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HP Baited With Cutouts of Founders
eastbayted writes "According to InfoWorld.com, Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz boasts in his public blog that his company has bought a life-size cardboard cut of the HP rival's founders, William Hewlett and David Packard, for $6,000. Sun staffers then went on to bedeck and photograph the dual portrait in pro-Sun paraphernalia. As a parting shot at HP, Schwartz notes in his post how popular a download Solaris is for HP server owners. Taking the bait, HP VP of Marketing Eric Kintz responds in his own blog that Sun's actions were 'a nice stunt' and that 'I never met Bill or Dave, but I bet neither of them would have approved paying thousands for representations of themselves.' He also cites an IDC report about how HP-UX dominates the Unix market over IBM and Sun." Update: 08/28 04:43 GMT by Z : Fixed confusing headline.
please tell me this is a very late april fools story
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
sort of tacky to me.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Well I'm glad to know we're all still being immature and childish.
It's almost as if a News for Nerds website had derogatory icons for Microsoft and Bill Gates, or something.
Oh, wait.
(Seriously, Slahsdot, can we grow up a bit and just have non-insulting icons for these guys? It was funny in 1998, but come ON).
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
Wouldn't it be funny if Steve Jobs painted a Groucho Marx face on Pascal and Von Neumann's cardboard cutout likenesses? Oh wait, no it wouldn't. Sun just shows how utterly childish they are with this stunt.
For those who say "have a sense of humor" I will say "it's not even funny, really".
Reading comprehension fail it... Slashdot's editors are unpaid volunteers, right?
Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
Such actions are expected of young, dumb fanboys. They are a little weird coming from the CEO of a major multinational corporation.
HP's VP, the HPVP (if you will), did good in his response. Fight fire with water.
With all of the free Linuxes around, and even being touted by IBM and others, dominating the traditional 'Unix' market is rapidly becoming like being the leader in Novel IPx networking.
"As for the future, your task is not to foresee it, but to enable it." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
As I type this, the quote at the bottom of the Slashdot page is:
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what value there may be in owning a piece thereof. -- National Lampoon, "Deteriorata"
File this under "things that make you go 'hmmmmmmmmmm...'"
as were DEC, Compaq, Tandem, and everybody else absorbed by HP and Sun,
but they represent the 1970s and 1980s computer booms and the late-90s servers.
For this decade's cardboard cutouts, we need Web 2.0 figures, bloggers, and user-created-content wranglers, and I say who better than our own CowboyNeal!
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...in the meantime our entire VMware infrastructure runs on Dell because they are actually busy making sales calls and setting up meetings with my VP ;)
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Fuck both Sun and HP. For those of us who have real systems to worry about, this sort of bullshit between marketeers and CEOs makes us cringe. Sun could have put that $6000 to good use. That would have been enough to pay an intern for the summer, perhaps one who could have gone through and fixed some of the fairly simple OpenSolaris bugs that are still open, even months after being reported.
Then again, these days it's rare to need the kind of hardware Sun or HP puts out. Several quality Opteron boxes from IBM running FreeBSD or Linux can provide the same level of service and the same reliability as a large Sun or HP system, and often at a far lower cost.
Nobody would blink if Sun took a cheap shot at HP. But making fun of two recently deceased Silicon Valley icons, both of whom are still deeply respected by many in the industry, is pretty poor form.
I should buy some cement.
You will have to forgive me. My definition of PC user has expanded in the past couple of years from big-haired douchebags from Wintel who trolled Tekserve at night trying to get through Crystal Quest or Inside Macintosh. (Ahh, the '80s.) I now use "PC user" as a general term to describe the wannabes who exhibit an attitude of "Yeah, we cool. We're Mac users," when they are clearly from some other part of the universe.
However, to prevent further confusion from the teeming masses, I will use the term poseur. Or in this case, switcheurs. These are the dunderheads who proclaim their trendiness because they use a Mac even though they were probably maximizing their windows until last week.
They try to act counterculture by making comments about good taste and how everything is beige, and think of themselves as nonconformists, which is laughable since all they are doing is conforming to another lifestyle.
What is really pathetic is when these expatriates proclaim their love for their adopted platform. When I hear it I cringe and automatically think of that Daphna Kalfon song "I Love My Mac." Not that there is anything wrong with Daphna.
