Ha ha ha... it's really funny that you called the lawn ornament analogy inapplicable because that was the whole point. See, people that don't wish to download anything that would be covered by this 5 dollar fee also don't want to pay this 5 dollar fee.
FWIW, I had lost my password to this account a long time ago and the email address associated with it was gone (linuxfreak.com free address I think, something like that) and I just emailed Rob (who didn't actually respond himself but sent it on to someone else... this was a long time ago).
Anythehellway, I was able to prove who I was and I got the UID back. Not sure if they'd do that now.
But I guess if your second account is in the 5000s you probably don't really care anymore.... oh, but how cool would a 3-digit be???
Turn them in for what and to whom? Until the software has been installed no crime has been committed.
Oh, sure, something about hiring a hitman or something... the company committed a crime by asking an employee to violate copyright.
This is simply one of those "If you have to ask..." questions. This person is simply in over his or her head. Seriously, anyone coming to Slashdot to ask a question like this ABOUT THEIR JOB isn't qualified to hold the position that they do.
BTW, this isn't directed at you stinerman, but I have read as far as I can stomach into this thread.
-GA
P.S. The correct answer is obvious: You don't install the software because that's your choice. You made the choice the instant you hesitated. Duh. What happens next is entirely out of your control. You'll probably be killed.
He was suspicious and had the initial customer service rep make a note in his account stating that the rate is.002 cents per KB. You did read his blog and/or listen to the audio, right?
And if you'd listened to the audio you would know that they refuse to accept the price being.002 dollars... they correct him that it's.002 cents.
The only way he'll get this fixed (his bill adjusted to the price he was quoted) is to get Verizon's attention in the press. Or something.
Why don't they just have the developers use ssh2 keys? I didn't know anyone actually used passwords on secure systems for authentication...
Agreed. Don't we all know this already? I don't have anywhere near the number of users that Debian does, but it's keys all the way.
On the other hand, if they used a weak password for something as serious as Debian developer access who's to say that their workstation/personal network/whatever wouldn't be compromised and leak the encrypted key and then the key (assuming they have a weak passphrase).
It would be way to easy for people to learn about the problems that microsoft has riddled the world with.
Fine, but then wouldn't security/bug comparisons with open operating systems be skewed heavily in Microsoft's favor? I suspect that if they truly are hiding something, it is more about marketing than security.
Learn to read. I said "...might leave you with an unusable system". Keyword: might. Failed upgrades are not always the case. It does happen sometimes. Do you understand now? Besides, it also depends on the system itself and what is installed. Now go drink some coffee.
That's one of the most useless things I've read here. So, to make sure I get you: Taking some action might result in some other undesired action. Further, taking your original statement to heart... you're saying that Linspire removes the possibility of problems through upgrade? Wow.
You are either extremely ignorant, a fanboy, or on the payroll.
Has it occurred to you that Apple may not have chosen KHTML if it hadn't been clean code?
Maybe instead of bashing KHTML you should bash Gecko (or whatever they call it, not sure) for not being quality enough code for Apple to want to use it.
(as an aside, IME, KHTML is fast, has the features I use/need, and it's behavior is good for the sites I visit though I realize this may not apply to everyone.)
You're speaking out your ass: Most places that store login information encrypt it before it hits the database. Even more paranoia can be had if you have someone like me who uses javascript to md5 the password before sending it over the wire.
Holy crap! I hope this is supposed to be funny. You do realize that by pre-encrypting the password you effectively make the crypted password in the database a plaintext password?
So at best, an admin will have access to a hash of your password.
Which in your javascript MD5 scheme above is the same as a plaintext password.
Now, even if you are using a different method for the javascript encryption, you still need to get the plaintext password back on the server to encrypt it again with the same method used in the database hash so that you can compare to two hashes to make sure they match.
Either that or you've left out some important detail.
The reason I want Qt to be cheap is specifically so it does become massively widespread. This will make platform dependance a thing of the past. This helps us all.
