Godels incompleteness theory springs to mind. But notice that it's called a theory as well.
I think you mean "incompleteness theorem". A theorem, once proved, is absolutley proved without a shadow of a doubt (within the parameters of your system).
So, no it is not ever called a theory by somebody who knows what they are talking about.
I guess I'll have to stick with the old standby of fuck you. Just keep that in mind next time someone breaks into your house.
Oh my god, the cops would come and fill out a report if my house got broken into. Wow Fucking Wee.
I have called the cops 2 or 3 times when something happened to me with zero result outside of getting a report filed. I have also been hospitalized by a pair of cops in a bad mood, so my record indicates I'm better off without them.
Now, if there were no cops, then the world would be a more dangerous place in many ways.
However, the primary use to which the police forces are put is as a revenue generator. They're mobile tax collectors with guns.
Most traffic laws: Designed to rip off the public.
Drug laws: Designed to rip off the public, create criminals and enrich the prison/law enforcement industry.
So please, keep your fuck you to yourself. You are going to need it.
i know this isn't a political forum. but i would like to ask for serious comments about possible solutions. if your state government is so wonderful, where is it that you find qualified, bonafide normal and caring folks to fill government jobs and elected positions?
The simple, not completely accurate, but closer than anything else answer is:
You don't.
The primary things standing in the way of a decent human being getting elected to a major office are the Democratic and Republican parties.
These parties have no constitutional basis, and no accountability. The party bosses would never dream of letting anybody who was not a complete scumbag to have a shot at a primary. If you haven't shown that you'll do what you're told by monied interests then forget it.
The other major culprit is our system of voting. It has been mathematically proven that there is no "perfect" system, but it has also been proven that the system we have is the absolute worst electoral system if the goal is to put the person most people would prefer in office.
I feel sorry for the poor soul who'll get elected as our president next because he's gonna have an almost impossible task on his hands (he'll need to take massive and very unpopular action to fix this mess being created by the current politicians).
Well, he could always try being honest, put Shrub in prison for treason and bill Asshat for all the money he spent covering up a statue since he has the maturity of a thirteen year old. That should help his popularity enormously.
I think we agree far more than we disagree (if at all). I apologize as well, since I was taking out my frustration with big generalities on you personally and that isn't fair. I've never seen your work as far as I know.
Anyhow, I'll email you at your listed address. Maybe we're in the same town and can grab a beer some time.
Fair enough. I wasn't really trying to attack you personally. I'm just fed up with the news media in this country. No offense to you, but our news services are by far the worst in the western world (informed opinion). Probably it is that that's what sells and most people here would fight tooth and nail to avoid being informed about real issues (personal experience).
So anyhow, what if instead of, "Should he write a story stating SCO's claims, followed by "on the other hand, dirty bearded hippy Richard Stallman says..."?."
You were to write, "Known rabid litigator and alleged goat felcher Darl Mcbride says...... On the other hand smelly bearded hippy Richard Stallman says....
Then you're not being more unfair to one than to the other. Any chance we'll start seeing something like that;-)
The fact that you can make such a blatant, hateful generalization demonstrates your utter lack of brains. So you claim I said a lie, and that demonstrates that all the journalistic community is crooked? Hello?
I apologise. Please replace "demonstrates" with "lends yet more evidence of". I can't really expect you to understand what I'm communicating if I do it poorly. Also, some of the following "you"s refer to you and some to your profession in general. Hopefully the context will clear it up.
No, my assertion is that it should have been reported as "Nixon claims he is not a crook". As, in fact, it was.
Certainly, at first. Then there were these people known as "investigative journalists" who knew that their job was not to just repeat the lies of a crook. They compiled evidence and proved that he was, in fact, a crook.
Wow. After 12 years of experience, I learn that I have to assume everyone is a lying piece of shit. That will do for some nice editorials, bub, but is not fact reporting.
Actually, that is reporting. What you are claiming is journalism is printing press releases from parties whose interest the release is designed to further without question. That is what is known as being a tool. It is not journalism.
Here's another example. I say, "The sky is green". You would report this as: Darby said, "The sky is green".
An actual journalist would print something more like: Darby, who has no known credentials among the scientific, skywatching, or color matching communities said, "The sky is green". According to a survey {link or other attribution} 100% of those surveyed say the sky is blue. According to researchers at {Learned institution} Green has a wavelength of between x and y nm while blue is defined as light from u to v nm. Their results {link} show that the sky is actually in the range from u to v nm. {Comments about how Darby is obviously a nitwit would most likely be reserved for an editorial}
Do you see the difference?