That phrase reeks of such vomit-inducing pretension. You think you are cooler than the rest of the world because of your computer? Because of your zero-button mouse? Because of the fact that you have to manually sort the Desktop because you don't understand the Mac's right-handed icon arrangement? Where I come from, this is called "trying too hard."
The Mac platform today is ground zero for the switcheur epidemic, which means more tourists and more expatriates moving in. It has become way too mainstream and too damn self-congratulatory to live here. And with more corporate giants moving in, the Mac is so ovah.
Who do I talk to about getting their cardboard cutout business? SIX GRAND???? That's 15 times too much for a cardboard cutout of anything.
These guys have lost their focus. I'm a business owner myself ( a bit smaller than Sun and HP, though ) and I would never encourage my employees to act or think like this. Beating your competition is the side effect that you derive from pleasing customers. It is not the goal.
http://blogs.msdn.com/sandyk/archive/2006/02/24/53 8832.aspx
I especially like this one: "Sun Microsystems: Where Unix came to die."
Obliterate advertising!
At least they're wasting far too much money on their marketing department, and not their legal one.
I think the art (and technology) project behind this, "Pioneers Hitchhiking in the Valley of Heart's Delight", particularly Hewlett and Packard's travelogue is more interesting than the post. Ironic how HP wouldn't allow the cutout into their lobby!
Wow, I never knew that Hewlett and Packard founded the Sun Microsystems company. The things you learn on Slashdot...
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After losing money and market share for four years one would hope that Sun finds something better to do than running around with cardboard cut-outs. Perhaps on the day Sun declares bankruptcy they should celebrate it with their own puppet show.
Schwartz is in the middle of trying to pull Sun out of a very deep hole. The company's stock is still trading at under $5/share. It faces tremendous competition from above and below, and it has been shedding employees like a duck sheds water. There are times when publicity stunts like this are a good idea. For example, when you're the young upstart and you want to poke fun at the established titans of industry.
Spending thousands of dollars to buy a cutout of highly respected founders of Silicon Valley, then to bedeck them in garish Sun paraphanalia is juvenile, tacky, and demonstrative of an utterly deranged public relations department. Sun *is* an established titan of industry, one that has been hurting for years. Attempts to look like a saucy underdog just make the company look pathetic.
Make kick-ass products. Give customers what they want, and then some. Ready your history. Examine how IBM, Apple, and yes, HP recovered from their missteps. Earn respect. Don't endanger it by resorting to head-scratching 9th grade pep rally moves like this.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
In 2004, the management at Sun Microsystems terminated any more development on high-end processors and high-end servers. According to an article by The Register, Sun now sells re-branded Fujitsu servers as Sun's high-end servers. Fujitsu is an OEM for Sun.
Sun engineers still work on low-end multi-core processors, but Fujitsu designs and builds all of Sun's high-end processors. The processors that battle IBM's Power5 are Fujitsu SPARC64's.
The hardware division of Sun is now a shell of its former self. Sun management is seeking to close its Sunnyvale campus, which is the location of all of Sun's (former) processor development.
the only way you can pump up your employees is to make fun of your competitor.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Our local VMware SE recommends Sun hardware if customers actually want performance and support. He must be crazy; Dell is soooooo the market leader in technology innovation.
If I wasn't so confused by the summary I'd probably think this was a really pathetic stunt by Sun. I'd also probably think it was really weird and sad that executives are fighting on their blogs.
We always knew Comcast was corrupt, here's the proof: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1909890&cid=34545432
This news day isn't going slow: it's going backwards.
That the "new" HP appears to be stamping out the "HP Way."
...more like heartless and ultimately destructive to both the company and it's employees.
Perhaps Bill and Dave would have been less than amused at Sun's antics. But IMO they'd have considered it trivial and petty.
However the damage done to their own company by mindless expansion and aggrandization - well, lets just say they wouldn't have found that trivial and petty. More like heartless and ultimatly destructive to both the company and it's employees.
-GregThat the "new" HP appears to be stamping out the "HP Way."
Perhaps Bill and Dave would have been less than amused at Sun's antics. But IMO they'd have considered it trivial and petty.
