Hrmm, we could start with market trust. There was a time not too long ago no self respecting IT manager would let an AMD chip within a thousand feet of his DC. Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel...
We could then move to "best tool for the job". Last I checked, AMD was never ahead in EVERY benchmark. Was it the better chip overall? Sure... but that doesn't mean it was the best for EVERY job.
Pricing? Core2 wipes the floor with A64 and is still priced lower, turns out Intel has 10x the fab capacity and has absolutely no issue selling chips at a lower price "legally".
That is PURE speculation. Please provide us with said documents you have showing what Dell is paying per chip from intel. Until you provide such documents, please go back to your armchair expert corner.
An integrated Web browser, inseperable (or with great effort) from the core OS Every linux distro I'm aware of currently ships with a browser included... I've found it just as easy to remove IE as it is to remove mozilla.
NO Support for Firewall (I don't trust Microsoft's FireWall) uhhh... zone alarm, blackice, your choice of offerings from symantec, kerio, kaspersky, the list goes on and on...
NO NATIVE DVD Player (due to "licence" cost) ...windows media player plays DVD's, VLC is free for download. Linux doesn't include any DVD player by default...
NO Ability to set permissions on files for multiple users try right click properties and set your file permissions...
PISS-POOR Command Line Interface (try renaming 10 files, under Windows) batch files my computer die-hard friend!
PISS-POOR User Management (try creating more than 10 accounts) Ok, I have 10, now what?
NO SECURE AUTOMATION of COMMON TASKS (user management, file management,etc ) Task scheduler...
No, look how horrid government regulated service is in this country:
water and sewer for instance. What a screwjob!@ I bet if we let enron run our water, the bill would drop in HALF!!
And ENERGY! We need to free that up EVERYWHERE! Look what it's done for the east coast (apparently they didn't learn from the enron fiasco). Their bills have increased 700% since making it an "open market".
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it just wasn't effective on you because of your aforementioned other drug "experiments". It turns out things like morphine are basically worthless to ex-crack addicts because they've built up an immunity/tolerance to things that take away pain for most of us.
As someone who was also recently in the hospital, and also recently had morphine, it most definitely takes away the pain.
... that makes no sense. If they use GSM and are using SIM cards, they have no choice. You put the SIM into the phone and that's it. I've used countless unlocked phones with my cingular plan that I never purchased from them, and they were never aware I owned. I've also given old phones to my girlfriend many times, and she's done the same.
I can tell you that they do in fact have some clued techs on the backline. As I said in another post, I can only confirm this because they OEM our hardware and we have direct links back to their engineering. As you found out and can attest to though, the normal user calling into support doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being connected to a clued engineer, and you're better off googling yourself then trying their main phone lines.
I don't buy it. HP fully supports RHEL and SLES, and have for quite some time, and again I've yet to find a clued tech among their L1 or L2. It takes engineering involvement to get someone who even knows what a kernel is. The only reason I've EVER managed to come in contact with them is because they OEM our hardware.
I think the slashdot community is out of touch with who is really running linux. I can't even begin to guesstimate the amount of clueless windows admins who were thrown a linux box and told to figure it out. Yes on *expensive* blade systems. Yes with 0 linux experience. And yes, they really do call up asking for support because they paid for contracts. Nobody said their bosses were clued, and I'm sure they weren't all about losing their job when given the option of figuring it out or taking a walk.
I can tell you from real-life experience working with these fools that they are out there, and there are a LOT of them.
pretty high. I deal with "admins" on a daily basis trying to install drivers for our FC gear on redhat and can't figure out how to run an install script that is literally./install.
Well I assumed as much, most major tech corporations today have their fingers in all sorts of open source projects. What do you think the odds of joe schmoe trying to compile the latest kernel getting help from those guys are though? In my experience I've found there's a VERY large void between the lemmings and the experts at HP, and 9 times out of 10, you get stuck in that void trying to get support.
HP can barely handle the point and click associated with RHEL and Windows. I'm at a loss as to who in that company is going to support Debian. I know it's surely not their L1 or L2 phone techs.
I don't, the size of the app alone to get the OS into a VM would take days to download on most people's "broadband". Knowing most mom and pops the computer would be turned off long before it could finish.
I support Redhat because I work with them on a daily basis and see what they contribute to the community. They've given far more than they've ever taken. I could start making lists but I think that's beyond the scope of this thread.
