Actually the game has as many WOWtards as you can handle.
An example of this is a group I dealed with who grief players. Specificly on the leader's Playerinfo, he says, "Recruiting players who can grief with the best of them".
Plenty of smacktards in the game, however no way to control them. That is the only reason why Eve has issues, as far as I can tell. And no, the average non-rich player cannot get help to get rid of these griefers, as companies that do take care of that often want somewhere in the double to triple digit millions to take care of it.
Heres the problem - the players. Theres a significant chunk of Subscriptions that are from the Min-Maxing population. They will find any way possible to become the best in the game, and not in a good way.
For people looking to say "Oh so I shouldnt try to be good at something" - take a look at your methods. ARe you just finding the best combination, and doing it in such a way that would ruin the game for others? Or are you actually working for those stats...
Theres actually a successful paytoplay mud called Gemstone III that has permadeath.
It basicly works like this - You have to make a Gem or Cash donation to your patron god to gain favors/contracts. The cost is based off of your level, and the number of contracts you have - the more you have, the more expensive.... If you dont have one of those contracts when you die, Booom.
So heres the final word as to why I dont like this game:
The art style.
Its not about weither or not its gritty. Its about the artist copying the bad dnd 3rd ed art. I can quote atleast one friend saying that the Elves look like they all have downs Syndrome. I know, probably spelt that wrong, but you get the picture. The art is just plain Ugly overall, and stickfigury.
The only plus I've seen to it, is that it avoids the "Busty Female with no pants" syndrome. If the character = female, than they're armored to the gills just the same as the male counterparts.
Trust me, if it followed 3.5 rules to a letter, the world would be made up of squares, And even though tehre would be open space to the side of a mob, you wouldnt be able to pass because his square of space is too big.
Honostly they should of done a Hackmaster online game. Much better game system, plus you can make a hysterical yet serious game out of it, with plenty of fun things to build content around.
That, and Henchmen are a built in part of the game, and you have to make sure they stay happy, less you have a revolt:p
"There is a significant lack of content. While Turbine expects characters to repeat dungeons to gain XP and gear, it almost borders on the ridiculous. It is so bad that same folks deliberately don't level up, so they can gain XP at their last trained level, instead of the level they could be. Instead of losing out on groups due to their level, they just make sure they form their own groups. This lack of content means that they will have to have some expansions ready to go within 3 months, to keep customers happy. Not a healthy sign."
Actually I believe what has happened with this, is that theres Stunted content for the Beta. From what I understand, when the game opens up, there will even be such things as Prestige classes in the game.
"D&D has always depended on strong story telling for its atmosphere"
This will seem like a troll, but its based off 3rd ed. If you check the Dungeon Masters Manual for that monstrosity, it says specificly "The Primary job of the DM is to make sure combat runs smoothely" - not to create an awesome adventure. There are thousands of adventeres I have seen where combat is what happens when you screw up.
"DDO also seems to want to get rid of the level grind. Levels are the bane of MMORPG games. Why? How much trouble do you have in forming a team for Capture the Flag in quake? Oh none? Just join and your in a group? Might this because there is no level in quake and anyone can group with anyone else?"
Warning: theres an inflamatory tone to this - I do not have any ill will to the parent or his words, this is just part of the game taht gets my goat.
Wait, did I miss something? Let me check...Nope, Theres still 10 times the amount of experience to level in DDO than in the game its based off of.
For those who dont keep track, in 3rd ed, to get from lvl 1 to 2, you need 1000 exp. In this wonderful Masterpiece of Group-required Treadmilling, its 10,000.
They TRY to balance this out by adding action points, but as you'll find out you can easily lose action points by mistake, or by trying to get something better out of the deal. Action points are spent on little things like a special racial or skill bonus.
and to top this up more, if you play a straight fighter, you have no problems soloing stuff. If you play a creative class, like a bard or a wizard, you get throught the first few quests by the skin of your teeth, than out of nowhere you become unable to even finish a quest alone.
sorry to the parent, I'm not trying to flame, this was just a big part of the game that got my goat.
I see this, "We hate the purchasers", thing too much.
I would just like to comment on ingame economies and inflation. There is a game called "Ragnarok Online" where such activies are illegal all the same. Buying and Selling of gear and cash for Real World Money doesnt happen so often. In fact I dont even think it happens at all, although I could be wrong. Accounts for this game show up on Ebay, but they usually end up banned in a vigilant fashion.
the Economy there is terrible. Things that normally cost 10k at the beginning of the game, now cost 100k, or up to 500k. I'm noticing this exact same thing on the game servers.