In the first case you're assuming I am not a lying piece of shit and you're printing complete bullshit. In the second case your default assumption is that I'm full of crap so you investigated it to make sure that what you are printing is actually true rather than intentionally misleading.
And if you have no way of demonstrating either, I assume, you report nothing? Point in case: Neteri me nor anyone had a chance to see SCOs code. So, what am I supposed to do? Pull a "Darl is a lying sack of shit" piece out of my ass to please you?
Not at all. It was reported that SCO had sent out threatening letters to users of Linux. That is true as far as it goes, but it does nothing to make sense of the issue. Adding clarification and analysis is what you're for. I could have just read about that on SCOs site and gotten the same thing. If this is all you're going to do, then what use are you?
The fact is that SCO is suing IBM over a contract dispute. Another fact is that they sent out threatening letters to Linux users. Now, without having seen any code, it is abundantly clear that there is some sort of misdirection going on here. They are claiming that IBM did something wrong so they are threatening unrelated parties. That is what requires investigation and analysis. Hell, a simple analogy would make things more clear to your readers.
"If this ends up being legitimized by the courts, then if you buy a book that contains plagiarized material then the original author of that book can come after you for damages".
You see, by printing whatever insane crap comes out of his mouth, you are lending it credibility. That isn't your job.
Wrong. A free press is not "allowed" to exist. The government is not allowed to supress it. A fine point, but an important one.
I in many great parts wholely disagree with you but maybe I'm just being hopeful. Whoever has mod points out there bank this one up for such a well thought out and articulated opinion.
Every Jew in the world understands that "Anti-Semitism" means that virulent racist hatred and persecution of Jews that has been a common thread throughout history for 2000+ years. Some Arabs are technically Semites, but Arabs get a pass from this kind of anti-Semitism.
No, they're just called, "Dirt Nigger", "Dune Coon", "Towel Head", "Rag Head", "Camel Jockey", "Terrorist", "Infidel" and lots of other things.
They were colonized, enslaved, hated, repressed, murdered, tortured and any other horrible thing you can think of *Just Like Every Other Race, Religion, and most likely Species* that ever lived on this planet. And you're bitching that only the Jews deserve a special word for hatred of them?!?
Israel has no claim whatsoever on special status. If they do wrong it is wrong. If they are wronged, then it is likewise wrong.
Pretty much every other religion has had periods where they have been in power, and thus not been the subject of persecution.
That's reading about 120% on my bullshit meter.
There are about 3 major religions around today which have ever been in power. JewMoslemianity (honestly, to someone not of one of these 3 they're basically the same), Hinduism and Shinto.
The rest of them were, for the most part, burned, tortured murdered and oppressed by other ones; primarily the currently existing ones.
As far as Israel goes, the only reason that the Jews even lived there originally is that they murdered every man woman and child who lived there before when they wanted it. At least according to the bible. Their god promised the land to them.
However, reporters are not policemen. Cops have to look for evidence. We simply report what other people say or do ("say", being the appropiate word in these stories). The fact that you can even tell such a blatant lie with a straight face demonstrates the total absence of integrity in the journalistic community.
Nixon said he wasdn't a crook. Your assertion is that that should have been printed as if it were gospel.
That is so amazingly ignorant and idiotic I want to scream and throttle you..
What you are supposed to be doing is *investigating*. Reporting news does not mean "reporting what other people say or do". It means listening to what people say, assuming that they are a lying sack of shit and finding out what the truth is. If you have demonstrated that they are telling the truth then you report that. If you have demonstrated that they are full of crap than you report that.
That and that alone is the reason that a so called free press is even allowed to exist.
If you honestly believe that that is your job, then for the love of anything decent, quit now since you have no interest in doing your job. The role of the press is a sacred one to a free society and you are not living up to your responsibility. You are, in fact, actively working against freedom, truth, justice, and all of that.
The fact that SCO makes these claims IS news, whether we like it or not (I don't). If no one had reported it, you wouldn't know about it. How is that better?
The difference is that many of the things they are saying are complete crap and it is your fucking job to figure that out and report it.
Because some STUPID do-gooders decided some years back that unless mental patients posed immediate risks to themselves or others, they should not be forced to remain in mental hospitals.
The "stupid do-gooder" you are referring to is named Ronald Reagan.
He decided that if they weren't likely to kill anybody, then it would be cheaper to let them die on the streets than it would to treat them.