No, you want QT to be cheap so you can make more profit through Trolltech making less profit. If, as another poster has mentioned below, it's so easy to offer a cross platform toolkit on par with QT at such a great price and still remain a viable company, why don't you do it? Why doesn't someone else do it? (Remember, Microsoft is not cross platform).
Do you really believe that Microsoft wouldn't charge more for a cross platform toolkit? Honestly?
Trolltech has already helped us all. KDE uses QT for free and has produced an excellent environment. Developers that have a grasp on their cash flow buy commercial QT licenses and make money selling their programs. Then there are people like you that can bitch about having to pay Trolltech money by trolling on Slashdot. See? Everybody wins!
I know that the people, not unlike yourself, who use the internet for downloading "Star Wars"
You're wrong on that point, but I certainly can't fault you for that assumption considering where we are.
Of course, I guess you could log IPs from the other side but...but...but...
Hmm... well, this would help you if all you needed/wanted to do was try to stop the next attack. It's useless (as you are well aware) if the ISP that owns that particular IP has no idea who used it. It's also useless in preventing the next attack if it is a dynamic IP unless you are willing to block more than/32s.
I empathize with the desire to make the internet a safer place. I really do.
But tracking everyone's actions on the internet does not make the world a better place. It has the potential to make *your* job/bottom line/whatever better and that's not something I care about. (Nothing personal)
So what's your opinion of Morgan Stanley being fined over 1 billion for not keeping email around? It seems like the same sort of case, yet the sentiment there was they were probably guilty, so it was ok. With copyright infringement, the sentiment is, the users are probably guilty, but they should be protected anyway.
That's a great point. IMO, the fine is wrong. Here's why: Assuming Morgan Stanley IS guilty of whatever the hell they are accused of doing, keeping records to prove your own guilt is nearly a violation of the 5th amendment. Or, at least, preventing such self-incriminating evidence to come to light could be considered exercising ones right to plead the fifth.
On the other hand, Morgan Stanley is not a person so these rights do not (should not) exist for them so fuck 'em.
In conclusion, my opinion is that ISPs should be required to destroy that data as soon as it's only purpose is to inform against their own customers. I think that because I constantly see advertisements for high speed internet access telling me that I can download music and movies faster that freaking ever. It's almost as if these ISPs are enticing me to download movies and music that I would otherwise not download because I would not have able to because my internet connection would not allow it to be possible. That's close enough to entrapment for me to *form my opinion*.
Maybe sometimes it is hard to figure out if the boy is crying wolf, but sometimes it's worth it to find out before assuming that it's just a cheap ploy by a bunch of whiny teachers who want to buy another vacation house in Aruba.
So they already have one house in Aruba and I'm supposed to actually care that they might not be making enough money?
I interviewed at UPS and we did a tour, a monitor fell off a conveyor belt. Everyone heard the tube pop, and the crash of glass, but one of the employees just tossed it back as if nothing had happened.
That sucks, but the person that shipped these monitors should have put them in boxes.
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Problem solving skills is HUGE. Of course, the only way to have a chance at proving you have problem solving skills is through your experience.
I cringe when my coworkers' first thought is to call tech support.
Which BluRay dics have you watched? I'd like to avoid them if they look as crappy as a DVD, even upscaled.
For me, everytime I watch a BluRay disc it's as WOW as when I first tuned into DiscoveryHD when I first got the HDTV.
But even the overcompressed HD of some of the cable channels is better than DVD.
Ha ha ha... it's really funny that you called the lawn ornament analogy inapplicable because that was the whole point. See, people that don't wish to download anything that would be covered by this 5 dollar fee also don't want to pay this 5 dollar fee.
FWIW, I had lost my password to this account a long time ago and the email address associated with it was gone (linuxfreak.com free address I think, something like that) and I just emailed Rob (who didn't actually respond himself but sent it on to someone else... this was a long time ago).
Anythehellway, I was able to prove who I was and I got the UID back. Not sure if they'd do that now.
