If what we know and don't know (or are being told) is anything to go by, the booms are really just a PR effort. BP knows how much oil is there. The US Govt. probably knows from sonar and our sub fleet. The only people out of the loop are us. BP is hoping that some miracle will occur and they can stop the well OR nature will co operate somehow. It is clear that BP did not learn the lessons of the Tylenol scare, which is own up to the problem, and fix it. BP is still working PR and cosmetics.
I would think that the US Navy has some really good sonar. I hope so, I've paid a lot of tax money. All I really know I read in Tom Clancy...but....
oil and water have quite different characteristics. I'd think some sonar pinging would tell you everything you need to know about the plume, the size of the plume, and the speed of the plume. I'd bet you could do this with older stuff, so you could ping away and not give any info to any others listening about the current state of the art.
I'd b quite surprised if the USN does not have good information on this. Why are we still getting BP's best corporate spin is another issue. While I don't expect to see sonar traces uploaded to YouTube, where's the official word NOT from Better Pollution ?
So, if we all get our info from BP, at least all the public info....
The US has black assets that go down that far, and can work at that depth. A spy sub isn't set up to fix oil leaks, but can't we at least use it to get some NON BP info ? I doubt it would give away strategic info as commercial devices are already there.
At least someone would have an idea of the real output....which I doubt we are getting from Bonus Pollution.
I've a ten year old that knows that a 'free video game' from a website is probably a Trojan. He's quite a history buff so this kind of attack made good sense to him.
For the average websurfer, word processor and spreadsheet person, the time not wasted in driver conflicts and other run of the mill stupidities of Windows is more than covered by the slightly higher price of Apple. Apple is not perfect, but I don't have to run a bunch of utilities like CrapCleaner and Antispyware stuff to keep it going. New program installs don't automatically put themselves into the startup folder. etc. etc.. etc....
Time is money, and the time you spend getting a machine back to "normal" is time you don't get back. I've lost days of my life with routers and keeping cheap-ass PC s running. A two year old Apple with a family banging away at it has had no significant issues. An XP box in the same situation was a hobby to keep "up". It was a hobby I didn't need.
Back in the day, we'd hook up five or so cassette tape player in a row when someone got a fresh album, and make five tapes. We had lots of posters in the Student Union (we could even get beer there, that's how old I am) which said "home taping kills music". When CD's came out for twice the price of the vinyl, we saw how true that was. NOT.
I've advised my kids to not upload, and share only with those they know in the real world. So far, I now have more music than I could listen to in a a normal lifespan, with no p2p or dodgy websites.
Students hiding data from the RIAA (actually their terrified school ISP)-imagine that ! I have no fear for the new generation.
I have found that car names, especially fictional ones, like the BMW775xi? are adequate for this sort of thing, and sometimes you can even remember them.
I don't know about "grownups" in the corporate world, never having worked there, but my 10 year old son, net savvy, fully understands the concept that you don't download that really wanted video game or that help file without first evaluating the source, or if questionable, asking dad.
Software from an unknown source is like asking criminals into your home because they have doughnuts for you.
In 1995, I opened a Halloween card from a known friend. It had an.exe. It began to erase all files beginning with the last modified. It worked backwards and erased 3 months of work before I yanked the plug out of the wall.
Since that was 15 years ago, and arguably on a very different internet, how can this still be an issue. (NO, I don't work in IT)
there are no legal CB repeaters. Most folks who want more from CB get an amp and some go for frequencies outside the CB range. Here in NY, below channel 1 is illegal trucker chats, and spanish. Above 40, there are folks using Sideband transmission and shooting skip.
It's all really toy compared to even basic ham equipment. Don't get me started on the crappy signals they send out, either.....
If you have a satellite to hit, and if that satellite has an active downlink station, and if that downlink station has access to the phone system, and if that phone system is still connected to the person you are trying to reach.
I think we will all be very surprised the day someone, somewhere, knocks out a comm or TV satellite.....
