I am happy this sort of thing happens, too. But for different reasons. I enjoy watching greedy corps shoot themselves in the foot. Unfortunately I work for one of them, but probably not for long.:)
Nothing but sinking ships, the whole lot of 'em.
Don't any of you slashdot anti-IP drones find any irony in the fact that the OSS paradigm is largely based on respect and props for the hard, easily duplicable work of others?
Not at all. For every selfish person there are at least 3 people who want to give and share and help, like me.
What are you affraid of? Progress?
"The sad truth is you would rather Follow the school into the net Cuz swimming alone at sea Is not the kind of freedom you actually want." -NOFX
...which allows it to compete with such certified operating systems as Windows (from Microsoft), Solaris (from Sun), HP-UX (from HP) and AIX (from IBM).
This is why I don't like certifications. They don't actually say anything about how Linux can compete with any other operating system, but they make people like you think they do.
If the church gives you a piece of paper that says you are going to heaven do you actually believe that you will go to heaven?
If a University gives you a degree does that degree say you know anything about anything?
How many MCSEs does it take to change a lightbulb?
How many certs make you valuable?
None of them change your value or affect your knowledge in any way. So stop placing any value in them. Or I will think you a fool.
I have more conviction than Christians because I actually believe my God, Linus Torvalds, exists. And I have proof.
Though it may be a bit of a stretch to call Richard Stallman his son. All I know is his second coming will bring about the end of this world and the birth of a new one.;)
Ultra 5 need to be resurrected because their cheap PC harddrives fail after a few years of use. I personally had to fix 10 to 15 failed drives in a lab of about 30 Ultra 5s, most of them just got stuck.
Why people still trust Sun equipment is beyond me. I've come to the conclusion that all equipment will fail, plan for failure. And use cheap PC equipment because its easy to work with. Unless you absolutely NEED something like a SunFire 15k. But if money was no object I'd rather have an Altix or a mainframe depending on the requirements.
Either they have complied with the court order or they have not!
"for the most part" does not mean compliance.
Either Linux is infringing on SCOs claims to copyright or it is not.
SCO still has yet to submit any proof and the Linux community thinks they never had it to begin with. So whether you like it or not IBM and Linux are innocent until proven guilty. Now go RTFA until you find some proof and compliance or stop wasting our time.
Really? We were putting computers in our classrooms in the 50s? And had plans to mine the moon? Wow, I should read more history.
I wonder if Americans ever had any enthusiasm for science or the future. Its always been about greed, IMO. Greed via slavery to start, but now its better, isn't it.
No, actually you're right. Technology changes so fast we should do away with these expensive sockets alltogether. Just burn the chips directly onto the prototype motherboards and support 'em like a crazy mofo! Whatever floats your boat. Its your time, life and money.
Never fear, the system in the US will not allow SCO to continue to exist indefinitely. It's going to take a long time, much longer than I would prefer, but when it's over SCO will be a smoking crater.
I know, but there's nothing to prevent another SCO from doing the same thing. What if you start a business that gets attacked by a dozen greedy corps trying to profit from your work? How can anyone defend themselves against these tactics? Its very suttle how SCO manages to avoid direct confrontation, but they are affecting the perceptive value of countless businesses, which unfortunately affects their real value. SCO might eventually pay for it but this does not change the reality of the situation.
If life is going to be based on games like these then we should make the entire legal system free. As in all lawyers should be paid by the government with our tax dollars. That way we can all afford to play.
Combining a system of currency and trade with human behavior and our understanding of psychology creates the countinuous state of manipulation we all exist in here today. Theoretically capitalism isn't this unethical. Unfortunately reality isn't based on theory.
Capitalism combined with human nature and modern media has direct consequences to our society and each of our psyches. We are all manipulating eachother all the time for the economy, or at least the percieved value of the economy and thus ourselves. How does something like keeping-up-with-the-jones or Christmas happen without manipulation? Its because in our society its "cool" to fit in and be like everyone else, even if you don't agree with them. We just fly our flags and drink our Coke and vote our party so we don't have to take any chances and think for ourselves or speak up.
Yeah and can you imagine what might happen to the atmosphere if we built a bunch of rockets that left radioactive contrails?
Why do I care about these things? Should I? I mean, it should certainly be cheaper and the chances of these radioactive particles falling into my food are relatively low.
So as long as we keep the launches on the southern half of the hemisphere I'll vote for it.
Money is worth more than life to me, when enough of you convince me it is.:)
The way I justify this is I think cable TV should be free as long as they want to advertise on it. If I'm paying for it they are stealing my time and should be forced to pay me for it. My time is far more expensive than the cost of cable TV.