These same people decide when their PC is two years old that it's just "too screwed up" and go buy and brand-spanking-new one with the same flaws which they will proceed to bugger up in a month in a half.
I assume that you offer to dispose of the old useless computers for them for a nominal fee? If not, send me their contact info;-)
When Longhorn comes out, you'll be able to use XML to script entire custom installations.
Sure, the current version of windows is a piece of crap missing even the most basic functionality of an actual enterprise level OS, but just wait for the next version.
Cripes, don't you ever get tired of repeating the same stupid crap which has always been demonstrated to be a lie?
Right. In the area of security, stable patches which won't ruin an installation, and privacy MS has proven in almost every case that they have no credibility whatsoever.
If anybody else announced this, it would at least be potentially reasonable. With MS it is different because they have shown themselves to be less trustworthy than any other vendor.
they will say there are no updates available, even when there are. I have confirmed this twice when I KNEW there was an update that was not installed on the laptop (sometimes i go two weeks without using).
I just cleaned up my friend's computer who got infected with blaster. I went to Windows update, and it said that he needed no updates which is, of course, false since otherwise he wouldn't have gotten infected in the first place.
He's running XP home which has the auto update set to download patches but not install by default.
So after some digging around I realized that Windows update was correct that there were no newer patches available for download, but he had never installed any of them, so it was wrong that none were needed.
I wonder if something similar might have happened in your case?
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Better than my pilot license. Its valid until my death.
You have to keep it current though, don't you?
Godels incompleteness theory springs to mind. But notice that it's called a theory as well.
I think you mean "incompleteness theorem".
A theorem, once proved, is absolutley proved without a shadow of a doubt (within the parameters of your system).
So, no it is not ever called a theory by somebody who knows what they are talking about.
I guess I'll have to stick with the old standby of fuck you. Just keep that in mind next time someone breaks into your house.
Oh my god, the cops would come and fill out a report if my house got broken into. Wow Fucking Wee.
I have called the cops 2 or 3 times when something happened to me with zero result outside of getting a report filed. I have also been hospitalized by a pair of cops in a bad mood, so my record indicates I'm better off without them.
Now, if there were no cops, then the world would be a more dangerous place in many ways.
However, the primary use to which the police forces are put is as a revenue generator.
They're mobile tax collectors with guns.
Most traffic laws: Designed to rip off the public.
Drug laws: Designed to rip off the public, create criminals and enrich the prison/law enforcement industry.
So please, keep your fuck you to yourself. You are going to need it.
i know this isn't a political forum. but i would like to ask for serious comments about possible solutions. if your state government is so wonderful, where is it that you find qualified, bonafide normal and caring folks to fill government jobs and elected positions?
The simple, not completely accurate, but closer than anything else answer is:
You don't.
The primary things standing in the way of a decent human being getting elected to a major office are the Democratic and Republican parties.
These parties have no constitutional basis, and no accountability. The party bosses would never dream of letting anybody who was not a complete scumbag to have a shot at a primary. If you haven't shown that you'll do what you're told by monied interests then forget it.
The other major culprit is our system of voting. It has been mathematically proven that there is no "perfect" system, but it has also been proven that the system we have is the absolute worst electoral system if the goal is to put the person most people would prefer in office.
I feel sorry for the poor soul who'll get elected as our president next because he's gonna have an almost impossible task on his hands (he'll need to take massive and very unpopular action to fix this mess being created by the current politicians).
Well, he could always try being honest, put Shrub in prison for treason and bill Asshat for all the money he spent covering up a statue since he has the maturity of a thirteen year old. That should help his popularity enormously.
Apparantly, Cops are potrayed fairly unrealistically as well.
Yeah,
they're usually portrayed as the good guys.
Why does Mars always have to keep opposing us?
'Cause Mars is the god of war, of course.
Then why did they produce over 700,000? Tax write-off?
Maybe.
My guess was that demand picked up, but they had already finished doing the code reviews and QA and stuff.
I think we agree far more than we disagree (if at all).
I apologize as well, since I was taking out my frustration with big generalities on you personally and that isn't fair. I've never seen your work as far as I know.
Anyhow, I'll email you at your listed address. Maybe we're in the same town and can grab a beer some time.
Now I know Netgear is a pretty big outfit, but there are LOTS of companies like that out there, and these little mistakes can add up.
Maybe they honestly didn't think they'd sell more than a couple hundred of these?
Fair enough. I wasn't really trying to attack you personally. I'm just fed up with the news media in this country. No offense to you, but our news services are by far the worst in the western world (informed opinion). Probably it is that that's what sells and most people here would fight tooth and nail to avoid being informed about real issues (personal experience).
