A PC/Mac/laptop/phone that can read a non-DRMed file that I bought with my own money because it's my copy and I should be able to copy it and back it up to whatever machine I want for my own personal use because the law says I can!
Since I run a small print shop for churches, we go through a ton of ink and toner, to the tune of about $3000 per week. We buy ALL our ink and toner is very large amounts (toner by the kilogram, ink by the half gallon). Refills are cheap. And yet, I don't think that retailers deciding together to not stock competitive products is "bad" collusion -- it's just how their market needs to work to be profitable.
First, your experience tells us nothing why you believe this. Great, you buy $3000 of ink a week, but from this it doesn't seem like you've though that maybe the ink could be cheaper, or if there's a better way. By the way, innovation is the best way for companies to compete, not collusion. Secondly, collusion is bad for the consumer, and it's illegal. Gas is about $3 a gallon where I am. What if ExxonMobil and Ford conspired so that you could only use Ford gas in your Ford car? Now what if every other car maker did the same thing because it increased their profits? Who loses out? The little guy. People pay $3000 a week for ink, the retailers each get $100 million, and then HP rakes in billions on ink alone. Shouldn't I be able to chose my gas or my ink?
Anyone can go online and buy cheap refilled cartridges that tend to work. If they're buying locally, it might be that they don't trust the Internet (stupid reason), or that they waited too long to stock up on ink (probably true). I yell at my folks constantly for paying $40 for one cartridge when I can get them a replacement for $3, but usually its due to the dreaded "Out of ink" message. Convenience can often times mean MONEY.
There's convenience and then there is gouging. I may need ink NOW, but asking someone to pay $30 face to face when I can buy one for $3 online is gouging. Also, there's marketing, and refilled cartridges are designed to be hard to refill and not give as good quality. HP makes sure of that. Their marketing works to make it sound like refilled cartridges are a bad investment and encourage only using theirs, and if your printer breaks while using a refilled cartridge, they'll blame the cartridge without even bothering to troubleshoot.
The manufacturers screwed up, big time. They didn't listen to the market, and they decided to give away the printer and hope to make it up on the ink. That's not how most markets work, not even the razor market now. Every item has to have a profit, or someone will find a way to sell your high markup goods cheaper. Many more people now are learning that the $49 inkjet has $49 cartridges OEM, or $12 cartridges aftermarket. The days of the $49 loss-leader are over (although I think you can probably make a profitable inkjet that sells at $35, with reduced features and a generic print driver).
Are you nuts??? That's exactly how the razor market works. Sell the razor cheap, sell the blades expensive. Sell the printer cheap, sell the ink expensive. Duh! HP knows exactly what they are doing, they only screwed up by getting caught being greedy and trying to prevent competitors, which is illegal. Yes many people are learning that aftermarket cartridges are cheaper, which is why HP is trying illegal tactics in order to kill the competition. How the hell did you get modded up?
I honestly don't think collusion is a big deal. I know it supposedly hurts consumers, but in the long run, competition DOES begin due to what seems like obvious price fixing. I recall the early days of computer RAM when you honestly had few resources for brands. Now we have dozens. When a few companies collude on RAM pricing, the competition generally fixes it. It may take a few years, but it happens, and the worst thing to happen to those colluding is that they lose market share or go out of business when consumers discover that they've gouged people.
You are either very inexperience in anti-trust history or a corporate schill. Antitrust boils down to two things, how to lower or eliminate barriers to entering a market that are placed there by co
Technically it is 3.0. 400 is 1.0 and 800 is 2.0, if you were to renumber retrospectively.
Geeks get the 400 vs 800 reference, but I think nongeeks get it completely. Sure 400 is not as good as 800, but what does that mean compared to USB?
USB is 1.0 and 2.0. Firewire should be 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. Why? Because the general masses see version digits as newer = better. USB is only on 2.0? But Firewire is on 3.0? Gee, that must mean Firewire is more advanced!
Geeks know better, but you don't tell only to the geeks, do you? Besides, versioning for the geeks just makes it easier to support.
When I'm on a coaster or a slingshot style ride, I'm expecting things to happen.
The (few) times I've been in an accident, it came up on me very quickly and shocked the hell out of me.
