So, if you've never had a problem dealing with ATA errors, let me ask: How do you deal with errors on ATA write-behinds? Do you even know how the drive signals them? If so, how do you detect them and handle them? I know it can be done, but it's wedged into ATA rather poorly.
ATA error handling isn't reimplemented with a new physical layer. SATA (for example) just serializes the data that was already sent over ATA. It still has all the DRQ bit stuff. Error handling is actually in the physical layer in ATA, but since they made it appear in the command registers, it has to be implemented at higher layers now and is not subject to redesign with new physical layers.
As to ATA being leaner, did I forget to mention it has 2.5x as many read commands as SCSI? 3.3x as many mandatory ones?
I'm pretty confident that you can prevent unintended data corruption. TCP/IP manages it so there's your proof of concept:)
Did you read the article?
The article explains how AoE is much better because it's much cheaper because you don't need to calculate all those checksums like TCP/IP does. It says just rely on the link layer checksums (note - they aren't checksums, they are CRCs).
I agree you can manage unintended data corruption at higher layers. iSCSI does this. And it's pretty much my entire point. That you should do so and AoE doesn't.
This protocol seems to cheap out in ways that don't make sense.
ATA is not a perfectly fine protocol for block storage. It works, true. But it's far from optimal. Its methods of handling error signalling is poor. Its methods of handling delayed error signalling is very poor.
I think the idea of using ATA and all its cruft to save a couple pennies on a big-tyme storage system doesn't make sense to me. If I can buy an optical drive for $30 that has SCSI (ATAPI) in it, I think the benefits of SCSI can be affordably brought to a large storage system too.
The 80s came in with disco, had a huge dose of hard rock/heavy metal/glam metal/pop hard rock and turned to new wave and then past that to alternative & "college rock" (REM, U2, etc.) and a subcurrent of industrial and dance industrial.
I'm not as familiar with the 70s, as I was a lot younger then. But the early 70s had folk, the Beatles and the leftovers of the summer of love. The middle 70s moved to guitar rock and black R&B (Earth, Wind and Fire FTW) and then the later 70s were dominated by disco and other electronic stylings.
Even the 50s had the simultaneous popularity of crooners like Sinatra and rockers like Jerry Lee Lewis.
I think you just see the past as homogenous becuase you didn't live through it.
A wise man once told me there is a fine line between them.
ATA is a crappy protocol, even when local. It's only good for squeezing that last $0.03 out of the controller cost. Once you are using ethernet cables ($1) and links and PHYs on each end ($4 each), it makes a lot more sense to put some brains back in. Use SCSI. Heck, even ATAPI optical drives (the optical drive in your computer) uses ATAPI, which is SCSI in packetized ATA transfers.
Also, I'm a bit nervous about the packet CRC validation being done in the ethernet controller/layer itself. The problem is that if an ethernet switch between you and the storage device stores packs and forwards them (as all smart switches do), it may also chose to regenerate the CRC on the way. If it corrupts the packet internally and generates a new, valid CRC for the new, corrupt packet, you have undetected corruption. I'd be a bit nervous about that for my hard drive.
I do think using GigE is a smart way to attach hard drives to servers. I look at the back of an Apple XServe and see two GigE ports and a fibre channel card. Why can't one GigE port be used to attach to the network and one to the XServe RAID? Why do I need to get a multi hundred dollar card to attach to the XServe RAID when that GigE port is fast enough? It'd sure save a lot of cost, and hopefully reduce the price ot the end user.
Anyway. I'm pro GigE attachment, not sure I'm for this AoE.
NOR flash (like the BIOS chip in your PC) is good for 1M writes or more.
But NOR flash is low density. An 8MByte NOR flash is large.
The flash that is being integrated into these drives is NAND flash. NAND flash is the kind of flash you use in your digital camera. NAND flash is high density.
And it is crap.
SLC NAND flash is good for 100,000 writes. But SLC is on the way out because it's only half as dense as MLC NAND flash. MLC NAND flash is good for 10,000 writes.
Are you scared yet?
That's a statistical measure, so often cells last longer than 10,000 writes before crapping out. And systems that use NAND flash use ECC (error correction codes) and wear levelling to try to hide the flash wearing out. It's complex, but it does work pretty well.
