If your box is patched for all publicly known exploits, and security holes, that means very little. There are A LOT of "underground" Security exploits crackers use. This is for ALL operating systems, not just Linux and NT. Another problem that plagues linux is lazy admins. Most Linux users aren't willing to take 15 minutes out of there days time and remove those unneeded services out of inetd.conf, and their rc scripts. The same thing goes with admins. The Linux community has its own little "MCSE" type thing going. "Oh, I can install Linux so I guess im qualified to admin a 4 node Xeon Web/SQL server cluster". Or they say "I've been using Linux for 3 years, I'm experencied". When allthough they may know the Linux ins and outs well. They know JACK about security. Linux community needs to crack down hard on security (excuse the pun). Quite a few people poke fun at NT but I say Linux and NT are equal, atleast NT admins have enough common sense NOT TO RUN WEB, DNS, FTP, SMTP, IMAP, TELNET, SUN*, ETC ETC ON A BOX THAT IS ONLY FUNCTIONING AS AN INTERNET GATEWAY! And as far as *BSD users go. There is quite a knowledge base with them, BUT you have to beat it out of them. I find it very hard to talk with BSD users about security, they don't have that "share of ideas" the Linux community has. So common, secure up those boxen!:)
We're only multi-million dollar companies. Not Billion Dollar.
What I find amusing is that, When Linux companies first started IPOing everybody was all like "This is just a trend, it will all go away, nothing to worry about, Linux stocks will fall hard soon"
And yet, you say these weak riding-the-wave Linux companies are pushing around Microsoft? Huh? I don't get it. Make up your mind. Are Linux companies big evil bad guys or are they just little stock gremlins?
RedHat has A LOT less resources to work with then microsoft, and if you say otherwise you are smoking some bad crack.
And redhat doesnt toss the blame around. RedHat doesnt go "Well this is the shadow suit peoples problem" they fix it.
And How many Linux post above your #26 have been "FUDDING" how many multi-million dollar Linux companies have FUDDED about this article? Please reply to this message with links.
As a Redhat user, I really wish redhat WAS more careful about these things. But I spread no MS FUD. Besides that, Redhat !=Linux. Its just 1 distribution of many.
All though, i shouldnt make excuses for redhat. They need to shape their ass up. As a stock holder, It'd probably be a good idea for me to put pressure on them to hire some security consultants to work with them durring the developement of their distributions.
Rob Malda = Fred Durst (from Limp Bizkit).
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I'm telling you. Either they're clones, or Rob lives a double life!
Just picture Rob in a red hat turned backwards, and rapping about perl code.....
PS: I think LB sucks, but Slashdot is pretty cool.
For those of you who work for any large company that produces a product you will probably know that the marketing department lives in a totally different word then the Programmer/engineer/etc live in.
I somehow doubt this was a programmers idea. And I think now they're faced with the task of making it secure and pretty. Besides that, didn't Windows 2k allready go gold about a month ago?
Damage to the open sources community reputation. I'm sure RMS could sue for$50mil in GNU "image" damages. And im sure Redhat, Caldera, Corel, and other Open source supporting commerical distro companies could as well....
Why is he so offended by them. School teachers are one thing, Tech support is another.
Anybody who has any type of tech support/helpdesk job will LOVE his (Illiad) work. My friend thought UF sucked until he accually got a job at an ISP. He is addicted to it now:).
I Also question the Penny Arcade guy for going after User Friendly for this. I could understand a cartoonist mad at another cartoonist if he does something REALLY wrong and REALLY offensive, but this? It just seems petty to me.
I'm not an anti-religous zealot, but Christmas isn't *REALLY* about Jesus.
It was originally a pagan holiday. Jesus was born on January 6th (somewhere around there). The church said "well, if we want to convert these people, we best tie our holidays together. So, December 25th (The pagan winter fest thing) is the birth of christ (Christmas), and Easter (The pagan celebration of a new season, new life etc) was when jesus rose again. When did he arise? I don't know and lets not get into whether he did or not.
It can be anybody's holiday my friend, not just those who believe in Christ.
GPL = Good for the developer BSD = Good for the 3rd party source
Who writes MOST of the software? The developer. Who is going to fix the most bugs? The developer. Who will in the end, probably write most of the drivers? The developer.
With linux expanding, and more commericial organizations being involved in it, some say the BSD license would be better then the GPL.... This may be true but Linux NEEDED the GPL to get where it was.
The GPL wasn't the only element, the posts above states what else it has.
Everybody knows the major linux people, what about BSD.... it's just "oh-whats-his-name".
Yes, FreeBSD is more stable, but Linux is something new, something fresh, something with new ideas and innovations. People like new. It comes down to that. Linux offered a new stable alternative to windows, it was easy to rally around, and you felt proud as a user and and/or as a developer of it.
Linux filled the gap between BSD and Microsoft. Not a traditional Unix (Linux isn't very unixy). This is exactly what needed to be done.
I agree. Vinyl might get a bit crackly, but it sounds so much more natural, specially at high volumes. Sure, its not portable but it sounds way better then digital audio. Same thing goes with Open Reel tapes. Sure, they'll turn to mush in 30-40 years, but 1/4 15IPS stereo recording will probably sound better then a DAT.
