I should elaborate; can we make a self enclosed space that can survive for years in the vacume of space? That can withstand a nuclear strike?
When you have constant thrust like Galactica, this is not hard. Otherwise you need to spin.
I get the sense that Galctica and company are not constantly on the move in normal space. They seem to usually stand relativly still until there's a need to jump.
Submarines already do most of what you're thinking. Space Stations like the ISS, MIR, and Skylab have done the rest.
Perhaps, the fleet is still capable of doing it better.
The FTL drives alone are way beyond anything we can make. Hell, how about the ability to create a mostly self-enclosed environment that can last for years? Artifical Gravity? Air Recycling? The list goes on and on.
We know the they had refineries, and had some short of ability to process biomatter into edible... pieces. It wouldn't shock me if they could manufacture some medication, after all these years they would've run out of drugs otherwise imo. Still, I certainly wouldn't turn my nose on metal processing, and a way to turn grass into food if necessary. Even w/o all that the ships could've still been used as temporary shelter.
They didn't just give up the equivilant of iPods, and DS Lites. They also lost vital things like medicine, food perservation/analysis. I still think going completly luddite was foolish.
Deciding to abandon technology guaranteed their decedents would forget any hard learned lessons the survivors gained. How can you teach a Earth 2.0 born child about the dangers of mistreating AIs (or other sentience in general) and other modern day ethics when he/she couldn't begin to comprehend such a concept, and is spending most of his time learning how to gather enough food and water anyways. Like the last scene stated, we're doing it all over again. Abandoning technology didn't save us; it just delayed what might not have been inevitable.
I would say though destroying the colonial fleet did make sense assuming one believed Lee was right. If tech moves too quickly for our good, then it would do no good for future (present?) day humans to gain access to the advanced remnants of Galactica and co.
Then again I recall the exact same thing happened in the 4th game. There are no good Europeans (except I believe one guy), they're all "The Other" as you so nicely put it.::shrugs:: Perhaps if this genre wasn't rife with setting where the whole world is against the player I might be more sympathetic, but the way I see it, you're accusing people of being insulting by bringing up historical precedent that in most likelihood the creators were ignorant about, and definitely didn't wish to associate themselves with. Itll be like someone accusing me of having an inferiority complex because I like parts of Japanese culture (Im Korean).
S. Korea is one of the most connected places with the world, with hundreds of Internet Cafes. Short of branding someone with a "do not use internet" sign it'll be almost impossible to deny someone internet access there.
Don't automatically assume the worst about a post. The kneejerk reaction doesn't make you look good.
Unfortunately the GP's post is filled with pronouns and doesn't describe WHAT "it" is. One could interpret things like you did (all gene screening is wrong). Then again we have years of Star Trek and it's ilk telling the geek crowd that any tinkering with life unless it's done to correct a medical problem is morally WRONG (ya all capitals... there was little grey for that topic). Since jmorris42 doesn't come off as someone religious I'd say the latter is more likely.
So, you covered musicians, and I imagine it could work for some of them. Now what about some of the others copyright deals with. What is the programmers equivalent to a concert? What about people who make movies, games, books? People that can only sell their finished products, not resell it in another fashion?
Um... no, have you looked at the link I provided? Infinite speed (warp 10 in current canon) was reached in the Voyager episode "Threshold," but no one went beyond it. Were you trying to say that based on the old measurment of warp speed, ships are capable of going into warp 13 and beyond? If so, then I agree.
You're not much of a nerd (or the disembodied voice of a nerd) if you weren't aware that sometime in the 24th century (of the current timeline) warp 10 was redefined as infinite speed. link : )
Hmm? Windows lets anything run eventually unless it's unsigned drivers. Right now we do have the DRMed media thing, but I don't see how that'll lead to all computers being locked down like iPhones, or game systems.
Then, the future is now, and so far no one seems to be complaining or being affected much. Which doesn't really help your stance that DRM could hurt/hinder people in a significant manner. Btw, what do you mean by "TCPA?" Google gives me "Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991," and I'm almost positive that's not what you mean.
We already have encryption that's unbreakable for all practical purposes. And arguing slippery slope without anything else won't convine me anymore than someone who tells me that any government with police is doomed to become a police state. Frankly I don't see how Vists's DRM, or any DRM will usher in a era of "TCPA-laden hardware."
Yes, the you could loose control came loud and clear. Course in order for me (or pretty much anyone) to that as a legitimate risk, I need an example that might actually hinder someone with a modicum of brains, and/or self-preservation.
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I should elaborate; can we make a self enclosed space that can survive for years in the vacume of space? That can withstand a nuclear strike?
When you have constant thrust like Galactica, this is not hard. Otherwise you need to spin.
I get the sense that Galctica and company are not constantly on the move in normal space. They seem to usually stand relativly still until there's a need to jump.
Submarines already do most of what you're thinking. Space Stations like the ISS, MIR, and Skylab have done the rest.
Perhaps, the fleet is still capable of doing it better.