I also consider a ride a positive thing where an accident is a negative thing.
The problem is that it will be very hard to come up with an ethical experiment that surprises and shocks the hell out of your subjects to the degree of a car crash without royally pissing them off.
I love how an AC has posted this obviously inflamatory drivel, and continue to marvel that the mods mod crap like this up.
1) The US and European union have both declared MS to be a monopoly. 2) A monopoly in legal terms is not someone who owns 100% of the market, but owns an overwhelming portion of the market. Windows is at what, 90%? 95%? 3) Worse still, MS has been shown, time and time again, that they use that monopoly influence to bully PC vendors. MS hasn't been able to use that influence as much because people in government are watching them, and because the PC vendors are finally getting some balls.
There's an interesting section on mitigating risk, but it doesn't specifically mention the worst case (and quite possible scenario) that the fission rocket blows up somewhere in the atmosphere. What's the radiation damage then? I'm not a nuclear or rocket scientist but I don't see that discussed.
I'm not disputing the accuracy one way or another, but c'mon. Not only does the article clearly reference McAfee as the author of the report, a corporation with a vested interest in scaring governments into buying more software, so does the summary! The moment a corporation starts posting fearmongering, I'm immediately skeptical. The immediate aim I see is to get the government to be scared and buy more software from McAfee. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Government and corporations have been in bed for years, but my god it's gotten so bad that it's practically a daily public porn show where they don't care what you see any more.
I know you don't exactly drink Tang every day, but exactly what percentage of the United State's population do you think is affected by weather satellites?
This is completely off topic, but I love how the icon for a user interface story here is the original apple mouse. You know... a mouse with one button? I hope all you one-button bashers get really bent over that, too! That is just too ironic:)
These points, and many other historical arguements, are irrelevant. The only issue here is that the United States currently has control, and is being presented with no good (or even clear) reason why it should give that control up
The discussion started, as most discussions do, quite sanely and quietly with a good reason. The main reason why it should give up control is because it has control, and the world doesn't trust someone as crazy as the US with that power. Countries depend on the internet more and more, and it is truly international. That said, something international like that should not be under the control of one country. As a people, we elected a nut like George W. Bush, we invaded two countries on a whim, our CIA is taking people from other countries, hiding them in little rooms all over the world and torturing them, all in the name of "fighting terrorism," and the rest of the world simply does not trust us. Whether or not you agree with the obvious slant of my statements, that's how the rest of the world looks at the US. I'm an American and easily see that.
Now while giving up control is, in terms of the world, the right thing to do, do you honestly think that the US is giving up control any time soon? We have the power, why give it up? Of course the discussion degenerated, because you could present all the logical arguments you can come up with, the US simply will not give up power like that. Who knows when they'll need another bargaining chip, or need to shut down a TLD before invading another country, or whatever else the government comes up with.
That's why this degenerates into a flame war, because there's no where for the discussion to go. The US has all the toys, and when they were asked to share, they put their fingers in their ears and stomped away. Now the rest of the world is stomping right behind them demanding "it's not faaaaaaiiirrrrr!!!!" Welcome to international politics.
When things like this happen, it would be awesome if you could make light of it. What you really do is bring the journalists in, have a public news conference, and turn it into a small roast.
"I couldn't tell if I was getting an email from Dutch journalists or bankers from Nigeria."
"Mossad was flipping out... they thought this was a death threat from Borat."
"At least they spell better than Bush."
Then you give the journalists a nice gift basket or something, to show it's all in good fun, get some good publicity pictures in shaking hands with them, take them on a tour or something, and then bring them into your office and say "okay lets try that again, this time with a real translator."
This is why I like the Zero Punctuation reviews so much. Yahtzee has a decent command of the language, goes through all of the good and bad parts of the games, and gives a quick conclusion stating his opinion of the thing.
I thought we all liked Yahtzee because he's fucking hilarious.:)
Slight OT, but I was watching Heroes last night, and one character handed another an iPod with supposedly "hours of videos." The character receiving the iPod apparently had the ability to learn how to do anything just by watching someone do it or by watching TV or video.
Considering how anti-Apple NBC is right now, I'm shocked that that little bit of product placement didn't get nixxed. Obviously the Heroes people don't care, but is NBC pulling any iPod ads or product placements?
