Great, but where is all the VoiP and video work we were promised? There was some flamewar between gaim-vv people and the gaim/pidgin lead dev with people claiming he was working in google's interests and ignoring all their work. I don't know what the situation is there and who is at fault (maybe gaim-vv had a crap design/structure and he's legitimately not using that). What I do know is that there is gtalk video calling on the N800 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs ] which is Maemo based and that this hasn't found its way back to desktop linux. Skype are dragging their feet for almost a year after they promised video for linux and their latest alpha (1.4) doesn't even include it. Ekiga has good video, but the sound has never worked to anything remotely resembling a conversation for me.
So the state of linux video calling sucks pretty hard, maybe we get skype video in 6 months, maybe ekiga fix their sound quality, and maybe the gtalk work on the N800 finds its way into the next pidgin....
One thing I do know is that patents and people using proprietary standards are at the root of many of these problems, as the codec skype is using is licenced from some other company, not sure about the gtalk video but why else would they be dragging their feet? And ekiga certainly seems to need some kind of injection of technology, because the stuff they are using now simply does not seem to work.
Here's hoping google invests a little more in Pidgin because it sounds like the main dev is struggling (for whatever reasons) to meet expectations that 2.0 would have video and voice.
Mod parent down, there is a difference between competition between peers and a monopoly doing the same thing. One is legal, the other is not (if government bothers to enforce anti-monopoly laws that is). If MS rolls out this Silverlight to Vista and XP in servicepacks / updates and provides a ton of incentives and free tools to use it on server side that isn't innovation at all, that's leveraging existing monopoly market share in one market to enter a new market. Even if Linux didn't exist, this is an unfair abuse against Adobe.
And Microsoft *is* a monopoly, convicted even, they just bought their way out of sanctions: "The decision by the Bush administration to vacate the lawsuit that was first initiated in 1998 by the Clinton Justice Department is considered a major victory for Microsoft, which nearly tripled its campaign contributions and more than doubled its lobbying expenditures during its fight against the antitrust case." http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_26.as p http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.a sp?code=B12&year=2006&sort=A
And don't tell me open source hasn't innovated - there exists public domain/BSD-style code to implement theora/vorbis ANYWHERE, but vested interests want to keep video locked up with patent encumbered mp3 or AAC audio (which vorbis defeats in listening tests) and patented video codecs (with which theora is competitive and if patents weren't a problem the x264 is one of the best h.264 encoders). The real anti-innovation scam is patent abuse, and monopoly abuse.
Don't worry about trying to get the word out about free games that run Linux on slashdot. I submitted a story about the new TC:E trailer (and upcoming release) but it seems the editors of the game section are more interested in minor "what if?" stories about potential PS3 features than an actual release of a free Linux (and OS X and windows) game at the end of the week.
I don't think it's an incredibly bad submission, I even included the youtube link in the slashdot submission. Oh well, editors will be editors I suppose.
Last I checked: * Linux was making multi-billion dollar profits for IBM a while ago (Yohai Benkler's book "Wealth of Networks" pp 47 - 2000 million in 2003 revenues for "linux related services"). That's just one company, there are quite a few others which are "linux companies" before you even start counting the small deployments in thousands of other places making profit in those places.
* There is a major push on two desktops, GNOME and KDE. Who cares if some dev is working on his pet desktop project? You have no evidence that he'd be working on the two main ones if he wasn't. Besides it's called diversity and flexibility (not to mention freedom), I personally use GNOME but on a slower machine fluxbox is awesome. I would add that the two major ones are co-operating extensively with freedesktop to make things work smoothly across desktops. There are alternative shells for windows I believe, that doesn't mean windows is falling apart. You either know nothing about linux or you are trying to mount a dishonest argument.