But a coworker made a flash burner app to wear out some flash on purpose. It wrote constantly. He able to wear it out in a couple days. It didn't wear out the entire flash chip, but that's when the flash started to develop sectors that were unusably bad, even with ECC.
That is the biggest problem with E3 right now. It's full of gamers. The fact that the GP thought PAX would be the replacement for it shows how off track it is.
I know that sounds stupid, but hear me out.
The cost to the exhibitors (Sony, MS, EA, etc.) of putting on E3 is huge. They spend far too much money to piss it away on gamers who will only sway themselves and 2 friends. The show was originally envisioned to be attended by buyers and other high ups, whom if you convinced of buying/distributing your game would result in thousands of sales.
If an attendee is going to deliver 1,000 sales, you can afford to spend up to $50-$100 on them. If an attendee is going to deliver 2 sales, you can only afford to spend $0.10.
Companies are paying per sq/foot charges and booth construction and design charges more in line with the 1,000 sale attendee, but the show is full of 2 sale attendees.
You could see this with the Thursday this year where only conference ($1,000 fee) attendees could enter before noon. You could also see it with the prohibition of retail associates (Gamestop mall employees) from attending without special permission this year.
E3 probably needs to change to keep the riff raff out if it wishes to survive in its current form.
On the other hand, there is a void in shows for the actual gamer. These can be made to work, with the proper cost structure. I wouldn't be surprised to see the ESA (people who put on E3) create a gamers convention or at least associate themselves with one. These shows work well in Japan, and PAX is off to a good start in the US. Many of the larger exhibitors will likely welcome a show of this sort, whereas the people with under development games would rather have a true industry only press event/trade show.
E3 sure has changed a lot. The action truly did used to be in the back rooms. That's where you had to go to see Penn & Teller's Smoke and Mirrors back in the day.
That's 50 billion floating-point operations per second. If each Xeon is dual-core, it's 25 billion ops per core per second. If they're 4GHz processors, then it's 6.1 ops/cycle. I'm not sure how it achieves that. Even multiply-add fused instructions only do 2 ops per cycle.
Even before the iPod, Sony didn't make a large fraction of the "Walkmans" sold in the US anymore.
Very few demoliton saws sold are actually Sawzalls, or circular saws actual Skil saws.
I don't know why people keep drawing a connection here. A shorthand gets adopted, and that shorthand might be a companies' trademark. But I dunno if there is a real strong link there.
In theory, you want NUMA. In practice, having one memory bus means you have to have at least two DIMMs. Having two means four, four means eight. You could go with one DIMM per memory bus, but two one-DIMM busses have no more bandwidth than one two-DIMM bus, so why bother?
I can get two 1GB DDR DIMMs for $120. Getting 4 512MBs costs more, plus the cost of the sockets, and the space for the traces on the mobo.
I think all of this help underscore the original point, which is that perhaps the average user doesn't need gobs of cores. Adding that stuff increases the cost to them more than the value to them.
Yes, some say the point of the tail is the length. That with proper margins you can even make money off of small volume stuff.
But more people use long-tails to state that if people could buy off-brand and specialized products as easily as they can buy mainstream stuff, the off-brand stuff would gain a disproportionate boost in sales. That is, big brands have advantages due to inequal distribution in traditional channels.
Since iTunes is equal access, it should show off-brand stuff selling at higher rates than through other channels. If it doesn't (as is said here), then it would put a crimp in the acceptance of this part of the long-tail theory.
I don't really believe in this theory that much. I personally think that people buy stuff through familiarity (both from experience with brands and from advertising) much more than the proponents of the long-tail would suggest. For example, look at the success of fast food. None of it is particularly good, but it still sells, especially when you are buying something in a new market (which in the case of food is perhaps when you are on the road).
You're saying that in the summer you can cool your house in Sweden with nothing but solar panels.
Incredible!
Move to Lapland and you don't even need the solar panels.
I am a fan of heat pumps, for the efficiency reasons you mention, but measuring a cooling system by its performance at 59' N latitude is not doing much.
First, I wrote that article right after I posted to another forum, where people have a tendency to buy parts and then wait for deals on other parts to complete the system, instead of buying them both at once. I posted a warning to there that if you didn't already have a 939 in hand or ordered/shipped, don't buy a 939 mobo because AMD is killing the 939s. If you buy a 939 mobo today and expect to buy a 939 chip tomorrow, you might find yourself unable to find a 939 chip worth having (only the low-end 939s will remain). So I was partially warning about that.