Do it! Please! Email the authors and be like "hello, there are many unix users out there who would love to view your video. However, they are unable to because of the codec used. I am willing to convert it to a unix-friendly codec for you, so that you can spread its x-mas joy to more people... how about it?" or something along those lines.
It probably was more like anger. I don't like the way the american system works. Some people (100% of the time, americans) think its the greatest thing the world. Well, its not. We kinda screwed over Iraq, and we DO poke our noses where it doesn't belong. On top of that, we can't be honest about anything. I would have really prefered if bush said "We're going to fight iraq, and help kuwait, to protect oil interests". Sadam was evil, yes, but they painted the wrong picture of what we were really there for.
I don't believe China is even on the internet are they? They wanted to keep out those unwanted ideas that float around the web. So how they get there paws on Linux? Perhaps this is a hoax?
Well, an ext2 to there OS convo tool would be handy, but oh well. I've got to figure out how to back up all of this data so i can make the convertion.... probably i should move all my data to 1 partition, convert the other, move the crap to that one, then delete and recreate the other one in the journaling FS... hmm
These things scare me. Every time a bell rings, somebody around the world loses some rights. The US looks at this and says "Oh my, thats terrible" When very well, it could happen to us. This is something even American Politicians would support (However, I don't see why). Its bound to fail no matter what however. You can't watch everybody. Big Brother won't be Big enough.
Accually, if its priorly applied more then once, they cannot patent it. Its been used on a HUGE scale. It would be like somebody patenting Doing E-Business, its just too widespread. Here's an idea, sue them. Say this will destroy your business method. The Patent it yourself and allow free use:)
This is sarcasm... I hope. I know i've heard this rumor other places as well. But I chose not to believe it for the following reasons: 1)My grandfather was in the navy, and was on one of the small ships that picked up the vessel at re-entry. 2)The Flag can be seen with a large enough telescope. 3)Russians were the first in space, however, they could not pull off a moon mission because there equipment needed a bit more ajustment. 4)Due to the position russia was in. If a Moon landing was successful, they would have made a BIG deal out of it into order to generate ph34r of their communist power. They didnt keep sputnik under cover.
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If your box is patched for all publicly known exploits, and security holes, that means very little. There are A LOT of "underground" Security exploits crackers use. This is for ALL operating systems, not just Linux and NT. Another problem that plagues linux is lazy admins. Most Linux users aren't willing to take 15 minutes out of there days time and remove those unneeded services out of inetd.conf, and their rc scripts. The same thing goes with admins. The Linux community has its own little "MCSE" type thing going. "Oh, I can install Linux so I guess im qualified to admin a 4 node Xeon Web/SQL server cluster". Or they say "I've been using Linux for 3 years, I'm experencied". When allthough they may know the Linux ins and outs well. They know JACK about security. Linux community needs to crack down hard on security (excuse the pun). Quite a few people poke fun at NT but I say Linux and NT are equal, atleast NT admins have enough common sense NOT TO RUN WEB, DNS, FTP, SMTP, IMAP, TELNET, SUN*, ETC ETC ON A BOX THAT IS ONLY FUNCTIONING AS AN INTERNET GATEWAY! And as far as *BSD users go. There is quite a knowledge base with them, BUT you have to beat it out of them. I find it very hard to talk with BSD users about security, they don't have that "share of ideas" the Linux community has. So common, secure up those boxen! :)
Is this Peter C. Norton the same guy on the cover of Norton Antivirus, Norton Utilities and other such things?
I know the guy on the cover of those is also Peter Norton. Just wondering if it was the same person.
We're only multi-million dollar companies. Not Billion Dollar.
What I find amusing is that, When Linux companies first started IPOing everybody was all like "This is just a trend, it will all go away, nothing to worry about, Linux stocks will fall hard soon"
And yet, you say these weak riding-the-wave Linux companies are pushing around Microsoft? Huh? I don't get it. Make up your mind. Are Linux companies big evil bad guys or are they just little stock gremlins?
RedHat has A LOT less resources to work with then microsoft, and if you say otherwise you are smoking some bad crack.
And redhat doesnt toss the blame around. RedHat doesnt go "Well this is the shadow suit peoples problem" they fix it.
And How many Linux post above your #26 have been "FUDDING" how many multi-million dollar Linux companies have FUDDED about this article? Please reply to this message with links.
As a Redhat user, I really wish redhat WAS more careful about these things. But I spread no MS FUD. Besides that, Redhat !=Linux. Its just 1 distribution of many.
All though, i shouldnt make excuses for redhat. They need to shape their ass up. As a stock holder, It'd probably be a good idea for me to put pressure on them to hire some security consultants to work with them durring the developement of their distributions.
I'm telling you. Either they're clones, or Rob
lives a double life!
Just picture Rob in a red hat turned backwards, and rapping about perl code.....
PS: I think LB sucks, but Slashdot is pretty cool.
For those of you who work for any large company that produces a product you will probably know that the marketing department lives in a totally different word then the Programmer/engineer/etc live in.
