Alongside the search for the Baiji, the scientists surveyed also the population of the endemic Yangtze Finless Porpoise, and the total was less than 400. The situation of the finless propoise is just like that of the baiji 20 years ago, sais Wang Ding, deputy director of the Institute of Hydrobiology Wuhan. Their numbers are declining at an alarming rate. If we do not act soon they will become a second Baiji, said Wang Ding, deputy director of the Institute of Hydrobiology of the Chinese Academy of Science in Wuhan
* DS: 918k
* PS2: 664k
* Game Boy Advance: 661k
* Xbox 360: 511k
* Wii: 476k
* PSP: 412k
* PS3: 197k
Software Sales (units and sales grossed)
* Gears of War: 1 million -- $61.5 million
* Final Fantasy XII: 896k -- $49 million
* The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: 412k -- $20.2 million
* Guitar Hero II: 356k -- $20.2 million
All very interesting, but what I want to know is: Who are these 64 thousand new Wii owners who didn't pick up twilight princess? For Shame.
Richard M. Stallman himself said that Sun had released more lines of free software source code than any other single entity (paraphrasing because I can't find the quote right now).
Here's your quote:
FSF president and founder Richard Stallman said, "I think Sun has contributed more than any other company to the free software community in the form of software. It shows leadership. It's an example I hope others will follow."
read Viva La Revolution (a funny insightful book about the revolt) and also Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
Quick synopsis for those uninitiated to John Perkins
Economic Hitmen give the "hyper-rich" unfair advantages on foriegn investment. Financed by ensuring the raise a small new set of newly rich in a foriegn country that is dependant upon US companies for technology and construction. Often this set of newly rich do nothing to help their fellow countrymen raise their economic status, occassionally they do try and we kill them.
I have a hard time seeing retro game downloads as a selling point. I will first ignore the fact I own almost all the games available to download, and the fact anyone can get Mame and download them also. I haven't heard of a single person who has picked up a game over 10 years old and spent a lot of time with, let alone 30 minutes.
I've got a 10 yr old who is just now discovering the classics I grew up with. Excellent selling point. Yesterday I heard her humming a level theme from Sonic and I said "Green Meadows?" she said "How did you know?". I was playing that game before you were born.
Giving her the ability to play these games on her wii frees up my pc again. Thank You Nintendo. It also gives us what we have been asking for all these years in the emulation scene. A legitimate way to purchase roms. Thanks again nintendo.
All of this talk of length and depth even girth. Bah,I think developers should spend a little more time on the sorely overlooked height of today's next generation games.
While I can believe 15,000 try something under Wine, I think if problems arise they will largely do what they currently do: dual boot. I'd say the purists who will abstain are probably well under 2,000. One hears "the only reason I have Win32 on my box is for games" far far more often than "I only play native Linux games".
Wait, you think the single OS Linux user base is 2000 boxes or just the gaming single OS linux userbase.
I think your estimate is very low. How often do you hear I'd love to play PrinceOfPersia but it won't play on my Linux box even under wine or cedega. I hear it plenty. Hell, I say it plenty and as loud and to as many developers as possible.
This kind of unrealistic estimate is why devs say there is no market.
Dual-Booting Windows/Linux is like quitting smoking by not buying Marlboro but still rolling your own.
There is a 4th choice. Let the Wine devs fix Wine. If the game is as popular as you stated then this will most likely occur.
That would be a lot easier with the Game Developers Assistance rather than wait and see if some collection of 3rd Party maintainers magically increases my userbase.
Bullshit. The history of the whole of Europe is the story of autocratic dictatorships losing their power and becoming democracies.
Far be it from me to speak for Fmr President John Adams, but.
At the time of this quote he was more than correct. You must take the long view. Many of the democracies alive and well today are very young indeed. I believe we are the only one over 200 and we are a republic.
The general trend is that liberty tends to increase.
I take it you believe only through democracy can liberty increase. Hmmmmmm. I think many a country has increased the liberty of it's citizenry without resorting to democracy.
Note: I strongly supprt Democracy as an ideal. I'm just saying
Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
John Adams
As it reads, 454,000 SOFTWARE purchases exceeds 75% of all HARDWARE purchase(r)s. Does that mean 75% of all wii purchases, or 75% of all console purchases ? If it's the latter, does that mean non-wii owners have been buying this game (if that's at all possible) ?
You do realize there is a gamecube version as well.
Preferring native, buying Win32 as a last resort, is part of the problem. The developer knows they will get you as a paying customer regardless of whether they do Linux or not. The Linux market is only those who will *never* buy the Win32 version.
I respectfully disagree. Here is why:
Picture yourself a developer. You release a game to rave reviews. Consumer response starts coming in. Emails about how great you are. Bug Reports. and 15 thousand emails complaining that the game is buggy as hell under wine so we won't buy it. Now your decision to be win32 only on the next game is colored by 15 thousand potential customers.