Bullshit. Small claims court costs nothing. I know what an RH9 cost, and you definitely aren't beyond the scope of small claims court. It would cost you nothing, and them plenty to defend themselves. I would venture to guess they'd just pay you before bothering to send a lawyer to court to defend themselves.
Not really. There aren't very many people reading this that are making the decisions on whether they use RHEL or debian. When the CEO wants accountability, you have RHEL or SLES, and that's it.
Well aware of it, but when people are spewing bullshit and wasting valuable bandwidth that's when it's time to tell them to stop. Just like I'd tell Ann Coulter and Michael Moore to shut the fuck up on any number of subjects. Freedom of speech does not equate to "run your mouth until you pass out". People in this country tend to forget that every now and again.
Yes, it's how Redhat "rips off" the entire community. Buy a fucking clue. Why don't you take a look at all the contributions Redhat has made back to linux, and then shut your fucking trap. Yes, they're bad for ripping people off on the whole RH9 deal, but really, take them to court or get the fuck over it. They're one of, if not the only reason linux has come along as far as it has.
It's no different than them hosting usenet servers. When contacted by copyright holders they are required to remove the infringing material(s). As long as they aren't actively monitoring what they're caching, they aren't required by law to do anything about it. +1 for legal precedence before lobbyists took over our government (at least the telecom portion).
Because this discussion isn't about Redhat, it's about Fedora. This isn't the time or place to rant about how much you hate Redhat. Anyone willing to type all that on this forum under these circumstances has emotional baggage, plain and simple.
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Do we get dibs on the sweet wheelchair if he dies?
Hrmm, we could start with market trust. There was a time not too long ago no self respecting IT manager would let an AMD chip within a thousand feet of his DC. Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel...
We could then move to "best tool for the job". Last I checked, AMD was never ahead in EVERY benchmark. Was it the better chip overall? Sure... but that doesn't mean it was the best for EVERY job.
Pricing? Core2 wipes the floor with A64 and is still priced lower, turns out Intel has 10x the fab capacity and has absolutely no issue selling chips at a lower price "legally".
That is PURE speculation. Please provide us with said documents you have showing what Dell is paying per chip from intel. Until you provide such documents, please go back to your armchair expert corner.
I think you're quickly forgetting that Dell had, and dropped the Itanium. An upgrade path "beyond x86" is overrated.
search for "dell 6850" for reference.
Ouch, you're wrong on just about every single bullet!
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-NO BACKUP Utility (Even *NIX has tar/gzip) and crond
you mean like this?
An integrated Web browser, inseperable (or with great effort) from the core OS
Every linux distro I'm aware of currently ships with a browser included... I've found it just as easy to remove IE as it is to remove mozilla.
NO Support for Firewall (I don't trust Microsoft's FireWall)
uhhh... zone alarm, blackice, your choice of offerings from symantec, kerio, kaspersky, the list goes on and on...
NO NATIVE DVD Player (due to "licence" cost)
...windows media player plays DVD's, VLC is free for download. Linux doesn't include any DVD player by default...
NO Ability to set permissions on files for multiple users
try right click properties and set your file permissions...
PISS-POOR Command Line Interface (try renaming 10 files, under Windows)
batch files my computer die-hard friend!
PISS-POOR User Management (try creating more than 10 accounts)
Ok, I have 10, now what?
NO SECURE AUTOMATION of COMMON TASKS (user management, file management
Task scheduler...
--feeding the trolls since 95'!
I for one would be more than willing to pay $6,000 for a cardboard cutout of Jessica Alba and Angelina Jolie making out in the nude =)
In this "post 9/11 world" it's good to label everyone you don't agree with a terrorist, because then everyone else will know *just how bad* they suck!
Right which is why speakeasy, one of those "small companies" has far and away the best DSL service in the US.
No, look how horrid government regulated service is in this country:
water and sewer for instance. What a screwjob!@ I bet if we let enron run our water, the bill would drop in HALF!!
And ENERGY! We need to free that up EVERYWHERE! Look what it's done for the east coast (apparently they didn't learn from the enron fiasco). Their bills have increased 700% since making it an "open market".
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it just wasn't effective on you because of your aforementioned other drug "experiments". It turns out things like morphine are basically worthless to ex-crack addicts because they've built up an immunity/tolerance to things that take away pain for most of us.