My conclusion? After switching between 5 servers and finding a stack of wool for one gold, while a stack of silk is 50 silver, its the blame game again. It's not the purchasing of gold that jacks up the economies. Its the fact that We're all greedy SOB's that does it.
I hate to be a naysayer, but this is bad news. I dont care about the cap being raised or anything either. What I have a problem with is the Blood elves. And not because its because horde doesnt need a beautiful race either, but that argument does have some weight as well. Quiet simply, it does not make since for the blood elves to be anti alliance. The horde has always made bloody raids against Qualthalas, and I believe they held it during the second game. elves and orcs have ALWAYS been enemies! Ontop of this there are bloodelves in Stormwind and in the other human keep on Kalimdor. Most importantly, ALLIANCE HAS ACCESS TO WARLOCKS! Why is it a problem that elves turned to summoning demons when humans do it every day? Also, [spoiler] The elves got wooped by the end of the WC3 expansion. THere shouldnt be enough of them to constitute a species at the moment. ALSO I dont think Qualthalas was ever freed from Scourge control! (of course they could just wave the magic wand to fix that) . I know Im rambling here, but it would make more sense to add in Ogres, Half ogres, Goblins, or Pandarians.
I can only cringe at what the Allaince race is going to be. The other race that shared Drainor with the orcs? Ogres? Goblins? Gnolls? Merlocks?
Its quiet simple exactly what we need to do here. Anyone who has EVer spoken with this person, and tried to have a rational conversation with him, should all gather up their material into a packet that can be sent to your friendly neighborhood congressmen, with the simple message that Not only is this guy off his rocker, but he's more violent than the games he's out to squash. (Calling the 14-year old names? Gee isnt he trying to stop a game called Bully?)
I wonder how much the rights to all of origin's games are, since EA doesnt seem to be trying to profit off of them - Aside from UO, whose corpse they are using to ride down the mountain with.
That was a great game.
Except for one big problem.. Of course if you are higher level, you should have better gear, but what you basicly ran into was a case where, the higher level the ship, the higher the stats. HEAVY fighters were outrunning Light fighters and scout ships.
Sure, its a higher level ship, but in Standard games with space battles, the Heavier the ship(armor, armanent, etc) , the Slower it went.
So with the unbalancing level ladder, you had many problems with griefing.
Its a question of ergonomics. Lets start with how controllors are normally held. Note this is based off of most Standard controls, and not ones with silly design principles.
The Left hand tends to support the weight, thumb on the stick or crosspad. The right hand usually has access to all the controls(they didnt change that, notice) And they are all arrange so that the thumb can ergonomically reach each of them - aside from shoulder buttons, which the index finger is usually setup to hit.
Now lets imagine you were holding the right half(the one with all the buttons, incase someone wants to ask "But what if you are holding it in the left hand?" - the only benefit that Ill give this control design.) - Its like holding a remote control for your tv. All the buttons lined up up and down. Imagine in face paced games trying to reach all those buttons... Your thumb is going to get cramped.
Just an observation about the last 15 years of controls....
If you want to play a game thats very close, play Space Empires IV - I played that first, than recently played Moo 1 and 2 - Its really close, borrowing a lot of the same concepts, and plays really nicely.
Probably agreements of non-competition that last 40 years. Im sure I named it wrong, so heres the description. A Contract saying you will not work for another company to produce video games.
IE you cant quit and go to blizzard, because its in violation of that contract.
What do you expect from these people. They screwed up UO, they melt any game series they touch into useless fluids... Ok, instead of a tyraid of info, Ill just post the best example to date.
They Had a good game once...it was a MMO Battletech game, with money and levels and cools mechs. It was going awesome, feedback was high, the game didnt suck... But then they shut it down - didnt even let people try out the cool mechs before they were gone forever.
Why? Because they thought Majestic would sell better. Anyone remember Majestic? The mystery game where people would call you up to give you clues? I think it was a month later, they had taken Majestic offline and into CD format, and then it was promptly Bargain bin material.
And their business practices havnt changed ever since.
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Actually the game has as many WOWtards as you can handle. An example of this is a group I dealed with who grief players. Specificly on the leader's Playerinfo, he says, "Recruiting players who can grief with the best of them". Plenty of smacktards in the game, however no way to control them. That is the only reason why Eve has issues, as far as I can tell. And no, the average non-rich player cannot get help to get rid of these griefers, as companies that do take care of that often want somewhere in the double to triple digit millions to take care of it.