You have 3 choices.
1. Ignore those hippy treehugging free software running geeks.
2. Code your Game to run under Wine
3. Go cross platform.
Option 2 and 3 equates to 15 thousand more sales and 1 more working linux game. I'm fine with 2 but prefer 3.
Let's not make it sound easier than it is. Coding a AAA game is a serious undertaking, with serious risk. One way to reduce this risk is to release a Linux Binary with the Windows binary. Linux users are voracious consumers when it comes to games probably due to the fact that there are so few AAA Linux games. My comments are meant to explain that by being a customer gives your voice more weight than some free software activist (perception) opinion. I buy good games that work and I give CUSTOMER feedback.
I could care less how we get there. I just want games that work. I have a soft spot for wine, in that it doesn't put any more pressure on the already stressed game developer (But puts enormous stress on the end user).
So my take is the "market" for any game is how many copies can you sell. I contend any windows game that also works under linux increases that games market by the number of linux users (The World of Warcraft developers can attest), how it works is irrellevant (As a developer, I prefer to ensure it works rather than hope the Wine guys figure it out).
An Inconvenient Truth didn't have much in the way of science in it as far as hard numbers go. And without numbers, all of Al's pretty graphs don't mean anything.
So... You are arguing that in order to make a Science Documentary Film more palatable it should have MORE numbers in it.
You do realize this was a theatrical release film, right. It is supposed to spur you to action, including looking up the numbers at, oh I don't know, the film's website.
There is no contradiction there, Linux users buy and run Win32 games and that undermines the need for native Linux ports. The Linux Market is *not* the number of Linux users that would buy a native Linux port, it is only those who would never buy a Win32 version and emulate or dual boot.
Ahh, but therein lies the rub. Personally I buy only when I know it will run. If it's native linux I Buy it (Quake4,Doom3,UT2k4, etc). If the torrent works emuklated I will pick up a retail copy . So the market is the number of "Working" Games. More Linux native ports = more working games = more sales.
I do not dual boot. I wine what I can and live without the rest.
If we could convince MS to port directx to linux (yeah right) Game sales would hit a new all time high.
Same old story. There are no games for linux. There is no game market for linux. Linux users don't buy.
All are bullshit. Linux users buy GAMES. We prefer free but we buy Good Commercial games. Anyone who will continuously fiddle with wine and cedega for MONTHS (Sometimes Years (Half-Life) to get it to work, knows the value, and will pay for a Linux Native Binary.
The real reason we have this problem can be summed up in two words : DirectX
Notice anything about the games at the top? OpenGL.
We need a good OpenGL Push on the consoles that can easily port to windows linux and mac.
Slashdot Mirror
Otherwise how can we be objective?
Alongside the search for the Baiji, the scientists surveyed also the population of the endemic Yangtze Finless Porpoise, and the total was less than 400. The situation of the finless propoise is just like that of the baiji 20 years ago, sais Wang Ding, deputy director of the Institute of Hydrobiology Wuhan. Their numbers are declining at an alarming rate. If we do not act soon they will become a second Baiji, said Wang Ding, deputy director of the Institute of Hydrobiology of the Chinese Academy of Science in Wuhan
http://www.baiji.org/expeditions/1/overview.html
http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/lexusolivetree.htm
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&saf e=off&q=spreadsheet&btnG=Search
* DS: 918k
* PS2: 664k
* Game Boy Advance: 661k
* Xbox 360: 511k
* Wii: 476k
* PSP: 412k
* PS3: 197k
Software Sales (units and sales grossed)
* Gears of War: 1 million -- $61.5 million
* Final Fantasy XII: 896k -- $49 million
* The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: 412k -- $20.2 million
* Guitar Hero II: 356k -- $20.2 million
All very interesting, but what I want to know is: Who are these 64 thousand new Wii owners who didn't pick up twilight princess? For Shame.
Here's your quote: FSF president and founder Richard Stallman said, "I think Sun has contributed more than any other company to the free software community in the form of software. It shows leadership. It's an example I hope others will follow."
http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html
Ahh brings back memories of my youth, Dad would be hanging christmas decorations, sister helping Mom make the PBJ&Ham samitches.
Good Times. Good Times.
You mean OTHER consoles are generally sold at a loss. Nintendo does not operate this way. They make money or they don't sell it.
Those wacky japanese businessmen.
Quick synopsis for those uninitiated to John Perkins
Economic Hitmen give the "hyper-rich" unfair advantages on foriegn investment. Financed by ensuring the raise a small new set of newly rich in a foriegn country that is dependant upon US companies for technology and construction. Often this set of newly rich do nothing to help their fellow countrymen raise their economic status, occassionally they do try and we kill them.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/0 9/1526251 DemocracyNow interview with John Perkins.
