AFAIK, Lindows is based on wine. Wal-Mart customers will tend to buy a lot of games for their computer. Sounds to me like manufactures will soon find it a requirement to test their games with Lindows, and thus they will be wine compatable too.
Not as good as native linux games, but a close second. If nothing else this could drive some real compitition to microsoft!
If only it works... I'm not holding my breath yet.
I've always wanted to teach a class just so I could give this assignement: Write a RPN calculator that does addition and subtraction, no more. A few rules that are different from every other project: other class mates will see your code; redit will be lost for implimenting functionality byond addition and subtraction; the due date is next week, but you get MANY extra points by getting the assignment to me sooner; class dissmissed, get to work.
Then the next week I would copy everyone's program, and randomly hand it out to other students, with a new assignment: add multiplication and division to this program, and fix any bugs in the code. Time counts again. Note that even though I say is the random, I will in truth pick out who gets what, those who did a good fast job get aweful programs to work with, while those who did a bad job get good ones, and there will be a comment as each studnet picks up his assignment that this is an example to learn from. After they turn in the completed assignment (remember time counts) they will get another assignment, write a short paper to the author of the program you graded on what you found good/bad. (english skills don't count so long as it is understandable, ideas do)
Finially, everyone see's how their program looked after the second guy got done with it, and the comments. Grades for the second half will take into account how the first half turned out, so someone who got a horrid, non-working assignment and took all week to make some stupid algorithm work will get as much points as someone who was able to get their assignment done in an hour. How long it took the second programer to modify the orginal code is a factor, but minor since bad programs should not take down easy to modify code.
Just make sure that this is done early in the year, if they are supposed to learn C++ in your class, this won't work, by the time they can do this all their other classes are in crunch time and a good student may notbe able to get this done quickly. I recomend giving this assignment the first day of class, if they can't hack it then, they need more expirence than your class can give.
See my other reply to this topic. It is management's job to make sure I'm paid exactly what I'm worth to the company, no more or less. Inflation, expirence, and education, and the job market all are factors that, and reasons to give someone a raise. If they are not looking at market value, then they are not doing their job!
Sure I need to look at my market value from time to time, but I don't get paid to do that, so I have to look on my own time. The boss gets paid to know what I'm worth, if he doesn't know my market value, then he failed to do his job.
If you accept this counter offer you are sending a message: he can be underpaid for a long time before we have to bring him up to norms.
So for those of us who have not found a better job - YET - please refuse the coutner offer. Make management become pro-active in keeping those who are worth keeping. I personally hate looking for a new job, but I see some writing on the wall, and I think I'm worth more. If everyone refused counter offers, management would be forced to do their job of getting to know me and figguring out what I'm worth to the company now instead of what I'm worth elsewhere.
Simply put, I've been here for a few years. I know obscure details of the system that most of the other programers don't know. If I leave they lose the knowledge I can pull out of my head as needed. Depending on the situation that means either reading documentation (typically out of date), code (at least it is accurate, but you miss the subtil points), or finding bugs in testing instead of design. Appearently the company doesn't agree that my expirence is worth much though, or they would pay me for it.
If a company really wanted you to stay, and thought you were worth 50% more than they are paying you, why didn't they pay you 50% more to begin with and prevent you from looking. They were mistreating you, if they were willing to pay you 50% more, and didn't until you quit. They will only do it again.
If the new offer was 1% more, and they then went 2% more, I could accept that, you might gain that much more value between reviews, (but at review time your raise should be less...). Frankly they don't think you are worth 50% more, they just want a few months to train your replacement.
Dogs are loyal. People work for money and job satisfaction. If they are willing to pay your more than they are, then they didn't try their best to satisfy you, and you should assume they will not.
A man of his word will not back out of an agreement once made for money. It looks like you consider money more than your word, and that is bad. Once you quit, you are out. They can hire you again in a month if you don't like to new place, but you owe the new place your honest word.
While I agree it goes to a multiplexer in many cases. (I was trying to weasel out of central office, but couldn't find a good way to do it), that isn't really relavent. The largest cost of wiring is labor. Most people prefer underground utilities, and labor to put it into the ground is very high. Just from your house to the little green box (not the multiplexer) is ~100, and cable companies will generaly do that for free (phone companies often charge for it).
my Sun3-60s only have access to 10Base, so that is what I use. I'm planing on a wireless network, but again as you say, not fast. My 386-25 still does useful work, the Suns are more for bragging rights.
