I've never seen the OS that didn't have some kind of search capabilities, and in Linux we have excellent tools which can even be combined and scripted from the command line into the custom algorithm of your choice. Why exactly, would anybody want a web site to crawl their hard drive in the first place? When I first heard of that, I thought it sounded a little risky.
*smacks forehead* TWO Homers in one day! Never should have gotten out of bed today... Yes, I forgot about the Asian dialects, although I might have thought that Kanji character support and such would have sufficed. Upon re-examining some of the Far East coins in my foreign coin collection, come to that, Asian characters look like they *would* be easier to OCR. It's the European/Middle Eastern dialects that stump OCR scanners!
You've gotta be kidding me about the hand-writing recognition. For a machine that will be deployed all over the planet? What for? Won't it have a keyboard and the keymapping/Unicode doodads? Handwriting recognition is tough; even our best AI is still challenged by it, and that's just for *one* language.
This is turning into one of those misguided-with-the-best-intentions type projects, I can see it coming.
Its still programmed by (no offense intended) long haired hippies who can do whatever they want.
Your post makes many good points, but I still don't get this stigma. I've worked for quite a few global-scale Big Name companies, and you know who my co-workers were? About half of them were long-haired hippies. Long-haired hippies process your mortgage application, do your taxes, handle your banking transactions, and one of them shaved his head and got to be your president for 8-years. The long-haired hippies can frequently get away with that because their skills are so in demand, they can be like MASH's Corporal Klinger and wear a dress and bunny slippers and a baseball cap to work and they'll *still* be tolerated.
Now, get with the 21st-century and start riding those pierced-up dyed-to-death Goth freaks like the rest of the long-haired hippies do.
Total time to program it in Glade: 6 days without many features.
Time to test and debug: Another two.
Time to use it for yourself: Ten minutes.
Time to get it past the legal machine so somebody *else* can use it: infinity to the googleth power.
Should we just abandon the office desktop to Windows and be done with it? Really, trying to appease the OfficeMax crowd seems to be more trouble than it's worth. There are plenty more areas where Linux has conquered (servers, developers, engineers, some businesses, the home user), and just talking to an OfficeMaxer makes me depressed.
An OfficeMaxer has three loops: (a)"It'sNotWindowsIt'sNotWindowsIt'sNotWindows..." , (b)"It'sNotMSWordIt'sNotMSWordIt'sNotMSWord...", (c) "It'sNotPhotoshopIt'sNotPhotoshopIt'sNotPhotoshop...". You get any of these three loops by asking them (a) Why don't you like Linux? (b) Why don't you like Open Office ? (c) What's wrong with Gimp?
Of course, it goes without saying that there's no inherent quality in any of the dominant applications in these sectors. Yes, yes, yes, I know, fuck me and the horse I've ridden in on. Heard it before, you know, I've played Slashdot a couple times before. Face reality: The ONLY reason office workers prefer the MS tools that they use is because they ONLY KNOW THOSE TOOLS. Check back in your time machine when papyrus was invented - where there a bunch of stone age secretaries decrying papyrus's faults and declaring they'd never let their stone tablets and iron chisels go? You bet your sweet bippy! Neanderthals can give it a rest: we know you love your precious Windows, and not only do I want you to keep it, I'm arguing in favor of condemning you to NOTHING BUT!
Back to Linux: All I hear is "Gramma can't use it yet." Well, there's a lot of things gramma can't do. Gramma can't bungie-jump. Gramma can't surf. Gramma is beyond her time to participate in gross olive-oil-soaked orgies. Are we to abolish the simple joys in life, or worse yet, make all the bungee-cords a maximum two-feet and drain the oceans to six inches depth and put training wheels on all the surf-boards? "Joe Sixpack can't use it." Joe Sixpack hasn't finished a book since high school, but burning down the libraries doesn't sound very good, does it? Better to keep the libraries there for the people who have EARNED THE RIGHT to read the books by APPLYING THEMSELVES. Same argument for Linux. Linux is worth it for me because I learned it AND HENCE EARNED IT!!! I learned it all for free in my spare time while pulling a fifty hour week with a full family in the house, and there's nothing exceptional about me in any way at all, save that I ignore television.
Linux has made all the advances in the office that it can, or at least all that's worth it. Indeed, the people I call "Linux strategists" (we can take Linux and CONQUER THE WORLD WITH IT) remind me of a jigalo with a dozen gorgeous, doting women under his roof; so he ignores them all in order to pursue the fugliest mule in town who won't have anything to do with him anyway.