Obviously laptops and similar technology are the most desirable things to snatch in the workplace, but this is by far a new story, and old fashion thieves still steal old fashioned things.
We had a thief walk in one day and snatch a purse right off a desk 3 feet from me. I wasn't at my desk at the time. The thief walked right out the front door and even nodded to the receptionist, who noticed him as unusual and didn't recognize him but didn't see the purse. She did remember it was a man and that's about it.
She quickly cancelled her cards and got a replacement cell phone and the thief fortunately only got away with a few bucks in cash. Since then I never leave my desk without my cell phone or my wallet (which I used to leave in my coat in the winter).
We all want to be trusting of everyone around us, because it makes us feel good, and we don't know absolutely everyone, even in a business of 300 people. We implemented security since this and other incidents around the building. The company's been around since the 1960s and it's the first time we felt we needed security.
Zonk you fucking moron. You already posted this earlier this month right here. Different website, but same guy and same company, of course. Same message, same bullshit!
You have officially crossed into the JonKatz zone. Not only do you post duplicates, but you post slanted slashvertisment duplicates! Your articles are worthless.
It's too bad all I can do is ignore you, but it's about time I finally did. I recommend everyone else do the same, so we can finally hit home that bullshit editors will not be tolerated.
If root beer is not (widely) available in Japan, it is because the Japanese don't like root beer -- not because they can't afford it, or don't know where to get it.
What if root beer was difficult to transport far from the farm and only grew well in the US. Or Japan had a steep tariff on root beer. Or laws or companies conspired to prohibit you from making said device even if there were demand? What if the root beer made in Japan was a drastically inferior quality and no one would drink it?
There's a good demand for the devices on this list... as evidenced that there are tons of equivalents in the US that do the same thing. 18 of 20 of the items on the list looked and behaved like things I've seen on this side of the pacific, so I don't know why from the meager article it makes the claim that these things are so special.
One device in particular that stood out to me, however, was the vinyl to MP3 recorder. As the article said, the one you get in Japan allows you to save to any media you like. On the US side options on current vinyl recorders are limited probably due to RIAA interference to "encourage" people to buy a new copy of songs rather than re-copy the legal copies they already bought.
Just because someone won't sell a widget doesn't mean they won't buy a widget.
IE killed off netscape by forcing OEMs to bundle IE. They used their monopoly to strong arm OEMs and charged higher fees to OEMs who didn't do EXACTLY what they wanted them to. Those who bundled AOL and netscape were punished. That's illegal in anti-trust law, and Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. That's where the bundling thing came from.
Bundling isn't right now hurting opera or Firefox, it's hurting the OEMs. The OEMs can't complete by providing, say Firefox and advertising that their bundle is more secure than their competitors. Dell could chose firefox and HP could chose opera or whatever. They can't because MS is still stronarming them.
And you are either highly misinformed or completely deluded if you think MS isn't a monopoly. 90% of the desktop OS market IS a monopoly under every developed nation's laws, and to anyone with any common sense, period.
YMMV, but from what I've read, the whining wasn't that there was a long wait for the SDK, but that there was a long wait for an announcement that there would even be an SDK. Most products I've seen planned and announced to have an SDK before the initial product release, and then put out the SDK after. But then again, that's just what I've seen.
...but there's this great section in Wikipedia on this:
"On July 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was finalized (although it had been fully negotiated, and a penultimate draft was finished), the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[65][66] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[67] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification."
I was all excited to have a great place to learn more about my reps as well as those around me and zipped right over to congresspedia.org.
Then I read thru the entire "new additions" section and it read like a laundry list of scandals, corruption, and Iraq-related bickering. Oh yeah, and Bush vetoed the SCHIP bill to.
I'm so depressed about my sucky country now that I can't do any research. Thanks Congresspedia.org.
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A PC/Mac/laptop/phone that can read a non-DRMed file that I bought with my own money because it's my copy and I should be able to copy it and back it up to whatever machine I want for my own personal use because the law says I can!
Since I run a small print shop for churches, we go through a ton of ink and toner, to the tune of about $3000 per week. We buy ALL our ink and toner is very large amounts (toner by the kilogram, ink by the half gallon). Refills are cheap. And yet, I don't think that retailers deciding together to not stock competitive products is "bad" collusion -- it's just how their market needs to work to be profitable.