Do you think a 10000 pin chip can really be trimmed to a 4000 pin chip without making huge compromises?
Yes.
Like you said some pins are used for memory bus bandwidth and power. Build a generic configuration that supports enough power and bus pins for all your average 256-bit wide buses. So each generic socket would have like 1000 pins. Enough to have direct CPU-CPU, CPU-Memory, and CPU-IO buses and power.
I don't design hardware, but if I did I wouldn't waste so much time redesigning it every year.
I'm affraid of a system that allows corporations like SCO to exist. They should have been forced to put up or shut up, like they were in Germany. But here in the US our legal system offers no protection to businesses or consumers from corporations that behave like SCO. Even worse our leading technology corporations, Sun and Microsoft, are only too happy to support the enemy of their enemy, no matter what the consequences might be to honest hard-working Americans. So if you want to build something and make some progress against these stagnant giants be prepared to build a multi-million dollar legal defense fund to protect your interests.
These unethical capitalists and their actions make me very affraid for the future and welfare of our society. Don't forget these corporations have a lot of influence in the media. How far do you think they'd be willing to go to make a profit? Judging from America's favorite "reality" shows I bet most people would do just about anything for money. Even if it means selling us all out, selling our children's future, etc, etc, etc.
Doesn't this bother anyone? This is a very serious social and psychological problem. And it is a feedback loop that won't fix itself. The media, education system, judicial, legislative, and executive systems all rely on the status quo for job security. What incentive do they have to improve things or change? In fact, they lie to us in order to maintain the status quo (Advertisements, War on Drugs). This is a cycle of continuous manipulation that's called capitalism.
Watch the movie Grass sometime, maybe it will make a little more sense to you.
How did they get those Pentium chips to run in 486 motherboards? Wasn't that some sort of socket bridge they built between the CPU and the board? At least until they started making pin-compatible 586 class CPUs for the old 486 motherboards as options to upgrade to people who already purchased the old hardware. I see no reason why they couldn't do this same thing between low and high end 32-bit chips, and eventually 64-bit or whatever the future holds if they planned for it ahead of time.
BTW, why do you think they keep increasing pin count? Do you think a 10000 pin chip would be faster than a 4000 pin chip or something? I bet only about half the pins are actually needed to make the system operational. 800 pins is probably more than enough for this generation of technology. So why not standardize the socket type?
Or if you must build a new socket call it socket 8, design it the right way, and attempt to build backwards capatibility into some sort of bridges or something.
Modern society wouldn't exist without the idustrial revolution. It wouldn't exist without computers or our understanding of the world we live in. This understanding comes from science, not religion.
Laws are interesting, but look at how little law and the social structure of society has changed over the last 2000 years. Society would be a little different without technology and education, but it would still work more or less the same way it does today. It just wouldn't be as fun or modern. With more radical and fundamenatlist religions, less freedom and truth, etc. Like the middle east.
But progress, real progress, comes from science.
If you don't believe this, take a psychology class or just read a book on psychology. Its all in there.
Progress can be as simple as improving your environment. But to understand what I mean by environment... Right now, what do you see, hear, taste, smell and feel? Your environment is all of that, back throughout your whole life. Throughout our lives we hear a lot, even if we don't listen to it. We see a lot, even out of the corner of our eyes. And everything in this environment of ours affects our psyche.
Progress is simply improving it. Doesn't sound so difficult does it. So why do we have such a hard time progressing? Because we don't understand how important science is, we don't understand psychology, we don't know ourselves or what we need. And we're not open minded enough to listen to lunatics like me.:)
George W. Bush could declare Linux the official OS of the government, get a Penguin tattoo and give Linus Torvalds the Medal of Freedom and/. would still find a way to bag on him for it.
Of course we would. He lied about his reasons to take us into one of the most costly wars we've fought in the last century. War is something I don't easily forget about. And calling me unpatriotic for not supporting a war? He's lucky I'm not a terrorist!
The human psyche can only take so much of this insanity. One day it will snap. There are 250 million psyches we have to worry about inside our borders. How many snapped last year? I've been counting since he got elected and the rate seems to be increasing. I remember when I went to High School it was a rare occurence for kids to shoot eachother for the fun of it.
I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and a Happy Highly Alert New Year.
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I am happy this sort of thing happens, too. But for different reasons. I enjoy watching greedy corps shoot themselves in the foot. Unfortunately I work for one of them, but probably not for long. :)
Nothing but sinking ships, the whole lot of 'em.
Don't any of you slashdot anti-IP drones find any irony in the fact that the OSS paradigm is largely based on respect and props for the hard, easily duplicable work of others?
Not at all. For every selfish person there are at least 3 people who want to give and share and help, like me.
What are you affraid of? Progress?