I propose we designate one Linux distro (Ubuntu is absolutely in heat for this one!) as "the office competitor". The rest of Linux can be back to being left the heck alone. The "office competitor" can be morphed (or have a distro spun off of it) which shall be named "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows!(TM)" It shall strive to be such a complete ape-copy of Windows, Gates himself would be fooled in a blind taste test. It should have NO non-Windows apps in it at all...because, of course, a Bash shell prompt makes Joe Sixpack queasy, remember? No goodies, no GNU...NOTHING! Just Windows copycat. And it should be sold, and be closed source. And for God's sake, disable the whole security thing, because we know gramma isn't going to remember her root password. You see what I'm getting at...it should no longer be called "Linux".
And herafter, there would need never again be these gasbags judging everything from awk to Perl to Konqueror to gcc to Frozen Bubble to Firefox to sed to Emacs to vi based only on whether Secratary Suzy and Middle Manager Moe can compose an office memo in it. The system that's just perfect for the server (Debian) the hobbyist (Fedora) the developer (Slackware) the kids (Mandriva) the cyber
What kind of sick, evil cur do you have to be to even concieve of such a thing? How do they know this isn't causing long-term hearing damage? How do they know that the range is only in the area defined...what if some people can hear it miles away? And my hearing for high-frequency noises has lasted to my mid-30s...what if I can hear it, too? And I had a friend one time who was deaf, but his hearing aide sometimes translates mere whistles to a physically painful noise - what would this do to hearing aide users? And why discriminate against young people - maybe these kids should get smart and send round a bunch of aged street winos to hang out in front of the store? What about pets, how does it affect them? And how long until the kids wise up and buy a $2 pair of earplugs?
Now, you'd think I'd identified all the ways this was wrong. But no, the corker is he used his own kids as lab rats for this! Why does this sick bastard still have custody of them?
Part of me hopes that MS will see the light, but I doubt it.
I don't doubt it...but only in the looooooong term, decades and decades down the line when we all have Eyeball Linux running in our contact-lenses and Google implants in our temples and we're all having spontaneous orgasms from being able to download porn just by *thinking* about it...Microsoft will wake up one morning and notice that it isn't 1995 any more and it'll never again be king of the megabytes and it'll stand on it's last million in reserve and say "We're ready to play nice, now. Here's the source code to everything. We're having a patent bonfire. Anybody want to donate to support our project by clicking that PayPal button?"
Loyal Fluxbox user for life, here, just pointing out that any KDE program will run on the Fluxbox desktop if summoned by name or added to Flux's menu. (the same holds true for other window managers from Window Maker to TWM, of course)
I've been love/hate over KDE so long that I'm full-blown schitzophrenic now. The KDE environment may be pretty and featureful, but it manages to bring even my best hardware to it's knees. And it just bloats up with every new release. But no matter what window manager I have going, I still find Konqueror darned useful (mostly for local file browsing/managing - Firefox has my websurfing locked in!), and I manage to pick 'n' use KDE apps no matter what desktop I'm in. The rest of the family uses KDE exclusively. The kids love the games (I have grade school children, so how can I help but applaud the edutainment section?). But power-users such as myself need something as light as possible that gets out of our way.
My only beef is when a live CD distro manages to (a) louse up the KDE configuration so it's buggy and crashes, and (b) provide no means of accessing the alternative desktops that are included on the disk anyway! I mean, c'mon, a live CD has a performance hit in the first place - wouldn't a superlight desktop alternative make sense, here?
Of course, I should reserve judgement until I've tried the new KDE - which doubtless I'll encounter the next time I burn a distro...
So, uh, what the hell's so lucrative about a Beatles site? Now, if the guy's screen nick was "viagra-viagra" I'd see it.
FYI I just Google-searched "Beatles" and got 15,700,000 hits, of which the first was the www.beatles.com official page. Don't worry, he's not highjacking the Beatles. "Let it be!"
That's got to be as deeply rooted as the "couch potato" gene. "Brain Potato"s never exercise their brains, so their brains shrink to the appropriate size and contours of a potato, never gaining the capacity to do any heavy lifting.
Throughout my life, I have encountered two kinds of people: those who *like* to learn, and those who *refuse*. The refusers perform the absolute minimum to get by, and no more, where the learners go on above and beyond all that is expected of them. The brain, like any other organ, needs exercise to stay fit, so the refusers end up at age 50 or so unable to function in a society that has advanced without them. The learners go on well into their 80's remaining mentally sharp, free from any worries of senility or Alzheimers. I'm just citing what *I* see, and expressing it in my own layman's terms.