Well I think China is the popular example of an evil totalitarian state becoming less so (slowly).
So, by that logic, every single nation with a police force is doomed to become a totalitarian state?
The FTL drives alone are way beyond anything we can make. Hell, how about the ability to create a mostly self-enclosed environment that can last for years? Artifical Gravity? Air Recycling? The list goes on and on.
We know the they had refineries, and had some short of ability to process biomatter into edible... pieces. It wouldn't shock me if they could manufacture some medication, after all these years they would've run out of drugs otherwise imo. Still, I certainly wouldn't turn my nose on metal processing, and a way to turn grass into food if necessary. Even w/o all that the ships could've still been used as temporary shelter.
They didn't just give up the equivilant of iPods, and DS Lites. They also lost vital things like medicine, food perservation/analysis. I still think going completly luddite was foolish.
Deciding to abandon technology guaranteed their decedents would forget any hard learned lessons the survivors gained. How can you teach a Earth 2.0 born child about the dangers of mistreating AIs (or other sentience in general) and other modern day ethics when he/she couldn't begin to comprehend such a concept, and is spending most of his time learning how to gather enough food and water anyways. Like the last scene stated, we're doing it all over again. Abandoning technology didn't save us; it just delayed what might not have been inevitable.
I would say though destroying the colonial fleet did make sense assuming one believed Lee was right. If tech moves too quickly for our good, then it would do no good for future (present?) day humans to gain access to the advanced remnants of Galactica and co.
Then again I recall the exact same thing happened in the 4th game. There are no good Europeans (except I believe one guy), they're all "The Other" as you so nicely put it. ::shrugs:: Perhaps if this genre wasn't rife with setting where the whole world is against the player I might be more sympathetic, but the way I see it, you're accusing people of being insulting by bringing up historical precedent that in most likelihood the creators were ignorant about, and definitely didn't wish to associate themselves with. Itll be like someone accusing me of having an inferiority complex because I like parts of Japanese culture (Im Korean).
The anon mentioned some possible holes in that stat, but out of curiosity do you recall where you heard of it?
Since we're talking about sharing massive files anonymously, I think the likes of Perfect Dark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(P2P) is more applicable.
S. Korea is one of the most connected places with the world, with hundreds of Internet Cafes. Short of branding someone with a "do not use internet" sign it'll be almost impossible to deny someone internet access there.
Actually there have been numerous cases of underage prostitutes, willing and otherwise, on Craigslist.
Do you have any data to back this claim?
Don't automatically assume the worst about a post. The kneejerk reaction doesn't make you look good.
Unfortunately the GP's post is filled with pronouns and doesn't describe WHAT "it" is. One could interpret things like you did (all gene screening is wrong). Then again we have years of Star Trek and it's ilk telling the geek crowd that any tinkering with life unless it's done to correct a medical problem is morally WRONG (ya all capitals... there was little grey for that topic). Since jmorris42 doesn't come off as someone religious I'd say the latter is more likely.
Hasn't happened to the Freenet folks, it won't happen to these relativly innocuous folka anytime soon.
I bitch that Nintendo's friend code policy is far too draconic, yet I see shit like this and I get powerful pangs of doubt...
So, you covered musicians, and I imagine it could work for some of them. Now what about some of the others copyright deals with. What is the programmers equivalent to a concert? What about people who make movies, games, books? People that can only sell their finished products, not resell it in another fashion?
Um... no, have you looked at the link I provided? Infinite speed (warp 10 in current canon) was reached in the Voyager episode "Threshold," but no one went beyond it. Were you trying to say that based on the old measurment of warp speed, ships are capable of going into warp 13 and beyond? If so, then I agree.
You're not much of a nerd (or the disembodied voice of a nerd) if you weren't aware that sometime in the 24th century (of the current timeline) warp 10 was redefined as infinite speed. link : )
So you either pirate games, and/or only play a very limited selection of PC games? Good times.
Why would someone put a revolutionary thing like Mars exploration in the hands of suicidal astronauts?
Y'know I'm all for fair treatment and equal rights, but won't it be better to simply tone down the MS fud instead of extending it to Linux? : )
Hmm? Windows lets anything run eventually unless it's unsigned drivers. Right now we do have the DRMed media thing, but I don't see how that'll lead to all computers being locked down like iPhones, or game systems.
Then, the future is now, and so far no one seems to be complaining or being affected much. Which doesn't really help your stance that DRM could hurt/hinder people in a significant manner. Btw, what do you mean by "TCPA?" Google gives me "Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991," and I'm almost positive that's not what you mean.
We already have encryption that's unbreakable for all practical purposes. And arguing slippery slope without anything else won't convine me anymore than someone who tells me that any government with police is doomed to become a police state. Frankly I don't see how Vists's DRM, or any DRM will usher in a era of "TCPA-laden hardware."
Yes, the you could loose control came loud and clear. Course in order for me (or pretty much anyone) to that as a legitimate risk, I need an example that might actually hinder someone with a modicum of brains, and/or self-preservation.