*Linux is a serious threat to Vista and OSX on many corporate desktops, sure the PR or printing department is still going to need adobe apps etc. But most desktops need email, a browser and office. I would argue that linux at $0 with Firefox, OpenOffice.org 2.0 and Evolution running on the last generation machines is pretty competitive against having to upgrade hardware to run a $200+ vista and $400+ office. This doesn't even mention the third world which is totally adverse to "windows-lite run 2 apps at a time crippleware for poor people". Just look at some of the previews of SuSe 10.1 or install the latest Ubuntu and tell me that it's somehow no appropriate for the corporate desktop. Yes the home desktop is a little further away, but if you look at what Ubuntu can do in a short time with the "ingredients" of debian then gstreamer/mplayer/totem/xine/mythTV/unreal game engine based games/quake game engine based games/open source engine games/music apps etc. are only a short way away from being toe-to-toe with Vista or OSX. All the features are there for entertainment, just not the polish, polish isn't that hard to add, as Ubuntu has proven.
* There are tons of companies beyond IBM which are making a profit on linux. From embedded apps, to mobiles in china and france, nokia 770, sharp zaurus, sony linux kits. You are simply lying if you try to claim it's not booming. Business != massive corporations, linux by it's nature runs with small companies or with service-oriented companies like IBM. There are 100s of thousands of linux based mobile phones being sold in china, red flag linux is going to be standard on their desktops, brazil and spanish and german government bodies are settling on linux for desktops, many many more government bodies settling on.odt standards over.doc etc. which will drive adoption.
So to sum up: you are wrong about linux not being viable or profitable in business you are wrong, in addition to ignorant or dishonest, about GUI fragmentation being an issue you are wrong about linux not being a threat to the desktop, it's a threat to the corporate desktop right now and shows no indication of slowing down for the home desktop in the years to come
Seeing as Microsoft has billions upon billions more dollars and yet they are pulling all the interesting features out of vista to try and release it years late and the linux community has already delivered on many of these things (be it beagle, or modern browser or accelerated desktop) then I say that closed source software does have something to learn from linux - just like the original parent said.
I don't know how you got modded up, but I hope you end up -1 at the end of this, I see nothing in your post which warrants a positive score.
You make it sound like pedestrians and cyclists are doing it more than drivers, this is patently false. Talking on your mobile whilst driving is banned where I am, I see it being done all the time. I have *never* seen a cyclist using a mobile, and yet:
"Police last month conducted a week-long blitz in the city, Carlton and along St Kilda Road to nab motorists using a hand held mobile phone while driving. Eighty-three motorists were caught."[1]
I would further add, that quite asides from legality (and a car swerving to miss them and hitting someone else) a cyclist or pedestrian is only really risking their own lives, whereas a car driver is most certainly risking the lives of others while talking on their mobile phone because they are in charge of a what amounts to a deadly weapon when not paying attention. So not only are they more dangerous, but they do it FAR more than cyclists and motorcyclists with whom they share the road. Both of whom use both hands with their vehicle, and wear helmets, making phone use impractical. Your proposition they use it more is preposterous. Pedestrians are on the sidewalk, and don't share the road with drivers, using mobiles is no a major problem. I do agree however, that cyclists shouldn't use headphones, but again I have only seen this a handful of times and it's not illegal where I am.
The bottom line is nobody should be doing it, but implying that cyclists do it more, or are being more rash is simply just anti-bike propaganda. Maybe you feel a little guilty because cars also kill us non-car drivers with your pollution [2] [3]. Yes, the air is a commons, I don't pollute it, and you do, and there is no compensation for the material and proven health effects it has on the non-driving population. Or maybe it's because you are ruining the environment and a cyclist represents someone who is willing to make sacrifices for the betterment of all people on earth [4].
All you lamers saying the chinese don't want freedom are full of shit, nobody really knows what the chinese want, only what the government wants. All you lamers saying "That's the culture there, that's the law there" don't realise our culture in the west wasn't very democratic until recently (check up when women or blacks got the vote in various western democracies, universal franchise is basically only a 20th century phenomenon). So on the memories of the people who died desiring freedom in tiananmen square, chinese people, wanting freedom, I say fuck you for your rationalisations.
Google isn't respecting the chinese, they are disrespecting them. Google is respecting a small elite who use violence to maintain their power.