But I guess if your second account is in the 5000s you probably don't really care anymore.... oh, but how cool would a 3-digit be???
-Ted
From what it looks like, you have 3 options:
1) Quit
2) Turn them in
Turn them in for what and to whom? Until the software has been installed no crime has been committed.
Oh, sure, something about hiring a hitman or something... the company committed a crime by asking an employee to violate copyright.
This is simply one of those "If you have to ask..." questions. This person is simply in over his or her head. Seriously, anyone coming to Slashdot to ask a question like this ABOUT THEIR JOB isn't qualified to hold the position that they do.
BTW, this isn't directed at you stinerman, but I have read as far as I can stomach into this thread.
-GA
P.S. The correct answer is obvious: You don't install the software because that's your choice. You made the choice the instant you hesitated. Duh. What happens next is entirely out of your control. You'll probably be killed.
He was suspicious and had the initial customer service rep make a note in his account stating that the rate is .002 cents per KB. You did read his blog and/or listen to the audio, right?
.002 dollars... they correct him that it's .002 cents.
And if you'd listened to the audio you would know that they refuse to accept the price being
The only way he'll get this fixed (his bill adjusted to the price he was quoted) is to get Verizon's attention in the press. Or something.
Can you do math now?
Why don't they just have the developers use ssh2 keys? I didn't know anyone actually used passwords on secure systems for authentication...
Agreed. Don't we all know this already? I don't have anywhere near the number of users that Debian does, but it's keys all the way.
On the other hand, if they used a weak password for something as serious as Debian developer access who's to say that their workstation/personal network/whatever wouldn't be compromised and leak the encrypted key and then the key (assuming they have a weak passphrase).
I smell a sleeper.
It would be way to easy for people to learn about the problems that microsoft has riddled the world with.
Fine, but then wouldn't security/bug comparisons with open operating systems be skewed heavily in Microsoft's favor? I suspect that if they truly are hiding something, it is more about marketing than security.
Sleep with their women.
Evolution is NOT a theory about how life started!
Apparently they didn't teach you anything.
TalkOrigins
Learn to read. I said "...might leave you with an unusable system". Keyword: might. Failed upgrades are not always the case. It does happen sometimes. Do you understand now? Besides, it also depends on the system itself and what is installed. Now go drink some coffee.
That's one of the most useless things I've read here. So, to make sure I get you: Taking some action might result in some other undesired action. Further, taking your original statement to heart... you're saying that Linspire removes the possibility of problems through upgrade? Wow.
You are either extremely ignorant, a fanboy, or on the payroll.
Its the ale!
(apostrophe omitted for extra humor)
brain was preciously it's
Dumbass
I didn't think our brains were binary. I thought that part of the difficulty in reproducing a mechanical brain was preciously it's shades of grey.
Granted, I'm somewhere over 30. Are younger people that dumb nowadays?
Has it occurred to you that Apple may not have chosen KHTML if it hadn't been clean code?
Maybe instead of bashing KHTML you should bash Gecko (or whatever they call it, not sure) for not being quality enough code for Apple to want to use it.
(as an aside, IME, KHTML is fast, has the features I use/need, and it's behavior is good for the sites I visit though I realize this may not apply to everyone.)
You're speaking out your ass: Most places that store login information encrypt it before it hits the database. Even more paranoia can be had if you have someone like me who uses javascript to md5 the password before sending it over the wire.
Holy crap! I hope this is supposed to be funny. You do realize that by pre-encrypting the password you effectively make the crypted password in the database a plaintext password?
So at best, an admin will have access to a hash of your password.
Which in your javascript MD5 scheme above is the same as a plaintext password.
Now, even if you are using a different method for the javascript encryption, you still need to get the plaintext password back on the server to encrypt it again with the same method used in the database hash so that you can compare to two hashes to make sure they match.
Either that or you've left out some important detail.
The reason I want Qt to be cheap is specifically so it does become massively widespread. This will make platform dependance a thing of the past. This helps us all.
