Twitter, twitter, twitter. *Nobody* is attacking Linux or the command line here, so there's nothing to defend against. The point is that Linux doesn't *require* you to use the command line. The fact that you *can* is one thing that makes it great, but the fact that you don't *have* to is an important factor in introducing it to new people.
While I certainly agree that 3 apps is too few, especially for a teenager, I find your list misleading....
1. In my experience, the typical teenager will either only use one IM protocol or will find something like Pidgin or Trillian.
2. IE 7 and, more importantly tabs, are far more prevalent than you let on (and, depending on how MS handles it, multiple windows may not even count as separate apps, even though they are separate processes....)
3. While a lot of teenagers will certainly have a light game going, it will likely be flash-based and thus covered in the above note about tabs.
4. The typical teenager is using webmail and, as such, covered in the note about tabs.
5. Video chat will likely either be via IM, covered above, or via Skype, which didn't mention, so this may or may not be adding a service.
So we've brought your 10 down to 4 rather trivially. Still too many according to MS, which is the main reason I see no need to exaggerate things.
Different phones have have different web browsers built in so saying "it loads on my desktop but not on my phone" is as useful as saying "it loads on one of my laptops but not the other" without mentioning that those laptops have different operating systems and web browsers.
I agree with this, but when he doesn't mention his desktop platform or browser, the post just comes off as "OH HAI I HAS AN IPHONE".
You say that, but those pirating windows really don't need to worry about it. Meanwhile there have been several reports of WGA incorrectly reporting legitimate copies as pirated. So, WGA is really only a concern (practically speaking) if you *don't* steal Windows.
And, of course, there are the ideological bits. I prefer "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty until proven innocent", especially when I'm giving money to Microsoft.
False analogy! The store physically lost a gallon of milk (which, in fact, may cost the store more than the profits of the other two gallons). Moreover, the store would have almost certainly sold that gallon to somebody, even if not the guy who stole it, so it represents a lost sale, as well.
I don't care what your country's opinion on criminals is, since that's unrelated. The only criminal in a case like this would be you, assuming your country has laws against computer tampering and all of the related (which I'm willing to assume it does, since you haven't disputed this point elsewhere). What's that? The downloader is a criminal for copyright infringement? Actually, you're authorizing the copy by uploading it in the first place, so the downloads are non-infringing. If you ever implement this, prepare for your company to lose everything.
As the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide relevant evidence and citations of your claims. To put such a burden on the one you are arguing with is like saying "The gun control is [good/bad], but do your own research to find my arguments unless you're retarded." This is clearly silly.
There are certainly issues, but I would like to note that avoidance of something does not render one's opinion in the matter irrelevant. In my own experience, people have found my anime recommendations to be very useful and accurate despite the fact that my own anime experience has been very slight (a few episodes of crappy American dubs, a couple episodes of fan-subbed Naruto, and the first several episodes of Higurashi, to be entirely complete). The key is that I associate with a lot of people who watch a lot of anime and talk a lot of anime, and I pick up a lot on it. I'd think working at Nintendo would be a similar experience, so that one who never plays games can still speak with fair authority on the matter.
I speak as someone who played the PC version and, despite being a diehard original Fallout/Fallout 2 fan, managed to enjoy Fallout 3 on the basis of "well, I would have liked it if they didn't put Fallout's name on it, so it's clearly not a bad game." I still wish they hadn't used Fallout's name, though.
That said, I found the game to be incredibly buggy in many respects. The most annoying was the absurd number of times I crashed to desktop. I'm talking northward of a hundred in maybe 50-60 hours of gameplay. Also, extended periods of play made the game rather laggy on High settings, despite others on the internet with worse specs than my machine reporting that they could play on Ultra with no problem. It seemed proportional to how often I went into VATS (which itself was unnecessarily laggy).
As for some more SPOILERIFFIC bugs, the worst was certainly in Big Town where I was tasked with fixing some robots, but the robots were nowhere to be found. The fix, according to the intertubes, was to spawn the robots using the game console. While all I did was fix an issue that never should have come up, I couldn't help but feel shame throughout the rest of the game at having used the console to "cheat". There were a few instances where completing mission objectives before they became objectives meant that the waypoint stayed on my map after they became objectives. This meant that I had a waypoint pointing at the Lincoln memorial until I beat the game! A few other minor flag instances also came up, but most were fixed if I had an appropriately timed save I could go back to without being too annoying.
Again, not everyone who likes tv and movies and have internet connections get them from the internet. Some people, shockingly, still use cable/satellite television and buy/rent movies from stores/Netflix. I'll give you a moment to sit down and process that one, really. (Yes, I know Netflix offers the "watch online" option, which is helping drive up the typical user's bandwidth, but it's still far from everybody).
Not everyone wants streaming media, and it's highly disingenuous to suggest that they do. It's certainly a large and quickly growing market, but there are plenty many people who don't want it or are just fine with a lower-quality feed.