As for genetic weight disposition: In my case, I've always been right around 200 pounds - since age 18 to present mid-thirties! I may gain five or lose five here and there, but mainly I hover right around that area. And I've always maintained "The Mark Twain diet" - I eat what pleases me and let the food fight it out inside. Fortunately, I've always had healthy eating habits, so I guess that's it. I'm so weird, I actually *like* spinach and Brussel sprouts and broccolli, where I'm not a big fan of french fries. And I can take so many sweets and no more. Perhaps they should look into genetic traits having some effect on what *foods* you crave - that might tell a bit more.
Microsoft or Linux? Difficult to tell. As a Linux user, I almost favor no defense at all than to be defended by books like these. It makes my side look bad.
I've said in here many times: The universe does not and never has revolved around Microsoft. It *DIDN'T* *EXIST* when I first started using computers, and it's considerable that they won't exist when I'm still using them - or else they will dwindle to a defanged shade of their former self (like IBM).
To describe the sky by comparing it to the ground is to fail to understand both the ground and the sky.
You posted this question during the annual four-day-weekend flamefest, in which thousands of bored cubicle slaves have Thanksgiving holiday off and overrun Slashdot like a horde of goblins. Think Quake Deathmatch with flame-throwers and infinite ammo. Now to address your actual question: (and watch, because I'm the only person providing a helpful answer, I *WILL* be modded down!)
Making better use of your desktop real estate means getting rid of a lot of junk. If you haven't already, I'd try saying goodbye to KDE/Gnome and getting the lightest possible window manager for the job: That's Fluxbox, ICEwm, Fvwm, or the desktop environment Xfce. (I'm low on sadism, so I won't recommend TWM. Anybody that 1337 wouldn't be posting this question.) This doesn't sound like much, but trust me, when you do away with that extra time waiting for KDE to load, you'll be faster and only have (in Fluxbox's case) a tiny slit in your way. No icons cluttering things up (yeah, we need a home directory icon on the desktop when it's in our menu, too! Sheesh!). Every Linux program on your system can be started from any window manager's menu, it's just a matter of editing the menu to launch the program. Too bothered to edit text menus? Then from the console, try "kicker" for KDE's panel, "gnome-panel" for Gnome's, and "xfce4-panel" for Xfce's, depending on what you have installed. I've tried them all and they work even from TWM!
As for time-saving: the key here is "automate". Anything you type in a terminal more than once is grounds for automation. Simply take the same commands you type and save them on a line each in a plain text file with the line "#!/bin/bash" at the top and the line "end" at the bottom. Save that file somewhere in your executable path (type "echo $PATH" if you don't know), and type "chmod +x [name of your program]". You can now execute it just like any other system program.
The next level of automation is programs that require interaction. Two work-arounds exist for this: "Here" documents are little scriptlets you can slip into Bash scripts to do simple keyboard commands for interacting with command-line programs that insist on recieving input. The more sophisticated approach is Tcl/Tk's "expect", which can be used to script damn-near anything (take a command-line web browser like lynx and feed it an expect script with the right instructions, and you can auto-post B1FF comments to Slashdot, even! (Provided you had a nick signed in.), sorry, guys, the secret's out!) I can't think of anything having to do with ssh and email accounts that couldn't be handled with all of the above.
This might be overkill, but anybody who's read "Beginning Linux Programming" by Neil Matthew and Richard Stones, courtesy of www.wrox.com, wouldn't have to post this question. I promise you could skip the GTK and Qt parts and brush up on Bash, at least, which is easier than BASIC on the Apple ][.
Doubtless, part of the indiference/hostility in here is because this is also the kind of question spammers ask, and you wouldn't find any people on Slashdot who deal with too much spam, now would you? I don't mind answering because, if you're a *good* wizard, you deserve to know this stuff as well as I do, and if you're a *bad* wizard, I haven't given you a damn thing you couldn't have gotten from a few hours of Googling.
I'm pretty sure that no one was lambasting you about not supporting Bush.
So you admit that the winning vote was 100% rigged, since Bush did not have a single supporter (not even himself) who would have been likely to flame me about not loving him twelve months ago?
