Wrong! But thanks for playing. I see you convinced the greater slashdot horde to give you a few mod points for your wrong answer, congrats. The correct answer is the code is copyrighted 2004-2007 Reyk Floeter 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis. This is a clear case of someone grabbing BSD code, stripping and replacing the license with the GPL, and submitting it as a patch to the mainline kernel.
Well, I dunno. How hard is it for a 3rd party developer to get access to the Linux or BSD kernels? I'd imagine if these systems had the same shitty security record Windows enjoys, you'd here a lot of bitching at them too.
Well no shock that you were modded flamebait. I mean you made a rational comment on an Apple article, WTF. Looks like I'll have to read comments at -1 yet again to get anything insightful out of this discussion, as is the case with just about every Apple related article. Truth is, if the guy had reported the bugs/vulnerabilities to Apple, they more than likely would have done what they always do, wait months to push a fix out or just deny their existence altogether.
No actually if you had read the link the other poster gave you, it affects 5 and 6. Now that I'm on Secunia I've got another link for ya. Total security advisories for IIS6 (3) http://secunia.com/product/1438. Impressive, but not nearly as perfect as you would like to think.
Looks like the next Novell has stepped up in line for obsoletion. Then again when was the last time anyone saw a Xandros server or workstation in production use, so does any of this really matter?
Guess you were too busy to read this. From DELL's site on the Ubuntu page.
"Not sure Open Source is for You?
The main thing to note is that when you choose open source you don't get a Windows® operating system. If you're here by mistake and you are looking for a Dell PC with Windows, please use the following link."
Ummm no. Nobody said "targeted at Linux users." Don't know where you got that BS from. Here are a few tips though.
1. --help? What the fuck is up with GNU and the ridiculous long options. Try reading the man pages which actually provide information on a BSD system as well as examples. By the way, every command, device, and config file has one on OpenBSD.
2. Korn shell is nearly a drop in replacement for bash and in some ways a damn sight nicer.
3. export PAGER=less. And you call yourself a command line user? For shame.
"Sorry, but when someone's called on you to explain seemingly-illegally-copied code, telling them to "go fuck themselves" is not a bloody option. Try that in the real world sometime, and see how fast an indictment for copyright infringement and the corresponding civil suit comes flying in."
I guess English is not your mother tongue. I damn well stated what I would have told the Linux developer in this situation. Personally I think he needed to put up or shut the fuck up. One, the use was under 5% and not even functional code so I'm going to assume that would be fairly easy to write off as fair use. Two, it was never distributed. If you're going to harass someone and claim copyright infringement you better be willing and able to prove it was distributed. Three, Marcus seems to have a damn good case for slander (which is all documented in the list archive) if he were so inclined to go that route.
It might be a good idea for you GPL fanboys to take a second, hop off the the RMS train, and use some fucking common sense for just a bit.
I'm so glad you decided to post on slashdot and tell everybody what you think. I'd like to tell you what _I_ think. You sir, are an asshole. Was your 15 minutes of fame worth accusing a fellow open source developer of theft, trashing their name, and killing of a truly free implementation of the driver in question? Personally I wish Marcus has told you to straight up go fuck yourself as that's what I would have done. Though I guess he's a better man than both of us.
*Not posting as AC. Mod me as you like but this sorry little fuck needed to be told.
With all due respect Bruce, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. To start with, lets get it straight. The GPL is a license that covers distribution. Now I don't personally know what kind of development you've been involved in but commiting to cvs is not and has never been distribution. It's called revision control. On top of that it was a few minor functions and variable names used as placeholders. The Linux code was never going to be distributed under a BSD license. To put it bluntly, the BSD folks don't want or need viral code polluting their systems. The mistake here was that the BSD developer should have considered the fact that technically, yes, someone with a bone to pick could see the CVS tree as distribution channel. He should have left the necessary attribution on the code for the time being.
Even at that, if the Linux developer had an issue, he should have sent a private email and requested an explanation of what exactly was going on. What he did was make a total ass of himself, and draw out every GPL zealot for 900 miles to attack a BSD developer for doing something that is quite frankly normal and happens daily.