Most hams are "prepared" but not nutjob survivalists. I have a 12v source for my ham rigs. When the power goes out due to a storm, I have radio and communication.
The internet (and cell network) is tissue paper. It requires a massive infrastructure to work, electric power, etc. If you get any sort of real stress on the system, such as a war taking out a few satellites, or just plain old severe weather, or maybe, oh, an earthquake, you see how a wire, radio and 12 volts are very important.
Prior to the internet, ham was the only way to talk far away without a very expensive toll call. While that unique selling point has gone with the advent of listservs, forums and blogs, it does not mean that the usefulness of ham is gone. I just had a great impromptu chat with a guy in Northern Ireland.
There's a percentage of A-holes in any hobby. These guys think Ham died when the morse requirements were dropped. Fact is they are unhappy with IC's and any part they can't scrounge from a dead TV. Speaking of which, dead TV's are no longer useful for radio parts. Ignore them. They don't run the hobby, even though they think they do.
I believe the internet equivalent would be "troll" and "grammar nazi". If you have time to waste, go to any ham website and type in CB radio. They are still ranting like it is 1976, never mind that no one uses CB anymore except truckers.
Ham radio has gotten me into running Rallies. Turns out that International Rally New York needs hams to help stage the event. Fellow Rallyists will understand that Car 0 is a great ride, and ham radio got me there.
Talk to a lot of folks who have interesting jobs and lives in the morning on 2 meters (VHF like your local PD and Fire).
Without even trying hard, have worked most of Europe and much of South America. This with a modest 100 watt HF radio and a wire in the back yard. No huge amps, no tower, no beam.
Makes Wifi real easy....just really, really short waves. Saw someone in Brooklyn today, who had a home made Yagi antenna. Was impressed till I figured out he was just using it to steal bandwidth from a nearby building.
Unlike the digital world, ham radio does not have DRM, a DMCA, or any of the other crap that interferes with a hobbyist/hacker.
OK, some of the individual hams are funny in a pathetic sort of way, but that's no different than a lot of the guys still stuck in mom's basement.
Ham radio gives me the ability to run a scanner in my car, have full communications on VHF with a huge network of repeaters, and an understanding of RF that translates into any other aspect of TV, radio, wifi, etc.
I'm sure you all have a dual band, spread spectrum, frequency hopping full duplex radio...er, cell phone.
Yeah, but we can't pay a carbon tax to mother earth. What happens is we will pay it to government, who will piss it away along with all the other money sent that way. It will go to the usual stuff, not for "environmental" uses or reasons.
Yes, you are paying to breathe.
The IIHS test used a car with known issues, an "x frame" car. Typical for them, they picked a worse case scenario to "prove" their opinion, er, point.
Still, who can forget junkyards full of cars with steering wheels forced into the back seat ? I'd rather wreck my unit body modern car than a 65 chevelle in all modes.
Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust, but lots of food and no consideration as to "sensitive electronics"
Because up to the advent of the iPod car makers wanted to lock you into expensive in car players. Once the entire world gave up "discs" they had to come around.
I'm just amazed how much they can charge for a 1/8 stereo jack and some wire. Makes Monster Cable look like the dollar store.
I have a law office which is purely local. I have no "international" interests. I get a lot of these "offers". Sometimes, they even spell all the words correctly. It always seems to be from Hong Kong.
mod parent and reply up....yes, yes we are that stupid. Watch the next elections where the Dems lose big...after tossing out 8 years of Repubs, and having done nothing with a President and majority in both houses, we go right back to the Repubs.
I WANT A THIRD OR FOURTH CHOICE !!!!!!!!!
Wasn't that how the Russians picked up British Agents ? When the cell was turned on, the system told them the last location the cell was on...which was where MI6 was located. With this tag the Russians were able to with some accuracy figure out possible agents.
The cure turned out to be to use the phone in the Airport prior to flying, which removed the useful "last known location".