However the damage done to their own company by mindless expansion and aggrandization - well, lets just say they wouldn't have found that trivial and petty
-Greg
Dell is soooooo the market leader in technology innovation.
+1 Funny
-- Alastair
Schwartz had to find a new and innovative way to vent...
and chair throwing / threating to f-cking kill their competitors have already been done.
People used to have careers at large corporations. They provided benefits and a stable income that people could rely on to support their purchase of a home, sending their kids to college, and retiring. People worked at the same company for decades, earning steady promotions and raises. Large companies used to be completely in favor of this. It was the reason most of us were told to "get an education and work hard." It was the reason there used to be a middle class.
And what do we have now?
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
I've been on the fence on who to purchase from to implement a few servers for a high-end client of mine. I've been deciding for 1 week on weather to choose Sun, HP or IBM. I've now just ruled Sun out, I'm not wasting my money on such an immature company. I've already wasted my money in a huge company that proved to be run by immature little bastards, which ended up costing me close to $11,000 USD in the long run - never again.
For those that don't need the high-end HP-UX (or Solaris or AIX) hardware, HP, like IBM, also puts out quality Opteron (or Xeon, if you lean that way) server-class boxes running Linux, everything from blades to 8-way multiprocessor with hot-swap memory (extending the former Compaq Proliant line). Sun makes some x86 boxes too, but AFAIK they max out much lower than HP or IBM's gear, they're not really into doing server class hardware except on SPARC.
(And if some of HP's customers are downloading Solaris to run on HP boxes, it's for darn sure that they're not running it on the PA-RISC or Itanium hardware.)
They paid $6000 for two bits of cardboard?
Someone on Ebay is having a good day.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Sun and HP both sell opteron boxes like IBM does. The only difference is Sun and HP both sell superiour hardware, at a lower cost. The IBM servers (both intel and amd) are flaky as fuck, and often require windows only patches to make stable, which helps not at all when you don't run windows. Fuck, HP even donates hardware to open source projects on occasion, and their ILO kicks serious ass. I will keep buying HP proliants to run free unixes on, you can get ripped off by broken shit from IBM.
This is an old blog entry, I wonder why this news wasn't posted when Jonathan Schwartz first blogged about it. In any case, his latest blog entry is about Sun regaining market share from Dell.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes. - Mahatma Gandhi
We're not even talking about "art" here, which would at least provide a spurious justification for such gross extravagance.
It's bad enough seeing scumbag trustfund kiddies flaunting their inherited wealth by doing nothing but ski or drive their Lamborghinis around all day, but paying $6,000 for a scrap of cardboard, just to play a prank?
The bloody revolution can't happen soon enough.
I can't believe how many slashdot readers appear to have a stick up the rear over this. Personally I find it amusing and not really offensive at all. You can tell HP which lost any sense of fun a few years ago has no real idea how to react other than very uncomfortable press releases.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually I still find it to be very funny almost to the point of wetting my pants!
That way it would be a straw man argument.
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
sun is dying. at least apple, for its relatively small market share (on computers, not iPods), has tremendous influence over the industry. sun is barely a pimple on the IT world's ass anymore. this is I would gather, just another example of how poorly led sun really is. sad when you think about it. one time on top of the world, dot-com mania, etc. just shows you that corporate leadership really does matter. all the brilliance in the world in engineering will not help if the suits are fsck ups.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
Come on, the guy posted a picture in a blog with a Sun shirt in front of them. This harms no one and is simply funny.
I've been out of high school for decades but can find the humor in this. It's not like Sun TP'ed HP.
Are you some kid fresh out of business school or what?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
...is for a bunch of football players to show up and give all concerned Atomic Wedgies.
Balance must be restored to the Force.
just like everything else about Sun it lacks focus and direction
I think that sums it up nicely. What does this little stunt really mean, anyway? It is unfocused and just plain unfathomable. They seem to be doing a lot of smart things (a bit too late in the game perhaps), but there are still big question marks, like what they actually intend to do with Java, and how they intend to operate in a world where Open Source is squeezing them in software, and commodity boxes are squeezing them in hardware. It's not that they can't possibly find a clear path to recovery. They have tremendously talented people all over the organization. But they seem to lurch sideways as often as they step forward.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
You clearly and unambiguously referred to Hewlett and Packard as Sun's founders. The headline was not "confusing", it was WRONG.