So if I hate my high school maths teacher and say he sexually abuses children and all he can do is deny it,
Uh, as opposed to if he DID molest you and you didn't have the presence of mind to run immediately to a DNA lab and save the sample from your orifice, and now you can't prove it in court, so he gets to sue you for slander, too? I consider the former case the lesser of two evils. Are you telling me something bad happens to *everyone* who's accused of molestation? Michael Jackson's still rich. The Catholic Church is still standing. Hell, one of my in-laws *DID* molest the HELL out of ALL TEN of his kids (whose stories concur), got off scott free, and lived to a ripe old age of 87, fat and rich. Interresting edge case, but no cookie.
yeah, I'm serious...it's called "Posing a question.", in which I solicit feedback and thoughts from others on the subject. Part of the act of having a discussion in the first place. Thank you for participating in the session. And is it MONDAY YET???
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I've never seen the OS that didn't have some kind of search capabilities, and in Linux we have excellent tools which can even be combined and scripted from the command line into the custom algorithm of your choice. Why exactly, would anybody want a web site to crawl their hard drive in the first place? When I first heard of that, I thought it sounded a little risky.
*smacks forehead* TWO Homers in one day! Never should have gotten out of bed today... Yes, I forgot about the Asian dialects, although I might have thought that Kanji character support and such would have sufficed. Upon re-examining some of the Far East coins in my foreign coin collection, come to that, Asian characters look like they *would* be easier to OCR. It's the European/Middle Eastern dialects that stump OCR scanners!
Silly me! And here I have the Firefox plug-in "leetkey" right on my right-click menu. The HEX decode works just fine, thanks, no need for the python.
OK, I'll bite. Is it your public encryption key? An MD5 checksum? A really big number in hexadecimal? A highly compressed core dump?
This is turning into one of those misguided-with-the-best-intentions type projects, I can see it coming.
Nice trick. What do you do for a follow-up, part the Red Sea? (-:
Uh, yeah, right, MIT craves headlines. They're whores for attention. That's probably why you post on Slashdot, don't you?
Your post makes many good points, but I still don't get this stigma. I've worked for quite a few global-scale Big Name companies, and you know who my co-workers were? About half of them were long-haired hippies. Long-haired hippies process your mortgage application, do your taxes, handle your banking transactions, and one of them shaved his head and got to be your president for 8-years. The long-haired hippies can frequently get away with that because their skills are so in demand, they can be like MASH's Corporal Klinger and wear a dress and bunny slippers and a baseball cap to work and they'll *still* be tolerated.
Now, get with the 21st-century and start riding those pierced-up dyed-to-death Goth freaks like the rest of the long-haired hippies do.
Time to test and debug: Another two.
Time to use it for yourself: Ten minutes.
Time to get it past the legal machine so somebody *else* can use it: infinity to the googleth power.
So, never.
Boy, science class must have *SUCKED* for you?
An OfficeMaxer has three loops: (a)"It'sNotWindowsIt'sNotWindowsIt'sNotWindows..." , (b)"It'sNotMSWordIt'sNotMSWordIt'sNotMSWord...", (c) "It'sNotPhotoshopIt'sNotPhotoshopIt'sNotPhotoshop. ..". You get any of these three loops by asking them (a) Why don't you like Linux? (b) Why don't you like Open Office ? (c) What's wrong with Gimp?
Of course, it goes without saying that there's no inherent quality in any of the dominant applications in these sectors. Yes, yes, yes, I know, fuck me and the horse I've ridden in on. Heard it before, you know, I've played Slashdot a couple times before. Face reality: The ONLY reason office workers prefer the MS tools that they use is because they ONLY KNOW THOSE TOOLS. Check back in your time machine when papyrus was invented - where there a bunch of stone age secretaries decrying papyrus's faults and declaring they'd never let their stone tablets and iron chisels go? You bet your sweet bippy! Neanderthals can give it a rest: we know you love your precious Windows, and not only do I want you to keep it, I'm arguing in favor of condemning you to NOTHING BUT!
Back to Linux: All I hear is "Gramma can't use it yet." Well, there's a lot of things gramma can't do. Gramma can't bungie-jump. Gramma can't surf. Gramma is beyond her time to participate in gross olive-oil-soaked orgies. Are we to abolish the simple joys in life, or worse yet, make all the bungee-cords a maximum two-feet and drain the oceans to six inches depth and put training wheels on all the surf-boards? "Joe Sixpack can't use it." Joe Sixpack hasn't finished a book since high school, but burning down the libraries doesn't sound very good, does it? Better to keep the libraries there for the people who have EARNED THE RIGHT to read the books by APPLYING THEMSELVES. Same argument for Linux. Linux is worth it for me because I learned it AND HENCE EARNED IT!!! I learned it all for free in my spare time while pulling a fifty hour week with a full family in the house, and there's nothing exceptional about me in any way at all, save that I ignore television.