What's your point? The fact that 640k ought to be enough for anybody isn't true anymore won't stop the fact that people won't want to pay for something they won't use to the full extent yet and don't know if they ever will. What average homeowner will say "Oh, I might not need 5Mbps right now, but I might 10 years down the line, so I better get on that plan now"? Especially when they know they'll be able to upgrade later down the line when they *do* need it.
Wow, just wow, this is epic fail (or troll, or both).
You are correct about things divided by zero not being infinity. However, we generally define "x/0" to be "lim_{h \rightarrow 0} x/h}" and, if x is a constant such as in the grandparent, this is infinity.
Secondly, 0 is a number, but it is one for which division is undefined. Unlike infinity, which is not a number, 0 is an element of R and very clearly has number-status.
On the same note, if we're willing to take the risk of breaking things and non-compatibility, what reason does Nintendo have for patching it out? I mean, they're free to if they wish (obviously), but we've clearly stated that being one of their nice uniform consoles is not our primary intention.
Nobody is criticizing Nintendo for selling at a profit. People are, however, pointing out that homebrew, if anything, is having a positive effect by selling more consoles (at profit) and is having no negative effect due to the lack of game piracy.
That, in fact, is the point of TFA. It supports Google because Android has methods of installation besides their app store, and things installed via these methods are presumably not subject to the kill switch (TFA seems to make this assumption without sourcing it). You'll still have the ability to install things while Google has the ability to stop malware distribution from their trusted source. It doesn't support Apple because the only supported way of installing things is through the app store.
I don't know in general, but the GP's comment is a known issue with some Windows Mobile phones, such as the Moto Q. All the same, I don't know if this is a Windows Mobile issue or some special defect of those models, or even some linear combination thereof, but it's not completely off base.
The cinema is a different story. As the cinema owner, I firstly have to deal with the issue of scarcity. I only have a limited number of seats in my cinema, after all (unless somebody has remodeled Hilbert's Hotel). Further, by being in my cinema they are causing wear on my property (such as the seats), so they are removing real value in at least two ways that are easy to consider.
This is a very insightful post that contributes a lot to the discussion....
Oh wait, no, the way around.
Honestly, the GP asked what others thought of when they hear "open source" and I told him. I also believe my definition to be the most obvious/intuitive one or, in other words, the one that most people who don't try to research the OSI will think of. I don't see how "maybe that is my problem" at all.
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Might I suggest Meebo?
Twitter, twitter, twitter. *Nobody* is attacking Linux or the command line here, so there's nothing to defend against. The point is that Linux doesn't *require* you to use the command line. The fact that you *can* is one thing that makes it great, but the fact that you don't *have* to is an important factor in introducing it to new people.
While I certainly agree that 3 apps is too few, especially for a teenager, I find your list misleading....
1. In my experience, the typical teenager will either only use one IM protocol or will find something like Pidgin or Trillian.
2. IE 7 and, more importantly tabs, are far more prevalent than you let on (and, depending on how MS handles it, multiple windows may not even count as separate apps, even though they are separate processes....)
3. While a lot of teenagers will certainly have a light game going, it will likely be flash-based and thus covered in the above note about tabs.
4. The typical teenager is using webmail and, as such, covered in the note about tabs.
5. Video chat will likely either be via IM, covered above, or via Skype, which didn't mention, so this may or may not be adding a service.
So we've brought your 10 down to 4 rather trivially. Still too many according to MS, which is the main reason I see no need to exaggerate things.
Different phones have have different web browsers built in so saying "it loads on my desktop but not on my phone" is as useful as saying "it loads on one of my laptops but not the other" without mentioning that those laptops have different operating systems and web browsers.
I agree with this, but when he doesn't mention his desktop platform or browser, the post just comes off as "OH HAI I HAS AN IPHONE".
You say that, but those pirating windows really don't need to worry about it. Meanwhile there have been several reports of WGA incorrectly reporting legitimate copies as pirated. So, WGA is really only a concern (practically speaking) if you *don't* steal Windows.
And, of course, there are the ideological bits. I prefer "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty until proven innocent", especially when I'm giving money to Microsoft.
False analogy! The store physically lost a gallon of milk (which, in fact, may cost the store more than the profits of the other two gallons). Moreover, the store would have almost certainly sold that gallon to somebody, even if not the guy who stole it, so it represents a lost sale, as well.
I don't care what your country's opinion on criminals is, since that's unrelated. The only criminal in a case like this would be you, assuming your country has laws against computer tampering and all of the related (which I'm willing to assume it does, since you haven't disputed this point elsewhere). What's that? The downloader is a criminal for copyright infringement? Actually, you're authorizing the copy by uploading it in the first place, so the downloads are non-infringing. If you ever implement this, prepare for your company to lose everything.
As the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide relevant evidence and citations of your claims. To put such a burden on the one you are arguing with is like saying "The gun control is [good/bad], but do your own research to find my arguments unless you're retarded." This is clearly silly.