And the summary is still WRONG. It says "a life-size cardboard cut of the HP rival's founders," and these people weren't founders of any HP rival (as far as I know), they were the founders of HP, which stands for (surprise) Hewlett-Packard.
Learn to, first, recognise your mistakes, second, admit them.
And here I thought the British were supposed to have a nose for humor. Or perhaps you're Canadian. Eh?
The end is near. Repent Sun employees!
Man what the hell /.? I mean there stupid.. like telling us that the sun came up today.
Then there is this crap.
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they'd buy cardboard cutouts of Cary Fiorana and Robert Palmer - hey actually a whole bunch of them - and put them in front of HP's freaking doors. Extra cardboard men and women for every entrance to HP's Palo Alto labs.
To anyone with any sense of corporate history, i think this trite gesture is very very bad PR. Hitting on two respected - moreover from what i understand, decent - deceased men is the impression i get. Did they try to imply Bill and Dave would prefer to walk through Sun's doors? I think this backfired bigtime. Counting down now until the story switches from "look at that" dumb blogging posts to a more serious take on Sun culture in the business press . . . At least when Scott McNealy said "nyah NYAH!" with thumb to nose, at his competitors, you knew it was part and parcel of McNealy's management style.
Consider >this message from Sun to the artists when they asked to rescue HP's founders:
We were shocked to hear that no one at HP wanted to welcome back the namesakes of their company, known for their personal perseverance and inventive track records in technology. We would like to return the pair to the road, in search of HP's sense of humor and a new home for HP's legacy.
I think they need to pick up a cardboard cutout for Slashdot readers and try to help them find their sense of fun as well. Perhaps mostly curmudeons are up late Sunday nights.
It says a lot about HP when even cardboard cutouts of the founders are Not Welcome.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, it's the same Sun who spent a few years in a public display of schizophrenia about, say, Linux or OSS. They'd give a "we love Linux dearly" or "we love OSS dearly" speech or PR statement, followed the next day (or even in the same day) by, basically, "Linux is teh suck. Noone use it on productive servers!!! kthxbye" or "Proprietary software FTW!!!" Did they think people have that short memory, or what?
Or the same Sun which during the same years had, as the _only_ sale strategy, foaming at the mouth about how MS is evil, MS must die, buy our servers to help kill MS. Forget about explaining to the customer what those servers will do for _them_. Nah. No siree, bob. It's a charity drive to help kill MS, see
Now admittedly, that was Scott McNealy, but it seems that in the meantime that kind of rabid lunacy has become the norm at Sun.
It has been said many times that corporations taken as a whole are like psychopaths. Well, it's refreshing that Sun is different then. Sun is the village idiot running around with pencils up his nose and laughing himself silly after writing "COCK" in chalk on a wall. It's like watching the corporate equivalent of someone getting Alzheimer's and dementia in their old age. It's sad, really.
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They could have done something better with those cutouts: Stuck a copies of "The HP Way" under their arms, painted tears on their cheeks and propped them up on Page Mill Road outside HP's HQ. Well that's what I would have done.
- an ex-HP employee
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Dell are making sales? Last quarter, Sun server sales increased, while Dell, IBM and HP's all dropped.
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Because their founders were selected as famous & influential enough to feature for inclusion as Silicon Valley "pioneers", HP were offered first chance to sponsor this art and buy the life-sized portraits - not really a "cardboard cut-out" - at the end of their journey. $6,000 seems to me not an unreasonable figure considering the normal selling price of portraits & paintings, and the publicity that this project had garnered, but HP declined. Surely $6,000 is a paltry amount to pay for portraits of your founders to place in the foyer of your company headquarters, but hey! that's HP's choice.
Sun were aware of this back-story because one of their engineers worked on integrating a mobile phone tracking system into the portraits, so that members of the art-loving public could view the progress of the "cardboard cut-outs" on a website which used Google Maps' API. So when they heard that HP had declined to sponsor the project, Sun, perhaps a little jealous of the prestige given to their competitor's founders by this art project, decided to get some free publicity by stepping up to the plate, buying the artwork and dressing them up in girls' clothes or whatever.