I've got a 10 yr old who is just now discovering the classics I grew up with. Excellent selling point. Yesterday I heard her humming a level theme from Sonic and I said "Green Meadows?" she said "How did you know?". I was playing that game before you were born.
Giving her the ability to play these games on her wii frees up my pc again. Thank You Nintendo. It also gives us what we have been asking for all these years in the emulation scene. A legitimate way to purchase roms. Thanks again nintendo.
Lived a Wii-centric life. Beware EA.. Beware
That's right I said it.
OS with new PCs, Browser with OS, Media Player with OS etc..
Then of course you must recognize their innovative ability to help 3rd parties create new markets and then destroy it with a new MS product.
I think you mean "so I can play them with my wii"
Thank you and good night.
Wow, I mean wow. You go through all the trouble to get a new console and all you can think about is smacking Hos with your wii.
Nice.
For Shame.
Damn, it even says 12/12 in the link I posted.
Wait, you think the single OS Linux user base is 2000 boxes or just the gaming single OS linux userbase.
I think your estimate is very low. How often do you hear I'd love to play PrinceOfPersia but it won't play on my Linux box even under wine or cedega. I hear it plenty. Hell, I say it plenty and as loud and to as many developers as possible.
This kind of unrealistic estimate is why devs say there is no market.
Dual-Booting Windows/Linux is like quitting smoking by not buying Marlboro but still rolling your own.
There is a 4th choice. Let the Wine devs fix Wine. If the game is as popular as you stated then this will most likely occur.
That would be a lot easier with the Game Developers Assistance rather than wait and see if some collection of 3rd Party maintainers magically increases my userbase.
On knees under my desk
My secretary says both work great for her.
At the time of this quote he was more than correct. You must take the long view. Many of the democracies alive and well today are very young indeed. I believe we are the only one over 200 and we are a republic.
The general trend is that liberty tends to increase.
I take it you believe only through democracy can liberty increase. Hmmmmmm. I think many a country has increased the liberty of it's citizenry without resorting to democracy.
Note: I strongly supprt Democracy as an ideal. I'm just saying
John Adams
I nominate Newt as democracy's first victim.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharse t=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=twilight+pr incess&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y& usc=All+Categories
I respectfully disagree. Here is why:
Picture yourself a developer. You release a game to rave reviews. Consumer response starts coming in. Emails about how great you are. Bug Reports. and 15 thousand emails complaining that the game is buggy as hell under wine so we won't buy it. Now your decision to be win32 only on the next game is colored by 15 thousand potential customers.
You have 3 choices.
1. Ignore those hippy treehugging free software running geeks.
2. Code your Game to run under Wine
3. Go cross platform.
Option 2 and 3 equates to 15 thousand more sales and 1 more working linux game. I'm fine with 2 but prefer 3.
Let's not make it sound easier than it is. Coding a AAA game is a serious undertaking, with serious risk. One way to reduce this risk is to release a Linux Binary with the Windows binary. Linux users are voracious consumers when it comes to games probably due to the fact that there are so few AAA Linux games. My comments are meant to explain that by being a customer gives your voice more weight than some free software activist (perception) opinion. I buy good games that work and I give CUSTOMER feedback.
I could care less how we get there. I just want games that work. I have a soft spot for wine, in that it doesn't put any more pressure on the already stressed game developer (But puts enormous stress on the end user).
So my take is the "market" for any game is how many copies can you sell. I contend any windows game that also works under linux increases that games market by the number of linux users (The World of Warcraft developers can attest), how it works is irrellevant (As a developer, I prefer to ensure it works rather than hope the Wine guys figure it out).
So... You are arguing that in order to make a Science Documentary Film more palatable it should have MORE numbers in it.
You do realize this was a theatrical release film, right. It is supposed to spur you to action, including looking up the numbers at, oh I don't know, the film's website.
http://www.climatecrisis.net/thescience/
Ahh, but therein lies the rub. Personally I buy only when I know it will run. If it's native linux I Buy it (Quake4,Doom3,UT2k4, etc). If the torrent works emuklated I will pick up a retail copy . So the market is the number of "Working" Games. More Linux native ports = more working games = more sales.
I do not dual boot. I wine what I can and live without the rest.
If we could convince MS to port directx to linux (yeah right) Game sales would hit a new all time high.
Same old story. There are no games for linux. There is no game market for linux. Linux users don't buy.
All are bullshit. Linux users buy GAMES. We prefer free but we buy Good Commercial games. Anyone who will continuously fiddle with wine and cedega for MONTHS (Sometimes Years (Half-Life) to get it to work, knows the value, and will pay for a Linux Native Binary.
The real reason we have this problem can be summed up in two words : DirectX
Notice anything about the games at the top? OpenGL.
We need a good OpenGL Push on the consoles that can easily port to windows linux and mac.