"The sad truth is you would rather
Follow the school into the net
Cuz swimming alone at sea
Is not the kind of freedom you actually want."
-NOFX
...which allows it to compete with such certified operating systems as Windows (from Microsoft), Solaris (from Sun), HP-UX (from HP) and AIX (from IBM).
This is why I don't like certifications. They don't actually say anything about how Linux can compete with any other operating system, but they make people like you think they do.
If the church gives you a piece of paper that says you are going to heaven do you actually believe that you will go to heaven?
If a University gives you a degree does that degree say you know anything about anything?
How many MCSEs does it take to change a lightbulb?
How many certs make you valuable?
None of them change your value or affect your knowledge in any way. So stop placing any value in them. Or I will think you a fool.
I'm waiting for the iPod to support OGG. If something else comes along before then I might pick it up instead.
I have more conviction than Christians because I actually believe my God, Linus Torvalds, exists. And I have proof.
;)
Though it may be a bit of a stretch to call Richard Stallman his son. All I know is his second coming will bring about the end of this world and the birth of a new one.
Christians are funny.
Ultra 5 need to be resurrected because their cheap PC harddrives fail after a few years of use. I personally had to fix 10 to 15 failed drives in a lab of about 30 Ultra 5s, most of them just got stuck.
Why people still trust Sun equipment is beyond me. I've come to the conclusion that all equipment will fail, plan for failure. And use cheap PC equipment because its easy to work with. Unless you absolutely NEED something like a SunFire 15k. But if money was no object I'd rather have an Altix or a mainframe depending on the requirements.
It is possible to change things around.
You think so? Just try it sometime. I dare ya.
Either they have complied with the court order or they have not!
"for the most part" does not mean compliance.
Either Linux is infringing on SCOs claims to copyright or it is not.
SCO still has yet to submit any proof and the Linux community thinks they never had it to begin with. So whether you like it or not IBM and Linux are innocent until proven guilty. Now go RTFA until you find some proof and compliance or stop wasting our time.
Batter Up!
Really? We were putting computers in our classrooms in the 50s? And had plans to mine the moon? Wow, I should read more history.
I wonder if Americans ever had any enthusiasm for science or the future. Its always been about greed, IMO. Greed via slavery to start, but now its better, isn't it.
Build more!
:)
China has lots of people, needs more bandwidth.
A study of the social side-effects and environmental impact of commercialism and capitalism.
If Linux (or any OS) dominates to the extent Microsoft has we all lose.
:)
So what you are saying is we've already lost?
No, actually you're right. Technology changes so fast we should do away with these expensive sockets alltogether. Just burn the chips directly onto the prototype motherboards and support 'em like a crazy mofo! Whatever floats your boat. Its your time, life and money.
Never fear, the system in the US will not allow SCO to continue to exist indefinitely. It's going to take a long time, much longer than I would prefer, but when it's over SCO will be a smoking crater.
I know, but there's nothing to prevent another SCO from doing the same thing. What if you start a business that gets attacked by a dozen greedy corps trying to profit from your work? How can anyone defend themselves against these tactics? Its very suttle how SCO manages to avoid direct confrontation, but they are affecting the perceptive value of countless businesses, which unfortunately affects their real value. SCO might eventually pay for it but this does not change the reality of the situation.
If life is going to be based on games like these then we should make the entire legal system free. As in all lawyers should be paid by the government with our tax dollars. That way we can all afford to play.
Combining a system of currency and trade with human behavior and our understanding of psychology creates the countinuous state of manipulation we all exist in here today. Theoretically capitalism isn't this unethical. Unfortunately reality isn't based on theory.
Capitalism combined with human nature and modern media has direct consequences to our society and each of our psyches. We are all manipulating eachother all the time for the economy, or at least the percieved value of the economy and thus ourselves. How does something like keeping-up-with-the-jones or Christmas happen without manipulation? Its because in our society its "cool" to fit in and be like everyone else, even if you don't agree with them. We just fly our flags and drink our Coke and vote our party so we don't have to take any chances and think for ourselves or speak up.
Yeah and can you imagine what might happen to the atmosphere if we built a bunch of rockets that left radioactive contrails?
:)
Why do I care about these things? Should I? I mean, it should certainly be cheaper and the chances of these radioactive particles falling into my food are relatively low.
So as long as we keep the launches on the southern half of the hemisphere I'll vote for it.
Money is worth more than life to me, when enough of you convince me it is.
The way I justify this is I think cable TV should be free as long as they want to advertise on it. If I'm paying for it they are stealing my time and should be forced to pay me for it. My time is far more expensive than the cost of cable TV.