;-)
So anyhow, what if instead of, "Should he write a story stating SCO's claims, followed by "on the other hand, dirty bearded hippy Richard Stallman says..."?."
You were to write, "Known rabid litigator and alleged goat felcher Darl Mcbride says...... On the other hand smelly bearded hippy Richard Stallman says....
Then you're not being more unfair to one than to the other.
Any chance we'll start seeing something like that
Peace.
To feed the troll or not to... what the hell.
An opinion you disagree with is not a troll.
The fact that you can make such a blatant, hateful generalization demonstrates your utter lack of brains. So you claim I said a lie, and that demonstrates that all the journalistic community is crooked? Hello?
I apologise. Please replace "demonstrates" with "lends yet more evidence of". I can't really expect you to understand what I'm communicating if I do it poorly. Also, some of the following "you"s refer to you and some to your profession in general. Hopefully the context will clear it up.
No, my assertion is that it should have been reported as "Nixon claims he is not a crook". As, in fact, it was.
Certainly, at first. Then there were these people known as "investigative journalists" who knew that their job was not to just repeat the lies of a crook. They compiled evidence and proved that he was, in fact, a crook.
Wow. After 12 years of experience, I learn that I have to assume everyone is a lying piece of shit. That will do for some nice editorials, bub, but is not fact reporting.
Actually, that is reporting. What you are claiming is journalism is printing press releases from parties whose interest the release is designed to further without question. That is what is known as being a tool. It is not journalism.
Here's another example.
I say, "The sky is green".
You would report this as: Darby said, "The sky is green".
An actual journalist would print something more like:
Darby, who has no known credentials among the scientific, skywatching, or color matching communities said, "The sky is green". According to a survey {link or other attribution} 100% of those surveyed say the sky is blue.
According to researchers at {Learned institution} Green has a wavelength of between x and y nm while blue is defined as light from u to v nm. Their results {link} show that the sky is actually in the range from u to v nm.
{Comments about how Darby is obviously a nitwit would most likely be reserved for an editorial}
Do you see the difference?
In the first case you're assuming I am not a lying piece of shit and you're printing complete bullshit.
In the second case your default assumption is that I'm full of crap so you investigated it to make sure that what you are printing is actually true rather than intentionally misleading.
And if you have no way of demonstrating either, I assume, you report nothing? Point in case: Neteri me nor anyone had a chance to see SCOs code. So, what am I supposed to do? Pull a "Darl is a lying sack of shit" piece out of my ass to please you?
Not at all.
It was reported that SCO had sent out threatening letters to users of Linux. That is true as far as it goes, but it does nothing to make sense of the issue. Adding clarification and analysis is what you're for. I could have just read about that on SCOs site and gotten the same thing. If this is all you're going to do, then what use are you?
The fact is that SCO is suing IBM over a contract dispute. Another fact is that they sent out threatening letters to Linux users. Now, without having seen any code, it is abundantly clear that there is some sort of misdirection going on here. They are claiming that IBM did something wrong so they are threatening unrelated parties. That is what requires investigation and analysis.
Hell, a simple analogy would make things more clear to your readers.
"If this ends up being legitimized by the courts, then if you buy a book that contains plagiarized material then the original author of that book can come after you for damages".
You see, by printing whatever insane crap comes out of his mouth, you are lending it credibility. That isn't your job.
Wrong. A free press is not "allowed" to exist. The government is not allowed to supress it. A fine point, but an important one.
Double wrong Pally Wally.
A free press was al
As much as I disagree with MPAA/RIAA or the movie industry - I don't intend on taking a fascist route any time soon....
This statement has no meaning.
The route the MPAA and RIAA are taking *is* fascism: The merger of state and corporate power.
I in many great parts wholely disagree with you but maybe I'm just being hopeful. Whoever has mod points out there bank this one up for such a well thought out and articulated opinion.
I second this.
Can we get this up to 3?
Every Jew in the world understands that "Anti-Semitism" means that virulent racist hatred and persecution of Jews that has been a common thread throughout history for 2000+ years. Some Arabs are technically Semites, but Arabs get a pass from this kind of anti-Semitism.
No, they're just called, "Dirt Nigger", "Dune Coon", "Towel Head", "Rag Head", "Camel Jockey", "Terrorist", "Infidel" and lots of other things.
They were colonized, enslaved, hated, repressed, murdered, tortured and any other horrible thing you can think of *Just Like Every Other Race, Religion, and most likely Species* that ever lived on this planet. And you're bitching that only the Jews deserve a special word for hatred of them?!?