AND WTF their culture doesn't support democracy.... ever heard of TAIWAN YOU SACK OF SHIT?! It's quite clear people with chinese culture, language and values can live VERY happily and prosperously under democracy.
go learn some history, and buy yourself a backbone while you are at it.
The tiannamen square massicare wasn't against the law in china.
So I guess we should all stop our stupid loud-mouthed western imperialism in criticising it and get on with making some lawfully earned money right? nike sweatshops are often lawful too.
lawful != moral
and "Don't be evil" is a moral statement, not a legal one.
They can drop the motto and I won't complain as hard, but if they try to reap the PR rewards of being a hip dynamic "different from those boring evil companies" company while at the same time censoring they can cop an earfull from me.
and it's not just censorship, they are putting gov propaganda sites @ #1 for falun gong and other searches, so they have become a sub-department of the chinese censorship machine.
Google is right to change the results of South African searchers looking for images and information about the Sharpeville massacre because in the end it's better for Google to be in the South African apartheid market than out of it, and they'd be out if they let them see images like this. Giving them access to some information is better than none and little bits will slip through because you can't censor everything.
What about the ANC you say? Well the South African government considers them terrorists so it's only really obeying the laws of South Africa to change the results of a search for them.
Google is right to change the results of South African searchers looking for images and information about the Sharpeville massacre because in the end it's better for Google to be in the South African apartheid market than out of it, and they'd be out if they let them see images like this. Giving them access to some information is better than none and little bits will slip through because you can't censor everything.
What about the ANC you say? Well the South African government considers them terrorists so it's only really obeying the laws of South Africa to change the results of a search for them.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of an iMac (a new dual core G5 2gighz w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this iMac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, the new firefox build will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various iMacs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a iMac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' identical chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 2 gighz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an iMac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
The editors didn't reveal it was a joke article . It's by "Bonhomie Snoutintroff" for christ's sake and the slash editors put it up like it's serious, and a horde of morons took it seriously, and now a false meme is taking root. Well it is just a load of shit, and this meme needs to be stamped out NOW.
All these editor jokes are amusing, but I don't see why a bunch of computer geeks haven't figured it out yet. THERE ARE NO EDITORS.
There is a script, it deploys the stories at particular intervals. Sometimes the editors do it themselves but all these "dead time" stories are deployed by a script, so the editor probably either doesn't select them, or selects 20 in advance to be dispensed slowly over a give time period.
Of course all the errors are going to slip through when you are mass-approving stories. Just remember subscribers... you are paying for this.
I have seen other GNOME stuff listed under the BSD section a couple of times. It's all a bit of BS if you ask me. Because the G in GNOME stands for GNU. Perhaps timothy mistakenly believes GNOME is a BSD project, I dunno, anything is possible with these editors.
I don't mind the BSD guys using LGPL stuff or GPL stuff, hell I use the OpenBSD derived ssh stuff which totally kicks ass (ubuntu lists it as OpenBSD derived in the bootup and shutdown I believe), but credit where credit is due.
well I am in a rush too, I only have two weeks, so wow, those are some cheap servers, I only have two weeks and a $100 budget to set up my new project. So they will be great for me.
And $14USD per server?! Sounds good for my project we only have two weeks and a $100 budget.
how is referencing to something non-commercial which *is* the future of collaboration a "troll"? I am sorry if I see the future of collaboration as different to Novell's vision, but that's hardly a troll. It was designed to get discussion of really forward-looking collaboration tools going.
You can have apps floating next to you in open croquet for writing and browsing, and better than IMing or calling someone you could just teleport to their location and talk to them. Not that you couldn't have a 3D model of a phone hooked up to a voip app and an IM app floating next to you.
You can show people graphs in 3D and walk around them, establish a "library" where the books on the walls link to PDFs, files as 3D objects. 3D rooms for various purposes. It just goes on and on.
The bottom line is anything you can do in 2D you can do in open croquet and you can also do a lot more.