And everyone has to take a shot at Theo right? Well let's see. Did Theo go a bit overboard? Yep. Doesn't he always? Yep. Was he totally justified? You're damn straight he was.
Meanwhile, McLaren told ZDNet Australia Opes had acquired Red Hat support subscriptions with the purchase of two servers from channel partner Dell. The hardware vendor then was responsible for providing Red Hat support to Opes.
I guess nobody reads the articles anymore, but appearently they weren't even RedHat customers. The ran RHEL but only by way of Dell. It would seem to me that if they wanted the best support maybe they should actually have tried paying RedHat for a frickin support contract. RedHat is a mighty generous company but they're not going to call you up out of the blue and offer you support just for the hell of it.
My personal opinion is that they are going from one bad support situation (DELL) to another (Oracle), but it's their business and they have every right to make dumbass decisions. As for people calling them out of the blue to tell them how retarded they are, I have to call bullshit. I don't think anybody knows or cares who these people are or what distro they run.
I'll start testing on Ubuntu Linux 64-bit. Vista is available as a 64-bit operating system, (although it also comes in 32-bit) and, should we look at Vista 64 in the future, we want to be able to compare apples-to-apples. However, I'll also test the 32-bit version of Ubuntu and compare not only the 32- and 64-bit versions of Ubuntu, but will also be able to compare my observations to a 32- and 64-bit Vista should the opportunity arise.
So let me get this straight. The author appears to have never run Vista 64 bit, but instead is making the assumption that Windows Vista 32bit==64bit so Ubuntu 32bit==64bit, therefore we jump straight to testing ubuntu 64bit and should anything not work, rather than testing Windows 64bit, we'll just compare to 32bit which we already know. Extremely convoluted way to claim that they're comparing apples/apples when really it's more like apples/potatoes.
And who exactly do you think those guys were? I'll give you a little hint. Most of the Legacy developers, as well as Fedora devs, are RedHat employees.
You would be wrong. If you check the last few updates fedora-legacy made to RedHat 7.2 and 7.3's glibc, the fix is already there. I work for a web host, where there are still quite a few of these old machines left kicking so yes I had to verify this.
Why not? Because they're ridiculously overpriced. To build out basically the same system I already have came to nearly $800. The onle I have (that I built myself), ~ $500 and we're not talking insane specs here.
Ratel Value Ratel Value $768.00 - Operating System Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) Linux - Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13 GHz FSB 1066 Mhz L2 2 MB - Memory 1 GB DDR2 667 MHz (2 x 512 MB) - Hard Drive 80 GB SATA II 300 Mbps - 7200 RPM 8MB Buffer - CD/DVD Drive CD-RW / DVD - Second CD/DVD Drive no second optical drive - Wireless no wireless option - Graphics 128 MB nVidia GeForce 6200LE PCI-Express x16 - LCD Monitor no monitor option - Speakers no speakers option - Floppy Drive Include Floppy Drive - Keyboard and Mouse no keyboard and mouse option - Portable Flash Drive no flash drive option - Hardware Warranty 1 Yr. Ltd. Warranty and Technical Support
Well Firefox 2 broke epiphany plus the Gnome help system. I guess they could have just force installed 3 but then you'd be right back here bitching about a broken system.
You'll have to set up public key login with no passphrase for the scp
to work without a password to the remote machine
And that's where you're semi-good idea goes terribly, terribly wrong. So what you're saying is you now want to give whoever stole your laptop a free pass to go grubbing around in your home network with no password? Brilliant.
No you're not the only one. I guess it's true that almost nobody reads the article on Slashdot. I loved hitting an article about the SuperBowl and then switching back to see 15 comments starting with "According to TFA..." Riiiight.
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Wrong! But thanks for playing. I see you convinced the greater slashdot horde to give you a few mod points for your wrong answer, congrats. The correct answer is the code is copyrighted 2004-2007 Reyk Floeter 2006-2007 Nick Kossifidis. This is a clear case of someone grabbing BSD code, stripping and replacing the license with the GPL, and submitting it as a patch to the mainline kernel.