I somehow doubt this was a programmers idea. And I think now they're faced with the task of making it secure and pretty. Besides that, didn't Windows 2k allready go gold about a month ago?
Geeks with Guns, or hicks with computers?
Damage to the open sources community reputation. I'm sure RMS could sue for$50mil in GNU "image" damages. And im sure Redhat, Caldera, Corel, and other Open source supporting commerical distro companies could as well....
Oops, sorry, Penny Arcade = PvP.
Why is he so offended by them. School teachers are one thing, Tech support is another.
:).
Anybody who has any type of tech support/helpdesk job will LOVE his (Illiad) work. My friend thought UF sucked until he accually got a job at an ISP. He is addicted to it now
I Also question the Penny Arcade guy for going after User Friendly for this. I could understand a cartoonist mad at another cartoonist if he does something REALLY wrong and REALLY offensive, but this? It just seems petty to me.
I'm not an anti-religous zealot, but Christmas isn't *REALLY* about Jesus.
It was originally a pagan holiday. Jesus was born on January 6th (somewhere around there). The church said "well, if we want to convert these people, we best tie our holidays together. So, December 25th (The pagan winter fest thing) is the birth of christ (Christmas), and Easter (The pagan celebration of a new season, new life etc) was when jesus rose again. When did he arise? I don't know and lets not get into whether he did or not.
It can be anybody's holiday my friend, not just those who believe in Christ.
How about also getting rid of telnet and using Openssh (included with OpenBSD, no?). Mmm... 128bit encryption.
Well... here's how I look at it.
GPL = Good for the developer
BSD = Good for the 3rd party source
Who writes MOST of the software? The developer.
Who is going to fix the most bugs? The developer.
Who will in the end, probably write most of the drivers? The developer.
With linux expanding, and more commericial organizations being involved in it, some say the BSD license would be better then the GPL.... This may be true but Linux NEEDED the GPL to get where it was.
The GPL wasn't the only element, the posts above states what else it has.
Everybody knows the major linux people, what about BSD.... it's just "oh-whats-his-name".
Yes, FreeBSD is more stable, but Linux is something new, something fresh, something with new ideas and innovations. People like new. It comes down to that. Linux offered a new stable alternative to windows, it was easy to rally around, and you felt proud as a user and and/or as a developer of it.
Linux filled the gap between BSD and Microsoft. Not a traditional Unix (Linux isn't very unixy). This is exactly what needed to be done.
State Examples. Besides BSD init scripts.
I agree. Vinyl might get a bit crackly, but it sounds so much more natural, specially at high volumes. Sure, its not portable but it sounds way better then digital audio. Same thing goes with Open Reel tapes. Sure, they'll turn to mush in 30-40 years, but 1/4 15IPS stereo recording will probably sound better then a DAT.
Do it! Please! Email the authors and be like "hello, there are many unix users out there who would love to view your video. However, they are unable to because of the codec used. I am willing to convert it to a unix-friendly codec for you, so that you can spread its x-mas joy to more people... how about it?" or something along those lines.
It probably was more like anger. I don't like the way the american system works. Some people (100% of the time, americans) think its the greatest thing the world. Well, its not. We kinda screwed over Iraq, and we DO poke our noses where it doesn't belong. On top of that, we can't be honest about anything. I would have really prefered if bush said "We're going to fight iraq, and help kuwait, to protect oil interests". Sadam was evil, yes, but they painted the wrong picture of what we were really there for.
This Couldn't be more true. I try to tell people this and they tell me I'm crazy :).
I don't believe China is even on the internet are they? They wanted to keep out those unwanted ideas that float around the web. So how they get there paws on Linux? Perhaps this is a hoax?
Well, an ext2 to there OS convo tool would be handy, but oh well. I've got to figure out how to back up all of this data so i can make the convertion.... probably i should move all my data to 1 partition, convert the other, move the crap to that one, then delete and recreate the other one in the journaling FS... hmm
I picked up a copy yesterday :)
These things scare me. Every time a bell rings, somebody around the world loses some rights. The US looks at this and says "Oh my, thats terrible" When very well, it could happen to us. This is something even American Politicians would support (However, I don't see why). Its bound to fail no matter what however. You can't watch everybody. Big Brother won't be Big enough.
Hes' correct however. Maybe you should think before YOU post.
Accually, if its priorly applied more then once, they cannot patent it. Its been used on a HUGE scale. It would be like somebody patenting Doing E-Business, its just too widespread. Here's an idea, sue them. Say this will destroy your business method. The Patent it yourself and allow free use :)
This is sarcasm... I hope. I know i've heard this rumor other places as well. But I chose not to believe it for the following reasons: 1)My grandfather was in the navy, and was on one of the small ships that picked up the vessel at re-entry. 2)The Flag can be seen with a large enough telescope. 3)Russians were the first in space, however, they could not pull off a moon mission because there equipment needed a bit more ajustment. 4)Due to the position russia was in. If a Moon landing was successful, they would have made a BIG deal out of it into order to generate ph34r of their communist power. They didnt keep sputnik under cover.
Bah, but how are you going to control people that way?