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If what we know and don't know (or are being told) is anything to go by, the booms are really just a PR effort. BP knows how much oil is there. The US Govt. probably knows from sonar and our sub fleet. The only people out of the loop are us. BP is hoping that some miracle will occur and they can stop the well OR nature will co operate somehow. It is clear that BP did not learn the lessons of the Tylenol scare, which is own up to the problem, and fix it. BP is still working PR and cosmetics.
top kill ? going down in a theater ? and was that legitimate theater or a movie theater ?
I would think that the US Navy has some really good sonar. I hope so, I've paid a lot of tax money. All I really know I read in Tom Clancy...but.... oil and water have quite different characteristics. I'd think some sonar pinging would tell you everything you need to know about the plume, the size of the plume, and the speed of the plume. I'd bet you could do this with older stuff, so you could ping away and not give any info to any others listening about the current state of the art. I'd b quite surprised if the USN does not have good information on this. Why are we still getting BP's best corporate spin is another issue. While I don't expect to see sonar traces uploaded to YouTube, where's the official word NOT from Better Pollution ?
So, if we all get our info from BP, at least all the public info.... The US has black assets that go down that far, and can work at that depth. A spy sub isn't set up to fix oil leaks, but can't we at least use it to get some NON BP info ? I doubt it would give away strategic info as commercial devices are already there. At least someone would have an idea of the real output....which I doubt we are getting from Bonus Pollution.
Which works up until the point the self-destruct charge in the captured satellite goes off while the X-37 has it in the hold. DoH !
I've a ten year old that knows that a 'free video game' from a website is probably a Trojan. He's quite a history buff so this kind of attack made good sense to him.
For the average websurfer, word processor and spreadsheet person, the time not wasted in driver conflicts and other run of the mill stupidities of Windows is more than covered by the slightly higher price of Apple. Apple is not perfect, but I don't have to run a bunch of utilities like CrapCleaner and Antispyware stuff to keep it going. New program installs don't automatically put themselves into the startup folder. etc. etc.. etc.... Time is money, and the time you spend getting a machine back to "normal" is time you don't get back. I've lost days of my life with routers and keeping cheap-ass PC s running. A two year old Apple with a family banging away at it has had no significant issues. An XP box in the same situation was a hobby to keep "up". It was a hobby I didn't need.
Back in the day, we'd hook up five or so cassette tape player in a row when someone got a fresh album, and make five tapes. We had lots of posters in the Student Union (we could even get beer there, that's how old I am) which said "home taping kills music". When CD's came out for twice the price of the vinyl, we saw how true that was. NOT. I've advised my kids to not upload, and share only with those they know in the real world. So far, I now have more music than I could listen to in a a normal lifespan, with no p2p or dodgy websites. Students hiding data from the RIAA (actually their terrified school ISP)-imagine that ! I have no fear for the new generation.
I have found that car names, especially fictional ones, like the BMW775xi? are adequate for this sort of thing, and sometimes you can even remember them.
I don't know about "grownups" in the corporate world, never having worked there, but my 10 year old son, net savvy, fully understands the concept that you don't download that really wanted video game or that help file without first evaluating the source, or if questionable, asking dad. Software from an unknown source is like asking criminals into your home because they have doughnuts for you. In 1995, I opened a Halloween card from a known friend. It had an .exe. It began to erase all files beginning with the last modified. It worked backwards and erased 3 months of work before I yanked the plug out of the wall.
Since that was 15 years ago, and arguably on a very different internet, how can this still be an issue. (NO, I don't work in IT)
If it cost them money they would not do it.
there are no legal CB repeaters. Most folks who want more from CB get an amp and some go for frequencies outside the CB range. Here in NY, below channel 1 is illegal trucker chats, and spanish. Above 40, there are folks using Sideband transmission and shooting skip. It's all really toy compared to even basic ham equipment. Don't get me started on the crappy signals they send out, either.....
If you have a satellite to hit, and if that satellite has an active downlink station, and if that downlink station has access to the phone system, and if that phone system is still connected to the person you are trying to reach. I think we will all be very surprised the day someone, somewhere, knocks out a comm or TV satellite.....