I've thought about 100Base, but I only have one machine (the server) that could use the bandwidth, so it hardly seems worth the upgrade.
this spring there was major construction along my normal route to work, and the delays that go with it. I looked for alternate routes, and tried several. After stop lights the alternate routes at best were equal to the main road in time. I got better gas milage because I was driving slower, but they routes were also enough longer that I used more gas anyway.
When they start making alternate routes that work, then perhaps this will be helpful. However people are not like packets, you route my/. request through London, and I will not notice the delay despite crossing the pond twice. Route me across town in my car and my 1/2 hour commute (without construction) turns into 3 hours.
My company once did this for a 25Mhz dec machine. We discovered that you now need a new protocol to the adaptor card, and the overhead of that protocol is equal to a well tuned tcp/ip stack. So if they can actually make this work, what it really means is that linux hackers should spend some time to tune the stack.
Note though that tuning the stack may come at the expense of maintainability, or flexability.
While there are many cost advantages, the one airplace for all services is not a good idea. If Boeing wins some, and Lockheed wins some, then each time some branch wants a new plane they can get bids. If only one plane is used, it is cheaper, but next time Boeing says "Guess what, we didn't make any money last time, so we had to get rid of our military designers, at which point Lockheed has a monopoly. If each branch was different, then both would win a few contracts, so both would keep designing planes.
I'm also not sure that one size fits all is a good idea anyway. The air force doesn't care about carrier landings, or even the ability to make them. They would much prefer a plane that they can afford the fuel to send anywhere in the world from one of two desert air strips. (if you fly commercially you will notice the ex-navy pilots hit the breaks as soon as they land, and throw you against the belts, the air force pilots barely hit the last turn off. I prefer air force from a comfort standpoint, and it really doesn't matter most of the time)
Like everything else, it is more complex then the above. As a tax payer, anything to get costs down without cutting defense too much is a good thing. (the definition of too much is one penny over whatever it takes to maintain my way of life, which doens't even begin to show how complex that is)
As one young math professior I had in college said I hope you sometime get the fun of working in at least 11 dimintions. He was a young guy (first you teaching), and was truely serious about that. Now I can deal with 2d graphics just fine, and 3d graphs are normally not a problem, though optical illusions sometimes are possible so I don't rely on them, but the one 4d graph I saw just threw my mind in a loop, and I decided not to bother with them again.
Maybe I'm not a visual person, but I can't deal with 4d graphs. I can deal with math in 11 dimentions if I have to, though I'm not good. The ability to work on 2d and 3d problems without a graph helps when you deal with problems that cannot be easially graphed.
Then again, all my college classes allowed calculators, but the time to enter numbers was longer than the time to calculate things in my head so I rarely used my HP-48 after my freshman year.
Read the book, it goes into several pages of detail, which I'm too lazy to type up. (not to mention I don't have the book with me, and it would be illegal to do so)
Are you sure you don't own the street? Typical practice in the US is that you own the rights to the property to the middle of the road, but you must allow anyone who wants to, the right to pass on the road without charge, and any utility to use the side of the road for cables/pipes.
I know I own half the road in front of my house, I suspect you do too.
Note, that by own I of course mean the right to rent the property from the local goverment who can demand whatever rent they want for it. In turn I vote to make sure the rent they want is reasonable, and keeps the road in front of my house in good shape.
Jessica Litman wrote an excellent book Digital Copyright, which I recomend everyone read.
In the book she references a discussion of copyright lawyers, many of whom hold the opinion that it is not legally possibla to place works in the public domain.
Your probably right, which is even sadder when you recall that the largest cost of providing service to you is the wire to your house, and the doesn't change between someone who cancled their subscription, and someone who has the cable filled to the max physics allows.
Thats right, if you buy service for a month and cancle it, the cable company loses money on you. The phone company has it worse, the cable company only has about 100 feet of cable that isn't shared to pay for (they generaly buy high quality cable, not home depot special), while the phone company has 4+ wires from your house all the way to a central office. (although the cable is cheaper, there is more of it)
The cost of cable is large enough that wireless will be cheapest for those who don't mind the limited bandwidth avaiable. (and interestingly some wireless providers give you a shared 10Mbs, while cable is often shared 1/Mbs, and DSL an unshared.5Mbs. I'm not sure how much DSL can increase, but cable should be able to go much faster.