This is Slashdot-worthy because it involves technology companies acting like spoilt children. Have fun!
Stroller.
Repeated stunts of this type speak of a company in trouble.
The days of high margins in this market have gone. Sun has been commoditised into irrelevancy.
Solaris has little future, and the vast majority of downloads have been curious individuals just having a look. Sun hardware is too expensive, and totally unnecessary. Solaris is not measurabily more reliable than any other UNIX derivative, and I would say less reliable if you run OpenGL / X apps on it. The only benchmarks that Suns can actually win these days have to be chosen pretty selectively.
Sun management has a history of jealous child like behaviour in public. Linux vendors are going to slowly eat up all of Sun's traditional business with cheaper, faster, and better supported solutions. The better availability of Linux trained staff makes running such systems cheaper.
Update: 08/28 04:43 GMT by Z : Fixed confusing headline.
You... you did? O_o
Could someone please fix the fix? I can't understand the first like 3 sentences, they make no sense to standard English speaking peoples.
I wonder if HP/UX has actually been used anwyhere since the early 90's. . . . i actually turned down hosting on boxes that ran HP/UX for things because it was so difficult to work with.
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with an ROI(1-year) or -13% they should probably figure out a better way to save some cash.
Seriously, for those poor SUNW stockholders ... how happy that must make them to see this $6000 expenditure on the books. I mean, this is not exactly a company rolling in profits. Perhaps stunts like this are one of the reasons?
The more you regulate a company, the worse its products become.
Sun just got their name in front of damn near everyone the tech community for $6000. That kind of publicity campaign would cost millions of dollars otherwise.
:-P
So, they did it by making fun of HP. BFD. Everyone makes fun of HP. HP's nothing more than a printer-ink-delivery company any more anyway, after Carly got through with them.
And if you have a problem that requires a few hundred gigs of RAM, that needs to be worked on by a hundred or so CPUs, and can't be partitioned so a cluster isn't a solution, you need one of those big SMP boxes from Sun, IBM, or HP.
And according to some HP engineers I know, almost no one buys the big iron from HP to run as an SMP box - they partition them into a bunch of 4-CPU domains and run Windows on them.
I am sad to announce that due to increased expenditures, like $6000 cardboard cutouts, we will have to lay some of the employees off.
Maybe Sun should go into the cardboard cutout manufacturing business to raise its profits and hire back some of its employees?
Disclaimer: I happen to be an IBM employee
True everyone sells similar stuff nowadays at the commodity level (putting aside HP's itanium, Sun's Ultrasparc, and IBM's power systems, which makes things more complicated), however my experience certainly shows IBM to be capable boxes without need of Windows for everything, with few exceptions. The e325/e326/e326m are out of place and may be subject to your criticism. I don't think of those servers as a sufficiently serious Opteron effort. The x336/x346/ and blades seem pretty good to me, and the IPMI 2.0 based rack mount systems allow SOL in a sane way. The wave of Opteron servers coming are a much more serious effort and work well in general compared to e32*.
My job is exclusively Linux, never ever booting Windows on any of our servers (though admittedly there exists hard drive firmware updates and a few other esoteric updates that are still DOS boot CDs or floppys, however the more common BIOS, BMC, and Diag updates have very good linux support without using DOS at all). In the past they did do goofy things with a powerquest image being written to a linux filesystem with PC-dos and booting into that, and the BMC updates used to require moderately aggravating IBM drivers, but that has been dropped in favor for updates that are self contained (BIOS, diag) or use OpenIPMI drivers (BMC).
All the systems nowadays have similar manageability, ILO is nothing special compared to Dell's, Sun's, and IBM's BMCs nowadays. Everyone sells IPMI compliant management and at least IBM I know implements it well and provides all features I could think of for remote management save for remote video console (but who needs that when you have linux/SOL) without additional cost. RSA cards are there for the people who need remote video console and a fancy web interface. I'd wager everyone's BMC implementation is on par and nowadays manageability is not as much a discriminating factor...
IBM I admit could donate more hardware to some open source efforts, but they do contribute a significant amount of developer work to open source projects, which helps offset the hardware issue some.