Most hams are "prepared" but not nutjob survivalists. I have a 12v source for my ham rigs. When the power goes out due to a storm, I have radio and communication. The internet (and cell network) is tissue paper. It requires a massive infrastructure to work, electric power, etc. If you get any sort of real stress on the system, such as a war taking out a few satellites, or just plain old severe weather, or maybe, oh, an earthquake, you see how a wire, radio and 12 volts are very important. Prior to the internet, ham was the only way to talk far away without a very expensive toll call. While that unique selling point has gone with the advent of listservs, forums and blogs, it does not mean that the usefulness of ham is gone. I just had a great impromptu chat with a guy in Northern Ireland.
There's a percentage of A-holes in any hobby. These guys think Ham died when the morse requirements were dropped. Fact is they are unhappy with IC's and any part they can't scrounge from a dead TV. Speaking of which, dead TV's are no longer useful for radio parts. Ignore them. They don't run the hobby, even though they think they do. I believe the internet equivalent would be "troll" and "grammar nazi". If you have time to waste, go to any ham website and type in CB radio. They are still ranting like it is 1976, never mind that no one uses CB anymore except truckers.
Ham radio has gotten me into running Rallies. Turns out that International Rally New York needs hams to help stage the event. Fellow Rallyists will understand that Car 0 is a great ride, and ham radio got me there. Talk to a lot of folks who have interesting jobs and lives in the morning on 2 meters (VHF like your local PD and Fire). Without even trying hard, have worked most of Europe and much of South America. This with a modest 100 watt HF radio and a wire in the back yard. No huge amps, no tower, no beam. Makes Wifi real easy....just really, really short waves. Saw someone in Brooklyn today, who had a home made Yagi antenna. Was impressed till I figured out he was just using it to steal bandwidth from a nearby building. Unlike the digital world, ham radio does not have DRM, a DMCA, or any of the other crap that interferes with a hobbyist/hacker. OK, some of the individual hams are funny in a pathetic sort of way, but that's no different than a lot of the guys still stuck in mom's basement. Ham radio gives me the ability to run a scanner in my car, have full communications on VHF with a huge network of repeaters, and an understanding of RF that translates into any other aspect of TV, radio, wifi, etc. I'm sure you all have a dual band, spread spectrum, frequency hopping full duplex radio...er, cell phone.
Yeah, but we can't pay a carbon tax to mother earth. What happens is we will pay it to government, who will piss it away along with all the other money sent that way. It will go to the usual stuff, not for "environmental" uses or reasons. Yes, you are paying to breathe.
The IIHS test used a car with known issues, an "x frame" car. Typical for them, they picked a worse case scenario to "prove" their opinion, er, point. Still, who can forget junkyards full of cars with steering wheels forced into the back seat ? I'd rather wreck my unit body modern car than a 65 chevelle in all modes.
Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust, but lots of food and no consideration as to "sensitive electronics"
Because up to the advent of the iPod car makers wanted to lock you into expensive in car players. Once the entire world gave up "discs" they had to come around. I'm just amazed how much they can charge for a 1/8 stereo jack and some wire. Makes Monster Cable look like the dollar store.
I have a law office which is purely local. I have no "international" interests. I get a lot of these "offers". Sometimes, they even spell all the words correctly. It always seems to be from Hong Kong.
yup, the "Daily Show" has no room because there are 342 episodes of "Spongebob".
mod parent and reply up....yes, yes we are that stupid. Watch the next elections where the Dems lose big...after tossing out 8 years of Repubs, and having done nothing with a President and majority in both houses, we go right back to the Repubs. I WANT A THIRD OR FOURTH CHOICE !!!!!!!!!
Wasn't that how the Russians picked up British Agents ? When the cell was turned on, the system told them the last location the cell was on...which was where MI6 was located. With this tag the Russians were able to with some accuracy figure out possible agents. The cure turned out to be to use the phone in the Airport prior to flying, which removed the useful "last known location".
Well yes, but for the names who got up fronts, the actors will starve. Read about the Studios vs. the unions at some point.