Indeed, ppl just deride Alan Kay and others because it's using smalltalk and fail to see that imagination behind this.
I wouldn't believe it was good myself for the longest time until I walked through a 3D spreadsheet and started conjuring 3D objects into my rooms. It's "Second Life" but without fees and with much more potential. And it's working now.
I mean I am not totally dissing the Ximian stuff, but that's news for corporate nerds. This looks way further ahead and begins to realise the "VR" net we were all once promised.
All I can say is, "this is not drop shadows people", you have to check it out to believe it.
And before someone complains about smalltalk, it could be done in other ways.
Just look at http://crystal.sourceforge.net/
And one implimentation of it in http://www.planeshift.it/
And yes, there is a problem with non-free 3D acceleration, but they should be working on that too.
http://www.opencroquet.org/
add filesharing, add proximity voip
We shouldn't be talking about this crappy email/calender vision of organisations, everyone should be running a blog, everyone should have a seamless 3D environment with voip.
I don't think it's mod worthy, in fact I think he should be taken to -1. But apparently he doesn't know how the moderation system works... you decide. I always see dupes of comments on slashdot I urge moderators to be on the watch for it.
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Ah cheers for the heads up, I knew about the lawsuit, but didn't realise it was holding releases up. Nice prime UID btw.
Great, but where is all the VoiP and video work we were promised? There was some flamewar between gaim-vv people and the gaim/pidgin lead dev with people claiming he was working in google's interests and ignoring all their work. I don't know what the situation is there and who is at fault (maybe gaim-vv had a crap design/structure and he's legitimately not using that). What I do know is that there is gtalk video calling on the N800 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs ] which is Maemo based and that this hasn't found its way back to desktop linux. Skype are dragging their feet for almost a year after they promised video for linux and their latest alpha (1.4) doesn't even include it. Ekiga has good video, but the sound has never worked to anything remotely resembling a conversation for me.
So the state of linux video calling sucks pretty hard, maybe we get skype video in 6 months, maybe ekiga fix their sound quality, and maybe the gtalk work on the N800 finds its way into the next pidgin....
One thing I do know is that patents and people using proprietary standards are at the root of many of these problems, as the codec skype is using is licenced from some other company, not sure about the gtalk video but why else would they be dragging their feet? And ekiga certainly seems to need some kind of injection of technology, because the stuff they are using now simply does not seem to work.
Here's hoping google invests a little more in Pidgin because it sounds like the main dev is struggling (for whatever reasons) to meet expectations that 2.0 would have video and voice.
Mod parent down, there is a difference between competition between peers and a monopoly doing the same thing. One is legal, the other is not (if government bothers to enforce anti-monopoly laws that is). If MS rolls out this Silverlight to Vista and XP in servicepacks / updates and provides a ton of incentives and free tools to use it on server side that isn't innovation at all, that's leveraging existing monopoly market share in one market to enter a new market. Even if Linux didn't exist, this is an unfair abuse against Adobe.
s pa sp?code=B12&year=2006&sort=A
And Microsoft *is* a monopoly, convicted even, they just bought their way out of sanctions:
"The decision by the Bush administration to vacate the lawsuit that was first initiated in 1998 by the Clinton Justice Department is considered a major victory for Microsoft, which nearly tripled its campaign contributions and more than doubled its lobbying expenditures during its fight against the antitrust case."
http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_26.a
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/indusclient.
And don't tell me open source hasn't innovated - there exists public domain/BSD-style code to implement theora/vorbis ANYWHERE, but vested interests want to keep video locked up with patent encumbered mp3 or AAC audio (which vorbis defeats in listening tests) and patented video codecs (with which theora is competitive and if patents weren't a problem the x264 is one of the best h.264 encoders). The real anti-innovation scam is patent abuse, and monopoly abuse.
omg n00b! obviously you have never dropped a logic bomb through the trap door....