Second, AM2 allows you to use DDR2. 939 only does DDR. DDR is over with now. All the CPU/chipset vendors support DDR2. DDR2 is faster and uses less power so consumers prefer it. DDR2 requires the RAM vendor to pay less in license fees, so they prefer it too. Put these two together and DDR will rapidly become a specialty item. So if you ever upgrade your RAM you will pay noticeable more for DDR than for DDR2. How much more? Well, I just can't say. It could be very little.
I do agree that upgrading CPUs is rare. There's rarely a point to it. I've done it before, but given how little motherboards cost now, I can't imagine I'd ever do it again.
High mobo prices really hurt the Athlon in the early early days.
But Intel hasn't even truly introed Core 2 Duo yet. When the chip is announced and available, prices will drop.
Right now, these mobos are all in short support, so of course the prices are high.
This point, although true, will be moot in under 6 weeks.
Also, I wouldn't buy a 939 mobo right now. AMD is killing off 939 rapidly. AM2 is a smarter idea. You can buy a 939 mobo on fire sale, but better get it quick or you might find yourself unable to get an X2 chip for it.
One of those really powerful supersoaker squirt guns, but a squirt gun nonetheless.
The segements don't appear to have enough space inside to pass a decent-sized hose, nor room for a valve to control that much water and as is pointed out in another thread, the force of the water leaving a decent size hose would move this thing out of position anyway.
It seemed like a good idea. Now I'm not so sure it's practical.
I don't agree that when someone overstays their visa the government should then "drop it" and just let them stay. What's the point of having dates on visas if they cannot be enforced?
In my opinion, if someone overstays their visa or if they violate the terms of their visa (which says in essence "don't be evil"), the government can deport them. If they wish to fight the deportation, that will slow the process down, and they will have to accept those consequences, as long as they are reasonable.
Not Joseph, and he was charged a six months ago. I'm not saying that holding him 3 years without charging him is okay, but I also find it odd that you can't even keep track of the state of your example when making a point relating to his treatment.
They signed a consent decree agreeing to do certain things. So they encode some of what they agreed to in their tenets for their employees to follow, in order to ensure they do what they said they would do.
And you have a problem with that?
There's nothing in that statement you quoted that indicates they arrived at all the tenets themselves.
These tenets are simply a tool for Microsoft to guide the development of Windows in a direction that they believe will maximize their profits, partially by minimizing fines. There's nothing wrong with that.
They sure make a lot of assumptions. Some a pretty obviously wrong, some a obviously right, most of them you just can't tell. You can't make broad assumptions because you can be sure that Moto pays a lot less for a battery than Palm does for example, but how much?
I don't see any reason the star actors of live action should be in the opening credits of televison shows.
In a way, I'm like Mr. Pink in his famous tipping speech. You say this person deserves a credit and this one doesn't? I don't see why any of them get a credit. If you're interested in who's on a show, we have the internet now. If you're not, let's just blast through to the actual show.
And I certainly don't need to know who the casting director (often an opening credit) is or the craft services (an end credit) was.
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No, SCSI doesn't have 1000x the cruft of ATA.
ATA has at least 3 ways of even specifying a block. CHS, LBA and LBA48. SCSI has 1.
ATA has 10 ways of reading data, not counting the ATAPI (SCSI) ways and the Compact Flash ways.
READ DMA
READ DMA EXT
READ DMA QUEUED
READ DMA QUEUED EXT
READ MULTIPLE
READ MULTIPLE EXT
READ SECTORS
READ SECTORS EXT
READ VERIFY SECTORS
READ VERIFY SECTORS EXT
SCSI has 4.
Which has more cruft here?
So, if you've never had a problem dealing with ATA errors, let me ask: How do you deal with errors on ATA write-behinds? Do you even know how the drive signals them? If so, how do you detect them and handle them? I know it can be done, but it's wedged into ATA rather poorly.
ATA error handling isn't reimplemented with a new physical layer. SATA (for example) just serializes the data that was already sent over ATA. It still has all the DRQ bit stuff. Error handling is actually in the physical layer in ATA, but since they made it appear in the command registers, it has to be implemented at higher layers now and is not subject to redesign with new physical layers.