I love playing penny stocks.
I'm not sure how you got modded insightful but SUSE Enterprise, which is what was used, defaults to GNOME. So it's GNOME vs. GNOME here.
What nimrod modded you up? What do you mean IF they find the guys that did this? It's their f^&*ing picture, ffs.
Well, I dunno. How hard is it for a 3rd party developer to get access to the Linux or BSD kernels? I'd imagine if these systems had the same shitty security record Windows enjoys, you'd here a lot of bitching at them too.
Well no shock that you were modded flamebait. I mean you made a rational comment on an Apple article, WTF. Looks like I'll have to read comments at -1 yet again to get anything insightful out of this discussion, as is the case with just about every Apple related article. Truth is, if the guy had reported the bugs/vulnerabilities to Apple, they more than likely would have done what they always do, wait months to push a fix out or just deny their existence altogether.
It clearly listed IIS5 and IIS6. I guess it's a bit hard for you to read with Bill's cock stuck all up in your face, but the point still stands.
No actually if you had read the link the other poster gave you, it affects 5 and 6. Now that I'm on Secunia I've got another link for ya. Total security advisories for IIS6 (3) http://secunia.com/product/1438. Impressive, but not nearly as perfect as you would like to think.
Looks like the next Novell has stepped up in line for obsoletion. Then again when was the last time anyone saw a Xandros server or workstation in production use, so does any of this really matter?
Guess you were too busy to read this. From DELL's site on the Ubuntu page.
"Not sure Open Source is for You?
The main thing to note is that when you choose open source you don't get a Windows® operating system. If you're here by mistake and you are looking for a Dell PC with Windows, please use the following link."
Ummm no. Nobody said "targeted at Linux users." Don't know where you got that BS from. Here are a few tips though.
1. --help? What the fuck is up with GNU and the ridiculous long options. Try reading the man pages which actually provide information on a BSD system as well as examples. By the way, every command, device, and config file has one on OpenBSD.
2. Korn shell is nearly a drop in replacement for bash and in some ways a damn sight nicer.
3. export PAGER=less. And you call yourself a command line user? For shame.
"Sorry, but when someone's called on you to explain seemingly-illegally-copied code, telling them to "go fuck themselves" is not a bloody option. Try that in the real world sometime, and see how fast an indictment for copyright infringement and the corresponding civil suit comes flying in."
I guess English is not your mother tongue. I damn well stated what I would have told the Linux developer in this situation. Personally I think he needed to put up or shut the fuck up. One, the use was under 5% and not even functional code so I'm going to assume that would be fairly easy to write off as fair use. Two, it was never distributed. If you're going to harass someone and claim copyright infringement you better be willing and able to prove it was distributed. Three, Marcus seems to have a damn good case for slander (which is all documented in the list archive) if he were so inclined to go that route.
It might be a good idea for you GPL fanboys to take a second, hop off the the RMS train, and use some fucking common sense for just a bit.
I'm so glad you decided to post on slashdot and tell everybody what you think. I'd like to tell you what _I_ think. You sir, are an asshole. Was your 15 minutes of fame worth accusing a fellow open source developer of theft, trashing their name, and killing of a truly free implementation of the driver in question? Personally I wish Marcus has told you to straight up go fuck yourself as that's what I would have done. Though I guess he's a better man than both of us.
*Not posting as AC. Mod me as you like but this sorry little fuck needed to be told.
With all due respect Bruce, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. To start with, lets get it straight. The GPL is a license that covers distribution. Now I don't personally know what kind of development you've been involved in but commiting to cvs is not and has never been distribution. It's called revision control. On top of that it was a few minor functions and variable names used as placeholders. The Linux code was never going to be distributed under a BSD license. To put it bluntly, the BSD folks don't want or need viral code polluting their systems. The mistake here was that the BSD developer should have considered the fact that technically, yes, someone with a bone to pick could see the CVS tree as distribution channel. He should have left the necessary attribution on the code for the time being.
Even at that, if the Linux developer had an issue, he should have sent a private email and requested an explanation of what exactly was going on. What he did was make a total ass of himself, and draw out every GPL zealot for 900 miles to attack a BSD developer for doing something that is quite frankly normal and happens daily.