Public radio has to appease the masses, just that the masses they appease are smaller in number. Doesn't make them any more intelligent, in fact less so based on the number of people who think NPR news is unbiases vs the number of people who think other sources are unbiases. (most people know comercial news is biased, and they accept or even prefer that bias)
It is not possibal to have unbiased news coverage. All you can do is seek out all the different views (good news srouces seek to present several, but they cannot present all because of the shear number of slightly different views). Pick your source, try to find some from a different country, and then pick your position. Unfortunatly this is hard, and nobody has the time to do this for every story, so we just do the best we can with the few viewpoints we get, often forgetting that it has influenced our thinking.
Your only kidding yourself. I've been framed, and misunderstood enough times that I no longer trust anyone with athority. And those incidences were before I reached 4th grade.
I was not fighting in first grade. I got wrote up for it anyway because someone in power decided that what I was doing just could have been fighting at a first glance, and so I was wrote up. I've not forgotten that incident. I have been innocent and just punished for it.
There are others, but that one stands out in my mind, and is proff byond the shadow of a doupt that goverment is out to get you.
It is summer, between the boat, mowing the lawn, projects, and just playing with the dog, I won't be in very much except for work.
However I do plan on using some books as reference materials for various scientific expiriments. (get the full paper catalog, a lot of the good stuff isn't shown online). Someone in my neighborhood should make his own transisters for instance.
Although every one in a while there is a lazy rainy night when I wish I has some books to read, I do most of my reading in winter.
True, the land belongs to the goverment, and you still have to pay rent on it. Don't belive me, then don't pay your property taxes and see how long you have that paper and key.
Not an issue, a good locksmith (who knows safes, which isn't all good locksmiths) can get into any safe in less than a day, but the effort will leave physical evidence.
True, but science is generally required in middle school, while chemistry is optional in latter years. I don't know about your school, but my middle school general science did cover 2H+O = H20 (they didn't go into that it is actually 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O)
Middle school science was actually enough for someone who has no intention of scientific, engineering or medical work in latter years. A musician has no need to know more science, though there is nothing wrong with wanting to know more, likewise for carpenters, mechanics, fast food worker, and many other stuch jobs.
Would it be prudent for the FAA to use software that thousands of
unknown programmers have intimate knowledge of for something this critical
How many people have intimate knowlege of the internal code is irrelavent. What is relavent is how many experts have examined the code to be sure that it is correct. Before code is used for something like flight controll I would expect experts to examine it closely to be sure it worked right. (actually not, game programers with an AI can probably do a better job just rewarding their system for smooth flights even in turbluant weather, but that is a different debate)
100 experts paid by the goverment to assure the code is correct is not as good as 100 paid experts, plus 1000 amatures doing the same. And the existance of a few amatures sabotaging their work makes it better because it forces the experts to think things through. (when everything is expected to work you can be lazy with the rubber stamp, when some parts are suspected to be sabotaged you have to look closely)
There is a theory of testing which says you put some number of known bugs in the code without telling the testers. Don't stop testing until they find all the known bugs because that gives you the best chance of stumbling across the unknown bugs. (the countery argument is fixing known bugs cna introduce more so it isn't a clear win, but it is still a point to consider)
Actually the US automakers are looking at Hybreds for SUVs. However they are not looking at a hybrid like you would think of it. They just want to put a small electric moter on each front wheel, and save the weight of 4 wheel drive, which is heavy. They should at least get a 4x4 with about the same milage as a 2 wheel drive equivelent if they do it right.
Sounds good on paper, I don't know why I haven't seen them yet.
OTOH, SUVs are generally better canidates for hybrid or all electric cars. They tend to have a large frame underneith (instead of unibody) with plenty of open space for batteries.
Concept cars are worthless, I want a car I can buy. VW won't sell me that car for any amount of money, much less an amount I can afford.
If this car costs $250,000, then I don't want it. It costs me about $4000 a year to keep my current truck (If I keep it for 5 years and drive as much as I do now, which seems reasonable). Even assuming I get 15 years from the car (reasonable, I live in the rust belt so the body will go long before that engine dies) I still can't afford it despite the low gas costs. Sell the same car for $10000, and I'll buy one, gas savings will pay for it in just a few years. I ran the numbers on a 50 mpg car, and they don't work out, but 200 mpg does.