As to ATA being leaner, did I forget to mention it has 2.5x as many read commands as SCSI? 3.3x as many mandatory ones?
I'm pretty confident that you can prevent unintended data corruption. TCP/IP manages it so there's your proof of concept :)
Did you read the article?
The article explains how AoE is much better because it's much cheaper because you don't need to calculate all those checksums like TCP/IP does. It says just rely on the link layer checksums (note - they aren't checksums, they are CRCs).
I agree you can manage unintended data corruption at higher layers. iSCSI does this. And it's pretty much my entire point. That you should do so and AoE doesn't.
This protocol seems to cheap out in ways that don't make sense.
ATA is not a perfectly fine protocol for block storage. It works, true. But it's far from optimal. Its methods of handling error signalling is poor. Its methods of handling delayed error signalling is very poor.
I think the idea of using ATA and all its cruft to save a couple pennies on a big-tyme storage system doesn't make sense to me. If I can buy an optical drive for $30 that has SCSI (ATAPI) in it, I think the benefits of SCSI can be affordably brought to a large storage system too.
80s? New wave, Synthpop.
The 80s came in with disco, had a huge dose of hard rock/heavy metal/glam metal/pop hard rock and turned to new wave and then past that to alternative & "college rock" (REM, U2, etc.) and a subcurrent of industrial and dance industrial.
I'm not as familiar with the 70s, as I was a lot younger then. But the early 70s had folk, the Beatles and the leftovers of the summer of love. The middle 70s moved to guitar rock and black R&B (Earth, Wind and Fire FTW) and then the later 70s were dominated by disco and other electronic stylings.
Even the 50s had the simultaneous popularity of crooners like Sinatra and rockers like Jerry Lee Lewis.
I think you just see the past as homogenous becuase you didn't live through it.
A wise man once told me there is a fine line between them.
ATA is a crappy protocol, even when local. It's only good for squeezing that last $0.03 out of the controller cost. Once you are using ethernet cables ($1) and links and PHYs on each end ($4 each), it makes a lot more sense to put some brains back in. Use SCSI. Heck, even ATAPI optical drives (the optical drive in your computer) uses ATAPI, which is SCSI in packetized ATA transfers.
Also, I'm a bit nervous about the packet CRC validation being done in the ethernet controller/layer itself. The problem is that if an ethernet switch between you and the storage device stores packs and forwards them (as all smart switches do), it may also chose to regenerate the CRC on the way. If it corrupts the packet internally and generates a new, valid CRC for the new, corrupt packet, you have undetected corruption. I'd be a bit nervous about that for my hard drive.
I do think using GigE is a smart way to attach hard drives to servers. I look at the back of an Apple XServe and see two GigE ports and a fibre channel card. Why can't one GigE port be used to attach to the network and one to the XServe RAID? Why do I need to get a multi hundred dollar card to attach to the XServe RAID when that GigE port is fast enough? It'd sure save a lot of cost, and hopefully reduce the price ot the end user.
Anyway. I'm pro GigE attachment, not sure I'm for this AoE.
NOR flash (like the BIOS chip in your PC) is good for 1M writes or more.
But NOR flash is low density. An 8MByte NOR flash is large.
The flash that is being integrated into these drives is NAND flash. NAND flash is the kind of flash you use in your digital camera. NAND flash is high density.
And it is crap.
SLC NAND flash is good for 100,000 writes. But SLC is on the way out because it's only half as dense as MLC NAND flash. MLC NAND flash is good for 10,000 writes.
Are you scared yet?
That's a statistical measure, so often cells last longer than 10,000 writes before crapping out. And systems that use NAND flash use ECC (error correction codes) and wear levelling to try to hide the flash wearing out. It's complex, but it does work pretty well.
But a coworker made a flash burner app to wear out some flash on purpose. It wrote constantly. He able to wear it out in a couple days. It didn't wear out the entire flash chip, but that's when the flash started to develop sectors that were unusably bad, even with ECC.
That is the biggest problem with E3 right now. It's full of gamers. The fact that the GP thought PAX would be the replacement for it shows how off track it is.
I know that sounds stupid, but hear me out.