And everyone has to take a shot at Theo right? Well let's see. Did Theo go a bit overboard? Yep. Doesn't he always? Yep. Was he totally justified? You're damn straight he was.
Meanwhile, McLaren told ZDNet Australia Opes had acquired Red Hat support subscriptions with the purchase of two servers from channel partner Dell. The hardware vendor then was responsible for providing Red Hat support to Opes.
I guess nobody reads the articles anymore, but appearently they weren't even RedHat customers. The ran RHEL but only by way of Dell. It would seem to me that if they wanted the best support maybe they should actually have tried paying RedHat for a frickin support contract. RedHat is a mighty generous company but they're not going to call you up out of the blue and offer you support just for the hell of it.
My personal opinion is that they are going from one bad support situation (DELL) to another (Oracle), but it's their business and they have every right to make dumbass decisions. As for people calling them out of the blue to tell them how retarded they are, I have to call bullshit. I don't think anybody knows or cares who these people are or what distro they run.
I'll start testing on Ubuntu Linux 64-bit. Vista is available as a 64-bit operating system, (although it also comes in 32-bit) and, should we look at Vista 64 in the future, we want to be able to compare apples-to-apples. However, I'll also test the 32-bit version of Ubuntu and compare not only the 32- and 64-bit versions of Ubuntu, but will also be able to compare my observations to a 32- and 64-bit Vista should the opportunity arise.
So let me get this straight. The author appears to have never run Vista 64 bit, but instead is making the assumption that Windows Vista 32bit==64bit so Ubuntu 32bit==64bit, therefore we jump straight to testing ubuntu 64bit and should anything not work, rather than testing Windows 64bit, we'll just compare to 32bit which we already know. Extremely convoluted way to claim that they're comparing apples/apples when really it's more like apples/potatoes.
There's a very good reason. RedHat 7.2,7.3 and 8 had the zoneinfo stuff in glibc. RedHat 9 and up have a split off package called tzdata.
And who exactly do you think those guys were? I'll give you a little hint. Most of the Legacy developers, as well as Fedora devs, are RedHat employees.
You would be wrong. If you check the last few updates fedora-legacy made to RedHat 7.2 and 7.3's glibc, the fix is already there. I work for a web host, where there are still quite a few of these old machines left kicking so yes I had to verify this.
Why not? Because they're ridiculously overpriced. To build out basically the same system I already have came to nearly $800. The onle I have (that I built myself), ~ $500 and we're not talking insane specs here.
Ratel Value Ratel Value $768.00
- Operating System Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) Linux
- Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13 GHz FSB 1066 Mhz L2 2 MB
- Memory 1 GB DDR2 667 MHz (2 x 512 MB)
- Hard Drive 80 GB SATA II 300 Mbps - 7200 RPM 8MB Buffer
- CD/DVD Drive CD-RW / DVD
- Second CD/DVD Drive no second optical drive
- Wireless no wireless option
- Graphics 128 MB nVidia GeForce 6200LE PCI-Express x16
- LCD Monitor no monitor option
- Speakers no speakers option
- Floppy Drive Include Floppy Drive
- Keyboard and Mouse no keyboard and mouse option
- Portable Flash Drive no flash drive option
- Hardware Warranty 1 Yr. Ltd. Warranty and Technical Support
Well Firefox 2 broke epiphany plus the Gnome help system. I guess they could have just force installed 3 but then you'd be right back here bitching about a broken system.
was Balmer sharpening up his chair.
You'll have to set up public key login with no passphrase for the scp to work without a password to the remote machine
And that's where you're semi-good idea goes terribly, terribly wrong. So what you're saying is you now want to give whoever stole your laptop a free pass to go grubbing around in your home network with no password? Brilliant.
Congratulations, you just reinvented rpm and yum.
No you're not the only one. I guess it's true that almost nobody reads the article on Slashdot. I loved hitting an article about the SuperBowl and then switching back to see 15 comments starting with "According to TFA..." Riiiight.