Do you think a 10000 pin chip can really be trimmed to a 4000 pin chip without making huge compromises?
Yes.
Like you said some pins are used for memory bus bandwidth and power. Build a generic configuration that supports enough power and bus pins for all your average 256-bit wide buses. So each generic socket would have like 1000 pins. Enough to have direct CPU-CPU, CPU-Memory, and CPU-IO buses and power.
I don't design hardware, but if I did I wouldn't waste so much time redesigning it every year.
I'm affraid of a system that allows corporations like SCO to exist. They should have been forced to put up or shut up, like they were in Germany. But here in the US our legal system offers no protection to businesses or consumers from corporations that behave like SCO. Even worse our leading technology corporations, Sun and Microsoft, are only too happy to support the enemy of their enemy, no matter what the consequences might be to honest hard-working Americans. So if you want to build something and make some progress against these stagnant giants be prepared to build a multi-million dollar legal defense fund to protect your interests.
These unethical capitalists and their actions make me very affraid for the future and welfare of our society. Don't forget these corporations have a lot of influence in the media. How far do you think they'd be willing to go to make a profit? Judging from America's favorite "reality" shows I bet most people would do just about anything for money. Even if it means selling us all out, selling our children's future, etc, etc, etc.
Doesn't this bother anyone? This is a very serious social and psychological problem. And it is a feedback loop that won't fix itself. The media, education system, judicial, legislative, and executive systems all rely on the status quo for job security. What incentive do they have to improve things or change? In fact, they lie to us in order to maintain the status quo (Advertisements, War on Drugs). This is a cycle of continuous manipulation that's called capitalism.
Watch the movie Grass sometime, maybe it will make a little more sense to you.
How did they get those Pentium chips to run in 486 motherboards? Wasn't that some sort of socket bridge they built between the CPU and the board? At least until they started making pin-compatible 586 class CPUs for the old 486 motherboards as options to upgrade to people who already purchased the old hardware. I see no reason why they couldn't do this same thing between low and high end 32-bit chips, and eventually 64-bit or whatever the future holds if they planned for it ahead of time.
BTW, why do you think they keep increasing pin count? Do you think a 10000 pin chip would be faster than a 4000 pin chip or something? I bet only about half the pins are actually needed to make the system operational. 800 pins is probably more than enough for this generation of technology. So why not standardize the socket type?
Unfortunately society will go on ignoring the concepts that make the Linux community such a powerful force.
People are too cowardly to embrace anarchy, and to accept eachother for what we really are. So..
Follow the school into the net
Cuz swimming alone at sea
Is not the kind of freedom you actually want.
NOFX
Or if you must build a new socket call it socket 8, design it the right way, and attempt to build backwards capatibility into some sort of bridges or something.
Business as usual?
Or do we think they learned anything from buying GNU/Linux companies?
Only time will tell.
So people do hang around despite imminent doom.
Are you sure they don't hang around because the imminent doom? I mean just look at the state of the union.
Modern society wouldn't exist without the idustrial revolution. It wouldn't exist without computers or our understanding of the world we live in. This understanding comes from science, not religion.
:)
Laws are interesting, but look at how little law and the social structure of society has changed over the last 2000 years. Society would be a little different without technology and education, but it would still work more or less the same way it does today. It just wouldn't be as fun or modern. With more radical and fundamenatlist religions, less freedom and truth, etc. Like the middle east.
But progress, real progress, comes from science.
If you don't believe this, take a psychology class or just read a book on psychology. Its all in there.
Progress can be as simple as improving your environment. But to understand what I mean by environment... Right now, what do you see, hear, taste, smell and feel? Your environment is all of that, back throughout your whole life. Throughout our lives we hear a lot, even if we don't listen to it. We see a lot, even out of the corner of our eyes. And everything in this environment of ours affects our psyche.
Progress is simply improving it. Doesn't sound so difficult does it. So why do we have such a hard time progressing? Because we don't understand how important science is, we don't understand psychology, we don't know ourselves or what we need. And we're not open minded enough to listen to lunatics like me.
George W. Bush could declare Linux the official OS of the government, get a Penguin tattoo and give Linus Torvalds the Medal of Freedom and /. would still find a way to bag on him for it.
Of course we would. He lied about his reasons to take us into one of the most costly wars we've fought in the last century. War is something I don't easily forget about. And calling me unpatriotic for not supporting a war? He's lucky I'm not a terrorist!
The human psyche can only take so much of this insanity. One day it will snap. There are 250 million psyches we have to worry about inside our borders. How many snapped last year? I've been counting since he got elected and the rate seems to be increasing. I remember when I went to High School it was a rare occurence for kids to shoot eachother for the fun of it.
I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and a Happy Highly Alert New Year.