Don't worry about trying to get the word out about free games that run Linux on slashdot. I submitted a story about the new TC:E trailer (and upcoming release) but it seems the editors of the game section are more interested in minor "what if?" stories about potential PS3 features than an actual release of a free Linux (and OS X and windows) game at the end of the week.
e r_for_the_upcoming_True_Combat_release
Those of you with digg accounts, I would appreciate a digg on the same story:
http://www.digg.com/videos_gaming/Watch_the_trail
I don't think it's an incredibly bad submission, I even included the youtube link in the slashdot submission. Oh well, editors will be editors I suppose.
Last I checked:
.odt standards over .doc etc. which will drive adoption.
* Linux was making multi-billion dollar profits for IBM a while ago (Yohai Benkler's book "Wealth of Networks" pp 47 - 2000 million in 2003 revenues for "linux related services"). That's just one company, there are quite a few others which are "linux companies" before you even start counting the small deployments in thousands of other places making profit in those places.
* There is a major push on two desktops, GNOME and KDE. Who cares if some dev is working on his pet desktop project? You have no evidence that he'd be working on the two main ones if he wasn't. Besides it's called diversity and flexibility (not to mention freedom), I personally use GNOME but on a slower machine fluxbox is awesome. I would add that the two major ones are co-operating extensively with freedesktop to make things work smoothly across desktops. There are alternative shells for windows I believe, that doesn't mean windows is falling apart. You either know nothing about linux or you are trying to mount a dishonest argument.
*Linux is a serious threat to Vista and OSX on many corporate desktops, sure the PR or printing department is still going to need adobe apps etc. But most desktops need email, a browser and office. I would argue that linux at $0 with Firefox, OpenOffice.org 2.0 and Evolution running on the last generation machines is pretty competitive against having to upgrade hardware to run a $200+ vista and $400+ office. This doesn't even mention the third world which is totally adverse to "windows-lite run 2 apps at a time crippleware for poor people". Just look at some of the previews of SuSe 10.1 or install the latest Ubuntu and tell me that it's somehow no appropriate for the corporate desktop. Yes the home desktop is a little further away, but if you look at what Ubuntu can do in a short time with the "ingredients" of debian then gstreamer/mplayer/totem/xine/mythTV/unreal game engine based games/quake game engine based games/open source engine games/music apps etc. are only a short way away from being toe-to-toe with Vista or OSX. All the features are there for entertainment, just not the polish, polish isn't that hard to add, as Ubuntu has proven.
* There are tons of companies beyond IBM which are making a profit on linux. From embedded apps, to mobiles in china and france, nokia 770, sharp zaurus, sony linux kits. You are simply lying if you try to claim it's not booming. Business != massive corporations, linux by it's nature runs with small companies or with service-oriented companies like IBM. There are 100s of thousands of linux based mobile phones being sold in china, red flag linux is going to be standard on their desktops, brazil and spanish and german government bodies are settling on linux for desktops, many many more government bodies settling on
So to sum up:
you are wrong about linux not being viable or profitable in business
you are wrong, in addition to ignorant or dishonest, about GUI fragmentation being an issue
you are wrong about linux not being a threat to the desktop, it's a threat to the corporate desktop right now and shows no indication of slowing down for the home desktop in the years to come
Seeing as Microsoft has billions upon billions more dollars and yet they are pulling all the interesting features out of vista to try and release it years late and the linux community has already delivered on many of these things (be it beagle, or modern browser or accelerated desktop) then I say that closed source software does have something to learn from linux - just like the original parent said.
I don't know how you got modded up, but I hope you end up -1 at the end of this, I see nothing in your post which warrants a positive score.