Linux has made all the advances in the office that it can, or at least all that's worth it. Indeed, the people I call "Linux strategists" (we can take Linux and CONQUER THE WORLD WITH IT) remind me of a jigalo with a dozen gorgeous, doting women under his roof; so he ignores them all in order to pursue the fugliest mule in town who won't have anything to do with him anyway.
I propose we designate one Linux distro (Ubuntu is absolutely in heat for this one!) as "the office competitor". The rest of Linux can be back to being left the heck alone. The "office competitor" can be morphed (or have a distro spun off of it) which shall be named "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows!(TM)" It shall strive to be such a complete ape-copy of Windows, Gates himself would be fooled in a blind taste test. It should have NO non-Windows apps in it at all...because, of course, a Bash shell prompt makes Joe Sixpack queasy, remember? No goodies, no GNU...NOTHING! Just Windows copycat. And it should be sold, and be closed source. And for God's sake, disable the whole security thing, because we know gramma isn't going to remember her root password. You see what I'm getting at...it should no longer be called "Linux".
And herafter, there would need never again be these gasbags judging everything from awk to Perl to Konqueror to gcc to Frozen Bubble to Firefox to sed to Emacs to vi based only on whether Secratary Suzy and Middle Manager Moe can compose an office memo in it. The system that's just perfect for the server (Debian) the hobbyist (Fedora) the developer (Slackware) the kids (Mandriva) the cyber
Now, you'd think I'd identified all the ways this was wrong. But no, the corker is he used his own kids as lab rats for this! Why does this sick bastard still have custody of them?
I don't doubt it...but only in the looooooong term, decades and decades down the line when we all have Eyeball Linux running in our contact-lenses and Google implants in our temples and we're all having spontaneous orgasms from being able to download porn just by *thinking* about it...Microsoft will wake up one morning and notice that it isn't 1995 any more and it'll never again be king of the megabytes and it'll stand on it's last million in reserve and say "We're ready to play nice, now. Here's the source code to everything. We're having a patent bonfire. Anybody want to donate to support our project by clicking that PayPal button?"
Oh, wait...(eyeing Vonage ad with the "no geeks" tagline), never mind!
I've been love/hate over KDE so long that I'm full-blown schitzophrenic now. The KDE environment may be pretty and featureful, but it manages to bring even my best hardware to it's knees. And it just bloats up with every new release. But no matter what window manager I have going, I still find Konqueror darned useful (mostly for local file browsing/managing - Firefox has my websurfing locked in!), and I manage to pick 'n' use KDE apps no matter what desktop I'm in. The rest of the family uses KDE exclusively. The kids love the games (I have grade school children, so how can I help but applaud the edutainment section?). But power-users such as myself need something as light as possible that gets out of our way.
My only beef is when a live CD distro manages to (a) louse up the KDE configuration so it's buggy and crashes, and (b) provide no means of accessing the alternative desktops that are included on the disk anyway! I mean, c'mon, a live CD has a performance hit in the first place - wouldn't a superlight desktop alternative make sense, here?
Of course, I should reserve judgement until I've tried the new KDE - which doubtless I'll encounter the next time I burn a distro...
FYI I just Google-searched "Beatles" and got 15,700,000 hits, of which the first was the www.beatles.com official page. Don't worry, he's not highjacking the Beatles. "Let it be!"
Throughout my life, I have encountered two kinds of people: those who *like* to learn, and those who *refuse*. The refusers perform the absolute minimum to get by, and no more, where the learners go on above and beyond all that is expected of them. The brain, like any other organ, needs exercise to stay fit, so the refusers end up at age 50 or so unable to function in a society that has advanced without them. The learners go on well into their 80's remaining mentally sharp, free from any worries of senility or Alzheimers. I'm just citing what *I* see, and expressing it in my own layman's terms.
As for genetic weight disposition: In my case, I've always been right around 200 pounds - since age 18 to present mid-thirties! I may gain five or lose five here and there, but mainly I hover right around that area. And I've always maintained "The Mark Twain diet" - I eat what pleases me and let the food fight it out inside. Fortunately, I've always had healthy eating habits, so I guess that's it. I'm so weird, I actually *like* spinach and Brussel sprouts and broccolli, where I'm not a big fan of french fries. And I can take so many sweets and no more. Perhaps they should look into genetic traits having some effect on what *foods* you crave - that might tell a bit more.