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AFAIK, Lindows is based on wine. Wal-Mart customers will tend to buy a lot of games for their computer. Sounds to me like manufactures will soon find it a requirement to test their games with Lindows, and thus they will be wine compatable too.
Not as good as native linux games, but a close second. If nothing else this could drive some real compitition to microsoft!
If only it works... I'm not holding my breath yet.
I've always wanted to teach a class just so I could give this assignement: Write a RPN calculator that does addition and subtraction, no more. A few rules that are different from every other project: other class mates will see your code; redit will be lost for implimenting functionality byond addition and subtraction; the due date is next week, but you get MANY extra points by getting the assignment to me sooner; class dissmissed, get to work.
Then the next week I would copy everyone's program, and randomly hand it out to other students, with a new assignment: add multiplication and division to this program, and fix any bugs in the code. Time counts again. Note that even though I say is the random, I will in truth pick out who gets what, those who did a good fast job get aweful programs to work with, while those who did a bad job get good ones, and there will be a comment as each studnet picks up his assignment that this is an example to learn from. After they turn in the completed assignment (remember time counts) they will get another assignment, write a short paper to the author of the program you graded on what you found good/bad. (english skills don't count so long as it is understandable, ideas do)
Finially, everyone see's how their program looked after the second guy got done with it, and the comments. Grades for the second half will take into account how the first half turned out, so someone who got a horrid, non-working assignment and took all week to make some stupid algorithm work will get as much points as someone who was able to get their assignment done in an hour. How long it took the second programer to modify the orginal code is a factor, but minor since bad programs should not take down easy to modify code.
Just make sure that this is done early in the year, if they are supposed to learn C++ in your class, this won't work, by the time they can do this all their other classes are in crunch time and a good student may notbe able to get this done quickly. I recomend giving this assignment the first day of class, if they can't hack it then, they need more expirence than your class can give.
See my other reply to this topic. It is management's job to make sure I'm paid exactly what I'm worth to the company, no more or less. Inflation, expirence, and education, and the job market all are factors that, and reasons to give someone a raise. If they are not looking at market value, then they are not doing their job!
Sure I need to look at my market value from time to time, but I don't get paid to do that, so I have to look on my own time. The boss gets paid to know what I'm worth, if he doesn't know my market value, then he failed to do his job.
If you accept this counter offer you are sending a message: he can be underpaid for a long time before we have to bring him up to norms.
So for those of us who have not found a better job - YET - please refuse the coutner offer. Make management become pro-active in keeping those who are worth keeping. I personally hate looking for a new job, but I see some writing on the wall, and I think I'm worth more. If everyone refused counter offers, management would be forced to do their job of getting to know me and figguring out what I'm worth to the company now instead of what I'm worth elsewhere.
Simply put, I've been here for a few years. I know obscure details of the system that most of the other programers don't know. If I leave they lose the knowledge I can pull out of my head as needed. Depending on the situation that means either reading documentation (typically out of date), code (at least it is accurate, but you miss the subtil points), or finding bugs in testing instead of design. Appearently the company doesn't agree that my expirence is worth much though, or they would pay me for it.
If a company really wanted you to stay, and thought you were worth 50% more than they are paying you, why didn't they pay you 50% more to begin with and prevent you from looking. They were mistreating you, if they were willing to pay you 50% more, and didn't until you quit. They will only do it again.
If the new offer was 1% more, and they then went 2% more, I could accept that, you might gain that much more value between reviews, (but at review time your raise should be less...). Frankly they don't think you are worth 50% more, they just want a few months to train your replacement.
Dogs are loyal. People work for money and job satisfaction. If they are willing to pay your more than they are, then they didn't try their best to satisfy you, and you should assume they will not.
A man of his word will not back out of an agreement once made for money. It looks like you consider money more than your word, and that is bad. Once you quit, you are out. They can hire you again in a month if you don't like to new place, but you owe the new place your honest word.
While I agree it goes to a multiplexer in many cases. (I was trying to weasel out of central office, but couldn't find a good way to do it), that isn't really relavent. The largest cost of wiring is labor. Most people prefer underground utilities, and labor to put it into the ground is very high. Just from your house to the little green box (not the multiplexer) is ~100, and cable companies will generaly do that for free (phone companies often charge for it).
my Sun3-60s only have access to 10Base, so that is what I use. I'm planing on a wireless network, but again as you say, not fast. My 386-25 still does useful work, the Suns are more for bragging rights.