First, your experience tells us nothing why you believe this. Great, you buy $3000 of ink a week, but from this it doesn't seem like you've though that maybe the ink could be cheaper, or if there's a better way. By the way, innovation is the best way for companies to compete, not collusion. Secondly, collusion is bad for the consumer, and it's illegal. Gas is about $3 a gallon where I am. What if ExxonMobil and Ford conspired so that you could only use Ford gas in your Ford car? Now what if every other car maker did the same thing because it increased their profits? Who loses out? The little guy. People pay $3000 a week for ink, the retailers each get $100 million, and then HP rakes in billions on ink alone. Shouldn't I be able to chose my gas or my ink?
Anyone can go online and buy cheap refilled cartridges that tend to work. If they're buying locally, it might be that they don't trust the Internet (stupid reason), or that they waited too long to stock up on ink (probably true). I yell at my folks constantly for paying $40 for one cartridge when I can get them a replacement for $3, but usually its due to the dreaded "Out of ink" message. Convenience can often times mean MONEY.
There's convenience and then there is gouging. I may need ink NOW, but asking someone to pay $30 face to face when I can buy one for $3 online is gouging. Also, there's marketing, and refilled cartridges are designed to be hard to refill and not give as good quality. HP makes sure of that. Their marketing works to make it sound like refilled cartridges are a bad investment and encourage only using theirs, and if your printer breaks while using a refilled cartridge, they'll blame the cartridge without even bothering to troubleshoot.
The manufacturers screwed up, big time. They didn't listen to the market, and they decided to give away the printer and hope to make it up on the ink. That's not how most markets work, not even the razor market now. Every item has to have a profit, or someone will find a way to sell your high markup goods cheaper. Many more people now are learning that the $49 inkjet has $49 cartridges OEM, or $12 cartridges aftermarket. The days of the $49 loss-leader are over (although I think you can probably make a profitable inkjet that sells at $35, with reduced features and a generic print driver).
Are you nuts??? That's exactly how the razor market works. Sell the razor cheap, sell the blades expensive. Sell the printer cheap, sell the ink expensive. Duh! HP knows exactly what they are doing, they only screwed up by getting caught being greedy and trying to prevent competitors, which is illegal. Yes many people are learning that aftermarket cartridges are cheaper, which is why HP is trying illegal tactics in order to kill the competition. How the hell did you get modded up?
I honestly don't think collusion is a big deal. I know it supposedly hurts consumers, but in the long run, competition DOES begin due to what seems like obvious price fixing. I recall the early days of computer RAM when you honestly had few resources for brands. Now we have dozens. When a few companies collude on RAM pricing, the competition generally fixes it. It may take a few years, but it happens, and the worst thing to happen to those colluding is that they lose market share or go out of business when consumers discover that they've gouged people.
You are either very inexperience in anti-trust history or a corporate schill. Antitrust boils down to two things, how to lower or eliminate barriers to entering a market that are placed there by co
I think Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn came up with the best idea for a LotR sequel EVAR! Maybe this is what they mean? :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EqMV_3JusXY
Technically it is 3.0. 400 is 1.0 and 800 is 2.0, if you were to renumber retrospectively.
Geeks get the 400 vs 800 reference, but I think nongeeks get it completely. Sure 400 is not as good as 800, but what does that mean compared to USB?
USB is 1.0 and 2.0. Firewire should be 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. Why? Because the general masses see version digits as newer = better. USB is only on 2.0? But Firewire is on 3.0? Gee, that must mean Firewire is more advanced!
Geeks know better, but you don't tell only to the geeks, do you? Besides, versioning for the geeks just makes it easier to support.
When I'm on a coaster or a slingshot style ride, I'm expecting things to happen.
The (few) times I've been in an accident, it came up on me very quickly and shocked the hell out of me.
I also consider a ride a positive thing where an accident is a negative thing.
The problem is that it will be very hard to come up with an ethical experiment that surprises and shocks the hell out of your subjects to the degree of a car crash without royally pissing them off.
I love how an AC has posted this obviously inflamatory drivel, and continue to marvel that the mods mod crap like this up.