The cost to the exhibitors (Sony, MS, EA, etc.) of putting on E3 is huge. They spend far too much money to piss it away on gamers who will only sway themselves and 2 friends. The show was originally envisioned to be attended by buyers and other high ups, whom if you convinced of buying/distributing your game would result in thousands of sales.
If an attendee is going to deliver 1,000 sales, you can afford to spend up to $50-$100 on them. If an attendee is going to deliver 2 sales, you can only afford to spend $0.10.
Companies are paying per sq/foot charges and booth construction and design charges more in line with the 1,000 sale attendee, but the show is full of 2 sale attendees.
You could see this with the Thursday this year where only conference ($1,000 fee) attendees could enter before noon. You could also see it with the prohibition of retail associates (Gamestop mall employees) from attending without special permission this year.
E3 probably needs to change to keep the riff raff out if it wishes to survive in its current form.
On the other hand, there is a void in shows for the actual gamer. These can be made to work, with the proper cost structure. I wouldn't be surprised to see the ESA (people who put on E3) create a gamers convention or at least associate themselves with one. These shows work well in Japan, and PAX is off to a good start in the US. Many of the larger exhibitors will likely welcome a show of this sort, whereas the people with under development games would rather have a true industry only press event/trade show.
E3 sure has changed a lot. The action truly did used to be in the back rooms. That's where you had to go to see Penn & Teller's Smoke and Mirrors back in the day.
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19,122 Xeons.
(1 * 10 ^ 15) / (2 * 10 ^ 4 ) = 5 * 10^10.
That's 50 billion floating-point operations per second. If each Xeon is dual-core, it's 25 billion ops per core per second. If they're 4GHz processors, then it's 6.1 ops/cycle. I'm not sure how it achieves that. Even multiply-add fused instructions only do 2 ops per cycle.
I still have to ask if this is achiveable.
It's crap. Everyone knows it's crap. It makes $30M.
As long as you keep watching/buying crap, they'll keep making more.
Be more choosy in what you see and they'll be a bit more careful in what they make.
Don't just go see a poor movie like Pirates of the Carribean 2 just because it's #1 and you can't think of anything else to see.
"Mom, I told you to TiVo Crank Yankers!"
But TiVo is in financial trouble.
Even before the iPod, Sony didn't make a large fraction of the "Walkmans" sold in the US anymore.
Very few demoliton saws sold are actually Sawzalls, or circular saws actual Skil saws.
I don't know why people keep drawing a connection here. A shorthand gets adopted, and that shorthand might be a companies' trademark. But I dunno if there is a real strong link there.
Someone else put it well. Your time is the currency in these games.
Some people however don't have the time to do all their own work, so they pay someone else to do it for them. It's no different than hiring a maid.
I don't understand quite why these people don't just quit if they find they don't have the time. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
In theory, you want NUMA. In practice, having one memory bus means you have to have at least two DIMMs. Having two means four, four means eight. You could go with one DIMM per memory bus, but two one-DIMM busses have no more bandwidth than one two-DIMM bus, so why bother?
I can get two 1GB DDR DIMMs for $120. Getting 4 512MBs costs more, plus the cost of the sockets, and the space for the traces on the mobo.
I think all of this help underscore the original point, which is that perhaps the average user doesn't need gobs of cores. Adding that stuff increases the cost to them more than the value to them.
Yes, some say the point of the tail is the length. That with proper margins you can even make money off of small volume stuff.
But more people use long-tails to state that if people could buy off-brand and specialized products as easily as they can buy mainstream stuff, the off-brand stuff would gain a disproportionate boost in sales. That is, big brands have advantages due to inequal distribution in traditional channels.
Since iTunes is equal access, it should show off-brand stuff selling at higher rates than through other channels. If it doesn't (as is said here), then it would put a crimp in the acceptance of this part of the long-tail theory.
I don't really believe in this theory that much. I personally think that people buy stuff through familiarity (both from experience with brands and from advertising) much more than the proponents of the long-tail would suggest. For example, look at the success of fast food. None of it is particularly good, but it still sells, especially when you are buying something in a new market (which in the case of food is perhaps when you are on the road).
Look up the meaning of "and" someday.
If it becomes available in two days, then it isn't really announced and available, is it?
You're saying that in the summer you can cool your house in Sweden with nothing but solar panels.
Incredible!