Report's of the Revolution's controller are prematurely given.
too bad this is about FPS and not RPG.
Heres the problem - the players. Theres a significant chunk of Subscriptions that are from the Min-Maxing population. They will find any way possible to become the best in the game, and not in a good way. For people looking to say "Oh so I shouldnt try to be good at something" - take a look at your methods. ARe you just finding the best combination, and doing it in such a way that would ruin the game for others? Or are you actually working for those stats...
Theres actually a successful paytoplay mud called Gemstone III that has permadeath. It basicly works like this - You have to make a Gem or Cash donation to your patron god to gain favors/contracts. The cost is based off of your level, and the number of contracts you have - the more you have, the more expensive.... If you dont have one of those contracts when you die, Booom.
"- Woohoo - I'm a wizard, I get 2 spells and then I might as well logoff for the day? How does that work in a realtime world?"
They actually use spellpoints for this one instead of the standard casting. I know, its pointless, but still.
So heres the final word as to why I dont like this game:
The art style.
Its not about weither or not its gritty. Its about the artist copying the bad dnd 3rd ed art. I can quote atleast one friend saying that the Elves look like they all have downs Syndrome. I know, probably spelt that wrong, but you get the picture. The art is just plain Ugly overall, and stickfigury.
The only plus I've seen to it, is that it avoids the "Busty Female with no pants" syndrome. If the character = female, than they're armored to the gills just the same as the male counterparts.
Its more like Drizzizizizizizizizzt 32847238472389472389472398.
"Oh my, what a letdown. Wake me up when there is a persistent world that obeys D&D (or better: Hackmaster) rules."
:p
Amen! I've got my hack frenzy and my hacklust
Trust me, if it followed 3.5 rules to a letter, the world would be made up of squares, And even though tehre would be open space to the side of a mob, you wouldnt be able to pass because his square of space is too big.
Honostly they should of done a Hackmaster online game. Much better game system, plus you can make a hysterical yet serious game out of it, with plenty of fun things to build content around.
:p
That, and Henchmen are a built in part of the game, and you have to make sure they stay happy, less you have a revolt
"There is a significant lack of content. While Turbine expects characters to repeat dungeons to gain XP and gear, it almost borders on the ridiculous. It is so bad that same folks deliberately don't level up, so they can gain XP at their last trained level, instead of the level they could be. Instead of losing out on groups due to their level, they just make sure they form their own groups. This lack of content means that they will have to have some expansions ready to go within 3 months, to keep customers happy. Not a healthy sign."
Actually I believe what has happened with this, is that theres Stunted content for the Beta. From what I understand, when the game opens up, there will even be such things as Prestige classes in the game.
"D&D has always depended on strong story telling for its atmosphere"
This will seem like a troll, but its based off 3rd ed. If you check the Dungeon Masters Manual for that monstrosity, it says specificly "The Primary job of the DM is to make sure combat runs smoothely" - not to create an awesome adventure. There are thousands of adventeres I have seen where combat is what happens when you screw up.
"DDO also seems to want to get rid of the level grind. Levels are the bane of MMORPG games. Why? How much trouble do you have in forming a team for Capture the Flag in quake? Oh none? Just join and your in a group? Might this because there is no level in quake and anyone can group with anyone else?" Warning: theres an inflamatory tone to this - I do not have any ill will to the parent or his words, this is just part of the game taht gets my goat. Wait, did I miss something? Let me check...Nope, Theres still 10 times the amount of experience to level in DDO than in the game its based off of. For those who dont keep track, in 3rd ed, to get from lvl 1 to 2, you need 1000 exp. In this wonderful Masterpiece of Group-required Treadmilling, its 10,000. They TRY to balance this out by adding action points, but as you'll find out you can easily lose action points by mistake, or by trying to get something better out of the deal. Action points are spent on little things like a special racial or skill bonus. and to top this up more, if you play a straight fighter, you have no problems soloing stuff. If you play a creative class, like a bard or a wizard, you get throught the first few quests by the skin of your teeth, than out of nowhere you become unable to even finish a quest alone. sorry to the parent, I'm not trying to flame, this was just a big part of the game that got my goat.
I see this, "We hate the purchasers", thing too much.