There are certainly issues, but I would like to note that avoidance of something does not render one's opinion in the matter irrelevant. In my own experience, people have found my anime recommendations to be very useful and accurate despite the fact that my own anime experience has been very slight (a few episodes of crappy American dubs, a couple episodes of fan-subbed Naruto, and the first several episodes of Higurashi, to be entirely complete). The key is that I associate with a lot of people who watch a lot of anime and talk a lot of anime, and I pick up a lot on it. I'd think working at Nintendo would be a similar experience, so that one who never plays games can still speak with fair authority on the matter.
I speak as someone who played the PC version and, despite being a diehard original Fallout/Fallout 2 fan, managed to enjoy Fallout 3 on the basis of "well, I would have liked it if they didn't put Fallout's name on it, so it's clearly not a bad game." I still wish they hadn't used Fallout's name, though.
That said, I found the game to be incredibly buggy in many respects. The most annoying was the absurd number of times I crashed to desktop. I'm talking northward of a hundred in maybe 50-60 hours of gameplay. Also, extended periods of play made the game rather laggy on High settings, despite others on the internet with worse specs than my machine reporting that they could play on Ultra with no problem. It seemed proportional to how often I went into VATS (which itself was unnecessarily laggy).
As for some more SPOILERIFFIC bugs, the worst was certainly in Big Town where I was tasked with fixing some robots, but the robots were nowhere to be found. The fix, according to the intertubes, was to spawn the robots using the game console. While all I did was fix an issue that never should have come up, I couldn't help but feel shame throughout the rest of the game at having used the console to "cheat". There were a few instances where completing mission objectives before they became objectives meant that the waypoint stayed on my map after they became objectives. This meant that I had a waypoint pointing at the Lincoln memorial until I beat the game! A few other minor flag instances also came up, but most were fixed if I had an appropriately timed save I could go back to without being too annoying.
There's some adage about two wrongs and a right in there....
Again, not everyone who likes tv and movies and have internet connections get them from the internet. Some people, shockingly, still use cable/satellite television and buy/rent movies from stores/Netflix. I'll give you a moment to sit down and process that one, really. (Yes, I know Netflix offers the "watch online" option, which is helping drive up the typical user's bandwidth, but it's still far from everybody).
Not everyone wants streaming media, and it's highly disingenuous to suggest that they do. It's certainly a large and quickly growing market, but there are plenty many people who don't want it or are just fine with a lower-quality feed.
What's your point? The fact that 640k ought to be enough for anybody isn't true anymore won't stop the fact that people won't want to pay for something they won't use to the full extent yet and don't know if they ever will. What average homeowner will say "Oh, I might not need 5Mbps right now, but I might 10 years down the line, so I better get on that plan now"? Especially when they know they'll be able to upgrade later down the line when they *do* need it.
Wow, just wow, this is epic fail (or troll, or both).
You are correct about things divided by zero not being infinity. However, we generally define "x/0" to be "lim_{h \rightarrow 0} x/h}" and, if x is a constant such as in the grandparent, this is infinity.
Secondly, 0 is a number, but it is one for which division is undefined. Unlike infinity, which is not a number, 0 is an element of R and very clearly has number-status.
But the important question is why anybody would do this. Most people would use a linear search, which has 0% chance of a recurring guess.
On the same note, if we're willing to take the risk of breaking things and non-compatibility, what reason does Nintendo have for patching it out? I mean, they're free to if they wish (obviously), but we've clearly stated that being one of their nice uniform consoles is not our primary intention.
Nobody is criticizing Nintendo for selling at a profit. People are, however, pointing out that homebrew, if anything, is having a positive effect by selling more consoles (at profit) and is having no negative effect due to the lack of game piracy.
The fact that it's a quote doesn't change the rest of it.
That, in fact, is the point of TFA. It supports Google because Android has methods of installation besides their app store, and things installed via these methods are presumably not subject to the kill switch (TFA seems to make this assumption without sourcing it). You'll still have the ability to install things while Google has the ability to stop malware distribution from their trusted source. It doesn't support Apple because the only supported way of installing things is through the app store.
I don't know in general, but the GP's comment is a known issue with some Windows Mobile phones, such as the Moto Q. All the same, I don't know if this is a Windows Mobile issue or some special defect of those models, or even some linear combination thereof, but it's not completely off base.
The cinema is a different story. As the cinema owner, I firstly have to deal with the issue of scarcity. I only have a limited number of seats in my cinema, after all (unless somebody has remodeled Hilbert's Hotel). Further, by being in my cinema they are causing wear on my property (such as the seats), so they are removing real value in at least two ways that are easy to consider.
He got elected, didn't he? Twice, even. Don't know what more it would take to consider him to have won....
This is a very insightful post that contributes a lot to the discussion....
Oh wait, no, the way around.
Honestly, the GP asked what others thought of when they hear "open source" and I told him. I also believe my definition to be the most obvious/intuitive one or, in other words, the one that most people who don't try to research the OSI will think of. I don't see how "maybe that is my problem" at all.
Yes, I agree. But compilation is not one of said rights to my knowledge.