How pathetic. What's funny is this dirt gets released on the US, and all these third world shit regimes who do far, far worse and would do even worse had they the power can gloat over evil imperialist America. You're a naive fool if you think foreign policy is ever going to be clean and that every nation in the world doesn't engage in similar or far worse shenanigans.
I see nothing in those documents that worries me a US citizen. Show me something about them breaking US law, torturing US citizens, etc... I'll care a lot.
All I see is foreign relations issues. Assange isn't a US citizen and he's making life more dangerous for US forces and for US diplomats, so he's an enemy of the US.
I generally despise low life scum neo-cons, but on some things they are occasionally right. This guy is an enemy and needs to be treated as such.
It is NOT an attack on our country, the only things revealed in those documents are things we did ourselves. Revealing guilt is not an attack.
What guilt? What betrayal of US trust by US representatives was disclosed in this release?
You're laughably naive if you think releasing confidential documents under the excuse of "well, _I_ didn't steal them!" is going to fly. They will handle Assange, you're an idiot if you think they're going to allow this shit to continue.
US journalists have freedom of the press. As many among your ilk are so fond of pointing out, Assange is not a US citizen and so is not required to follow our laws. Oh, but guess what? Nor is he protected by our laws.
He'll be dealt with. He should have stuck to whistle-blowing instead of catering to our need for gossip. This latest release didn't "expose" anything, it just made international relations more difficult.
Don't bother arguing with these morons. They think the Corporate Fat Cats are out to get them, and the US is some corporate run, conspiracy laden thriller novel fantasy land.
There was no journalism here, and these arguments about it helping democracy are just idiotic. These were diplomatic cables, they didn't show anything about the US government betraying the trust of US citizens. All they did was make the job of getting along with foreign nations more difficult.
How about Assange expose something important instead of just sensationalistic garbage that appeals to the gossip-mongering side of the human psyche? Now he'll never get the chance because he will be dealt with one way or another now.
Telling the truth about the government? Leaked diplomatic cables, what nefarious wrongdoing to their citizens on the part of the US government did these documents reveal? Who's going to be voted out because of them?
It's sensationalistic garbage, not Just Truth Exposing. If the documents revealed widespread conspiracies to test drugs unknowingly on US citizens, or a plan to rig votes, or something of that nature I'd be all for it.
This is no such thing. Governments need to keep secrets from each other, and even from their own citizens. To claim otherwise is naive idiocy of the highest order.
I'm on the fence about the Iraq leaks, as those did show some disturbing facts. This latest leak was pure sensationalism and I'm not sure I'll care when Assange ends up dead from a freak gasoline fight accident.
Literally the only reason I'm reading the comments is to see if people are as confused by that seemingly random string of words. I mean I know they form sentences, and I understand it involves something with waste (what the FUCK is e-waste?) and possibly the environment(?) but it's like one of those things you read about in scifi or fantasy books where as you read it it bewitches you into forgetting the last few words you just read.
Yeah, seems Microsoft Security Essentials should have done them in. Probably a lot of people just use them because they have for a few years out of habit.
if you're a man who wants to grow a nice set of titties and talk in a higher pitched voice. It's estrogenic, I don't know how it got a reputation among hippies as being some kind of health food.
Sure. So what? They get my 3.1% interest on my mortgage from me, whatever debt I've foolishly allowed myself to run up on credit cards, but that's about it.
As long as they don't commit fraud, I don't care what tricks they play or how stupid they think I am.
If they commit real fraud (not make-believe fraud imagined by people who like the phrase "fat cat bankers") then put them in prison.
The information is going to be shit. It'll be typical stuff you'd expect from bankers, but it's highly likely to indicate anything illegal. He's a hypester, and I don't care if banks are working out legal schemes to bilk idiots from their money.
But, but, but... we hate the UltraRich Megacorps! And Fat Cats! And Micro$haft! And all other corporations, who despite being comprised of people just like us we consider in the aggregate to be the root of all evil! And Assange is a hero, I mean information wants to be free! I mean, if he didn't release it someone else did! Oh, and we hate America! Or we're ashamed of it! And... Dubya!
I believe I've summarized any probably reply, so you douches can skip your paranoid delusional posts about how the US govt (save the Hero Community Organizer, Obama) and "fat cat" corporations are out to get you.
I'll also summarize the upcoming bank leaks for you - bankers discussed sleazy but largely legal ways to make money off the poor working class. Shock! What a landmine he's unleashed!
Agreed that in most modern cases war actually benefits neither side - however as you say that assumes rational leadership. One can debate the rationality of US or Chinese leaders, but I'd put the odds of them starting a war at very slightly above 0.
Leadership aside, in the case of N. Korea once they hit rock bottom and can't feed their people due to military spending, they may feel little choice but to start a war. The "nothing to lose" war.
Similar scenarios could ensue in the middle east if fundamentalists manage to seize power in some States.
And getting a jack of all trades (5.56 + 20mm weak grenade) master of none or something designed properly for the job (50% stronger grenade). And where do you think that "extra" money goes? The US should only buy US weapons.