I would just like to comment on ingame economies and inflation. There is a game called "Ragnarok Online" where such activies are illegal all the same. Buying and Selling of gear and cash for Real World Money doesnt happen so often. In fact I dont even think it happens at all, although I could be wrong. Accounts for this game show up on Ebay, but they usually end up banned in a vigilant fashion.
the Economy there is terrible. Things that normally cost 10k at the beginning of the game, now cost 100k, or up to 500k. I'm noticing this exact same thing on the game servers.
My conclusion? After switching between 5 servers and finding a stack of wool for one gold, while a stack of silk is 50 silver, its the blame game again. It's not the purchasing of gold that jacks up the economies. Its the fact that We're all greedy SOB's that does it.
What is even more ironic in this situation, is that said judge supports ID.
I hate to be a naysayer, but this is bad news. I dont care about the cap being raised or anything either. What I have a problem with is the Blood elves. And not because its because horde doesnt need a beautiful race either, but that argument does have some weight as well. Quiet simply, it does not make since for the blood elves to be anti alliance. The horde has always made bloody raids against Qualthalas, and I believe they held it during the second game. elves and orcs have ALWAYS been enemies! Ontop of this there are bloodelves in Stormwind and in the other human keep on Kalimdor. Most importantly, ALLIANCE HAS ACCESS TO WARLOCKS! Why is it a problem that elves turned to summoning demons when humans do it every day? Also, [spoiler] The elves got wooped by the end of the WC3 expansion. THere shouldnt be enough of them to constitute a species at the moment. ALSO I dont think Qualthalas was ever freed from Scourge control! (of course they could just wave the magic wand to fix that) . I know Im rambling here, but it would make more sense to add in Ogres, Half ogres, Goblins, or Pandarians. I can only cringe at what the Allaince race is going to be. The other race that shared Drainor with the orcs? Ogres? Goblins? Gnolls? Merlocks?
Its quiet simple exactly what we need to do here.
Anyone who has EVer spoken with this person, and tried to have a rational conversation with him, should all gather up their material into a packet that can be sent to your friendly neighborhood congressmen, with the simple message that Not only is this guy off his rocker, but he's more violent than the games he's out to squash. (Calling the 14-year old names? Gee isnt he trying to stop a game called Bully?)
I wonder how much the rights to all of origin's games are, since EA doesnt seem to be trying to profit off of them - Aside from UO, whose corpse they are using to ride down the mountain with.
That was a great game. Except for one big problem.. Of course if you are higher level, you should have better gear, but what you basicly ran into was a case where, the higher level the ship, the higher the stats. HEAVY fighters were outrunning Light fighters and scout ships. Sure, its a higher level ship, but in Standard games with space battles, the Heavier the ship(armor, armanent, etc) , the Slower it went. So with the unbalancing level ladder, you had many problems with griefing.
*cough* theres a use for paladins, but most people do not play them correctly. Note: Your powers are best used for others, not yourself! Greedy!
Its a question of ergonomics. Lets start with how controllors are normally held. Note this is based off of most Standard controls, and not ones with silly design principles. The Left hand tends to support the weight, thumb on the stick or crosspad. The right hand usually has access to all the controls(they didnt change that, notice) And they are all arrange so that the thumb can ergonomically reach each of them - aside from shoulder buttons, which the index finger is usually setup to hit. Now lets imagine you were holding the right half(the one with all the buttons, incase someone wants to ask "But what if you are holding it in the left hand?" - the only benefit that Ill give this control design.) - Its like holding a remote control for your tv. All the buttons lined up up and down. Imagine in face paced games trying to reach all those buttons... Your thumb is going to get cramped. Just an observation about the last 15 years of controls....
If you want to play a game thats very close, play Space Empires IV - I played that first, than recently played Moo 1 and 2 - Its really close, borrowing a lot of the same concepts, and plays really nicely.
Probably agreements of non-competition that last 40 years. Im sure I named it wrong, so heres the description. A Contract saying you will not work for another company to produce video games. IE you cant quit and go to blizzard, because its in violation of that contract.
What do you expect from these people. They screwed up UO, they melt any game series they touch into useless fluids...
Ok, instead of a tyraid of info, Ill just post the best example to date.
They Had a good game once...it was a MMO Battletech game, with money and levels and cools mechs. It was going awesome, feedback was high, the game didnt suck... But then they shut it down - didnt even let people try out the cool mechs before they were gone forever.
Why? Because they thought Majestic would sell better. Anyone remember Majestic? The mystery game where people would call you up to give you clues?
I think it was a month later, they had taken Majestic offline and into CD format, and then it was promptly Bargain bin material.
And their business practices havnt changed ever since.