Anyway, in summary, IBM may have in the past been subject to that criticism in the x86 space, but in my job experience it has improved greatly.
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I'm under the impression Sun is one of the rare billion dollar Palo Alto companies that did not start in a garage :-) HP, Apple, and Google did. Yahoo started in a trailer (Stanford put up lots of trailers after the 1989 earthquake closed 1/4 of the buildings.) Sun started in a grad student's office. I forget where CISCO's first office was.
I want to make sure I am never one of your customers, lest I hire the services of a company whose CEO spends his time sucking karma dicks on Slashdot.
You got that backwards buddy. Sun is the only Tier 1 to make an 8 way/16 core opteron box, it's called the x4600.
So.. if a sales man makes you feel warm and fuzzy, they get the deal?
I bet you are the guy that the salesman takes you to the golf course and you buy his product without blinking.
The fact that you have Dell says a lot about your company. This isn't a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, their hardware isn't all that bad -- it's the way they treat their lower customers.
Look at it like this:
You are on a date with someone and they treat their waiter like shit. Do you really want to hang out with that person?
Seriously... think about what you are doing man. You are essentially saying "I have money. Make me feel better."
Dells are only really useful if you want cheap hardware. That's about it...
"They had two UNIXes"
If you put HP-UX and Tru64 together you almost get 1 unix. Which is the same as you get if just just have Tru64. HP-UX is easily the most useless, worthless, shitty unix ever made. I would rather get kicked in the nuts than have to use HP-UX for anything.
welcome our new cardboard cutout overlords.
I'm puzzled why Sun chose to make this jocular attack on HP by using figures of the founders. It would have been much more on target if they had pointed out how HP has changed from one of the most innovative and worker-friendly high tech companies in the world to a global marketing-oriented sweatshop whose operations revolve mainly around sticking its logos on stuff made in China. (I exempt the printer division, which still seems to be turning out good product.) The "new HP" has very little connection to the vision of Mr. Hewlett and Mr. Packard--they'd be sad to see what has become of their brainchild. HP is is emblematic of devolution of the American high-tech corporations. Alas.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
The headline before must have been: "Raspberry Goldfish on Tomatoed Bruhhu in Flamingo." That's about the only thing that makes less sense than "HP Baited with Cutouts of Founders."
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In real embedded space, PPC tends to have a bad reputation for being power-hungry and expensive, both relatively speaking. This includes embedded Power, like the 440 derivatives in BlueGene. PPC 4xx is most likely too large for a cell phone application, but ARMs exist even lower than that. (I'm working with an ARM-based embedded system where the main ARM CPU is slower than the smartcard chip that it uses for secure key storage :)
Note that BG contains custom 440 variants, with essentially quadrupled floating-point, which improves performance without _proportionally_ increasing power consumption (remember these are 700MHz CPUs even today). That's why it's performance/kilowatt ratio is much better than other machines in its league.
I hate you Carly Fiorina.
... I still like my HP printer, hell I buy lots of stuff from those sorts of companies... HOWEVER, it's still true. Weep a tear for the HP that used to be because it wasn't charity what HP did, the HP-way WORKED, it's just not something cookie cutter business grads could fucking understand, if they're not pissing off employees, having power trips, and selling out brand loyalty for temporary profit, they don't know what to do.
You youngest ones perhaps cannot understand how foul and sad for the world it is to have seen HP go... an engineers company, which believed in quality and standing by employees, MBAed into a fucking not plastic company
Some will tell you it wasn't just Fiorina, it was destined anyway, but Fiorina put the nails in the coffin.
I can't imagine it's gotten better after she's gone, the job was done so well, (espc mergin with Compaq)... but if there are HP employees to tell different, I wouldn't mind good news. I miss the hold HP.
-pyrrho
$6000 for a piece of cardboard?
No wonder Sun isn't making money if their CEO wastes money like that.
All I know for sure about the processor in my motorola phone is that it's at least 200MHz; I have a V555 now, used to have a V300, and the V300 has a 200MHz processor. Sadly, I can't find specs now :P No idea where I found 'em last time...
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I think he meant to say "rival HP's founders", or "founders of Sun rival Hewlett-Packard".