1) The US and European union have both declared MS to be a monopoly.
2) A monopoly in legal terms is not someone who owns 100% of the market, but owns an overwhelming portion of the market. Windows is at what, 90%? 95%?
3) Worse still, MS has been shown, time and time again, that they use that monopoly influence to bully PC vendors. MS hasn't been able to use that influence as much because people in government are watching them, and because the PC vendors are finally getting some balls.
There's an interesting section on mitigating risk, but it doesn't specifically mention the worst case (and quite possible scenario) that the fission rocket blows up somewhere in the atmosphere. What's the radiation damage then? I'm not a nuclear or rocket scientist but I don't see that discussed.
Make a bypass! Problem solved!
What? There's a house in the way? You say it's owned by Arthur Dent?
I'll get the byzantine paper trail started, go tell Prosser to fire up the bulldozer.
I'm not disputing the accuracy one way or another, but c'mon. Not only does the article clearly reference McAfee as the author of the report, a corporation with a vested interest in scaring governments into buying more software, so does the summary! The moment a corporation starts posting fearmongering, I'm immediately skeptical. The immediate aim I see is to get the government to be scared and buy more software from McAfee. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Government and corporations have been in bed for years, but my god it's gotten so bad that it's practically a daily public porn show where they don't care what you see any more.
Oh definitely not affecting our every day lives.
I know you don't exactly drink Tang every day, but exactly what percentage of the United State's population do you think is affected by weather satellites?
This is completely off topic, but I love how the icon for a user interface story here is the original apple mouse. You know... a mouse with one button? I hope all you one-button bashers get really bent over that, too! That is just too ironic :)
These points, and many other historical arguements, are irrelevant. The only issue here is that the United States currently has control, and is being presented with no good (or even clear) reason why it should give that control up
The discussion started, as most discussions do, quite sanely and quietly with a good reason. The main reason why it should give up control is because it has control, and the world doesn't trust someone as crazy as the US with that power. Countries depend on the internet more and more, and it is truly international. That said, something international like that should not be under the control of one country. As a people, we elected a nut like George W. Bush, we invaded two countries on a whim, our CIA is taking people from other countries, hiding them in little rooms all over the world and torturing them, all in the name of "fighting terrorism," and the rest of the world simply does not trust us. Whether or not you agree with the obvious slant of my statements, that's how the rest of the world looks at the US. I'm an American and easily see that.
Now while giving up control is, in terms of the world, the right thing to do, do you honestly think that the US is giving up control any time soon? We have the power, why give it up? Of course the discussion degenerated, because you could present all the logical arguments you can come up with, the US simply will not give up power like that. Who knows when they'll need another bargaining chip, or need to shut down a TLD before invading another country, or whatever else the government comes up with.
That's why this degenerates into a flame war, because there's no where for the discussion to go. The US has all the toys, and when they were asked to share, they put their fingers in their ears and stomped away. Now the rest of the world is stomping right behind them demanding "it's not faaaaaaiiirrrrr!!!!" Welcome to international politics.
On a completely unrelated note, my doctor recently told me that I can no longer have children.
Why, did your doctor say you burnt your genitals off when the battery caught fire?
When things like this happen, it would be awesome if you could make light of it. What you really do is bring the journalists in, have a public news conference, and turn it into a small roast.
"I couldn't tell if I was getting an email from Dutch journalists or bankers from Nigeria."
"Mossad was flipping out... they thought this was a death threat from Borat."
"At least they spell better than Bush."
Then you give the journalists a nice gift basket or something, to show it's all in good fun, get some good publicity pictures in shaking hands with them, take them on a tour or something, and then bring them into your office and say "okay lets try that again, this time with a real translator."
This is why I like the Zero Punctuation reviews so much. Yahtzee has a decent command of the language, goes through all of the good and bad parts of the games, and gives a quick conclusion stating his opinion of the thing.
:)
I thought we all liked Yahtzee because he's fucking hilarious.
Slight OT, but I was watching Heroes last night, and one character handed another an iPod with supposedly "hours of videos." The character receiving the iPod apparently had the ability to learn how to do anything just by watching someone do it or by watching TV or video.