Move to Lapland and you don't even need the solar panels.
I am a fan of heat pumps, for the efficiency reasons you mention, but measuring a cooling system by its performance at 59' N latitude is not doing much.
I stopped reading it 1/3rd the way down becuase of the level of technical bullshit, plus the huge amount of unwarranted editoralizing.
It looks like I'm done with the Register. It's hard to believe at one time they actually had real info on their site.
First, I wrote that article right after I posted to another forum, where people have a tendency to buy parts and then wait for deals on other parts to complete the system, instead of buying them both at once. I posted a warning to there that if you didn't already have a 939 in hand or ordered/shipped, don't buy a 939 mobo because AMD is killing the 939s. If you buy a 939 mobo today and expect to buy a 939 chip tomorrow, you might find yourself unable to find a 939 chip worth having (only the low-end 939s will remain). So I was partially warning about that.
Second, AM2 allows you to use DDR2. 939 only does DDR. DDR is over with now. All the CPU/chipset vendors support DDR2. DDR2 is faster and uses less power so consumers prefer it. DDR2 requires the RAM vendor to pay less in license fees, so they prefer it too. Put these two together and DDR will rapidly become a specialty item. So if you ever upgrade your RAM you will pay noticeable more for DDR than for DDR2. How much more? Well, I just can't say. It could be very little.
I do agree that upgrading CPUs is rare. There's rarely a point to it. I've done it before, but given how little motherboards cost now, I can't imagine I'd ever do it again.
High mobo prices really hurt the Athlon in the early early days.
But Intel hasn't even truly introed Core 2 Duo yet. When the chip is announced and available, prices will drop.
Right now, these mobos are all in short support, so of course the prices are high.
This point, although true, will be moot in under 6 weeks.
Also, I wouldn't buy a 939 mobo right now. AMD is killing off 939 rapidly. AM2 is a smarter idea. You can buy a 939 mobo on fire sale, but better get it quick or you might find yourself unable to get an X2 chip for it.
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One of those really powerful supersoaker squirt guns, but a squirt gun nonetheless.
The segements don't appear to have enough space inside to pass a decent-sized hose, nor room for a valve to control that much water and as is pointed out in another thread, the force of the water leaving a decent size hose would move this thing out of position anyway.
It seemed like a good idea. Now I'm not so sure it's practical.
I don't agree that when someone overstays their visa the government should then "drop it" and just let them stay. What's the point of having dates on visas if they cannot be enforced?
In my opinion, if someone overstays their visa or if they violate the terms of their visa (which says in essence "don't be evil"), the government can deport them. If they wish to fight the deportation, that will slow the process down, and they will have to accept those consequences, as long as they are reasonable.
Not Joseph, and he was charged a six months ago. I'm not saying that holding him 3 years without charging him is okay, but I also find it odd that you can't even keep track of the state of your example when making a point relating to his treatment.
They signed a consent decree agreeing to do certain things. So they encode some of what they agreed to in their tenets for their employees to follow, in order to ensure they do what they said they would do.
And you have a problem with that?
There's nothing in that statement you quoted that indicates they arrived at all the tenets themselves.
These tenets are simply a tool for Microsoft to guide the development of Windows in a direction that they believe will maximize their profits, partially by minimizing fines. There's nothing wrong with that.
They sure make a lot of assumptions. Some a pretty obviously wrong, some a obviously right, most of them you just can't tell. You can't make broad assumptions because you can be sure that Moto pays a lot less for a battery than Palm does for example, but how much?
If my controller dies during play, I cannot use a 2nd controller while that one charges off the Xbox 360.
I can adapt all I want and that can't be made to work.
It's not the end of the world, but it's a serious problem.
I'll go the other way.
I don't see any reason the star actors of live action should be in the opening credits of televison shows.
In a way, I'm like Mr. Pink in his famous tipping speech. You say this person deserves a credit and this one doesn't? I don't see why any of them get a credit. If you're interested in who's on a show, we have the internet now. If you're not, let's just blast through to the actual show.
And I certainly don't need to know who the casting director (often an opening credit) is or the craft services (an end credit) was.
The BluRay players out there right now can play dual-layer discs.
You're just making stuff up. And when that doesn't stick, you make up new stuff.
I agree that the PS3 price will not drop by the end of the year.