with Apple scripts.
As it was, VBA for Office 2004 had some serious problems and limitations. Cost that works fine on a PC does not work on a Mac a great deal of the times. My coworker found that by writing VBA that only has commands and functions for Excel 7 appears to be a workaround.
1. the internet is not going to make less people behave in herds
2. the internet isn't going to make more people behave independently
No, but the internet can enable you to control those herds. I can't remember the exact term, but I marketing and PR gurus often targets the social "herd leaders" in viral marketing to be more efficient.
So if it's 180B light-years wide, but 15B years old, does that mean that on average, if it started as a singularity, it has expanded at 10x the speed of light since the beginning of time?(tm) Do I get the Nobel prize in physics now?
Speed of light is constant, but time itself is not. Time is relative to where you are in the universe and how fast you are traveling. As in the ratio to light years to actual years is kind of iffy depending on how far and how fast you travel.
You know... Travel at the speed of light for 5 years and come back to find a couple thousand have passed on your home planet.
Of course I could be horribly wrong about this because I'm no astrophysicist.
hen you get down to it, we have little to fear from nano-sized robots that we don't have to fear from, say, bacteria - who already have billions of years' worth of experience in the just-above-the-nano-scale operations.
If you ever happened to read Ray Kurzweil's, The Singularity is Near, he argues that the evidence that nanotechnology is possible is the human body, viruses, and bacteria. Chances are that the first nanotechnologies will resemble our own cells if not just modified versions of them. When we talk about grey goo and the like most people envision little tiny robot spiders manufacturing everything into themselves.
However, we would more likely see a super virus or bacteria that kills off 50% of the population before we would see that. However, I'd like to point out gray goo is possible, but concrete and non-organic material would be resistance for a while. All the nanoids would have to do is process air, water, and sunlight much like plants.
Think of it like a super plankton consuming the ocean and all life as long as it has sunlight and the ability to break down water into oxygen and hydrogen.