Considering how anti-Apple NBC is right now, I'm shocked that that little bit of product placement didn't get nixxed. Obviously the Heroes people don't care, but is NBC pulling any iPod ads or product placements?
Obviously laptops and similar technology are the most desirable things to snatch in the workplace, but this is by far a new story, and old fashion thieves still steal old fashioned things.
We had a thief walk in one day and snatch a purse right off a desk 3 feet from me. I wasn't at my desk at the time. The thief walked right out the front door and even nodded to the receptionist, who noticed him as unusual and didn't recognize him but didn't see the purse. She did remember it was a man and that's about it.
She quickly cancelled her cards and got a replacement cell phone and the thief fortunately only got away with a few bucks in cash. Since then I never leave my desk without my cell phone or my wallet (which I used to leave in my coat in the winter).
We all want to be trusting of everyone around us, because it makes us feel good, and we don't know absolutely everyone, even in a business of 300 people. We implemented security since this and other incidents around the building. The company's been around since the 1960s and it's the first time we felt we needed security.
Zonk you fucking moron. You already posted this earlier this month right here. Different website, but same guy and same company, of course. Same message, same bullshit!
You have officially crossed into the JonKatz zone. Not only do you post duplicates, but you post slanted slashvertisment duplicates! Your articles are worthless.
It's too bad all I can do is ignore you, but it's about time I finally did. I recommend everyone else do the same, so we can finally hit home that bullshit editors will not be tolerated.
If root beer is not (widely) available in Japan, it is because the Japanese don't like root beer -- not because they can't afford it, or don't know where to get it.
What if root beer was difficult to transport far from the farm and only grew well in the US. Or Japan had a steep tariff on root beer. Or laws or companies conspired to prohibit you from making said device even if there were demand? What if the root beer made in Japan was a drastically inferior quality and no one would drink it?
There's a good demand for the devices on this list... as evidenced that there are tons of equivalents in the US that do the same thing. 18 of 20 of the items on the list looked and behaved like things I've seen on this side of the pacific, so I don't know why from the meager article it makes the claim that these things are so special.
One device in particular that stood out to me, however, was the vinyl to MP3 recorder. As the article said, the one you get in Japan allows you to save to any media you like. On the US side options on current vinyl recorders are limited probably due to RIAA interference to "encourage" people to buy a new copy of songs rather than re-copy the legal copies they already bought.
Just because someone won't sell a widget doesn't mean they won't buy a widget.
IE killed off netscape by forcing OEMs to bundle IE. They used their monopoly to strong arm OEMs and charged higher fees to OEMs who didn't do EXACTLY what they wanted them to. Those who bundled AOL and netscape were punished. That's illegal in anti-trust law, and Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. That's where the bundling thing came from.
Bundling isn't right now hurting opera or Firefox, it's hurting the OEMs. The OEMs can't complete by providing, say Firefox and advertising that their bundle is more secure than their competitors. Dell could chose firefox and HP could chose opera or whatever. They can't because MS is still stronarming them.
And you are either highly misinformed or completely deluded if you think MS isn't a monopoly. 90% of the desktop OS market IS a monopoly under every developed nation's laws, and to anyone with any common sense, period.
YMMV, but from what I've read, the whining wasn't that there was a long wait for the SDK, but that there was a long wait for an announcement that there would even be an SDK. Most products I've seen planned and announced to have an SDK before the initial product release, and then put out the SDK after. But then again, that's just what I've seen.
1) 11 hours straight of Everquest - no pain from mouse or keyboard
But puts a tremendous hurt on your love life.
...but there's this great section in Wikipedia on this:
"On July 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was finalized (although it had been fully negotiated, and a penultimate draft was finished), the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[65][66] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[67] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
Maybe you should get facts straight before accusing him of anything. Looks like Gore was the only one in all of government who supported it.
I was all excited to have a great place to learn more about my reps as well as those around me and zipped right over to congresspedia.org.
Then I read thru the entire "new additions" section and it read like a laundry list of scandals, corruption, and Iraq-related bickering. Oh yeah, and Bush vetoed the SCHIP bill to.
I'm so depressed about my sucky country now that I can't do any research. Thanks Congresspedia.org.
I know it's too much to ask but can this be decided on merit and not on partisanship?
You must be new to this country...