You make it sound like pedestrians and cyclists are doing it more than drivers, this is patently false. Talking on your mobile whilst driving is banned where I am, I see it being done all the time. I have *never* seen a cyclist using a mobile, and yet:
0 81326981747.htmlm
"Police last month conducted a week-long blitz in the city, Carlton and along St Kilda Road to nab motorists using a hand held mobile phone while driving. Eighty-three motorists were caught."[1]
I would further add, that quite asides from legality (and a car swerving to miss them and hitting someone else) a cyclist or pedestrian is only really risking their own lives, whereas a car driver is most certainly risking the lives of others while talking on their mobile phone because they are in charge of a what amounts to a deadly weapon when not paying attention. So not only are they more dangerous, but they do it FAR more than cyclists and motorcyclists with whom they share the road. Both of whom use both hands with their vehicle, and wear helmets, making phone use impractical. Your proposition they use it more is preposterous. Pedestrians are on the sidewalk, and don't share the road with drivers, using mobiles is no a major problem. I do agree however, that cyclists shouldn't use headphones, but again I have only seen this a handful of times and it's not illegal where I am.
The bottom line is nobody should be doing it, but implying that cyclists do it more, or are being more rash is simply just anti-bike propaganda. Maybe you feel a little guilty because cars also kill us non-car drivers with your pollution [2] [3]. Yes, the air is a commons, I don't pollute it, and you do, and there is no compensation for the material and proven health effects it has on the non-driving population. Or maybe it's because you are ruining the environment and a cyclist represents someone who is willing to make sacrifices for the betterment of all people on earth [4].
[1]http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/10/1
[2]http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Air/health.asp
[3]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/369169.stm
[4]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4761804.st
you make it sound like the people don't want it. you are wrong, the government is the entity that doesn't want it.
some chinese did want freedom of speech, they went out into tiananmen square and the government killed them.
As it happened
Google magic at work
All you lamers saying the chinese don't want freedom are full of shit, nobody really knows what the chinese want, only what the government wants. All you lamers saying "That's the culture there, that's the law there" don't realise our culture in the west wasn't very democratic until recently (check up when women or blacks got the vote in various western democracies, universal franchise is basically only a 20th century phenomenon). So on the memories of the people who died desiring freedom in tiananmen square, chinese people, wanting freedom, I say fuck you for your rationalisations.
Google isn't respecting the chinese, they are disrespecting them. Google is respecting a small elite who use violence to maintain their power.
AND WTF their culture doesn't support democracy.... ever heard of TAIWAN YOU SACK OF SHIT?! It's quite clear people with chinese culture, language and values can live VERY happily and prosperously under democracy.
go learn some history, and buy yourself a backbone while you are at it.
The tiannamen square massicare wasn't against the law in china.
So I guess we should all stop our stupid loud-mouthed western imperialism in criticising it and get on with making some lawfully earned money right? nike sweatshops are often lawful too.
lawful != moral
and "Don't be evil" is a moral statement, not a legal one.
They can drop the motto and I won't complain as hard, but if they try to reap the PR rewards of being a hip dynamic "different from those boring evil companies" company while at the same time censoring they can cop an earfull from me.
and it's not just censorship, they are putting gov propaganda sites @ #1 for falun gong and other searches, so they have become a sub-department of the chinese censorship machine.
Google is right to change the results of South African searchers looking for images and information about the Sharpeville massacre because in the end it's better for Google to be in the South African apartheid market than out of it, and they'd be out if they let them see images like this. Giving them access to some information is better than none and little bits will slip through because you can't censor everything.
What about the ANC you say? Well the South African government considers them terrorists so it's only really obeying the laws of South Africa to change the results of a search for them.
I think it's clear Google shouldn't boycott the South African government because in the end what can Google really do? What would a boycott ever achieve?
Google is staying true to it's motto "Don't be evil" by making compromises that you absolutists simply don't understand.
Google is right to change the results of South African searchers looking for images and information about the Sharpeville massacre because in the end it's better for Google to be in the South African apartheid market than out of it, and they'd be out if they let them see images like this. Giving them access to some information is better than none and little bits will slip through because you can't censor everything.
What about the ANC you say? Well the South African government considers them terrorists so it's only really obeying the laws of South Africa to change the results of a search for them.
I think it's clear Google shouldn't boycott the South African government because in the end what can Google really do? What would a boycott ever achieve?