As someone who was also recently in the hospital, and also recently had morphine, it most definitely takes away the pain.
... that makes no sense. If they use GSM and are using SIM cards, they have no choice. You put the SIM into the phone and that's it. I've used countless unlocked phones with my cingular plan that I never purchased from them, and they were never aware I owned. I've also given old phones to my girlfriend many times, and she's done the same.
I can tell you that they do in fact have some clued techs on the backline. As I said in another post, I can only confirm this because they OEM our hardware and we have direct links back to their engineering. As you found out and can attest to though, the normal user calling into support doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being connected to a clued engineer, and you're better off googling yourself then trying their main phone lines.
I don't buy it. HP fully supports RHEL and SLES, and have for quite some time, and again I've yet to find a clued tech among their L1 or L2. It takes engineering involvement to get someone who even knows what a kernel is. The only reason I've EVER managed to come in contact with them is because they OEM our hardware.
I think the slashdot community is out of touch with who is really running linux. I can't even begin to guesstimate the amount of clueless windows admins who were thrown a linux box and told to figure it out. Yes on *expensive* blade systems. Yes with 0 linux experience. And yes, they really do call up asking for support because they paid for contracts. Nobody said their bosses were clued, and I'm sure they weren't all about losing their job when given the option of figuring it out or taking a walk.
I can tell you from real-life experience working with these fools that they are out there, and there are a LOT of them.
pretty high. I deal with "admins" on a daily basis trying to install drivers for our FC gear on redhat and can't figure out how to run an install script that is literally ./install.
I hate to inform everyone, but the sky is not falling. At least not yet (always keep your towels handy in case it does).
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I always keep mine right on my head...
**yes it's worth the karma points
Well I assumed as much, most major tech corporations today have their fingers in all sorts of open source projects. What do you think the odds of joe schmoe trying to compile the latest kernel getting help from those guys are though? In my experience I've found there's a VERY large void between the lemmings and the experts at HP, and 9 times out of 10, you get stuck in that void trying to get support.
HP can barely handle the point and click associated with RHEL and Windows. I'm at a loss as to who in that company is going to support Debian. I know it's surely not their L1 or L2 phone techs.
I don't, the size of the app alone to get the OS into a VM would take days to download on most people's "broadband". Knowing most mom and pops the computer would be turned off long before it could finish.
I support Redhat because I work with them on a daily basis and see what they contribute to the community. They've given far more than they've ever taken. I could start making lists but I think that's beyond the scope of this thread.
Bullshit. Small claims court costs nothing. I know what an RH9 cost, and you definitely aren't beyond the scope of small claims court. It would cost you nothing, and them plenty to defend themselves. I would venture to guess they'd just pay you before bothering to send a lawyer to court to defend themselves.
Not really. There aren't very many people reading this that are making the decisions on whether they use RHEL or debian. When the CEO wants accountability, you have RHEL or SLES, and that's it.
Well aware of it, but when people are spewing bullshit and wasting valuable bandwidth that's when it's time to tell them to stop. Just like I'd tell Ann Coulter and Michael Moore to shut the fuck up on any number of subjects. Freedom of speech does not equate to "run your mouth until you pass out". People in this country tend to forget that every now and again.
Yes, it's how Redhat "rips off" the entire community. Buy a fucking clue. Why don't you take a look at all the contributions Redhat has made back to linux, and then shut your fucking trap. Yes, they're bad for ripping people off on the whole RH9 deal, but really, take them to court or get the fuck over it. They're one of, if not the only reason linux has come along as far as it has.
It's no different than them hosting usenet servers. When contacted by copyright holders they are required to remove the infringing material(s). As long as they aren't actively monitoring what they're caching, they aren't required by law to do anything about it. +1 for legal precedence before lobbyists took over our government (at least the telecom portion).
no different than news servers. They don't monitor what goes on it, they only respond when contacted by the copyright holder. No harm no foul.
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foot meet mouth.
Because this discussion isn't about Redhat, it's about Fedora. This isn't the time or place to rant about how much you hate Redhat. Anyone willing to type all that on this forum under these circumstances has emotional baggage, plain and simple.
psst: fedora is free, and it isn't Redhat.
I have a question for you though, just how many trucks does it take to carry all that emotional baggage around?