I've thought about 100Base, but I only have one machine (the server) that could use the bandwidth, so it hardly seems worth the upgrade.
this spring there was major construction along my normal route to work, and the delays that go with it. I looked for alternate routes, and tried several. After stop lights the alternate routes at best were equal to the main road in time. I got better gas milage because I was driving slower, but they routes were also enough longer that I used more gas anyway.
When they start making alternate routes that work, then perhaps this will be helpful. However people are not like packets, you route my /. request through London, and I will not notice the delay despite crossing the pond twice. Route me across town in my car and my 1/2 hour commute (without construction) turns into 3 hours.
My company once did this for a 25Mhz dec machine. We discovered that you now need a new protocol to the adaptor card, and the overhead of that protocol is equal to a well tuned tcp/ip stack. So if they can actually make this work, what it really means is that linux hackers should spend some time to tune the stack.
Note though that tuning the stack may come at the expense of maintainability, or flexability.
While there are many cost advantages, the one airplace for all services is not a good idea. If Boeing wins some, and Lockheed wins some, then each time some branch wants a new plane they can get bids. If only one plane is used, it is cheaper, but next time Boeing says "Guess what, we didn't make any money last time, so we had to get rid of our military designers, at which point Lockheed has a monopoly. If each branch was different, then both would win a few contracts, so both would keep designing planes.
I'm also not sure that one size fits all is a good idea anyway. The air force doesn't care about carrier landings, or even the ability to make them. They would much prefer a plane that they can afford the fuel to send anywhere in the world from one of two desert air strips. (if you fly commercially you will notice the ex-navy pilots hit the breaks as soon as they land, and throw you against the belts, the air force pilots barely hit the last turn off. I prefer air force from a comfort standpoint, and it really doesn't matter most of the time)
Like everything else, it is more complex then the above. As a tax payer, anything to get costs down without cutting defense too much is a good thing. (the definition of too much is one penny over whatever it takes to maintain my way of life, which doens't even begin to show how complex that is)
first year teaching. sorry about that.
As one young math professior I had in college said I hope you sometime get the fun of working in at least 11 dimintions. He was a young guy (first you teaching), and was truely serious about that. Now I can deal with 2d graphics just fine, and 3d graphs are normally not a problem, though optical illusions sometimes are possible so I don't rely on them, but the one 4d graph I saw just threw my mind in a loop, and I decided not to bother with them again.
Maybe I'm not a visual person, but I can't deal with 4d graphs. I can deal with math in 11 dimentions if I have to, though I'm not good. The ability to work on 2d and 3d problems without a graph helps when you deal with problems that cannot be easially graphed.
Then again, all my college classes allowed calculators, but the time to enter numbers was longer than the time to calculate things in my head so I rarely used my HP-48 after my freshman year.
Read the book, it goes into several pages of detail, which I'm too lazy to type up. (not to mention I don't have the book with me, and it would be illegal to do so)
Are you sure you don't own the street? Typical practice in the US is that you own the rights to the property to the middle of the road, but you must allow anyone who wants to, the right to pass on the road without charge, and any utility to use the side of the road for cables/pipes.
I know I own half the road in front of my house, I suspect you do too.
Note, that by own I of course mean the right to rent the property from the local goverment who can demand whatever rent they want for it. In turn I vote to make sure the rent they want is reasonable, and keeps the road in front of my house in good shape.
Jessica Litman wrote an excellent book Digital Copyright, which I recomend everyone read.
In the book she references a discussion of copyright lawyers, many of whom hold the opinion that it is not legally possibla to place works in the public domain.
Your probably right, which is even sadder when you recall that the largest cost of providing service to you is the wire to your house, and the doesn't change between someone who cancled their subscription, and someone who has the cable filled to the max physics allows.
Thats right, if you buy service for a month and cancle it, the cable company loses money on you. The phone company has it worse, the cable company only has about 100 feet of cable that isn't shared to pay for (they generaly buy high quality cable, not home depot special), while the phone company has 4+ wires from your house all the way to a central office. (although the cable is cheaper, there is more of it)
The cost of cable is large enough that wireless will be cheapest for those who don't mind the limited bandwidth avaiable. (and interestingly some wireless providers give you a shared 10Mbs, while cable is often shared 1/Mbs, and DSL an unshared .5Mbs. I'm not sure how much DSL can increase, but cable should be able to go much faster.