No, you want QT to be cheap so you can make more profit through Trolltech making less profit. If, as another poster has mentioned below, it's so easy to offer a cross platform toolkit on par with QT at such a great price and still remain a viable company, why don't you do it? Why doesn't someone else do it? (Remember, Microsoft is not cross platform).
Do you really believe that Microsoft wouldn't charge more for a cross platform toolkit? Honestly?
Trolltech has already helped us all. KDE uses QT for free and has produced an excellent environment. Developers that have a grasp on their cash flow buy commercial QT licenses and make money selling their programs. Then there are people like you that can bitch about having to pay Trolltech money by trolling on Slashdot. See? Everybody wins!
I know that the people, not unlike yourself, who use the internet for downloading "Star Wars"
/32s.
You're wrong on that point, but I certainly can't fault you for that assumption considering where we are.
Of course, I guess you could log IPs from the other side but...but...but...
Hmm... well, this would help you if all you needed/wanted to do was try to stop the next attack. It's useless (as you are well aware) if the ISP that owns that particular IP has no idea who used it. It's also useless in preventing the next attack if it is a dynamic IP unless you are willing to block more than
I empathize with the desire to make the internet a safer place. I really do.
But tracking everyone's actions on the internet does not make the world a better place. It has the potential to make *your* job/bottom line/whatever better and that's not something I care about. (Nothing personal)
So what's your opinion of Morgan Stanley being fined over 1 billion for not keeping email around? It seems like the same sort of case, yet the sentiment there was they were probably guilty, so it was ok. With copyright infringement, the sentiment is, the users are probably guilty, but they should be protected anyway.
That's a great point. IMO, the fine is wrong. Here's why: Assuming Morgan Stanley IS guilty of whatever the hell they are accused of doing, keeping records to prove your own guilt is nearly a violation of the 5th amendment. Or, at least, preventing such self-incriminating evidence to come to light could be considered exercising ones right to plead the fifth.
On the other hand, Morgan Stanley is not a person so these rights do not (should not) exist for them so fuck 'em.
In conclusion, my opinion is that ISPs should be required to destroy that data as soon as it's only purpose is to inform against their own customers. I think that because I constantly see advertisements for high speed internet access telling me that I can download music and movies faster that freaking ever. It's almost as if these ISPs are enticing me to download movies and music that I would otherwise not download because I would not have able to because my internet connection would not allow it to be possible. That's close enough to entrapment for me to *form my opinion*.
So, that is my opinion.
I'm not even going to touch your x86 means better resolution comment
LOL. Why not? The highend Apple powerbook tops out at 1440x900 which is below what's possible and common* in the x86 world.
*by common I mean that higher resolutions are not exclusive to ultra highend machines.
Why not be portable and show off and get an Apple *book?
Why not? Apple's low resolution screens. Really. I won't consider an Apple notebook until they get modern with their screen resolution.
(For those that don't know, their largest notebook, the 17" powerbook, has a max resolution of 1440x900)
Maybe sometimes it is hard to figure out if the boy is crying wolf, but sometimes it's worth it to find out before assuming that it's just a cheap ploy by a bunch of whiny teachers who want to buy another vacation house in Aruba.
So they already have one house in Aruba and I'm supposed to actually care that they might not be making enough money?
Cool... I never looked at the spec (well, I did once but that was to see the max length).
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if ever odd stuff starts happening.
1 metere. Ethernet cables have to be 1 metere minimum
What? Where does that come from and what should I do with all my 1 foot patch cables (router to switch, wireless AP to switch, etc.).
I'm not seeing any problem with them so I'm really curious what should be going wrong.
Or are you just being silly?
I interviewed at UPS and we did a tour, a monitor fell off a conveyor belt. Everyone heard the tube pop, and the crash of glass, but one of the employees just tossed it back as if nothing had happened.
That sucks, but the person that shipped these monitors should have put them in boxes.