It's gonna be me vs anybody comparing Windows and Linux pretty soon. I'll bring my grenade launcher and vaseline.
I've said in here many times: The universe does not and never has revolved around Microsoft. It *DIDN'T* *EXIST* when I first started using computers, and it's considerable that they won't exist when I'm still using them - or else they will dwindle to a defanged shade of their former self (like IBM).
To describe the sky by comparing it to the ground is to fail to understand both the ground and the sky.
Making better use of your desktop real estate means getting rid of a lot of junk. If you haven't already, I'd try saying goodbye to KDE/Gnome and getting the lightest possible window manager for the job: That's Fluxbox, ICEwm, Fvwm, or the desktop environment Xfce. (I'm low on sadism, so I won't recommend TWM. Anybody that 1337 wouldn't be posting this question.) This doesn't sound like much, but trust me, when you do away with that extra time waiting for KDE to load, you'll be faster and only have (in Fluxbox's case) a tiny slit in your way. No icons cluttering things up (yeah, we need a home directory icon on the desktop when it's in our menu, too! Sheesh!). Every Linux program on your system can be started from any window manager's menu, it's just a matter of editing the menu to launch the program. Too bothered to edit text menus? Then from the console, try "kicker" for KDE's panel, "gnome-panel" for Gnome's, and "xfce4-panel" for Xfce's, depending on what you have installed. I've tried them all and they work even from TWM!
As for time-saving: the key here is "automate". Anything you type in a terminal more than once is grounds for automation. Simply take the same commands you type and save them on a line each in a plain text file with the line "#!/bin/bash" at the top and the line "end" at the bottom. Save that file somewhere in your executable path (type "echo $PATH" if you don't know), and type "chmod +x [name of your program]". You can now execute it just like any other system program.
The next level of automation is programs that require interaction. Two work-arounds exist for this: "Here" documents are little scriptlets you can slip into Bash scripts to do simple keyboard commands for interacting with command-line programs that insist on recieving input. The more sophisticated approach is Tcl/Tk's "expect", which can be used to script damn-near anything (take a command-line web browser like lynx and feed it an expect script with the right instructions, and you can auto-post B1FF comments to Slashdot, even! (Provided you had a nick signed in.), sorry, guys, the secret's out!) I can't think of anything having to do with ssh and email accounts that couldn't be handled with all of the above.
This might be overkill, but anybody who's read "Beginning Linux Programming" by Neil Matthew and Richard Stones, courtesy of www.wrox.com, wouldn't have to post this question. I promise you could skip the GTK and Qt parts and brush up on Bash, at least, which is easier than BASIC on the Apple ][.
Doubtless, part of the indiference/hostility in here is because this is also the kind of question spammers ask, and you wouldn't find any people on Slashdot who deal with too much spam, now would you? I don't mind answering because, if you're a *good* wizard, you deserve to know this stuff as well as I do, and if you're a *bad* wizard, I haven't given you a damn thing you couldn't have gotten from a few hours of Googling.
Counting the seconds to Monday...when all the four-day-weekenders return to slavery and we can have Slashdot back.
vs not even a majority of people were lambasting you.
I wish you were here in person so I could spit in your face. I always do that to lying weasels.
So, NASA has a perfect safety record? The testimony of Richard Feynmann http://www.ralentz.com/old/space/feynman-report.ht ml alone was enough to convice me that they're less than sterling in this regard.
So you admit that the winning vote was 100% rigged, since Bush did not have a single supporter (not even himself) who would have been likely to flame me about not loving him twelve months ago?
Uh, as opposed to if he DID molest you and you didn't have the presence of mind to run immediately to a DNA lab and save the sample from your orifice, and now you can't prove it in court, so he gets to sue you for slander, too? I consider the former case the lesser of two evils. Are you telling me something bad happens to *everyone* who's accused of molestation? Michael Jackson's still rich. The Catholic Church is still standing. Hell, one of my in-laws *DID* molest the HELL out of ALL TEN of his kids (whose stories concur), got off scott free, and lived to a ripe old age of 87, fat and rich. Interresting edge case, but no cookie.
yeah, I'm serious...it's called "Posing a question.", in which I solicit feedback and thoughts from others on the subject. Part of the act of having a discussion in the first place. Thank you for participating in the session. And is it MONDAY YET???