Public radio has to appease the masses, just that the masses they appease are smaller in number. Doesn't make them any more intelligent, in fact less so based on the number of people who think NPR news is unbiases vs the number of people who think other sources are unbiases. (most people know comercial news is biased, and they accept or even prefer that bias)
It is not possibal to have unbiased news coverage. All you can do is seek out all the different views (good news srouces seek to present several, but they cannot present all because of the shear number of slightly different views). Pick your source, try to find some from a different country, and then pick your position. Unfortunatly this is hard, and nobody has the time to do this for every story, so we just do the best we can with the few viewpoints we get, often forgetting that it has influenced our thinking.
Your only kidding yourself. I've been framed, and misunderstood enough times that I no longer trust anyone with athority. And those incidences were before I reached 4th grade.
I was not fighting in first grade. I got wrote up for it anyway because someone in power decided that what I was doing just could have been fighting at a first glance, and so I was wrote up. I've not forgotten that incident. I have been innocent and just punished for it.
There are others, but that one stands out in my mind, and is proff byond the shadow of a doupt that goverment is out to get you.
It is summer, between the boat, mowing the lawn, projects, and just playing with the dog, I won't be in very much except for work.
However I do plan on using some books as reference materials for various scientific expiriments. (get the full paper catalog, a lot of the good stuff isn't shown online). Someone in my neighborhood should make his own transisters for instance.
Although every one in a while there is a lazy rainy night when I wish I has some books to read, I do most of my reading in winter.
True, the land belongs to the goverment, and you still have to pay rent on it. Don't belive me, then don't pay your property taxes and see how long you have that paper and key.
Not an issue, a good locksmith (who knows safes, which isn't all good locksmiths) can get into any safe in less than a day, but the effort will leave physical evidence.
True, but science is generally required in middle school, while chemistry is optional in latter years. I don't know about your school, but my middle school general science did cover 2H+O = H20 (they didn't go into that it is actually 2H2 + O2 = 2H2O)
Middle school science was actually enough for someone who has no intention of scientific, engineering or medical work in latter years. A musician has no need to know more science, though there is nothing wrong with wanting to know more, likewise for carpenters, mechanics, fast food worker, and many other stuch jobs.
How many people have intimate knowlege of the internal code is irrelavent. What is relavent is how many experts have examined the code to be sure that it is correct. Before code is used for something like flight controll I would expect experts to examine it closely to be sure it worked right. (actually not, game programers with an AI can probably do a better job just rewarding their system for smooth flights even in turbluant weather, but that is a different debate)
100 experts paid by the goverment to assure the code is correct is not as good as 100 paid experts, plus 1000 amatures doing the same. And the existance of a few amatures sabotaging their work makes it better because it forces the experts to think things through. (when everything is expected to work you can be lazy with the rubber stamp, when some parts are suspected to be sabotaged you have to look closely)
There is a theory of testing which says you put some number of known bugs in the code without telling the testers. Don't stop testing until they find all the known bugs because that gives you the best chance of stumbling across the unknown bugs. (the countery argument is fixing known bugs cna introduce more so it isn't a clear win, but it is still a point to consider)
Actually the US automakers are looking at Hybreds for SUVs. However they are not looking at a hybrid like you would think of it. They just want to put a small electric moter on each front wheel, and save the weight of 4 wheel drive, which is heavy. They should at least get a 4x4 with about the same milage as a 2 wheel drive equivelent if they do it right.
Sounds good on paper, I don't know why I haven't seen them yet.
OTOH, SUVs are generally better canidates for hybrid or all electric cars. They tend to have a large frame underneith (instead of unibody) with plenty of open space for batteries.
Concept cars are worthless, I want a car I can buy. VW won't sell me that car for any amount of money, much less an amount I can afford.
If this car costs $250,000, then I don't want it. It costs me about $4000 a year to keep my current truck (If I keep it for 5 years and drive as much as I do now, which seems reasonable). Even assuming I get 15 years from the car (reasonable, I live in the rust belt so the body will go long before that engine dies) I still can't afford it despite the low gas costs. Sell the same car for $10000, and I'll buy one, gas savings will pay for it in just a few years. I ran the numbers on a 50 mpg car, and they don't work out, but 200 mpg does.