Israel has no claim whatsoever on special status. If they do wrong it is wrong. If they are wronged, then it is likewise wrong.
Fuck *your* semantic games.
.
Pretty much every other religion has had periods where they have been in power, and thus not been the subject of persecution.
That's reading about 120% on my bullshit meter.
There are about 3 major religions around today which have ever been in power.
JewMoslemianity (honestly, to someone not of one of these 3 they're basically the same), Hinduism and Shinto.
The rest of them were, for the most part, burned, tortured murdered and oppressed by other ones; primarily the currently existing ones.
As far as Israel goes, the only reason that the Jews even lived there originally is that they murdered every man woman and child who lived there before when they wanted it. At least according to the bible. Their god promised the land to them.
However, reporters are not policemen. Cops have to look for evidence. We simply report what other people say or do ("say", being the appropiate word in these stories).
The fact that you can even tell such a blatant lie with a straight face demonstrates the total absence of integrity in the journalistic community.
Nixon said he wasdn't a crook.
Your assertion is that that should have been printed as if it were gospel.
That is so amazingly ignorant and idiotic I want to scream and throttle you..
What you are supposed to be doing is *investigating*.
Reporting news does not mean "reporting what other people say or do".
It means listening to what people say, assuming that they are a lying sack of shit and finding out what the truth is.
If you have demonstrated that they are telling the truth then you report that.
If you have demonstrated that they are full of crap than you report that.
That and that alone is the reason that a so called free press is even allowed to exist.
If you honestly believe that that is your job, then for the love of anything decent, quit now since you have no interest in doing your job.
The role of the press is a sacred one to a free society and you are not living up to your responsibility.
You are, in fact, actively working against freedom, truth, justice, and all of that.
The fact that SCO makes these claims IS news, whether we like it or not (I don't). If no one had reported it, you wouldn't know about it. How is that better?
The difference is that many of the things they are saying are complete crap and it is your fucking job to figure that out and report it.
I have been using Ernie Ball strings for years and I will continue to use them with a renews exuberance now.
Do they make classical strings? If so are they good?
I've been teaching myself Analysis, which requires me to have my logic and analytic circuits running at maximum.
;-)
OK Smart guy
Say you have a cartesian product (possibly uncountably infinite) of compact sets.
Is this compact?
My understanding is that if you disagree, you can't DISTRIBUTE..... anyone can log into ftp.sco.com and download all the GNU software they want.
So what you are saying is that SCO is in the same category as music "thieves" and parrot toting pirates?
Should we submit them to the BSA and get the FBI running through SCO headquarters?
Hmmmm... any BSA members using GPL code?
And why are mentally ill people homeless?
Because some STUPID do-gooders decided some years back that unless mental patients posed immediate risks to themselves or others, they should not be forced to remain in mental hospitals.
The "stupid do-gooder" you are referring to is named Ronald Reagan.
He decided that if they weren't likely to kill anybody, then it would be cheaper to let them die on the streets than it would to treat them.
These same people decide when their PC is two years old that it's just "too screwed up" and go buy and brand-spanking-new one with the same flaws which they will proceed to bugger up in a month in a half.
;-)
I assume that you offer to dispose of the old useless computers for them for a nominal fee?
If not, send me their contact info
When Longhorn comes out, you'll be able to use XML to script entire custom installations.
Sure, the current version of windows is a piece of crap missing even the most basic functionality of an actual enterprise level OS, but just wait for the next version.
Cripes, don't you ever get tired of repeating the same stupid crap which has always been demonstrated to be a lie?
Credibility is important,
Right.
In the area of security, stable patches which won't ruin an installation, and privacy MS has proven in almost every case that they have no credibility whatsoever.
If anybody else announced this, it would at least be potentially reasonable.
With MS it is different because they have shown themselves to be less trustworthy than any other vendor.
No hypocrisy involved.
Thanks for playing though.
they will say there are no updates available, even when there are. I have confirmed this twice when I KNEW there was an update that was not installed on the laptop (sometimes i go two weeks without using).
I just cleaned up my friend's computer who got infected with blaster.
I went to Windows update, and it said that he needed no updates which is, of course, false since otherwise he wouldn't have gotten infected in the first place.
He's running XP home which has the auto update set to download patches but not install by default.
So after some digging around I realized that Windows update was correct that there were no newer patches available for download, but he had never installed any of them, so it was wrong that none were needed.
I wonder if something similar might have happened in your case?