You are very correct in your analysis, however the point still stands: should hate speech be protected in the *same* ways other kinds of speech are? (e.g. in public places, etc.)
I find it funny that the sort of people who scream bloody murder when their consitutional rights are not respected wrt unjust imprisonment/surveillance are silent when it comes to their rights wrt to free speech/right to bear arms. But they'd probably find it OK if mass surveillance were enacted in order to curb tax evasion... which is exactly what the communist party is doing right now in my country (OMG won't somebody think of the cronically lazy^W^Wunemployed!).
Allow this kind of thing to continue unpunished and you'll end like me - not even free to receive payments in the way I like, because the gov't needs to be able to check on every financial movement (for my protection of course): no more cash transactions Mr. Self-Employed, it'd be too easy to evade tax! You must have a bank account, which we will tax you for having, and be ready to come up with your papers in good order.
OK that was totally a rant. Please forgive me.
Eh, not *everyone* in Europe agrees with such laws. Even though I have to admit that most people do. Ah well, eventually when we realize we are living under a dictatorship I'll have the dubious pleasure to tell everyone "I told you so".
so why don't YOU buy notebooks and give them to poor children? because that would be spending your own money, apparently (which is way bad).
try living in a socialist country like mine before spewing bullshit, thanks
Black-clad men entered my house through the windows and shot my Mac and blew my Linux servers with C4 but they did NOT find my NetBSD-enabled toaster! MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
So basically you have such a low self-esteem and such a frail image in front of your peers that a loony parading with a sign is enough to make you run crying to Granny Gov't? Holy crap people like you make me sick.
Oops did I just make you cry? I'm sorry. NOT.
Actually, no I wouldn't. Some people spew bullshit about me, for example where I work, but somehow I don't feel the need to run crying to mommy. Assholes who like this kind of law simply need to grow a pair and face life. But I suppose you also like to be reminded, at McD's, not to drink your coffee because OMG it's hot?! Figures.
And why do you make it sound like a bad thing? I for one would LOVE it if the EU gov't incinerated itself or at least stopped regulating my whole life. First my gov't told me what level of RAID I must be running in my own f'ing company, then the Eu gov't comes and tells me what program I must use? Well fuck that, I'll do as I like. They can come and get me if they want... the weapons that I am NOT allowed to buy will protect me...
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of idiocy that's leading Europe to its fall. In case you haven't noticed, yes, you ARE LESS FREE because of this, much less. But I suppose that's all right with you. Well, not with me, you *sheep*.
Mobs are more than happy to let themselves be manipulated. Then they can give free reign to all that's socially unacceptable but that they really feel like doing, because the responsibility does not lie on them any more. See, they are being *pulled*. Recently, it looks like people are too tired to even switch their brain on, so they fall back into mob mode very quickly indeed.
I've had enough with the "I'm being manipulaaaaaated!!11" excuse. Grow a fucking spine and admit that you do what *you* want to do.
The situation can be summed up in a simple sentence, "competition goes both ways". Funny how people love it when they're on the demand side (down with monopolies!) but hate it when they're on the supply side (go, unions! w00t! protect my market slice with regulation-enforced high prices^Wwages).
Also funny how the same can be applied to freedom. Free to do as you like, as far as I am willing to let you!
You gotta love the hypocracy.
Yet, those who are supposed to welcome this kind of change in societies are the ones that cry against globalization, spray-paint "No Logo" on my house's walls and set things on fire everytime they organize some kind of march.
I suspect thay care more about their own frustrations than their comrades' well-being.
an eastern European form of government from the mid 20th century. Look up fascism
It looks like *you* need to look fascism up, since when has Italy been in Eastern Europe? Perhaps you were thinking of communism? I realize they are very easy to get mixed up but please get some basic facts straight.
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You are very correct in your analysis, however the point still stands: should hate speech be protected in the *same* ways other kinds of speech are? (e.g. in public places, etc.)
I find it funny that the sort of people who scream bloody murder when their consitutional rights are not respected wrt unjust imprisonment/surveillance are silent when it comes to their rights wrt to free speech/right to bear arms. But they'd probably find it OK if mass surveillance were enacted in order to curb tax evasion... which is exactly what the communist party is doing right now in my country (OMG won't somebody think of the cronically lazy^W^Wunemployed!).