With more firepower. The problem with the K11 (and early XM-29) was the 20mm round didn't have enough firepower. The xm-25 has a 25mm round which is 50% more powerful than the 20mm.
What would either side gain? An all out war between the US and china would for all intents and purposes destroy the world. I don't mean end all life or anything, I just mean everything about the way we currently live would change for the drastically worse. Who gains from that? Certainly not China, and certainly not the US.
It's little pissants like Iran and N. Korea who gain from conflict, not economic powerhouses with all upside like China, or declining economic powerhouses like the US.
Yeah, that's totally it. It's a pride issue! We should totally get some flowers and put them in our rifles, and and all military spending, it's just small penis compensation that the US maintains a strong military, amirite?
Idiots on both sides of this issue make me fucking sick. Sure, we can and should cut our military spending but we still need to maintain the world's strongest fighting force if we want to maintain stability.
What kind of moron thinks we should 100% eliminate our military spending? I'd go for a 25% cut, myself, but the neo-cons and their ilk will never allow it.
We will never solve our budget problems because there are too many sacred cows. Military spending, medicaid, medicare, welfare, etc...
If we had sane leaders and were willing to do what was needed across the board we could solve our budget problem in a decade.
The US and the UK made legal justifications. Nobody has been able to disprove or counter them. This "illegal war" claim mostly goes to show the idiocy of pretending war is anything but might makes right. If Iran invaded their neighbor, it's illegal because we can smash them. If the US or Russia does it, it's legal because nobody can do a fucking thing about it.
Second, nobody gives a fuck about international law and the war was authorized by US law. According to US law it was a legal action, as a US citizen I don't care what anyone else says.
I was strongly opposed to it as well but looking back I think the real goal was to create a battleground to draw many of our enemies to instead of having to fight them all over the world.
Because they were training there, dipshit, and receiving material support.
Similarly, what do you think will happen if some terrorist steals a nuclear weapon from Pakistan (or someday, Iran)? You think we won't respond with nuclear force on the country whose nuke was used, no matter who used it? Ridiculous.
For those of us inside the US, it's absolutely fucking hilarious to watch Europeans riot as their ridiculously unsustainable form of EuroSocialism starts to unravel.
We elected a nobody community organizer to the office of President based on some laughable feel-good nonsense. It only gets more hilarious from there on out!
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How pathetic. What's funny is this dirt gets released on the US, and all these third world shit regimes who do far, far worse and would do even worse had they the power can gloat over evil imperialist America. You're a naive fool if you think foreign policy is ever going to be clean and that every nation in the world doesn't engage in similar or far worse shenanigans.
I see nothing in those documents that worries me a US citizen. Show me something about them breaking US law, torturing US citizens, etc... I'll care a lot.
All I see is foreign relations issues. Assange isn't a US citizen and he's making life more dangerous for US forces and for US diplomats, so he's an enemy of the US.
I generally despise low life scum neo-cons, but on some things they are occasionally right. This guy is an enemy and needs to be treated as such.
It is NOT an attack on our country, the only things revealed in those documents are things we did ourselves. Revealing guilt is not an attack.
What guilt? What betrayal of US trust by US representatives was disclosed in this release?
You're laughably naive if you think releasing confidential documents under the excuse of "well, _I_ didn't steal them!" is going to fly. They will handle Assange, you're an idiot if you think they're going to allow this shit to continue.
US journalists have freedom of the press. As many among your ilk are so fond of pointing out, Assange is not a US citizen and so is not required to follow our laws. Oh, but guess what? Nor is he protected by our laws.
He'll be dealt with. He should have stuck to whistle-blowing instead of catering to our need for gossip. This latest release didn't "expose" anything, it just made international relations more difficult.
Don't bother arguing with these morons. They think the Corporate Fat Cats are out to get them, and the US is some corporate run, conspiracy laden thriller novel fantasy land.
There was no journalism here, and these arguments about it helping democracy are just idiotic. These were diplomatic cables, they didn't show anything about the US government betraying the trust of US citizens. All they did was make the job of getting along with foreign nations more difficult.
How about Assange expose something important instead of just sensationalistic garbage that appeals to the gossip-mongering side of the human psyche? Now he'll never get the chance because he will be dealt with one way or another now.
Telling the truth about the government? Leaked diplomatic cables, what nefarious wrongdoing to their citizens on the part of the US government did these documents reveal? Who's going to be voted out because of them?
It's sensationalistic garbage, not Just Truth Exposing. If the documents revealed widespread conspiracies to test drugs unknowingly on US citizens, or a plan to rig votes, or something of that nature I'd be all for it.
This is no such thing. Governments need to keep secrets from each other, and even from their own citizens. To claim otherwise is naive idiocy of the highest order.
I'm on the fence about the Iraq leaks, as those did show some disturbing facts. This latest leak was pure sensationalism and I'm not sure I'll care when Assange ends up dead from a freak gasoline fight accident.
That's because it's inscrutable.