Google is staying true to it's motto "Don't be evil" by making compromises that you absolutists simply don't understand.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of an iMac (a new dual core G5 2gighz w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this iMac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, the new firefox build will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various iMacs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a iMac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' identical chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 2 gighz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an iMac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
it's a joke, laugh
Birds like shiny things, add too that the power of the ring and they would take the ring for themselves.
Frodo: The ring is mine!
Eagle: O RLY?!
We all know who would win that battle and I, for one, welcome out new invisible giant eagle overlords.
trollzor
Mod this cretin into oblivion, I want to see a smoking crater mods. He is basing his analysis on an article posted to slashdot a short while ago.
The editors didn't reveal it was a joke article . It's by "Bonhomie Snoutintroff" for christ's sake and the slash editors put it up like it's serious, and a horde of morons took it seriously, and now a false meme is taking root. Well it is just a load of shit, and this meme needs to be stamped out NOW.
you have quite good spelling.
no wait, I mean:
you have quit good spelling.
All these editor jokes are amusing, but I don't see why a bunch of computer geeks haven't figured it out yet. THERE ARE NO EDITORS.
There is a script, it deploys the stories at particular intervals. Sometimes the editors do it themselves but all these "dead time" stories are deployed by a script, so the editor probably either doesn't select them, or selects 20 in advance to be dispensed slowly over a give time period.
Of course all the errors are going to slip through when you are mass-approving stories. Just remember subscribers... you are paying for this.
I have seen other GNOME stuff listed under the BSD section a couple of times. It's all a bit of BS if you ask me. Because the G in GNOME stands for GNU. Perhaps timothy mistakenly believes GNOME is a BSD project, I dunno, anything is possible with these editors. I don't mind the BSD guys using LGPL stuff or GPL stuff, hell I use the OpenBSD derived ssh stuff which totally kicks ass (ubuntu lists it as OpenBSD derived in the bootup and shutdown I believe), but credit where credit is due.
well I am in a rush too, I only have two weeks, so wow, those are some cheap servers, I only have two weeks and a $100 budget to set up my new project. So they will be great for me. And $14USD per server?! Sounds good for my project we only have two weeks and a $100 budget.
how is referencing to something non-commercial which *is* the future of collaboration a "troll"? I am sorry if I see the future of collaboration as different to Novell's vision, but that's hardly a troll. It was designed to get discussion of really forward-looking collaboration tools going.
You can have apps floating next to you in open croquet for writing and browsing, and better than IMing or calling someone you could just teleport to their location and talk to them. Not that you couldn't have a 3D model of a phone hooked up to a voip app and an IM app floating next to you.
You can show people graphs in 3D and walk around them, establish a "library" where the books on the walls link to PDFs, files as 3D objects. 3D rooms for various purposes. It just goes on and on.
The bottom line is anything you can do in 2D you can do in open croquet and you can also do a lot more.
Indeed, ppl just deride Alan Kay and others because it's using smalltalk and fail to see that imagination behind this.
I wouldn't believe it was good myself for the longest time until I walked through a 3D spreadsheet and started conjuring 3D objects into my rooms. It's "Second Life" but without fees and with much more potential. And it's working now.
I mean I am not totally dissing the Ximian stuff, but that's news for corporate nerds. This looks way further ahead and begins to realise the "VR" net we were all once promised.
All I can say is, "this is not drop shadows people", you have to check it out to believe it.
And before someone complains about smalltalk, it could be done in other ways.
Just look at http://crystal.sourceforge.net/
And one implimentation of it in http://www.planeshift.it/
And yes, there is a problem with non-free 3D acceleration, but they should be working on that too.
http://www.opencroquet.org/ add filesharing, add proximity voip We shouldn't be talking about this crappy email/calender vision of organisations, everyone should be running a blog, everyone should have a seamless 3D environment with voip.
this comment is a dupe of the FIRST comment from the previous mention
I don't think it's mod worthy, in fact I think he should be taken to -1. But apparently he doesn't know how the moderation system works... you decide. I always see dupes of comments on slashdot I urge moderators to be on the watch for it.
just don't show your boss the citadel logo on the page