Allow this kind of thing to continue unpunished and you'll end like me - not even free to receive payments in the way I like, because the gov't needs to be able to check on every financial movement (for my protection of course): no more cash transactions Mr. Self-Employed, it'd be too easy to evade tax! You must have a bank account, which we will tax you for having, and be ready to come up with your papers in good order.
OK that was totally a rant. Please forgive me.
So, all countries based on civil law are "not so free" countries?
Eh, not *everyone* in Europe agrees with such laws. Even though I have to admit that most people do. Ah well, eventually when we realize we are living under a dictatorship I'll have the dubious pleasure to tell everyone "I told you so".
Wow, a 100% correct statement supporting people's freedom, yet Soviet Slashdot hasn't modded you down yet? How long will you last?
so why don't YOU buy notebooks and give them to poor children? because that would be spending your own money, apparently (which is way bad).
try living in a socialist country like mine before spewing bullshit, thanks
Black-clad men entered my house through the windows and shot my Mac and blew my Linux servers with C4 but they did NOT find my NetBSD-enabled toaster! MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
So, basically you DO need people to remind you that hot coffee is, indeed, hot.
It's so tragic it's not even funny.
So basically you have such a low self-esteem and such a frail image in front of your peers that a loony parading with a sign is enough to make you run crying to Granny Gov't? Holy crap people like you make me sick.
Oops did I just make you cry? I'm sorry. NOT.
Actually, no I wouldn't. Some people spew bullshit about me, for example where I work, but somehow I don't feel the need to run crying to mommy. Assholes who like this kind of law simply need to grow a pair and face life. But I suppose you also like to be reminded, at McD's, not to drink your coffee because OMG it's hot?! Figures.
Suit yourself! Like I care about an anonimous idiot posting BS about me on random places on the web... and more importantly, like *other people* care.
DOH I will be hiding in shame for not knowing this! Well at least they chose a good name this time :)
Since when has .NET been available by default on the Mac?
.NET working out of the box since Win XP.
who cares
on Linux?
since recent GNOME releases
on BSD?
no idea
Even on Windows I don't think it's installed by default.
what you think does not matter, *reality* matters =
Kinda like .NET?
Woah, wildly speculative, I really *really* like the name "Windows Vienna" though.
Seems some censorship is more permissable than others
Captain obvious to the rescue...
Eh, "encrypt your data and secure your communication" is a better strategy than that.
almost ideologically against state intervention
And why do you make it sound like a bad thing? I for one would LOVE it if the EU gov't incinerated itself or at least stopped regulating my whole life. First my gov't told me what level of RAID I must be running in my own f'ing company, then the Eu gov't comes and tells me what program I must use? Well fuck that, I'll do as I like. They can come and get me if they want... the weapons that I am NOT allowed to buy will protect me...
I never felt more like a sheep than I did as a liberal on /.
I never felt more like a sheep than I did as a liberal.
There, fixed it for you.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of idiocy that's leading Europe to its fall.
In case you haven't noticed, yes, you ARE LESS FREE because of this, much less. But I suppose that's all right with you. Well, not with me, you *sheep*.
Mobs are more than happy to let themselves be manipulated. Then they can give free reign to all that's socially unacceptable but that they really feel like doing, because the responsibility does not lie on them any more. See, they are being *pulled*. Recently, it looks like people are too tired to even switch their brain on, so they fall back into mob mode very quickly indeed.
I've had enough with the "I'm being manipulaaaaaated!!11" excuse. Grow a fucking spine and admit that you do what *you* want to do.
The situation can be summed up in a simple sentence, "competition goes both ways". Funny how people love it when they're on the demand side (down with monopolies!) but hate it when they're on the supply side (go, unions! w00t! protect my market slice with regulation-enforced high prices^Wwages).
Also funny how the same can be applied to freedom. Free to do as you like, as far as I am willing to let you!
You gotta love the hypocracy.
Yet, those who are supposed to welcome this kind of change in societies are the ones that cry against globalization, spray-paint "No Logo" on my house's walls and set things on fire everytime they organize some kind of march.
I suspect thay care more about their own frustrations than their comrades' well-being.
Holy crap this is a great post. Pretty tough, but totally right.
Someday, someone will have to explain to me how A and NOT A can be both true at the same time.
an eastern European form of government from the mid 20th century. Look up fascism
It looks like *you* need to look fascism up, since when has Italy been in Eastern Europe? Perhaps you were thinking of communism? I realize they are very easy to get mixed up but please get some basic facts straight.