Literally the only reason I'm reading the comments is to see if people are as confused by that seemingly random string of words. I mean I know they form sentences, and I understand it involves something with waste (what the FUCK is e-waste?) and possibly the environment(?) but it's like one of those things you read about in scifi or fantasy books where as you read it it bewitches you into forgetting the last few words you just read.
Yeah, seems Microsoft Security Essentials should have done them in. Probably a lot of people just use them because they have for a few years out of habit.
if you're a man who wants to grow a nice set of titties and talk in a higher pitched voice. It's estrogenic, I don't know how it got a reputation among hippies as being some kind of health food.
Sure. So what? They get my 3.1% interest on my mortgage from me, whatever debt I've foolishly allowed myself to run up on credit cards, but that's about it.
As long as they don't commit fraud, I don't care what tricks they play or how stupid they think I am.
If they commit real fraud (not make-believe fraud imagined by people who like the phrase "fat cat bankers") then put them in prison.
The information is going to be shit. It'll be typical stuff you'd expect from bankers, but it's highly likely to indicate anything illegal. He's a hypester, and I don't care if banks are working out legal schemes to bilk idiots from their money.
But, but, but... we hate the UltraRich Megacorps! And Fat Cats! And Micro$haft! And all other corporations, who despite being comprised of people just like us we consider in the aggregate to be the root of all evil! And Assange is a hero, I mean information wants to be free! I mean, if he didn't release it someone else did! Oh, and we hate America! Or we're ashamed of it! And... Dubya!
I believe I've summarized any probably reply, so you douches can skip your paranoid delusional posts about how the US govt (save the Hero Community Organizer, Obama) and "fat cat" corporations are out to get you.
I'll also summarize the upcoming bank leaks for you - bankers discussed sleazy but largely legal ways to make money off the poor working class. Shock! What a landmine he's unleashed!
On American soil? Yeah, not so many...
Agreed that in most modern cases war actually benefits neither side - however as you say that assumes rational leadership. One can debate the rationality of US or Chinese leaders, but I'd put the odds of them starting a war at very slightly above 0.
Leadership aside, in the case of N. Korea once they hit rock bottom and can't feed their people due to military spending, they may feel little choice but to start a war. The "nothing to lose" war.
Similar scenarios could ensue in the middle east if fundamentalists manage to seize power in some States.
Guh? There's no radio connection, the rifle programs the shell before it leaves, after that there's no communication.
And getting a jack of all trades (5.56 + 20mm weak grenade) master of none or something designed properly for the job (50% stronger grenade). And where do you think that "extra" money goes? The US should only buy US weapons.
With more firepower. The problem with the K11 (and early XM-29) was the 20mm round didn't have enough firepower. The xm-25 has a 25mm round which is 50% more powerful than the 20mm.
Huh? So...we should hobble ourselves to give them a chance?
I know that's not your point, but I don't see what is. They have had 0 chance against us on the battlefield for the last 50 years.
What would either side gain? An all out war between the US and china would for all intents and purposes destroy the world. I don't mean end all life or anything, I just mean everything about the way we currently live would change for the drastically worse. Who gains from that? Certainly not China, and certainly not the US.
It's little pissants like Iran and N. Korea who gain from conflict, not economic powerhouses with all upside like China, or declining economic powerhouses like the US.
Yeah, that's totally it. It's a pride issue! We should totally get some flowers and put them in our rifles, and and all military spending, it's just small penis compensation that the US maintains a strong military, amirite?
Idiots on both sides of this issue make me fucking sick. Sure, we can and should cut our military spending but we still need to maintain the world's strongest fighting force if we want to maintain stability.
What kind of moron thinks we should 100% eliminate our military spending? I'd go for a 25% cut, myself, but the neo-cons and their ilk will never allow it.
We will never solve our budget problems because there are too many sacred cows. Military spending, medicaid, medicare, welfare, etc...
If we had sane leaders and were willing to do what was needed across the board we could solve our budget problem in a decade.
The US and the UK made legal justifications. Nobody has been able to disprove or counter them. This "illegal war" claim mostly goes to show the idiocy of pretending war is anything but might makes right. If Iran invaded their neighbor, it's illegal because we can smash them. If the US or Russia does it, it's legal because nobody can do a fucking thing about it.
Second, nobody gives a fuck about international law and the war was authorized by US law. According to US law it was a legal action, as a US citizen I don't care what anyone else says.
I was strongly opposed to it as well but looking back I think the real goal was to create a battleground to draw many of our enemies to instead of having to fight them all over the world.
If you want to use Wiki links, how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
You're fucking joking, right?
It's totally different though, I guess. SAP got a trial.
Because they were training there, dipshit, and receiving material support.
Similarly, what do you think will happen if some terrorist steals a nuclear weapon from Pakistan (or someday, Iran)? You think we won't respond with nuclear force on the country whose nuke was used, no matter who used it? Ridiculous.
For those of us inside the US, it's absolutely fucking hilarious to watch Europeans riot as their ridiculously unsustainable form of EuroSocialism starts to unravel.
Riot, fuckers. Riot.
"Pretty funny".
We elected a nobody community organizer to the office of President based on some laughable feel-good nonsense. It only gets more hilarious from there on out!